RE: [WISPA] Well, it was time to stir the pot for the new year...

2007-01-05 Thread Patrick Leary
Well that was worth staying up to read! Man, thanks Matt. ...and Mark, you might be surprised that I am harder and more pushy on our PMs about features WISPs like you want than I ever am here on WISPs that do things your way. Pressure achieves the best result when applied to both sides. Patrick

RE: [WISPA] churn, double play and why WLP is key - I finally understand it

2007-01-05 Thread Patrick Leary
With all due respect David, VL does not crumble in the face of interference and the notion of that is silly with any objective reasoning. For example, Alvarion sell thousands of VL units into North America every quarter. Either the VL is only sold to markets that are interference free OR VL can rel

Re: [WISPA] Well, it was time to stir the pot for the new year...

2007-01-05 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Well, lets really spice it up thenI'm going to stir the pot in this direction for this post Alvarion has done a great job of producing a product that does an excellent job delivering value to their customers and has several unique features that will keep it on a different level above w

Re: [WISPA] Solar power

2007-01-05 Thread Mark Nash - Lists
David... Any news on this potential sub-$1k solar system? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "David Weddell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Se

Re: [WISPA] Quick-Connect PoE at CPE

2007-01-05 Thread Mark Nash - Lists
Used one of these quick-connect pigtails today on a Tranzeo installation. Had to bore the hole out on the waterproof boot to 7/8" (I expected this), and it worked like a charm. A nice, unexpected bonus is that the cable on this pigtail is less stiff than the outdoor cable I use, so it bends, st

Re: [WISPA] churn, double play and why WLP is key - I finally understand it

2007-01-05 Thread David Sovereen
How many VoIP calls does BreezeACCESS VL support at MOS ~ 4.0 in a noisy environment, such as when SNR is <= 10? How about <= 3? Yes, I already know the answer to these. Maybe it was unfair for me to ask. The issue that you conveniently side-step is that service providers operating in unlice

[WISPA] OT - interesting graphical test data on VoIP performance across VL

2007-01-05 Thread Patrick Leary
I have assembled a pdf that includes a mass of graphical info I just received from some of our engineers on the VL's VoIP and pps ability. Some slides show delay, jitter, MOS performance. Some of the testing was done by a national CLEC. Being engineers, they have just been sitting on this stuff; I

[WISPA] Well, it was time to stir the pot for the new year...

2007-01-05 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
- Original Message - From: "Patrick Leary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 12:52 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients... > When a market knows it must contend with fraudulent product AND that a > good percentage of

RE: [WISPA] Brad B, I got your answer on the pinout for BreezeACCESS VL

2007-01-05 Thread Patrick Leary
Frankly I'm not sure I actually buy the reason, but that's what I've been told. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReg

RE: [WISPA] churn, double play and why WLP is key - I finally understand it

2007-01-05 Thread Patrick Leary
I don't think so Gino, but I'm open to be proven wrong. Tell me who else can actually prioritize over the air sector wide. I'm talking about not just pushing out the voice first on any given CPE, I'm talking about ALL the CPE on a sector being able to send its que'd voice out before any CPE can rel

RE: [WISPA] Brad B, I got your answer on the pinout for BreezeACCESS VL

2007-01-05 Thread Brad Belton
Hello Patrick, Thanks for the explanation, however I'm not sure how simply reversing the pin-outs will improve cross talk. The Alvarion VL Manual doesn't specify the function of each Pin/Wire color. I assume Green & Orange pairs are still used for Data and the Blue & Brown pairs are used for po

Re: [WISPA] churn, double play and why WLP is key - I finally understand it

2007-01-05 Thread Dylan Oliver
and the grand prize goes to... ? On 1/5/07, Gino A. Villarini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Patrick, not to rain on you parade but you guys area actually 2nd on this RF prioritization feature Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.27

Re: [WISPA] Brad B, I got your answer on the pinout for BreezeACCESS VL

2007-01-05 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
You qualify as "young whippersnapper" to me :) heheheheheheh +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net - Original M

Re: [WISPA] Brad B, I got your answer on the pinout for BreezeACCESS VL

2007-01-05 Thread Tom DeReggi
Patrick, That is good to know, that there was actually technical merit, "brains", behind the decission to do it Alvarion's way. I think whats more important from this is that anyone installing VL, and needing to extend the cable longer than the cable included with the unit, probably then also

RE: [WISPA] Brad B, I got your answer on the pinout for BreezeACCESSVL

2007-01-05 Thread Forbes Mercy
How did you know that??!!Nah my daughter (21) wasn't thrilled at all so I had to go back to women within my decade or two. Anyone who gets up to my age finds in a hurry that the only thing that really got old was your body, your mind is still in fluid denial. Hey if people in our indu

Re: [WISPA] Brad B, I got your answer on the pinout for BreezeACCESSVL

2007-01-05 Thread Jeffrey Thomas
But you still date 24 year olds ;) - Jeff On 1/5/07 3:29 PM, "Forbes Mercy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > H I'm 48 - gawd I just looked at that in print and it is WAY too old for > me. > > Forbes Mercy > Washington Broadband, Inc. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECT

RE: [WISPA] churn, double play and why WLP is key - I finally understand it

2007-01-05 Thread Gino A. Villarini
Patrick, not to rain on you parade but you guys area actually 2nd on this RF prioritization feature Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf

RE: [WISPA] Brad B, I got your answer on the pinout for BreezeACCESSVL

2007-01-05 Thread Forbes Mercy
H I'm 48 - gawd I just looked at that in print and it is WAY too old for me. Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 2:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE:

RE: [WISPA] Brad B, I got your answer on the pinout for BreezeACCESSVL

2007-01-05 Thread Mike Delp
That is the answer 42. Most people don’t get it. (unless you have seen the movie or read the book. Sometimes on of the techs ask me a question, and I answer "42" they don't get it, and I just snicker to myself. Thanks Butch! Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMA

RE: [WISPA] Brad B, I got your answer on the pinout for BreezeACCESS VL

2007-01-05 Thread Butch Evans
On Fri, 5 Jan 2007, Patrick Leary wrote: Sigh. I guess at 42 I qualify for "old man" to some of you whipper-snappers! 42 is NOT OLD! 42 is the meaning to life, the universe and everything! (and you're right there in it!) -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-28

RE: [WISPA] Brad B, I got your answer on the pinout for BreezeACCESS VL

2007-01-05 Thread Patrick Leary
Sigh. I guess at 42 I qualify for "old man" to some of you whipper-snappers! Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JohnnyO Sent:

RE: [WISPA] Brad B, I got your answer on the pinout for BreezeACCESS VL

2007-01-05 Thread JohnnyO
Damn Patrick - you've been on the ball ! Bout time the old man gets movin ! :) JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 2:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Brad B, I got your answer o

[WISPA] Brad B, I got your answer on the pinout for BreezeACCESS VL

2007-01-05 Thread Patrick Leary
So Brad, I finally have the answer as to why we do not use the standard 568B (or 568A for that matter) pinot. We can't. The VL PoE pushes 55 volts and ½ an amp up the cat 5 cable. If the standard pinout is used the cable range due to cross talk can't make it much past 30 feet. With this pinout w

[WISPA] churn, double play and why WLP is key - I finally understand it

2007-01-05 Thread Patrick Leary
...So I'm here at our annual national meeting and our project manager is explaining the Wireless Link Prioritization feature available for BreezeACCESS VL. Frankly, it has always seemed esoteric to those of us non-technical types, but now I got and it is simple enough. First, I learned the statist

[WISPA] Looking for Cisco Pix

2007-01-05 Thread Cliff Leboeuf
I am looking for a few Cisco products. I will need one of each... - pix-515e-ur-bun - pix-506e-bun-k9 - pix-501-bun-k9 - probably smartnet on each Before I order, I wanted to see if anyone may have one available, new or used. If so, please contact me off-list with the details. Cliff LeBoeuf www.

Re: [WISPA] Radius accounting vs IPflow accounting?

2007-01-05 Thread Butch Evans
On Fri, 5 Jan 2007, David E. Smith wrote: RADIUS accounting will usually lag a bit further behind, and is arguably more prone to losing data. If that one little tiny UDP is prone to the possibility of losing data, but by setting the accounting backup, you don't lose much. If you set your acc

Re: [WISPA] Radius accounting vs IPflow accounting?

2007-01-05 Thread Butch Evans
On Thu, 4 Jan 2007, rabbtux rabbtux wrote: I am designing the migration of my network to a MT hotspot solution for fixed wireless subs. It appears there are two ways to account for customer bandwidth usage, radius accounting or use IPflow data from MT routers and a an application like IPTrack

[WISPA] Possible Client(s) outside Steamboat Springs, CO. & St David, AZ

2007-01-05 Thread Ryan Spott
No one provides services to this address? I have another one, in another state: 1605 S Saint Mary's Way St David, AZ 31.877758,-110.211368 and/or :) 37735 County Road 179, Steamboat Springs, CO 80487 40.465364,-106.994648 Let me know if you service this area. These folks are about to make t

Re: [WISPA] Radius accounting vs IPflow accounting?

2007-01-05 Thread David E. Smith
rabbtux rabbtux wrote: > I am designing the migration of my network to a MT hotspot solution > for fixed wireless subs. It appears there are two ways to account for > customer bandwidth usage, radius accounting or use IPflow data from MT > routers and a an application like IPTrack to do the accoun

Re: [WISPA] Bad Storm in Nebraska

2007-01-05 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
From the looks of some of the poles that were laying on the ground I'm not at all surprised a lot of them failed! Looks like blind luck was about al that was holding them up already. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)

RE: [WISPA] Bad Storm in Nebraska

2007-01-05 Thread Mac Dearman
Marlon, That's a loaded question asking Matt if he needs help! You know he needs mental help as bad as a cat in a tiled room needs a sand box. On the other hand - those ice storms are a killer. Its unreal the damage the do as well as the amount of time and money it takes to get everything back u

Re: [WISPA] Bad Storm in Nebraska

2007-01-05 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
wowsers! Do you need anything? Any help etc? Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wir

RE: [WISPA] Cars: The New WiFi Hotspots?

2007-01-05 Thread Ralph
It is pebble linux on the embedded board. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 10:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cars: The New WiFi Hotspots? I was thinking of doing some remote

[WISPA] ignore - testing server anti-spam

2007-01-05 Thread Carl A jeptha
-- You have a good day now,en mag jou more's ook so wees. Carl A Jeptha http://www.jeptha.com 905-349-2027 skype cajeptha -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/

RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz and snow and Pacwireless Yagi's.

2007-01-05 Thread Ralph
Anything on an antenna element will change the antenna's resonance. This translates to different (usually poorer) performance. Translated to the old CB lingo of the 70' "Yore SWRs are too high" ;-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark

RE: [WISPA] Anyone using Power Noc

2007-01-05 Thread Rick Harnish
I know Steve Narducci at NDWAVE uses it. I doubt if he belongs to this list. Contact me off list if you want his contact information. Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[

Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz and snow and Pacwireless Yagi's.

2007-01-05 Thread Mario Pommier
Mark Koskenmaki wrote: I have one 900 mhz ap and one client. When I first set up this client, we were decidedly NOT LOS and it goes through a few pine and fir trees. I"m not sure that is only what is in the way.Possibly a bit of dirt, too.For some reason, I appear to have HUGE changes i