In an attempt to hear what MT had to say on the matter we have been
discussing I asked them to clarify the statement that their system could /
would ever be certified for DFS2...
I didn't get as much info as I would have like to of received but this is
what support had to say fyi...
===
If
They do have all of the radar patterns in it. However, I don't think
they have went down the path to get certified.
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Link
In other words the functionality is there but the paper that says it
can does not exist?
On 4/22/09, Dennis Burgess - LTI dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote:
They do have all of the radar patterns in it. However, I don't think
they have went down the path to get certified.
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very possible.
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Greetings.
I don't think that you need a specific program. to find a solution for
this issue. I thought that you meant some sort of splash screen that
comes up on the CPE, or on the internal web server for the device in
question.
If you really just want it to do so automatically, you can
I know first hand experience that if you stack 3 cards running 2.4ghz on a
RB333 that they will interferer with each other and you will have many
unhappy clients.
Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com
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Yep. We just covered this in our wireless theory RouterOS course last
night! :)
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Anyone has one for share?
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So the recent thread on Wimax was quite interesting. I need to read up
on the different technologies involved. I believe that a fixed
deployment is sufficient for many many many needs and markets (wireless
local loop if you will). If people want mobility/end user wireless they
can hang an
is 2' the smallest we can go?
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Seems to me I remember reading something in a trade magazine about a 1.5'
antenna being approved for 18GHz, but why bother? Just go with the 2' and
enjoy the additional fade margin.
If the distance of your path doesn't warrant 2' antennas at 18GHz then you
should be looking at 23GHz, 38GHz or
I'm looking for more operational experience and end user experience.
Certainly good technology contributes to that, but that isn't my primary
goal.
Michael Baird wrote:
It was interesting, but I was hoping for some more first hand experience
reporting. Essentially the only explanation for
For me, personally in our area, 3650 is attractive because of the lack of
noise. We are saturated with 2.4 and 5GHz here, but if I was in an area
with low noise levels in 2.4 and 5Ghz, then I would not see a point in
spending the extra money to deploy 3650 gear. I personally don't care that
much
It was interesting, but I was hoping for some more first hand experience
reporting. Essentially the only explanation for improved range was a
lower noise floor, which isn't a wimax thing, but a 3.65 thing. I think
a lot of the 802.16d/e talk is market speak, I'm trying to get through
that and
Those of us operators who actually have experience in the field with
the gear tend to avoid posting to threads about WiMAX because the
threads quickly devolve. I suggest you read the archives of this
mailing list. To summarize though; operators who use WiMAX like it and
think the
Jason Hensley wrote:
For me, personally in our area, 3650 is attractive because of the lack of
noise. We are saturated with 2.4 and 5GHz here, but if I was in an area
with low noise levels in 2.4 and 5Ghz, then I would not see a point in
spending the extra money to deploy 3650 gear. I
Matt,
I appreciate your perspective, but I've already read through the
archives and with Wimax technology what was valid yesterday might not be
valid today. I'm not interested in a holy war, we are certainly going to
deploy Wimax in the near future, I just want to set expectations
properly
Yes. I know. Which is why I asked very specific questions. I don't
really care about the technology involved and am not looking for
information on it.
I'm asking for vendor recommendations and WISP experiences from people
that have actually deployed Wimax in the 3650Mhz space. The area I'm
What he said. :)
Seriously I'm interested in actual experiences. Not moans and gripes and
arm chair speculation. I'm very interested in deploying Wimax technology
and want real world information and actual operator feedback.
Michael Baird wrote:
Matt,
I appreciate your perspective, but
Aperto, Alvarion, and Redline seem to be the market leaders. I would check
out each solution, performance and price though they will all be pretty
close (I have some experience with Aperto... but since I sell Aperto I'm not
going to blab on and on why I think its best since you're looking for
There will be as many opinions as there are vendors, but I contend that
802.16d is the better WiMAX standard for 3.65 GHz. There will be no
mobile in 3.65 GHz; the power limits available for mobile under the
rules simply are not workable at all. Going to .16e route does allow you
access to 4x
We're also looking to deploy Wimax at a couple of our tower locations to
provide higher bandwidth to business customers and take a load off some of
our 900 APs. One vendor we are looking at is Vecima Networks. Anyone out
there using VistaMAX 3.65 GHz from Vecima. I would be very interested in
some
A resort I'm working with would like to cut down on walkie talkies and
use wifi instead.
Does anyone have any recommendations? I've seen Vocera, but I think
that's a bit more than what they need.
WISPA Wants
WiMAX relationships tend to be self-limiting. The good vendors are
expensive and as such their customers tend to be more capable. In
capable; I mean the operator has done thorough evaluations including
field trials of equipment from various vendors. Developed a business
plan specifically
Matt,
How does what you say in the first paragraph make Aperto not viable?
Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 2:04 PM
To:
This is about as concise and accurate as can be said...Nice summary
Scriv.
Patrick Leary
Aperto Networks
813.426.4230 mobile
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:37 AM
To:
On Apr 22, 2009, at 3:17 PM, 3-dB Networks wrote:
Matt,
How does what you say in the first paragraph make Aperto not viable?
I don't think anything from my first paragraph makes Aperto not
viable. I am not sure I even like the term viable. I wouldn't suggest
Aperto or recommend them as a
Does anybody have an idea how much I should expect to pay per
termination to terminate 5 strands of multimode fiber? The fiber is
already pulled into the racks, someone would just need to terminate the
ends.
Thanks
Chris Cooper
We have quite a few live Aperto networks being deployed with residential and/or
business services. I am not going to speak for the deployment of Aperto gear
over the entire U.S. but I can say they are out there.
-Jeff
CTI
There is a Difference
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From:
On Wed, 2009-04-22 at 14:01 -0400, Matt Liotta wrote:
Those of us operators who actually have experience in the field with
the gear tend to avoid posting to threads about WiMAX because the
threads quickly devolve. I suggest you read the archives of this
mailing list. To summarize though;
On Wed, 2009-04-22 at 15:03 -0400, Matt Liotta wrote:
My personal recommendation would be for Redline. That is the vendor we
selected and have deployed. I would also recommend that you only
consider WiMAX for deployments where differentiated services are a
core part of your business
On Apr 22, 2009, at 4:55 PM, Butch Evans wrote:
Matt, I apologize for the earlier post regarding your response in this
thread. This post was certainly one that is helpful and addresses the
questions that started the thread.
I obviously missed this email before my most recent post. However,
Press releases are not especially telling. Back at my old shop,
Alvarion, we issued very few PRs relative to the customers we had.
Aperto does even less. This is largely because we are a private company
and don't have the need to keep public shareholders feeling jazzed. As a
private company, we
On Apr 22, 2009, at 4:46 PM, Butch Evans wrote:
WiMAX obviously has some things to offer. It was written specifically
as an outdoor wireless specification. I think your summarization is a
little short of the truth, though. It would be nice, IMO, if you,
as an
operator who acutally
I am looking for a router to load balance 2 wan connections and support 450
users behind the router. I will be bringing in 2 external circuits from
different providers and want to be able to use both. Any have any experience
with gear to handle this?
http://www.aerowire.net
Alan
Hi Alan,
Do you anticipate needing BGP now, or in the future?
What are the link speeds?
How much overall throughput will the router need to handle?
What pricepoint are you looking for?
Jeff
ImageStream
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
Never heard of 5 strand but ok
10 ends maybe 20 each
1 tech an hour each end
Maybe 350 + or minus 50
That's without termination boxes - media converters etc
Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x102
On Apr 22, 2009, at 4:16 PM, chris cooper ccoo...@intelliwave.com
wrote:
Does
Anybody use Airspan for Wimax?
Michael Baird wrote:
It was interesting, but I was hoping for some more first hand experience
reporting. Essentially the only explanation for improved range was a
lower noise floor, which isn't a wimax thing, but a 3.65 thing. I think
a lot of the 802.16d/e
Excellent questions to ask.
I would recommend a mid range cisco router. Say the 1800 or 2800 series.
Also Vyata makes some nice kit.
Jeff Broadwick wrote:
Hi Alan,
Do you anticipate needing BGP now, or in the future?
What are the link speeds?
How much overall throughput will the
No bgp. Link will be 20-30mb/s circuits. We currently run about 450 users
across a 20mb wireless think.
Aerowire
Alan Long
Director of Network Operations
alan.l...@aerowire.net
687 North Dean Road
Auburn, AL 36830
tel: 3342759998
mobile: 336092
Unless someone knows a secret script I would avoid using MT for this - I've
seen minimal success with multiple WANs on MT.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
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On Wed, 2009-04-22 at 16:20 -0500, Alan Long wrote:
I am looking for a router to load balance 2 wan connections and support 450
users behind the router. I will be bringing in 2 external circuits from
different providers and want to be able to use both. Any have any experience
with gear to
On Wed, 2009-04-22 at 17:39 -0400, Josh Luthman wrote:
Unless someone knows a secret script I would avoid using MT for this
Not a secret script, but I have successfully done this with MT. There
are many things that experience has taught me regarding this type of
setup.
--
We've looked at several different vendors for WiMAX and have been running
Alvarion in 2.5GHz for almost 18 months now. Aperto seems to have a decent
RF platform, as does Redline and Alvarion. We had two main issues with
Aperto: ugly Tranzeo CPE and their EMS. Maybe some things have changed by
the
Oops, missed one...do you need rack-mount?
Jeff
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Alan Long
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 5:33 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] router to load balance 2 wan connections
16e output power depends on frequency band in use. For 3650 the same
limitations that were mentioned would apply: 1W per MHz. If unlicensed bands
were added to the profiles output power would be limited as it currently is,
typically to 4W EIRP. In 2.5GHz the limitation is related to received
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/business/epaper/2009/04/20/0420airspan.html
-Matt
On Apr 22, 2009, at 5:30 PM, Pat O'Connor wrote:
Anybody use Airspan for Wimax?
Michael Baird wrote:
It was interesting, but I was hoping for some more first hand
experience
reporting.
Hello,
I just got access to a few towers that had working 18ghz and 23ghz P-Com
links on them at a point in the nearby past. I have the dishes that
were used for these links as well, but the Pcom radios were 4 and 8 T1
models. My understanding is that I can re-use the dishes with DS3 or
Ouch
Tought times for airspan...?
Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Wednesday, April 22,
I have 4 IDU's and 2 ODU's on 23Ghz if your interested. MSG me offlist.
Ryan
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.comwrote:
Hello,
I just got access to a few towers that had working 18ghz and 23ghz P-Com
links on them at a point in the nearby past. I have
Geeze. Not comforting at all.
Aperto is my first choice now because I believe they use TR-069. But I
wanted to see if anyone had used Airspan's Macromax product.
Matt Liotta wrote:
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/business/epaper/2009/04/20/0420airspan.html
-Matt
On
This is what I'm looking for. Thank you!!
Ben Wiechman wrote:
We've looked at several different vendors for WiMAX and have been running
Alvarion in 2.5GHz for almost 18 months now. Aperto seems to have a decent
RF platform, as does Redline and Alvarion. We had two main issues with
Aperto:
Try American Communications... they should be able to get a hold of them for
you.
Also get a hold of the guys over at Skybeam (I'm sure you love the use of
that name ;-) Mesa has a bunch of P-Com links I think they are ripping out
for Dragonwave... I can't recall if they were 23GHz, 18GHz, or
RouterOS RB1000 will handle that, maybe even a 493AH :)
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WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services
WISPA Vendor
Been doing it wrong. I did a university with 24 DSL connections :(
Took a while, works great.
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WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/
Link Technologies, Inc --
How can you suggest a router without those excellent questions being
answered
That is the question ;)
Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x102
On Apr 22, 2009, at 5:31 PM, Charles Wyble char...@thewybles.com
wrote:
Excellent questions to ask.
I would recommend a mid range
Doing this does not require a script and works great and is simple to
implement with MT
Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x102
On Apr 22, 2009, at 5:39 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
Unless someone knows a secret script I would avoid using MT for this
-
Also assuming 120v inside office environment ;)
Lots of assumptions going on without all the question answered
DSL?
Fiber?
Routing protocols?
Dynamic ups or static?
Form factor?
Do u need to manage it yourself -ie understand the os
Mission critical?
And the list goes on
Scott Carullo
Yes rb493 is good but better option would be rb450g fast CPU lots of
ram and 5gb ports all for about 150
And it can do everything you could want a router to do for your
application
Might need rb1000 if you start doing CPU intensive rules etc
Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100
Good luck Matt. There is a ton of 38 GHz stuff out there but other nands are
quite scarce
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:25:14
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org;
I have a complete link. Can't remember anything about it, other than it's
-48VDC. 1' antennas, I believe. Maybe 23GHz? DS3. IDU and ODU. AFAIK,
they work. Paid $500 for them. Make me and offer.
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.comwrote:
Hello,
I
Folks,
IMHO, It really comes down to a cost benefit analysis.
So an 802.11 or canopy system might run you a lot less CAPEX, but it carries
more OPEX.
So if in a given tower site you pay 200 / mo per antenna deployed on a
tower, wimax might be cheaper than a lower system that cannot scale to
All,
I work for a vendor ( Aperto ) so take this as you will. Like most
vendors out there there are differences for everything. Veccima is a pico
solution, which means that they are using a wavesat chipset on the base and
CPE, so the major difference between veccima and alvarion and Aperto
What about solectek, winetwoks and proxim?
Sent from my Motorola Startac...
On Apr 22, 2009, at 8:35 PM, Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm
wrote:
All,
I work for a vendor ( Aperto ) so take this as you will. Like most
vendors out there there are differences for everything. Veccima is
Matt,
We have several customers in the market with trials or actually deployed. I
cant help if they all havent gotten their FCC licenses *duck*, or fully
executed in their plans. Remember as well, not EVERYONE uses 3.65ghz, and
many customers use 5.8 or 5.4.
As far as Tolly marcus being
Sadly they are getting low on cash too
Redline is in the same boat.
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Pat O'Connor
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 3:38 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and
FYI Ben, we are finally fixing ( or fixed ) that issue with running as a
service and now have
A version for oracle. Sorry tranzeo is 00gly :)
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Charles Wyble
Sent: Wednesday, April 22,
Jeff, Can you or anyone expand on the 3.65 802.16d scalability topic?
How is the GPS sync and channel reuse on your product?
Is it merly to be able to tightly accomodate 3 BTS in 21 mhz? or can i reuse
channels per site?
Can i install 6 base stations with 3 channels? have Towers close by
We have several customers in the market with trials or actually deployed.
I
cant help if they all havent gotten their FCC licenses *duck*, or fully
executed in their plans. Remember as well, not EVERYONE uses 3.65ghz, and
many customers use 5.8 or 5.4.
Actually you can help. As a participant
Excellent replies! Thank you!
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From: Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:04:34
To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors
Folks,
IMHO, It really comes down
That may be, but Aperto did issue a press release for one customer. And,
it turns out that customer only has one radio authorization. Further, you
mention Tolly Marcus, but what about you? Did you not represent yourself
at WiMAX World as a Zing employee?
What are people supposed to think
On Wed, 2009-04-22 at 22:02 -0400, mlio...@r337.com wrote:
MetroConnect's SEC filings state they had $2k of cash on hand. Since that
time MetroConnect's revenue has declined each quarter and now they state
their cash on hand is $0.
This thread has degraded WAY beyond useful. If you want to
*sighs*
I did my best to keep it very focused.
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From: Butch Evans
Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
To: WISPA General List
ReplyTo: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors
Sent: Apr 22, 2009 7:49 PM
On Wed, 2009-04-22 at 22:02 -0400,
Has anyone worked with\as an MVNO before?
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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I understand Matt wanting to stay out of it. We've all been here before.
It never went anywhere same as Moto vs. Mikrotik.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com
Cell radius= 30km
The point is for a TCO, that's one tower site to cover a
20km radius, meaning less leases per month of 1k or more, so isntead of 4
tower sites to cover this area ( and pay 4k per month )
So...how are you breaking the laws of physics with this system? Unless
you are
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