S.F. nears WiFi deal
By Sarah Jane Tribble
Mercury News
San Francisco's wait for citywide wireless is nearing an end, a city
official said Thursday.
Chris Vein, director of the city's technology office, said he expects
contract negotiations with the joint Google and Earthlink team that was
I need your help! It looks like I am going to have to go over the head
of the IT guy at the area hospitals. According to the person I am
speaking with I cannot even get a phone call returned from him to talk
about the issues regarding wireless broadband delivery and HIPAA. The
say flat out no
Wouldn't it be nice to get paid $4000 per AP install?
Expecially when the average cost of a WARboard and custom MESH software is
less than $400 a unit, and can get installed in less than 4 hours.
And then on top of it, get another 1.5million a year, to pay your staff?
I don't know if its
I caught a brief report on FoxNews today about a requirement for keeping
copies of E-mail. It seems that we may be required to maintain a copy for
use at later time for criminal courts. Anyone know of this or have more info
on it? Is it every ISP or only Corporations. This could be
The local hospital in town, that is also the employer of my two
partners, has a Cisco wireless system in place, and has had since before
we were in business. SSID is turned on, DHCP is turned off, and
encryption is turned on. (WEP 128bit I think)
Recently, they went through an audit by an
We are common carriers. We no more have to copy peoples e-mail than the
phone company has to record the contents of every call.
Tim Kerns wrote:
I caught a brief report on FoxNews today about a requirement for
keeping copies of E-mail. It seems that we may be required to maintain
a copy for
Governor Schwarzenegger Announces Appointments to the Broadband Task Force
Nov 30, 2006 News Release
Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger today announced appointments to the
Broadband Task Force. The Broadband Task Force will bring together
public and private stakeholders to remove barriers to
As a common carrier I can understand and agree. What about providing E-mail
services to our customers, do we then need to keep copies of all e-mail that
comes into or goes out our server?
Tim Kerns
- Original Message -
From: Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List
I find it interesting that people are stating their organizations are
common carriers. The term common carrier has a very specific legal
meaning. Specifically, a common carrier is an entity licensed by the FCC
or a state agency to supply local and/or long distance
telecommunications services
Tim-
It's an amendment to the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure and it governs what a
company that's sued has to do to comply with discovery requests. It doesn't
single out WISPs or carriers. Here's a good explanation:
I'm going to look into this, but current law ALREADY requires ISPs to
retain records of e-mail traffic and Web searches for 90 days. This was
per an amendment to the 1986 Stored Communications Act.
Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
get a shop vac.
get a box of pull string or a long enough piece of lightweight string.
get a tennis ball (or whiffle ball) and tie the string to it.
Turn on shop vac.
Suck the ball through.
Don't laugh. It'll work!
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL
To dispel the FUD about this, the law is dealing with the 2006 Amendments to
the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure addressing discovery of electronically
stored information. Link to pdf http://tinyurl.com/htarf review.
Secondly, if you are presented with a properly written subpoena, you do have
Chris,
First, if there is an open 4 conduit, you'd never want to run a cable
by itself --that'd be considered a major waste of the conduit investment
in place. Instead, the proper thing would be to install 3 to 4 PVC
innerducts. These are generally about 1.5 OD and can be ordered with
pull
The common carrier concept was established in the 1934 Communications
Act, which is the act that formed the basis of the Federal
Communications Commission.
The concept of a common carrier is not exclusive to the
telecommunications industry. It is a legal and social concept that dates
back
I'll drop e-mail services before I'll do that. I am not a cop.
Tim Kerns wrote:
As a common carrier I can understand and agree. What about providing
E-mail services to our customers, do we then need to keep copies of
all e-mail that comes into or goes out our server?
Tim Kerns
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Common carrier refers to things other than Telecom. Trucking companies,
bus lines, rail transport, air lines to name some.
The common denominator seems to be providing transport for data, product
or people that is for general, public hire at established rates. I'm
sure there is more to this
Here is a link which provides an overview of the ECPA from the DOJ and a
handy reference to keep on hand.
http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/cybercrime/ssmanual2002.htm#_IIID1_
We are going through some personal and business issues regarding such issues
relating to electronic storage.
Frank Muto
Anyone know what speed CPU is running the Tranzeo 900 radios?
Just wondering if it has the power to get full throughput from RF ETH2
combined to ETH1.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
- Original Message -
From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:
Used to do this all the time when I was a linesman.
The easiest and safest way to do this is to use a vacuum on one end. Tie a
parachute or streamer to a string and put that in the pipe while someone's
sucking on the other end. Make sure you hold the twine with a screwdriver
and not your
Frank at Pasadena Networks has stock and good pricing on the SR9s.
And yes we are paying $350-$389 for the gear based on quantity.
Which is still the lowest cost 900SU solution so far, every thing included.
I don't believe anybody has broke the $300 barrier except on large quantity.
If they
Exactly, after you add the rootenna, you are at $348, plus International
Shipping charges (if in US).
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday,
and litigation.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061201/ap_on_hi_te/storing_emails_2
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Dang, that's as much as $100 more than a real BreezeACCESS CPE (under
the AlvarionCOMNET program) without needing to piece things together so
the points of failure risk and truck roll is both much smaller, not to
mention a warranty and domestic supply and support. VL CPE comes with
mounting
Governor Schwarzenegger Announces Appointments to the Broadband Task Force
Nov 30, 2006 News Release
Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger today announced appointments to the
Broadband Task Force. The Broadband Task Force will bring together
public and private stakeholders to remove barriers to
But is your A/P under $500.00 like the RB532 and SR9? K, Im just kidding.
Its Friday.
Superior Wireless
New Orleans,La.
www.superior1.com
- Original Message -
From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 7:20 PM
Subject:
SR9 on WAR at 5MHz is about 6Mb
Tom DeReggi wrote:
We are finding that for most of the OEM 900 product though, best case
speed gets close to 1mbps on a 5mhz channel.
So Trango, is still our dominent choice, from towers,m where we do not
need the flexibility and low cost of relaying.
--
WISPA
This is one of those times when we need to ride the coats of the big guys.
They spent millions in lobbying and legal fees to make sure they didn't have to
be regulated like a common carrier by defining the new term information
service. All of us are in that business and even though Cable,
I found that a little interesting also. I don't really
think a WISP would WANT to be termed a common
carrier.
communications common carrier: 1. The term communications common carrier
as used in this part [of 47CFR] means any person (individual, partnership,
association, joint-stock company,
Does that BreezeACCESS CPE do 5 mile *NECLoS shots? Usable links that is...
Serious question... I don't know. If it does, I will have to re-think
how I am doing
things
John
* Not Even Close to Line of Sight...
Patrick Leary wrote:
Dang, that's as much as $100 more than a real BreezeACCESS
On Fri, 1 Dec 2006, Patrick Leary wrote:
Dang, that's as much as $100 more than a real BreezeACCESS CPE
(under the AlvarionCOMNET program) without needing to piece things
together so the points of failure risk and truck roll is both much
smaller, not to mention a warranty and domestic supply
I would be extremely interested in your $250 solution if it didn't have that
stupid software governor on it limiting bandwidth. What is it, 3Mb x 2Mb?
What's the actual throughput? - cw
Patrick Leary wrote:
Dang, that's as much as $100 more than a real BreezeACCESS CPE (under
the
We're installing SR9 clients with a 2.4 antenna on it, and never going
in the house except for power. Customers sign onto the *hotspotted* 2.4
antenna, and if their neighbors want to sign on as well, so be it.
Can't do that with Alvarion.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It is a fair question and what I would say is that the AU is an even
more critical point in the network. Our AUs have options to be inserted
into chassis with redundant power supplies, etc. The difference in cost
of the AU is minimal when working out the entire cost of the sector and
its clients,
There's no license fees if you're buying routerboards for Mikrotik.
Also, add 2.4 cards (SR2) and cabling / antenna at each client, and you've
now built
a mesh, so to speak, with coverage off each customer to new customers.
Those setups add about $200 here and there when you do the repeaters.
The AlvarionCOMNET CPE does 3mbps net and 2mbps up. It can be upgraded
via software if needed, but you only would do that once you have a
client willing to pay for the additional capacity. You can take it to
6mbps down and 4mbps up or to the full CPE that can deliver over 30mbps
net. I appreciate
As a matter of fact you could and it's something we've had for years and
it is a warranted item. That's be a CX deployment using VLDS.11. The
range of that DS.11 would probably cover the whole neighborhood (high
power and very high sensitivity), but the issue would be the ability of
the users
It is interesting Rick and creative, but with all due respect, you are
not building a network that you are going to be able to sell most likely
or at least certainly not for a good price. As well, you can't offer
advanced services if you want to grow into them. Rick, it is a serious
question: what
On Fri, 1 Dec 2006, Patrick Leary wrote:
reduced truck roll,
Where are you getting this?
I have been in the ISP business longer than MOST people on this
list. I have nothing bad to say about Alvarion equipment, but the
fact is, that to use Alvarion gear in any network I would build, you
Why can't I sell what I've built ?Because it doesn't brag on the
Alvarion name ? Please.
As for growth path, I've got rooftop leases for these repeaters. They're
legally guaranteed for 30 yrs in most cases. Sheesh, in some cases, the
houses will fall down before the equipment dies.
I
Why do you have to have the router? The DSL and cable guys don't provide
routers (not without extra fees). I provide my own in my home. At work
we have our own router.
VL also can do VLAN, all the way to QinQ 802.3ad VLANs. It does 802.1q.
It does layer 2 802.1p. Layer 3 prioritization with IP
I appreciate the honest criticism, really, but the situation about your
network being at an equity disadvantage is very real. You CAN sell it,
but you won't find many eager buyers and you won't get a good price. An
Alvarion network does bring a higher value. I'm sure Moto networks may
fetch an
I have heard of people using something resembling a ping pong ball, pressure on
one end and vacuum on the other to push a small string/ribbon through. Once
that is done you just pull bigger string until you get the size you want.
John
-Original Message-
From: chris cooper
Why provide routers? To improve the isolation of the user from the
network. To filter and control packets at the customer end before they
clog up my wireless bandwidth. We run private IP space on our wireless
network for the same reasons.
We provide anti-virus and anti-spyware software for
Equity value is only important to those who wish to build and sell
Those of us who just wish to make a living don't care so much about
re-sale value. We are more interested in income.
Patrick Leary wrote:
I appreciate the honest criticism, really, but the situation about your
network
Patrick, How much are your A/P's going for in the 5.8 range?
Superior Wireless
New Orleans,La.
www.superior1.com
- Original Message -
From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 12:00 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz
You missed the thread though Blair. Our CPEs are as low as $245 complete
and only $285 for very low volume (25 a quarter). We have AUs now also
for about $2500 MSRP (list price). And we can filter and control packets
without a router, including broadcast packet rate limiting.
Patrick Leary
AVP
On 12/2/06, Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I appreciate the honest criticism, really, but the situation about your
network being at an equity disadvantage is very real. You CAN sell it,
but you won't find many eager buyers and you won't get a good price. An
Alvarion network does bring a
On Fri, 1 Dec 2006, Patrick Leary wrote:
Why do you have to have the router? The DSL and cable guys don't
provide routers (not without extra fees). I provide my own in my
home. At work we have our own router.
I provide a router because that is the best network design and it
offers ME an
No, at the moment just anecdotal.
Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Dylan Oliver
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 10:41 PM
but only always with the best and most sincere of intentions.
Is that a better subject line Butch? :) Anyway, time for me to quit the
thread since it is not headed in any positive direction, whether or not
it is of my making.
G'night.
Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
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