: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 3:14 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN (form 477 comments)
ARGH!
I was late (even by pacific time, I wonder if they wait until Hawaii
time before they make the cutoff?)
I spent nearly two hours trying to figure out vague errors I
...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Richey
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 11:46 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
Why should you HAVE to pay for something that you really will never use? I
read about guys in rural areas that are still paying $700+ for a T1. Even
at $500/mo that's
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: Richey myli...@battleop.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:45 PM
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
Why should you HAVE to pay for something
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 8:35 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
You should engineer your network to take advantage of BGP instead of being
afraid of it. BGP will bring you closer to more parts
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
Hi Mike,
I can't agree more!
Circuit diversity is really difficult in some remote areas though. Many
times, bringing redundant circuits in via licensed links is the ONLY way
to
get true diversity.
Regards,
Jeff
ImageStream
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:33 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
It would be possible to get a wireless link off the Sears Tower (no, I
: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
Here are some quotes that I received a while back from ATT for a partial
DS3.
10mb: $4300
20mb: $4788
30mb: $5300
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, March
'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
Hi Mike,
I can't agree more!
Circuit diversity is really difficult in some remote areas though. Many
times, bringing redundant circuits in via licensed links is the ONLY way to
get true diversity.
Regards,
Jeff
ImageStream
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From
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From: Chadd Thompson chad...@msn.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:38 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
Been there done that.
We were getting double billed for about 8 months because they didn't
remove
our billing on some old
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From: Richey myli...@battleop.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:02 AM
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
That's still a pretty hard thing for a small provider to swallow when they
are starting out.
Richey
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They're close to 1/2 that now.
Rk
On 3/17/2009 8:22 PM, Chadd Thompson wrote:
Here are some quotes that I received a while back from ATT for a partial
DS3.
10mb: $4300
20mb: $4788
30mb: $5300
WISPA Wants
On 3/17/2009 8:49 PM, RickG wrote:
Of course, they'll bill you 10 times that and never fix their billing
issues! -RickG
This is also true!
Rk
WISPA Wants You! Join today!
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On 3/18/2009 7:13 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
I only call the telco once on billing problems now. If that doesn't fix it
I call the PUC.
I concur. That REALLY gets their attention. I did it with my LEC some
years back when Frontier was still Citizens. Now I call them
Frontizens. Once I
I will have to give our account rep a call then. This pricing was from Jan
of this year.
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on
Behalf Of Rick Kunze
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 10:56 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA
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From: Rick Kunze rku...@colusanet.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 10:55 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
They're close to 1/2 that now.
Rk
On 3/17/2009 8:22 PM, Chadd Thompson wrote:
Here
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:22 AM
To: rku...@colusanet.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
Depends on the loop. My CO is a tandem and there are at least 6 different
Peter Matt, some one's knocking
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:22 AM
To: rku...@colusanet.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
Depends
, 2009 12:05 PM
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
Peter Matt, some one's knocking
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:22 AM
AM
To: rku...@colusanet.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
Depends on the loop. My CO is a tandem and there are at least 6 different
carriers there (Qwest, ATT, MCI, Sprint, Lightcore, and Norlight first come
to mind), but I'm still $5k - $7k for a DS3 with a 0 mile loop
wow.
i can get that for way under 2k...
insert witty tagline here
- Original Message -
From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
Hi Mike,
I can't agree more!
Circuit diversity is really difficult in some remote areas though. Many
times, bringing redundant circuits in via licensed links is the ONLY way
to
get true diversity.
Regards,
Jeff
ImageStream
ATT's deal is based on the loops being under 25 miles. There's another
price for 25 to 50 miles. I think it's also a 2xT minimum or something
like that.
I'm almost at capacity on my 4xT circuit. I have been trying to pull a
tricky deal with them but so far it's not working. My territory is
: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
Are you saying that it is not practical for you to get a T-1 so that you
can legitimately run BGP and multi home?
You can set BGP so that 99% of the traffic goes over the bigger pipe if
necessary.
I
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:49 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
Of course, they'll bill you 10 times that and never fix their billing
issues! -RickG
On Tue, Mar 17
acceptabledata. I'll keep my comments to
myself on this.
Dylan
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 10:42 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
What is the due date
One add to the /22. You need to be or plan to be running BGP.
Scott
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From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
If you are multihomed you need
: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:29 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
One add to the /22. You need to be or plan to be running BGP.
Scott
- Original Message -
From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, March 16
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Piehn
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:29 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
One add to the /22. You need to be or plan to be running BGP.
Scott
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From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com
...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Dylan Bouterse
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:40 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN (form 477 comments)
If you're asking about form 477 the due date is in 22 minutes.
http://www.fcc.gov/form477/
JUST got ours in 20 min ago. Shew!!! Only took 2 guys 7
...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Randy Cosby
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 3:14 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN (form 477 comments)
ARGH!
I was late (even by pacific time, I wonder if they wait until Hawaii
time before they make
...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Dylan Bouterse
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:40 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN (form 477 comments)
If you're asking about form 477 the due date is in 22 minutes.
http://www.fcc.gov/form477/
JUST
They won't even come knocking on your door if you don't file at all, so I think
you'll be okay.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
From: Randy Cosby
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 2:14 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
I was told that I would have to have BGP and be multi-homed within 30 days
or they could revoke my IP's. Would they allot a /20 in the case you are
only using 4 class Cs?
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 10:42 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
What is the due date for that form?
Cliff Olle wrote:
With the information
Bouterse
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:40 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN (form 477 comments)
If you're asking about form 477 the due date is in 22 minutes.
http://www.fcc.gov/form477/
JUST got ours in 20 min ago. Shew!!! Only took 2 guys 7 hours straight
Piehn
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:29 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
One add to the /22. You need to be or plan to be running BGP.
Scott
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From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent
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From: Richey myli...@battleop.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:39 AM
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
/rant on
Dealing with Arin is frustrating if you are a smaller provider in a market
off
Richey
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Cliff Olle
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:02 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
I was told that I would have to have BGP and be multi
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
It would be possible to get a wireless link off the Sears Tower (no, I won't
say the new name), but a DS3 delivered here is well over $5k.
The provider must always provide you with IPs, assuming you meet
justification.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent
: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:33 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
It would be possible to get a wireless link off the Sears Tower (no, I won't
say the new name), but a DS3 delivered here is well over $5k.
The provider must always provide you with IPs, assuming you
Of Cliff Olle
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:02 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
I was told that I would have to have BGP and be multi-homed within 30 days
or they could revoke my IP's. Would they allot a /20 in the case you are
only using 4 class Cs
traffic
rolls over to the T1.
Richey
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of John Thomas
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
Are you saying that it is not practical
Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:33 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
It would be possible to get a wireless link off the Sears Tower (no, I
won't
say
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:33 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
It would be possible to get a wireless link off the Sears Tower (no, I
won't
say
You dont need that - just go to their website and you can call too - its
easy.
Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102
Original Message
From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 2:37 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
, 2009 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
You dont need that - just go to their website and you can call too - its
easy.
Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102
Original Message
From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
Sent: Monday, March 16
office manager is about ready to quit over this!
g
marlon
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From: Scott Piehn li...@jcwifi.com
To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
agreed
When we had
?
insert witty tagline here
- Original Message -
From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
oh man, we're STILL working on the 477. Isn't that an absolute disaster
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:56 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
oh man, we're STILL working on the 477. Isn't that an absolute disaster?
We don't ever TRACK most of what they want.
sigh
I'm going
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:56 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
oh man, we're STILL working on the 477. Isn't that an absolute disaster?
We don't ever TRACK most of what they want.
sigh
.
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:56 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
oh man, we're STILL working on the 477. Isn't that an absolute disaster
If you are multihomed you need to justify a /22 ( 4 Class C's) and if
you are not, then you will need to justify a /20 ( 16 class C's)
John
Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
We probably need to get our own ip addys now. We're using 4 class c's and
will need more pretty soon in one location.
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 10:42 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
What is the due date for that form?
Cliff Olle wrote:
With the information that Brian Webster generated for us, we did the
filing
in 5
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