We have the ring configuration with licensed links running OSPF
without backups on the individual links. We spec our links to be as
close to 99.999% at full modulation as possible. We continue to try
to create loops in the network. For example, if you have a high-end
commercial customer, sell
Marlon,
Here's the simplest how-to for radio mobile that i know of
http://www.dslreports.com/faq/14302
Ed
On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 21:20:08 -0800
Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote:
Um, can I pick a location, input some information about my antenna at that
area and create a
Marlon,
Honestly, based on the questions you are asking, I think you may be in
over your head on this project. You may want to seek some help from
someone that has actually done this type of work and knows what they
are doing.
Travis
Microserv
Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
Thanks.
Do you
I'll echo what Tom has said.
I was successful in working with municipalities when was I was able to
show benefit to them. Your constituents don't just want this they need
this. Ask a number of folks who actually want the service to attend the
board meeting for support. They heard loud and
OSPF is how you manage load sharing and load balancing.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:36 AM
To: WISPA General List
I liked the idea of running a bridged backhaul. Is that not practical for
this?
I'm hoping to have much lower latency and administrative overhead (less
routes to try and keep track of).
thanks,
marlon
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From: can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net
To:
Grin. You could well be right. I'm certainly into some new ground here.
I'm interested in people's opinions and what they've done (if anyone has of
yet) in the past.
I can learn and figure this out. It's interesting to me too.
But if you know of someone that is available for hire I may be
A little difficult to do load balancing on a bridge. No way to
determine where the traffic goes. You still have to manage STP
(Spanning Tree Protocol) to some degree to make sure you don't get loops.
You don't have to administer routes after initial setup with OSPF. That
is the point, OSPF
Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
Certainly Jack. I don't know anyone that's built something like this already
though.
And, it's really not that far off from what we already do. It's just bigger
and faster.
I've not used the hardware needed for this system so I'm mostly interested in
what
Right. I get that part. But I've never used it out here so I don't know if
it's a routing function or a bridging function like spanning tree. I'm
trying to figure out what hardware would be best deployed at the tower
sites.
Part of what I'm trying to do is get a grip on long term costs. If
You will need routing.
Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
Right. I get that part. But I've never used it out here so I don't know if
it's a routing function or a bridging function like spanning tree. I'm
trying to figure out what hardware would be best deployed at the tower
sites.
Part of
You can buy a hardenend L3 Switch that would perform OSPF
Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145
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Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Butch does a lot of work for me already. I'll touch base with him.
Do you see anything here that you'd be a good resource for?
laters,
marlon
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From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 8:11 AM
Mikrotik makes pretty good gear. Depending on traffic, I'd put an RB493AH
in there. Should be able to do anything you needed to do without great
concern for the weather.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
For 3.65 I'd say you need to look at Aperto and Redline... they seem to be
the market leaders. My preference is for Aperto though (and not just
because we resell it :-)
The only Mobile 4.9GHz systems that I know of are Mesh based. Motorola's
MotoMesh with the MEA architecture is probably what
RB493 limits ports to 100 fdx, If he is going licensed, theradios might
be upgraded in the future to higher speeds...
I would go RB1000
Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145
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From:
I saw the same results a month ago when I bought a few of the EOC-2610.
Make sure you're using the latest firmware.
http://www.engeniustech.com/datacom/products/resources.aspx?cat=7ID=246
That problem went away after I flashed them, and they work great.
Pat
Blair Davis wrote:
Some
Might look at Solectek, they have both 3.65 and 4.9 multipoint
solutions. However, why not wait to see what happens with TVWS. Seems
that band would be outstanding for mobile use.
Since it's your network, you could assign each agency it's own SSID/VLAN
which route across your network to the
Marlon,
I can assist with any of the unlicensed (2.4, 5.8) or light-licensed
(3.65) or 4.9 RF design work. Since you will be carrying public safety
traffic, I'd go licensed on the backbone with 5.8 GHz backup as Travis
and Brian suggest. For those full-licensed links I'd suggest contacting
Then perhaps depending on port count required, the RB450 supports Gigabit,
though I don't know what it's throughput is capable of.
I'm not sure on the RB1000's outdoor ability. I'm not saying it's no good,
I just don't know.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
We've seen a drop in signal on all of our connections off of one AP.
In the beginning, connections were at -70(ish) for all CPEs. Now they're at
-85(ish) and not really usable.
We've replaced several boards radio cards ($250 a pop for one of these
radios), both at the AP and at the client
We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months, whereas prior to that
we don't recall a problem. They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195 jumpers from Hyperlink.
Anyone else have a problem?
Any recommendations on best source for them?
We normally only use them on backhauls APs, so when
I have used custom made ones from Tessco as well as the pre mades ones from
Wisp Router and other places. The last few years I have not had any
problems though it may have been due to the fact we put so much coax seal
around them. Do you seal it with coax seal (or comparable material)?
Josh
I'll tell you what my perfect tower site router would be for this. PC
based, runs on 12vdc (so we can run everything from car batteries) and has
gigE ethernet ports by the gross. Then we can route or bridge as needed
based on the requirements of the distribution radio that's plugged into it.
One AP with one radio or multiple radios in the same AP?
First thought is a wet connector to tha antenna
__
Jerry Richardson
airCloud Communications
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf
One AP with one radio.
We've gone through the moisture issue. Originally, Ubiquiti thought that
the radios were taking in too much static and we needed to DC-ground each
piece of equipment. We did that, bought new radios, but still couldn't get
back to our original signal levels.
How about
The way we have it set up is that each agency - city, county fire,
sheriff has it's own SSID on the radio that is assigned to a unique
VLAN.
The radio handles the VLAN tagging and forwards it either out the
Ethernet port or the backhaul radio (if it's a dual radio). We have 11
SSID/VLAN
That's what the MotoMesh gear is for... the MEA architecture (developed for
the military to connector tanks with helicopters) allows the cop car to be
traveling at 150MPH and for it to still work. Plus to modems you install in
the cars can mesh with the ones in other cars... so if one car can
That would be the upcomming RB450G,
Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, March 04,
Are you doing this with mobility though? How are you doing the car
installations? What about LOS issues considering the low power of 4.9GHz?
Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Yes you are A dell server running DC will requiere tons of Amps ...
Take a look at the offerings of Mikrotik Routerboard series:
www.routerboard.com
Specifically the RB450G and RB1000 both have gige ports, very low dc
power consuption and at least enough CPU/Ram to run OSPF, BGP, even MPLS
In this case, it's 2.4GHz to the clients.
The cars have Laptops with 3 radios:
- Aironet PCMCIA diversity connectors and antennas on the dash
- Cellular cards
- Low speed radios
The system on the laptop automatically tries to connect to WiFi first,
then the cellular, then finally the low speed
The RB1000s we've used have worked well in outdoor environments.
We've had them in cases so hot we have burned ourselves touching them.
However, to start, I'd start with the new RB450Gs from Mikrotik.
They are cheap and should handle about 200+Mbps w/OSPF running.If
you need BGP, definitely
The network is a mix of Vivato and GO Networks, both of which are out of
business.
We are going to test Deliberant DuoMesh in a small downtown network to
see if it will meet our requirements.
__
Jerry Richardson
airCloud Communications
-Original
It's not real mesh though, it uses WDS to bridge traffic from one
radio to the next.
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Jerry Richardson
airCloud Communications
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Right
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 11:56 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex
They do work fine.
I have 1.0.30 firmware (2/5/09) on them and the rssi is still way
off I'll try the 1.0.25 from 1/13/2009
Blair
Pat O'Connor wrote:
I saw the same results a month ago when I bought a few of the EOC-2610.
Make sure you're using the latest firmware.
Hmmm, can you price a system like this out? I'll need per tower and per
node prices.
Out here we'll probably be better off with a less expensive homebrew system
due to long term costs though
marlon
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From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net
To: 'WISPA General List'
We're not looking for 100% coverage. We know that won't happen. We'll get
as close as we can afford though.
As for mobility that's yet to be determined. Back in 2001 when we first did
cop car setups mobility wasn't an issue because the car would just keep it's
bridged ip addy. This network
Marlon,
I feel for the point, that you are trying to make. Nobody wants to sit
idle.
But the reality is that we don;t control the shots, nor do we authorize the
appointments. We can just request them.
Secondly, If we had 5-10 people sitting around a desk in one place, for a
day, I agree we'd
Not only is the power consumption an issue for servers, they are
designed for a office environment. They run best at 68-75F, lots of air
flow. Servers generate a lot of heat. Less if they are green, but
still a lot compared to other devices. They also have way too many
moving parts. Disk
You are right with the main line of severs. Something to keep in mind
is that the PowerRouter's only moving parts are the fans to keep the CPU
and Power supply cool . We have DC units now as well. The units run
about 85 watts of power normally.
*
BTW, we can do 12/24 volt DC with the R1 that we were discussing.
Jeff
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Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 12:23 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full
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From: Ross Cornett vp...@hofnet-communications.com
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Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas
I have yet to receive any
I'm in need run a link 100 meg full duplex at 1 mile. Unlicensed gear is
preferred as this is a low budget hop.
Any recommendations for this? Anything like microtik that has this capacity?
Thanks
Ryan
WISPA Wants
The most cost effective solution is going to be licensed. At $11,000 for
a complete link, that's probably the cheapest thing you are going to
find for this kind of bandwidth.
Travis
Microserv
Ryan Ghering wrote:
I'm in need run a link 100 meg full duplex at 1 mile. Unlicensed gear is
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/03/broadcasters-sue-fcc-over-wh
ite-space-broadband-decision.ars
Scottie
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Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html
I can only quote the MotoMesh Duo today... MotoMesh Solo though is probably
more along the lines of what you want... either way your not going to like
the price if your trying to do it on the cheap. The sell to a city or
county though should work though with more expensive gear because they can
An unlicensed Dragonwave 24GHz link will get you there slightly cheaper...
PtP600 is the only unlicensed radio that I know of that could do it... but
that's going to be more expensive than the Dragonwave hop.
Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com
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Good point Daniel. Anyone doing 4.9 GHz "homebrew" would likely lose
their business when the FCC came knocking along with the Police
Department that was sold the illegal system by the WISP. OUCH!!
3-dB Networks wrote:
I can only quote the MotoMesh Duo today... MotoMesh Solo though is
I'd just hate to be the guy deploying a 4.9GHz homebrew system that the
police/fire come to depend on and have it fail on me and someone die because
of it. Systems like these should cost a lot of money to be built very well.
The FCC would really be the last person I would be concerned about. it's
Interference?
Greg
On Mar 4, 2009, at 1:05 PM, Mark Nash wrote:
One AP with one radio.
We've gone through the moisture issue. Originally, Ubiquiti thought
that
the radios were taking in too much static and we needed to DC-ground
each
piece of equipment. We did that, bought new
This legal action comes as the FCC was just starting to implement its white
space order. The agency finally published the decision in the Federal
Register in mid-February, announcing that its rules would become effective
on March 19. And the Commission has begun talking to parties about setting
These will do what you want
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/routers/ps272/ps6990/product_data_sheet0900aecd804c207b.html
John
Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
OK, last one.
What would you guys use for 3650 gear. I need to deliver very high speeds
to lots of users with near 100%
Are any of the towers setup such that you could cross the circle?
In other words, if you had towers 1 to 20 in a ring, have a secondary
link between towers 4 and 16 for instance.
This would require routing, and preferably dynamic routing, but then you
would have some redundancy.
John
I made some notes when I first started using RM (attached). RM gives great
results once you get the hang of it but for quick dirty just use Delorme
Topo.
-RickG
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 11:24 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:
OK, I have that in there. Nothing happened.
Just
Why would you go unlicensed if you can go licensed for slightly more?
-RickG
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 5:34 PM, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote:
An unlicensed Dragonwave 24GHz link will get you there slightly cheaper...
PtP600 is the only unlicensed radio that I know of that could do it...
ok after talking with the client they have informed me that they only NEED
40 to 50 meg full duplex.
and they are very price conscious as well. I was informed late today that I
get the bid for this project if
I can do it for under 5 grand. So with labor and a small bit of profit, I'm
not sure I
I've been using Delorme Topo for years. you have to know your trees,
but it works fine to see if a link is possable or not
RickG wrote:
I made some notes when I first started using RM (attached). RM gives great
results once you get the hang of it but for quick dirty just use Delorme
I've seen Terabridge 5845's listed for $3000.00. That radio is a true no
bullshit 45Mbps FDX radio. We've had several in use over the years and they
are pretty awesome...1ms latency, etc, etc. They used to be $10k - $15k
radios during their prime. IMO, they are still superior to most any other
The Mikrotik solution can be done... but you will need a lot of clean
spectrum to make it happen. At only a mile, you could use an RB433AH
with a couple SR5 cards on each side. There is even an integrated
antenna that will hold all of this, and provide vertical and horizontal
antennas in the
The modern day WISP that is smaller has to run more efficiently, I lost
my system admin in the last budget cut. He helps from his new job but
the network is pretty much up to me, a former ISP owner and not the most
technically inclined as I should be. Obviously I have more knowledge
than the
StarOS will meet the specs of what you need to do. Two X4000 radios with
dual pol panels will run full-duplex around the 50-55meg level.
http://www.star-os.com/store/
Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com
Travis Johnson writes:
Mark,
Yes we've seen this, we use NS2's on a variety of boards. We replaced
the board, changed the connections and relocated the antenna. Weather
doesn't seem to affect it and the calls certainly increase as the noise
floor is approached in the -87's to -90's. We put in an Engeinus CB3
and
Yes, but the system doesn't have to fail before the WISP who supplies
the homebrew 4.9 system gets blown out of the water. All one person
would have to do is point out to the City that the equipment that they
have been sold is uncertified and illegal to use per FCC rules. What
Police
Forbes, I'm not far away from you, and if you ever need network type help,
feel free to holler.
I love the technical stuff. Don't much care for the paperwork or installs
in the rain, or climbing ladders, or climbing into the bucket on the
truck...
insert
Mark,
I am a little late on this reply, got backed up on list emailsanyways.
http://www.farwestcorrosion.com/ccpcoatings/north01.htm They are called
Saf-T-Climb. That is the type that are on the tanks we have equipment on.
HTH,
Scottie
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