Your life? Telephone? Rural Utilities?
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote:
can you name me one thing that the government has given that it has
not first taken?
funny I keep asking - but never given an answer.
Im with you MDK
On Mar 16, 2010, at 1:20
Count me with the founding Trolls, then, Jason. They had a determination
to NOT be subject to the King. They were fanatics... they had one thing
in mind, they never changed their mind, and they never shut up. I consider
those trolls to be dang good company. If I make half the
Government Gave me my life? Really?
Telephone? Until we got the government out of it, it was horrendously
expensive and advanced none at all. Now, we have services that WERE NOT
EVEN CONCEIVABLE to me the year I got married. We've come that far since
then.
Copper to my house?
Does anyone know of or use a POE powered POE splitter/switch combo which could
be tower mounted which would allow a single ethernet cable carrying POE
(perferrably 48v) up the tower, and then would pass POE (adjustable voltages)
to multiple devices and also act as a switch (preferably
Wow Mark. For once I can actually state that I agree with your statements.
Thank You,
Brian Webster
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Behalf Of MDK
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 1:54 AM
To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List
Has anyone found anything useful to do with the 2nd port on a PS2? I'm finding
very little information on that port on the 'net. Does it share the PS2's POE?
Greg
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It would be neat to see for smaller sites, but I wouldn't use it on
larger sites, one point of failure makes me nervous a bit. Especially
since Cat5e is so cheap.
To answer your question, no, I have not seen it but would like to :)
-Cameron
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6 Meg DSL here is around $50/month
Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of MDK
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 1:15 AM
To: WISPA General
Have a 5ghz 1mile backhaul, its near-LOS. I can barley make out the tippy
top of the grain leg that the antenna is on. On both sides of link I'm using
24db panels with R52's. Anyway the signal is not that hot, about -73/-74.
TCP Throughput on normal 802.11a is 17.5mbps. Turn on Nstream and its
I'll ask and get back to you. My gf has tried them all 'cause that's what she
does for fun...
Chuck
On Mar 16, 2010, at 1:04 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote:
any recommendations on the best jailbreak program?
I used Backra1n and it ran fine for a couple of weeks then crashed for no
apparent
Definitely the XRs hear better than the R52.
Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
Have a 5ghz 1mile backhaul, its near-LOS. I can barley make out the tippy
top of the grain leg that the antenna is on. On both sides of link I'm using
24db panels with R52's. Anyway the signal is not that hot, about -73/-74.
On Mar 16, 2010, at 2:27 AM, MDK wrote:
Government Gave me my life? Really?
Telephone? Until we got the government out of it, it was horrendously
expensive and advanced none at all.
That isn't really true Mark. Before the government got involved you had
multiple non-interworking
I have a customer that would like to put up a camera so the others can
watch the progress of a construction project.
As I have never done anything like this, I need some suggestions as to
equipment and process.
Thanks
--
Scott Reed
Sr. Systems Engineer
GAB Midwest
1-800-363-1544 x2241
The secondary port on the PS2 is just another ethernet port, it does
not have any POE (in or out, AFAIK). You can use it to align the
antenna better using a netbook and the web UI alignment tool.
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 6:29 AM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:
Has anyone found anything
Cool. I want to use a pair of NS5M's as a backhaul to the PS2. So I should be
able use that second ethernet port on the PS2 to connect the NS5M.
Greg
On Mar 16, 2010, at 8:50 AM, Philip Dorr wrote:
The secondary port on the PS2 is just another ethernet port, it does
not have any POE (in or
stardottech.com , have it ftp the current picture to a webpage or allow people
to have access to it. Course there are all kind of cameras, but I like the
webserver ones.
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From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net
Reply-To: WISPA
H264 ip camera with a static ip or dyndns. Then just give out the ip
address to anyone that wants to watch. H264 keeps the bandwidth
requirement low.
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 16, 2010, at 8:14 AM, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net
wrote:
I have a customer that would like to put up
Does anyone have a good contact for VZ tower Co-lo in the Midwest?
Thanks
Chris Cooper
Intelliwave
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I realize that you state that you cannot go with any bigger antennas, but
you might be able to fix this situation with the same size antennas if you
go with a more focused beam. You state that you are running 24db panels.
Panels generally have a pretty wide beam width. If you switch to a
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http://reboot.fcc.gov/live http://reboot.fcc.gov/live Starts at 10:30 but
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Co-locate with Verizon?
ha ha ha ha ha ! HA HA HA HA HA!!~!!
I hope you have applied for CLEC status and have a BIG BIG bank account!
On 3/16/2010 6:54 AM, chris cooper wrote:
Does anyone have a good contact for VZ tower Co-lo in the Midwest?
Thanks
Chris Cooper
Intelliwave
Consider testing some mimo 'n' gear...such as ubiquiti ... you should be
able to get the 60+mbps range you are looking for.
You did not say how long is the link ?
(we have 2 rocket m5 w/2ft dishes, on a 8.7 mile link, with not a clean
LOS, the radios are turned down in power to 20dbm, 20mhz
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 07:41, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote:
6 Meg DSL here is around $50/month
At home, I have 6Mbps DSL for $35/month. (Yes, I work for a WISP, but still
have DSL, because my last three apartments were out of my employer's
coverage area due to terrain and trees.)
Are you sure VZ owns the tower? In many areas of the country, while VZ may be
the most prominent tenant, someone else actually owns and manages the tower site
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Okay, the answer I got was:
blackra1n works in a flash and you don't even need to restore your stuff
http://www.blackra1n.org/
She discussed several others but that's her clear preference.
Chuck
On Mar 16, 2010, at 1:04 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote:
any recommendations on the best jailbreak
Something with a DVR would be a good way to go. This way they have a
historical account of the progress. I am sure they will want to do
something like a time squeeze of the whole process. Otherwise you are
looking at a camera that FTP¹s to a web-server. If you go that route the
image is
3Com was close with the Network Jack devices. made to fit in a wall outlet,
poe, POE out, and 300 version was managed. Only four ports out, but initial
testing was pretty cool. It is only 802.3af.
nj200 is the 10/100 model, and I just googled it and there is now a nj2000
for Gigabit speeds.
Anyone having a problem flashing Open-Mesh on a Engenius 1650 using XP Pro.
It seems when I flash a unit the flash completes, but the unit does not
work.
When used as an AP the power and the lan lights are on but when I log in to
it via wireless laptop the IP address is 169.xxx.xxx.xxx.
I have a
For the WISP that is still charging $30+ for 384k service, what are you
doing to bring those customers more bang for their buck? Are you trying to
increase speeds or bring pricing down?
Richey
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
If they want local DSL service, then they can pay for that. We focus on
outside areas, however, there is also areas around here that the DSL
service goes up and down more than a porn star. Hence, we end up being
more reliable. We have customers also that just hate ATT, hence, they
would rather
BTW, I did not mean to offend anyone with my colorful analogy. Just
realized what I typed after hitting send! If it don't offend you,
enjoy a bit of humor.
---
Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE,
I am a bit confused here. Did you have a bad experience?
KGI Wireless manages many of the Verizon sites, and are somewhat OK to
deal with.
http://www.kgiwireless.com/Documents/QueryVerizonWirelessPublicSiteList.asp
They can be a little stiff - but they know what a WISP is.
Back in 2000 ATC
Thanks. Those are good but don't quite do it. The specs say the POE is 48v. I'd
like something that you could program the POE out to 12v connected devices.
Greg
On Mar 16, 2010, at 11:01 AM, Mike Delp wrote:
3Com was close with the Network Jack devices. made to fit in a wall outlet,
poe, POE
A quick google search turned up this:
http://www.wirelesslan.gr/product_info.php?cPath=48products_id=1062osCsid=
440557bb417622d46a58ff9007e2a706
POE switching volt to 5V or 6V or 7.5V or 9V or 12V
Looks to be 48V in and two outputs of 5V, 6V, 7.5V, 9V, or 12V. It would
require a fairly large
I think part of the issue is economies of scale. Many rural ISPs have
T1s and T3s at best. The cost of transport and bandwidth doesn¹t allow them
to scale as well as they could if they had fiber or some other high capacity
transport. With providers such as Cogent well under $10 a meg in
This is why I have said that the stimulus dollars need to go to middle
milte build outs. Wireless as a last mile medium is very well understood
and gives best bang for the buck in a lot of scenarios.
Justin Wilson wrote:
I think part of the issue is economies of scale. Many rural ISPs have
Exactly. That is what NewWays did. Our old plans on T1 or other
smaller pipe were:
384K $33.00
512K $45.00
Now that we have a 50M fiber to a tower our plans are:
1M $35.00
2M $48.00
Justin Wilson wrote:
I think part of the issue is economies of scale. Many rural ISPs have
T1s and T3s
Just a thought...but does the price of groceries increase when you're
farther from an urban area? Obviously the costs are higher (more
trucker miles, less productivity) but I wonder if milk isn't another
$1 or something.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite
I have one 12 mile link running the new 27dbi AirGrids as a backhaul. My
signal is -70 although I've been lazy and haven't fine tuned one end yet.
I'm able to transfer a clean 70+ mb/s on the link. Both ends are 100 agl,
one end is 60 feet lower than the other, lots of trees but still a good
I second that. Also good for the new Nanos as well with their second port.
Bob-
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Philip Dorr
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 9:21 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Using the
Sometimes, but with chain stores the saving of groceries in cities
helps subsidize the higher shipping cost of groceries in rural areas.
Josh Luthman wrote:
Just a thought...but does the price of groceries increase when you're
farther from an urban area? Obviously the costs are higher
What about the weather getting to it? It's unplugged for the most
part. The primary port has the wire to keep away spiders or something
from laying eggs. Are spiders (bugs/dirt/etc) conductive?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
I asked the same over on the Motorola list a few months back. No one knew of
anything, but Chuck at Wireless Beehive said if there was enough interested he
would build one.
My idea was almost like yours except I wanted the ability to change the
positive and negative pins for other equipment
Ok, I see you guy's points. I was looking at it from the point if the gov't is
going to keep giving the big guys tax breaks, USF, and whatever else, it is
like I am competing against my/our own money. If they are giving them some form
of subsidy to build these networks, then I think we should
The cover has the place for that cable covered but you can snap if out of
the cover if you want to use it. You can also use it as PoE but by default
the firmware has the PoE turned off on that port. I find it handy to mount
it, run the cable, install the PoE inside the clients structure then
Just received my first kit of (2) NanoStation Locos and (2)
NanoStation2Ms, complete with tilt brackets...
Opened the box to find a PoE injector with a chassis mounted 115VAC jack.
What's going to be my best option for injecting 12 VDC off of our battery
bank/plant power directly?
Granted, my
There is an TP-SW5-NC 5 Port switch with POE voltage from 12V to 48V. You
can't have different voltages on different ports and it isn't a managed
switch.
http://www.wlanparts.com/product/TP-SW5-NC/High-Speed-10100Mb-5-Port-POE-Sw
itch.html
There is a POE crossover cable to power non standard
Bob,
You mean there's some way to pass the incoming POE to the 2nd port? How?
Thanks!
Greg
On Mar 16, 2010, at 1:56 PM, Robert West wrote:
The cover has the place for that cable covered but you can snap if out of
the cover if you want to use it. You can also use it as PoE but by
The old style power injector (separate power supply and separate injection
block) for the PS2 is what I used to power a PS2 connected to a generator I
wanted to put on our wireless network for remote control/monitoring. I just
used a different cord with a coaxial plug wired to the battery power
I installed some cheap cigarette style power ports I got from the Advanced
Auto into our box then took some 12 volt automotive adapters to plug in and
put the right barrel connector on them. The bonus is they have a fuse in
them now.
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From:
On the new Nanos there is. By default the power won't pass through but in
the firmware you can click the box for PoE pass-through then you can use it
to power up a second device. I envision using something like that as maybe
a bridge for going around a corner or to bounce the signal around some
That looks good.
On Mar 16, 2010, at 2:04 PM, Scott Parsons wrote:
There is an TP-SW5-NC 5 Port switch with POE voltage from 12V to 48V. You
can't have different voltages on different ports and it isn't a managed
switch.
Crown Castle owns the towers Verizon is on in my area, TN.
Scottie
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From: Aaron D. Osgood aosg...@streamline-solutions.net
Reply-To: aosg...@streamline-solutions.net,WISPA General List
wireless@wispa.org
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010
I wish this was an option on the PowerStations.
Greg
On Mar 16, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Robert West wrote:
On the new Nanos there is. By default the power won't pass through but in
the firmware you can click the box for PoE pass-through then you can use it
to power up a second device. I
I think largely the middle mile funds are wasted. Most areas already have at
least *some* fiber. The cost, and the problem, is in getting last mile done,
not middle mile done. From my direct experience and observation, a lot of the
middle mile projects NTIA is funding is really for redundant
Me too. However, if you ever need to tap into the power from the PS2, the
board inside is the same board as the light station so it has a solder point
for a power jack. The power jack and the PoE are connected in the same path
so you can tap into it if you ever need to do such a thing. You
That's good to know.
On Mar 16, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Robert West wrote:
Me too. However, if you ever need to tap into the power from the PS2, the
board inside is the same board as the light station so it has a solder point
for a power jack. The power jack and the PoE are connected in the same
Citations needed?
I have seen many many many posts on this list discussing/complaining about
middle mile/back haul issues including access and expense.
If the vast majority of wisps have access to sufficient back haul at competive
prices then I stand corrected. Do the wisps on this list feel
In my area the middle mile being built is exactly for institutions with a
minor mention that they would sell bandwidth to providers. But the main
push is for the institutions.
Middle mile for whom?
Bob-
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
Just read this on another list, thought I would push it through to WISPA.
Seems a little odd..
-drew
Begin forwarded message:
From: Brett Glass br...@lariat.net
Date: March 16, 2010 8:32:38 AM EDT
Subject: First erratum for National Broadband Plan: WISPs given short shrift
Got up
Mark, I for one, care. I know most here do as well too. To the rest,
learn history and see where socialism leads to.
BTW: I was one of the angry mobsters at the big Tea Party in DC and
proud of it.
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 2:16 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
Count me with the founding
The grant that I'm benefiting from is primarily for the anchor institutions,
but they worked with multiple ISPs right off the bat. I have fiber coming
into my network from this.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
Well yes, ATT, Sprint, Qwest, and Verizon have fiber almost everywhere.
That doesn't mean they'll sell you a service that you can cost effectively
use.
It's too bad the feds didn't require cooperation with all area ISPs in each
application done by a public entity.
-
Mike Hammett
On Monday, NPR aired a story on the FCC Broadband Plan and Internet access
in Trinity County California. The story by Laura Sydell was in anticipation
of the FCC Broadband Plan today and profiled Trinity County, a rural county
in northern California.
You can read/listen to the story at:
Bingo...we have a winner! Middle mile means sqaut when there is a single
provider who know they've got you by the you-know-what in terms of
pricing. Then there is the finger pointing you have to deal with when
there is a problem...funny...for some reason's it's never their problem
initially
Bret Clark wrote:
Bingo...we have a winner! Middle mile means sqaut when there is a single
provider who know they've got you by the you-know-what in terms of
pricing.
Thank you Bret and Mike for making my point. :)
Yes there is fiber just about everywhere, but it comes down to
I think he meant if Verizon owned the tower. If so, good luck! Same
with most cell cos. If they own it, either you cant get on it or its
big bucks.
At any rate, how about McDonalds - lol?
http://www.kgiwireless.com/Documents/SiteProfileMCD.asp?TowerNumber=MCD004171
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:23
Charles N Wyble wrote:
Interesting. Is the purpose of the wireless middle mile to reach a
carrier neutral facility? Very intriguing. I've considered doing that
here in Los Angeles. Back haul to One Wilshire or something. I have
friends with gear on the mountains. Hmmm
Yup...we're
As much as i hate to admit it...We still service/install hughesnet and idirect
sat services.If I can help you i will,been at it almost 12 years.
--- On Tue, 3/16/10, Tim Sylvester t...@avanzarnetworks.com wrote:
From: Tim Sylvester t...@avanzarnetworks.com
Subject: [WISPA] NPR Story on FCC
Cool. Those look like Home Depot ethernet jacks you're using to attach to the
pigtails. How are they working out for you?
Greg
On Mar 16, 2010, at 5:31 PM, cc...@dot11net.com wrote:
Greg,
We build one of these for internal use (posted about it last week), but
ours is a passive device that
Yup...we're running several wireless links (for redundancy) to a peering
point (CLEC Hotel) then interconnect at that location to the Internet
through various BGP interconnections with peer 1 and local CLEC's for
short dollars. We found no issues with building management letting us
put up our
Replies inline
On Mar 16, 2010, at 6:22 PM, Tim Sylvester wrote:
1. What type of satellite Internet connection costs $50,000?
A no-bid, cost plus reseller that has a sweet contract with the
school/local govt?
2. Does anyone have experience deploying satellite Internet access? How
UBNT says you have to use WDS with Bridge mode if you want transparent packet
transport with no funny business. Does that apply to one end being AP and the
other being station WDS? Or do they both have to be AP?
Depends on what you're using.
If they're both AP and you want them both to broadcast, AP WDS is what you
want. I suggest you specify MACs and not use the auto feature. If there
are 3 or more APs you absolutely can not use auto as it will create a loop
(ignoring STP for now...).
If you want to
AP WDS -- station WDS
Heads up, there may be an issue with the # of ARP entries the radios can take.
We have a pair of Bullets as a temporary BH and it failed miserably. Then again
it was passing 15Mbps + and ~400 MAC addresses.
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
Thanks! We're a small network here so we'll be fine.
Greg
On Mar 16, 2010, at 7:23 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote:
AP WDS -- station WDS
Heads up, there may be an issue with the # of ARP entries the radios can
take. We have a pair of Bullets as a temporary BH and it failed miserably.
Then
Thanks! That's exactly what I wanted to know. Yeah, found out the hard way
about having three WDS APs in Auto. Even with STP on it was flakey.
Greg
On Mar 16, 2010, at 7:21 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Depends on what you're using.
If they're both AP and you want them both to broadcast, AP WDS
I argue that the real problem is that the School staff is not educated on
where to look for alternate broadband providers.
The school needs to be more resourceful.
Surely they should be able to price shop between the 4-5 satelite providers
to gain a better price for satelite.
2. Does anyone
Chuck,
Thanks. You just reminded me that the government gave us the Internet
too. From Wikipedia -
The origins of the Internet reach back to the
1960s when the United States funded research projects of its military
agencies to build robust, fault-tolerant and distributed computer
networks.
websters.com
–give (used with object)
1.to present voluntarily and without expecting compensation; bestow:
to give a birthday present to someone.
The government cant give anything because they get the money to pay
for such things from us, the US taxpayer. They simply take and
transfer ownership.
Actually, at the Vegas conference UBNT said you should *never* specify MACs.
I don't remember why, but you may want to check into it first!
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 5:51 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:
Depends on what you're using.
If they're both AP and you want them both
Fortunately we are close to the CLEC hotel...about 2 mile links using
Ceregon's and DragonWave for the connections and fail-over redundancy.
At the CLEC hotel we collocate some edge BGP routers and use OSPF in
the backbone for fail-over.
Bret
Tim Sylvester wrote:
Yup...we're running
In my experience,
(1) the problem for rolling out to a new area IS NOT cost of backhaul, it's the
cost of the equipment. Sure we all like cheaper backhaul, but it doesn't
prevent a roll out to an unserved area. I'm sure there are exceptions to
that-but they are going to be very very rare.
(2)
That's what we did. $24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps. $49.95/mo gets you
20Mbps/6Mbps.
We guarantee minimums--not just an up to speed. A lot of people really
like that too.
Our packages: www.peakinter.net
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:14 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
One of the things
Chuck Bartosch wrote:
In my experience,
(1) the problem for rolling out to a new area IS NOT cost of backhaul, it's
the cost of the equipment. Sure we all like cheaper backhaul, but it doesn't
prevent a roll out to an unserved area. I'm sure there are exceptions to
that-but they are going
So having a gig transport to $1/megabit transit doesn't deploy access to
needed areas?
The middle mile could be built wherever.
The best middle mile project we could see is a hybrid of fiber and wireless.
Mostly fiber with fiber or microwave down to clients.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent
On Tue, 2010-03-16 at 13:29 -0600, Scottie Arnett wrote:
If they are giving them some form of subsidy to build these
networks, then I think we should have access to use it too.
This is the wrong way to view it, though. I'm not looking to argue the
point, but want to address this in a
I can't use a gig right now. However, to *get* that gig would cost us
$7000/month for a wavelength on one provider's new network. Suddenly the gig
that I can't really use isn't cheap at all. The costs for what I *do* use would
more than double.
Even in the carrier hotels in the bigger cities,
Either way you put it suggests that capitalism is being destroyed.
On 3/16/10, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com wrote:
On Tue, 2010-03-16 at 13:29 -0600, Scottie Arnett wrote:
If they are giving them some form of subsidy to build these
networks, then I think we should have access to use it
That middle mile would bring that $1 megabit to you more affordably. If a
middle mile project that I'm working with goes through, I'll have
$871/month transport for 1 gigabit 60 driving miles into 350 Cermak, one of
the top 4 or 5 connected buildings in the country.
Yes, I have personally
On Mar 16, 2010, at 10:49 PM, Chuck Bartosch wrote:
I can't use a gig right now. However, to *get* that gig would cost us
$7000/month for a wavelength on one provider's new network. Suddenly the gig
that I can't really use isn't cheap at all. The costs for what I *do* use
would more than
Right, I've been as proactive as anyone. However, in our regional rate centers
those prices simply are not available. And the transport you're being quoted is
1/10th the rate we're seeing-for a similar distance I might add. And that's
from one of the Round 1 winners.
Chuck
On Mar 16, 2010, at
He.net will do $1 per Meg with 1 gig minimum commit.
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-Original Message-
From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:49:09
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
I can't use
If I go out and shoot a deer, I took it's life (and it's meat ;-). If I give
you some, I'm giving you some, whether or not I took it from someone else. If
you're my kid and I give you bread, I'm giving it to you whether or not I paid
for it or I broke into a store and stole it.
Chuck
On Mar
But He.net isn't in Syracuse so that doesn't do me a whole lot of good. They
aren't in Binghamton either. Nor are they in Rochester (which is really too far
but is the next closest meet point).
Chuck
On Mar 16, 2010, at 11:21 PM, char...@knownelement.com wrote:
He.net will do $1 per Meg with
Just saying there are $1.00 mbps providers available.
4.00 is pretty common as well.
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-Original Message-
From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 23:31:14
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to
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