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Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?
I had the same question
band radios. Can't fault
the logic, just an engineering decision.
Daniel White
3-dB Networks
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 12:40 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?
Tom,
Can you please help me understand how that procedure is any different then
Canopy except the software selectable polarity? My only experience with
Trango SU's has been on the bench, and I really wasn't impressed
(especially
after I heard all
AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?
I had the same question. The main difference is that we know before the
roll in most cases the frequency and color code and if that ap is blocked
by
trees we generally have several others in different directions that the
tech
can switch to on the fly
with that did
have to deal with them)
Daniel White
3-dB Networks
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 12:11 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?
Many people have missed the boat
. But I can
show the converse.
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From: 3-dB Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 6:14 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?
Tom,
Can you please help me understand how that procedure is any different
, 2008 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?
I must be using a different product line then everyone else here - the
Trango Access 5800 has left quite a bit to be desired - short range and
at
most 7mbps throughput. Mikrotik (costing less new then Trango used)
easily
outperforms
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 8:33 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] WiMax delays?
I don't think this is entirely true
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Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 11:19 AM
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Cc: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?
Travis,
Im a little late responding to this thread, but I will put my two cents
in.
Currently there are products on the market
Also a small channel width ensures you have a better receive sensitivity.
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From: Mike Hammett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 10:43 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?
It needs a small channel
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Butch Evans
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 12:09 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?
On Mon, 24 Nov 2008, Chuck McCown - 3 wrote:
If you hang out over at [EMAIL PROTECTED] you will find more than
a hundred
List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?
Chuck,
We don't use Canopy just because my competitors are using it. And really,
any more, the customer doesn't care HOW the bandwidth gets delivered. So why
not use a product that can deliver twice the bandwidth for 1/3 the price? ;)
Travis
Microserv
other
system.
Daniel White
3-dB Networks
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Butch Evans
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 12:09 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?
On Mon, 24 Nov 2008, Chuck McCown - 3 wrote
, November 25, 2008 10:08 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?
Is the 400 series available? And where?
3-dB Networks wrote:
I've always found the argument that Canopy is a poor steward of
the spectrum
interesting...
Canopy allows channel reuse
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 10:08 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?
Is the 400 series available? And where?
3-dB Networks wrote:
I've always found the argument that Canopy is a poor steward
: Travis Johnson
To: WISPA General List
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 10:07 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?
Chuck,
We don't use Canopy just because my competitors are using it. And really,
any more, the customer doesn't care HOW the bandwidth gets delivered. So why
PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?
Chuck,
We don't use Canopy just because my competitors are using it. And really,
any more, the customer doesn't care HOW the bandwidth gets delivered. So why
not use a product that can deliver twice the bandwidth for 1/3
.
tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 10:08 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?
Is the 400 series available
fax 787.273.4145
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 10:08 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?
Is the 400 series available? And where?
3-dB
Canopy 100 and 200 started at those prices too.
- Original Message -
From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?
never mind. The 400 series sounds great but at $2600
List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:14 PM
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Doesn't the GPS sync only work if you have the exact same settings as the
other systems?
Which part is $70/sub?
Is that 20.2 Mbps the new series, since they claim 21 mbit throughput
: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 4:58 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?
I've always found the argument that Canopy is a poor steward of the
spectrum
interesting...
Canopy allows channel reuse with GPS sync. Canopy is also more likely to
deliver that same sustained throughput in a variety
Message-
From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 07:04:52
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?
Yeah, I have had to change my mind on Motorola recently. They no longer
seem to be pushing for licensed at every turn.
No one ever
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Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 7:36 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?
I didn't say Trango... ;)
Mikrotik AP's can be built for $400 including your choice of antenna
(omni, sector, etc.). That's 1/3 the price of a Canopy AP
The comment was twice the bandwidth for 1/3rd the cost.
- Original Message -
From: 3-dB Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?
That's not fair :-) I didn't know we were talking
ge-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 7:36 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?
I didn't say Trango... ;)
Mikrotik AP's can be built for $400 including your choice of antenna
(omni, sector, etc.). Th
To: WISPA General List
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:59 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?
Josh,
I think this was the point. The Trango 5800 series (the 5830 radio) was the
top of the line product when it first came out (2001 or 2002 I think). There
was nothing else
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
- Original Message -
From: Travis Johnson
To: WISPA General List
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:59 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?
Josh,
I think this was the point. The Trango 5800 series (the 5830 radio) was the
top of the line
Wireless Broadband
- Original Message -
From: Josh Luthman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?
I must be using a different product line then everyone else here - the
Trango Access 5800
List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?
I must be using a different product line then everyone else here - the
Trango Access 5800 has left quite a bit to be desired - short range and
at
most 7mbps throughput. Mikrotik (costing
Broadband
- Original Message -
From: Travis Johnson
To: WISPA General List
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:59 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?
Josh,
I think this was the point. The Trango 5800 series (the 5830 radio) was the
top of the line product when it first
:08 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?
Truck roll: $50
MikroTik CPE: $200
Trango SU: $786 (as of Nov 26 2008 2AM)
Repairing your Trango link without having to truck roll: *three times* the
price of MikroTik and slow truck roll (no, not priceless - we live in a
capitalist economy)
Source
I don't think this is entirely true. For us, it becomes a "value"
decision. If there was an AP that would deliver 100Mbps and could
support 1000 subscribers, I would be willing to pay $10,000+ for it
today. There is a real "gap" in the products that are available on the
market:
At the bottom
Where do you rate Ubiquity Nanostations or the Bullet?
- Original Message -
From: Travis Johnson
To: WISPA General List
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 9:32 PM
Subject: [WISPA] WiMax delays?
I don't think this is entirely true. For us, it becomes a value decision
.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
From: Travis Johnson
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 10:32 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] WiMax delays?
I don't think this is entirely true. For us, it becomes a value decision. If
there was an AP that would
On Mon, 24 Nov 2008, Travis Johnson wrote:
I don't think this is entirely true. For us, it becomes a value
decision. If there was an AP that would deliver 100Mbps and could
support 1000 subscribers, I would be willing to pay $10,000+ for it
today. There is a real gap in the products that are
I must be using a different product line then everyone else here - the
Trango Access 5800 has left quite a bit to be desired - short range and at
most 7mbps throughput. Mikrotik (costing less new then Trango used) easily
outperforms in wireless distance, throughput and (my favorite) capability.
Johnson
To: WISPA General List
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 9:32 PM
Subject: [WISPA] WiMax delays?
I don't think this is entirely true. For us, it becomes a value decision.
If there was an AP that would deliver 100Mbps and could support 1000
subscribers, I would be willing
Josh,
I think this was the point. The Trango 5800 series (the 5830 radio) was
the top of the line product when it first came out (2001 or 2002 I
think). There was nothing else on the market (including Canopy) when
Trango first started shipping this product. However, nothing has been
done with
Butch,
As much as I like Mikrotik (I have been using it for ptp backhauls for
over 4 years now) and recently ptmp for customers, the ptmp is not on
the same level as Canopy or Trango. Having a hardware based scheduler
is something that just can not be done in software. The latest
improvement
: Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?
On Mon, 24 Nov 2008, Travis Johnson wrote:
I don't think this is entirely true. For us, it becomes a value
decision. If there was an AP that would
Evans" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?
On Mon, 24 Nov 2008, Travis Johnson wrote:
I don't think this is entirely true. For us, it becomes a "value"
give my customers 20.2 Mbps (including guaranteed 7 mS
latency with 130 subs on an AP?) for $70/sub?
- Original Message -
From: Travis Johnson
To: WISPA General List
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 10:07 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?
Chuck,
We don't use Canopy
A lot of folks have a philisophical problem adopting a product that seems to
have been designed to cause interference to other equipment trying to share the
same band.
Tom S.
I don't understand human psychology well enough to even begin to explain why
this is such a polarizing topic.
OK, ouch, not to get OT here, but have you looked at Samsung? Have you looked
at the consumer ratings between the two? Only thing Sony got over them was in
the highest end model's, and again this is like buying Alvarion or Canopy to
UBQT as far as price is concerned.
I may be blind, but I
On Mon, 24 Nov 2008, Chuck McCown - 3 wrote:
If you hang out over at [EMAIL PROTECTED] you will find more than
a hundred WISPs, many of them very small operations from 100-1000
subscribers that are 100% canopy. And generally speaking they are
kicking butt and taking names in their markets. I
PureWave
Aperto
Vecima
Three off the top of my head.
-d
On 11/24/08 10:32 PM, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't think this is entirely true. For us, it becomes a value decision. If
there was an AP that would deliver 100Mbps and could support 1000 subscribers,
I would be
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