Re: [WISPA] OFF LIST Predictive placement and heat mapping software OFF LIST
Re-reading your email, no there are not any produced maps other than a few cities I ran some investigative maps for to check the methodology in comparison to other data I had. The maps need to be generated based on the area of interest. The way the data gets sampled and resampled to create the color shading is related to the total number of records, and the ranges of the values in that subset. For instance looking at a county and making a map and then just clipping out data only for a city within that county a new map gets created. If one wanted to look at just the downtown area yet another map has to be generated. This currently is a manual process. Thank You, Brian Webster From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2018 10:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFF LIST Predictive placement and heat mapping software OFF LIST Freudian slip.! :) . I for one found it educational. Is there a place one can see these 5g maps easily for an area ? Thanks. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net _ From: "Brian Webster" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 10:44:33 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFF LIST Predictive placement and heat mapping softwareOFF LIST Crap and you have to remember to change the address. Apologies to the list……. Thank You, Brian Webster From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 10:30 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFF LIST Predictive placement and heat mapping software OFF LIST Bryan, Since they get touchy if we self-promote our own solutions on the list I am sending this to you off list. Here is a blog I published two weeks ago talking about a solution I have developed that may addresses your question if you are looking for placement based on need. For other RF predictions there are a few solutions. 3D RF modeling cuts down your options, actual field survey data and post modeling can also be done in quite a few ways but Ekahu seems to have a popular solution for in building surveying and coverage mapping. Are you looking for indoor or outdoor solutions? Feel free to call and discuss in detail if you want. https://brianwebsterconsulting.wordpress.com/2018/07/12/where-will-the-5g-networks-be-built-carriers-are-not-the-only-ones-who-know/ Thank You, Brian Webster 214 Eggleston Hill Rd. Cooperstown, NY 13326 (607) 643-4055 Office (607) 435-3988 Mobile (208) 692-1898 Fax Skype: Radiowebst www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Brooks Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 3:29 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Predictive placement and heat mapping software What are folks using these days for predictive wifi heatmapping (preferably 3D) and post- install wifi heatmapping? Regards, Bryan Bryan Brooks Pavlov Media 217-530-1946 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] OFF LIST Predictive placement and heat mapping software OFF LIST
The carriers all publish their own mapping and apps on their web sites. 5G having not been accurately defined is not on those apps but 3G and 4G are. Usually you have to click on a tab to show that layer only. I used the term 5G in the blog to get some of the clueless people to pay attention. In reality it’s more small cells and network densification. The densification is being done only where capacity increase is needed. It does not have to be ubiquitous over the whole network. Those maps were shown to some carriers and their reaction, they were a bit surprised. One person who I know has been diving deep using their own switch data was surprised to find out we knew what they thought was only known internally to the company. Let’s just say they were not happy because it related to setting rent rates for locating small cells. The method can help municipalities level the playing field and get the best rents for the prime locations. A fact the carriers were hoping to keep secret. Thank You, Brian Webster From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2018 10:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFF LIST Predictive placement and heat mapping software OFF LIST Freudian slip.! :) . I for one found it educational. Is there a place one can see these 5g maps easily for an area ? Thanks. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net _ From: "Brian Webster" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 10:44:33 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFF LIST Predictive placement and heat mapping softwareOFF LIST Crap and you have to remember to change the address. Apologies to the list……. Thank You, Brian Webster From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 10:30 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFF LIST Predictive placement and heat mapping software OFF LIST Bryan, Since they get touchy if we self-promote our own solutions on the list I am sending this to you off list. Here is a blog I published two weeks ago talking about a solution I have developed that may addresses your question if you are looking for placement based on need. For other RF predictions there are a few solutions. 3D RF modeling cuts down your options, actual field survey data and post modeling can also be done in quite a few ways but Ekahu seems to have a popular solution for in building surveying and coverage mapping. Are you looking for indoor or outdoor solutions? Feel free to call and discuss in detail if you want. https://brianwebsterconsulting.wordpress.com/2018/07/12/where-will-the-5g-networks-be-built-carriers-are-not-the-only-ones-who-know/ Thank You, Brian Webster 214 Eggleston Hill Rd. Cooperstown, NY 13326 (607) 643-4055 Office (607) 435-3988 Mobile (208) 692-1898 Fax Skype: Radiowebst www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Brooks Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 3:29 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Predictive placement and heat mapping software What are folks using these days for predictive wifi heatmapping (preferably 3D) and post- install wifi heatmapping? Regards, Bryan Bryan Brooks Pavlov Media 217-530-1946 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] OFF LIST Predictive placement and heat mapping software OFF LIST
Wish the recall message thing actually worked in situations like this…. Thank You, Brian Webster From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 10:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFF LIST Predictive placement and heat mapping software OFF LIST Whoops. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 31, 2018, 10:30 PM Brian Webster wrote: ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] OFF LIST Predictive placement and heat mapping software OFF LIST
Crap and you have to remember to change the address. Apologies to the list... Thank You, Brian Webster From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 10:30 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFF LIST Predictive placement and heat mapping software OFF LIST Bryan, Since they get touchy if we self-promote our own solutions on the list I am sending this to you off list. Here is a blog I published two weeks ago talking about a solution I have developed that may addresses your question if you are looking for placement based on need. For other RF predictions there are a few solutions. 3D RF modeling cuts down your options, actual field survey data and post modeling can also be done in quite a few ways but Ekahu seems to have a popular solution for in building surveying and coverage mapping. Are you looking for indoor or outdoor solutions? Feel free to call and discuss in detail if you want. https://brianwebsterconsulting.wordpress.com/2018/07/12/where-will-the-5g-ne tworks-be-built-carriers-are-not-the-only-ones-who-know/ Thank You, Brian Webster 214 Eggleston Hill Rd. Cooperstown, NY 13326 (607) 643-4055 Office (607) 435-3988 Mobile (208) 692-1898 Fax Skype: Radiowebst <http://www.wirelessmapping.com> www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Brooks Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 3:29 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Predictive placement and heat mapping software What are folks using these days for predictive wifi heatmapping (preferably 3D) and post- install wifi heatmapping? Regards, Bryan Bryan Brooks Pavlov Media 217-530-1946 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] OFF LIST Predictive placement and heat mapping software OFF LIST
Bryan, Since they get touchy if we self-promote our own solutions on the list I am sending this to you off list. Here is a blog I published two weeks ago talking about a solution I have developed that may addresses your question if you are looking for placement based on need. For other RF predictions there are a few solutions. 3D RF modeling cuts down your options, actual field survey data and post modeling can also be done in quite a few ways but Ekahu seems to have a popular solution for in building surveying and coverage mapping. Are you looking for indoor or outdoor solutions? Feel free to call and discuss in detail if you want. https://brianwebsterconsulting.wordpress.com/2018/07/12/where-will-the-5g-ne tworks-be-built-carriers-are-not-the-only-ones-who-know/ Thank You, Brian Webster 214 Eggleston Hill Rd. Cooperstown, NY 13326 (607) 643-4055 Office (607) 435-3988 Mobile (208) 692-1898 Fax Skype: Radiowebst <http://www.wirelessmapping.com> www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Brooks Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 3:29 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Predictive placement and heat mapping software What are folks using these days for predictive wifi heatmapping (preferably 3D) and post- install wifi heatmapping? Regards, Bryan Bryan Brooks Pavlov Media 217-530-1946 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] SIC codes
SIC codes have been migrated to NAICS codes a number of years ago. That code could be 517312 but they reference having licensed spectrum. They do mention wireless internet providers specifically in the description though. https://siccode.com/en/naicscodes/517312/wireless-telecommunications-carrier s-except-satellite Thank You, Brian Webster 214 Eggleston Hill Rd. Cooperstown, NY 13326 (607) 643-4055 Office (607) 435-3988 Mobile (208) 692-1898 Fax Skype: Radiowebst <http://www.wirelessmapping.com> www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Joe Lenig Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 11:30 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] SIC codes Anyone know the SIC for a WISP? I see "Internet Service - 7374021" and I see Satellite Service has its own #, but nothing for WISP. -Joe Lenig ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Puerto Rico assistance
Daniel, I am heading up the WECAT response for this. Please send me an email to bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com. Gino Villarini is a large WISP on the island who has requested help. The problem is logistics right now. His replacement equipment is still stateside and we are working on ways to get it to him. He has asked that I coordinate the manpower resources and response. There are no scheduled commercial flights to the island yet. Until he gets the equipment there,. Having people show up is not prudent. He is working on a detailed manpower list for me once that equipment hits the island. Thank You, Brian Webster <http://www.wirelessmapping.com> www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Daniel K Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 7:10 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Puerto Rico assistance Back in 2005 Mac Dearman had organized some relief for the gulf coast after Hurricane Katrina -- I believe it was under an organization called RadioResponse, which I'm not finding much on now. I spent several weeks with them in Mississippi helping set up phones, communications, and computers for several of the shelters and helping some of the local WISPs get back on their feet. Does anyone know of anything similar for Puerto Rico? I don't have much for resources but do have an authorized climber certification and a strong electrical, mechanical, network, and WISP background that I'm sure could benefit any similar effort if there is one. Thanks, Dan ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] EIRP quick question
You are reading the rules correctly. While you can increase power with a wider channel, you also lose power on the receive side when the channel gets wider. Going from a 5 MHz wide channel to a 10 MHz wide channel you lose 3 dB in receive. So in that case the power increase is a wash due to the decrease in receiver signal. This is a power density thing. You will also limit your ability to move around if you have any interference as well when you have wider channels. 3 dB gain doubles your power and 3 dB loss cuts your receive signal level in half. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eduardo Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 4:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] EIRP quick question Hi guys, We’re reviewing one of our links that is using RocketM365 radio and a RD-3G-26 in each end. The link is using 5MHz channel width. Here is the question: Checking the FCC regulation part 90.1321 I found that the limitation of the EIRP is defined as follow: § 90.1321 Power and antenna limits. (a) Base and fixed stations are limited to 25 watts/25 MHz equivalent isotropically radiated power (EIRP). In any event, the peak EIRP power density shall not exceed 1 Watt in any one-megahertz slice of spectrum. What I understand from this text is that for instance, if the link is using a 25 MHz channel then the maximum EIRP is 25 W, and if the link was 10 MHz channel width then the maximum EIRP is 10 W. If I’m getting it right, our link can still increase the bandwidth changing the channel width to 10 or 25 MHz and still comply with the maximum EIRP establish by the regulation. I’m interpreting the limitation correctly? Thanks, Eduardo Mejia Webjogger Internet Services www.webjogger.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] What my spies are talking about
Remember, Verizon bought XO Communications. XO has 24 GHz and 39 GHz spectrum over most of the country, so now Verizon owns that spectrum. They seem to be taking the same approach Windstream and Google are for last mile connectivity, but Verizon owns the spectrum. Windstream is leasing spectrum in these same bands from Straightpath (http://straightpath39.com/) and Google is looking to build in 70 and 80 GHz with E-Band licenses. All of the sudden the WISP industry looks good enough for the big boys to do it too. Cambridge Networks has PTMP radios for these bands already, 600 meg per sector. Hang them on the fiber at the pole and create a very small cell type system. This will work great for backhaul on their Pico cellular network expansion for LTE/Cellular as well as a good tool for FTTH and Business class circuits. http://cbnl.com/vectastar-600 http://cbnl.com/vectastar-platform-introduction Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 3:19 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] What my spies are talking about On 1/25/2017 11:58 AM, Marco Coelho wrote: > Some of my friends at Verizon are talking a major shift in their Fiber > Deployment. > They have decided Fiber to the Home is non practical. They have > adopted a fiber to the pedestal scheme with the last part of the > connectivity being wireless to the home. Details on bands used have > not been provided, but that is apparently their new model. They have > sold their copper plant in Texas to Frontier as a part of this plan. > Interesting times. That's right. FiOS is basically over, for new builds. Too expensive. It is mostly down to some FTTPR (fiber to the press release). They told Boston that they would build FiOS there. Lots of good press last year. But they actually had built out some neighborhoods about a decade ago, and simply not activated it. So now they're activating it and claiming it's a new build. But in the meantime they are planning massive densification of their wireless capacity, using street light poles, and basically just building fiber to the pole. They've told this to Wall Street; they haven't made it clear to the locals. While 4G meant LTE, 5G apparently just means "whatever we do after deploying LTE, because 5 comes after 4". ATT has this "IP transition" plan which doesn't have much to do with IP. It basically means they're abandoning most of the copper, updating some short loops to U-Verse, and putting in a lot more wireless to replace the copper. It's not fiber speed but it's cheap. Both AT and Verizon are very very interested in 3.5 GHz CBRS, as well as millimeter wave for where that works. You may recall that a few months ago, AT announced a plan to put millimeter wave backhaul on top of utility poles, beaming pole to pole (about half a mile), and using the electrical wires as a sort of waveguide to help the signal. -- Fred R. Goldstein k1iofred "at" interisle.net Interisle Consulting Group +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Going Rate for Smaller Structures
You have to walk away from that site. If you cannot reasonably discuss this with a tower owner you never will. Your time will be much better spent on finding a new or even building a new location. If you run in to a zoning issue where they try to make you locate on the existing tower, most zoning laws have exemptions for when there is not a structural capability and/or it would place an economic hardship on the business. You may have to disclose more business details than you prefer but it is an option if you have to go that far. If people are convinced they have gold and you can't make the case that there have not been any carriers offering up those rates in recent years to be on their site, then they will have to learn that the hard way. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 7:33 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Going Rate for Smaller Structures On 1/11/17 15:56, Tim wrote: > Free internet > Warranty on all equipment > > Would not do a per sub. The trust factor is to high risk. > > How do you guys handle people that have been poisoned by what cell companies pay? Like if someone says they need at least $2,500/mo from you because that's what they would get from Verizon/AT/Sprint. I usually want to say if a cell company wanted to be at your site they probably would have by now, but I say something like they have a bigger subscriber base than we do and we're only looking to target X customers in this area vs. thousands of mobile devices. ~Seth ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Number of Census Blocks Covered?
Here is an analysis we did in Illinois of the various technologies within the state and the household densities those technology footprints represent. Analysis Results for Illinois Based on Round 9 data TECHNOLOGY HOUSING UNITS PER SQMI % OF HOMES PASSED % AREA DSL (T10, T20) 150 93.4 53.5 Other Copper (T30) 1093 61.9 4.9 CABLE (T40, T41) 483 91.5 16.3 FTTH (T50) 256 13.8 4.6 SATELLITE (T60) 86 100.0 100.0 Fixed Wireless (T70, T71) 93 95.1 87.9 Mobile Wireless (T80) 86 100.0 99.4 Broadband Over Power line (T90) 449 0.1 0.0 NOT SERVED 5 0.3 4.6 Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jim Patient Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 12:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Number of Census Blocks Covered? So 32.8 blocks per square mile. Over 4 times the density in our area. What are you big sky western folks seeing? Jim From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brett Woollum Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 4:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Number of Census Blocks Covered? I had 6,000+ for our suburban area which includes 183sq mi and 490k population. I imagine our blocks are much denser than a rural area, for example. http://community.ubnt.com/t5/Business-Talk/New-FCC-477-Filing-Requirements-Data-Conversion-Tools-SOLVED/m-p/1013743#U1013743 Brett Woollum Senior Sales Engineer br...@tekify.com Tekify Broadband Internet Services Web: http://www.tekify.com Phone: 510-266-5800, ext 6200 http://www.tekify.com/images/email_signatures/Tekify_broadband_sig.jpg _ From: Jim Patient jpati...@linktechs.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org, memb...@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 2:03:00 PM Subject: [WISPA] Number of Census Blocks Covered? Our actual RF coverage area is 702 square miles. This is 5503 census blocks that we have service available in and not just blocks we have subscribers in. That comes to about 7.83 blocks per square mile on average. Just curious if y'all are seeing this many blocks per square mile in other areas? Be sure you're not under submitting on the 477 fixed broadband deployment section. This is for areas you can provide service in and not only blocks you have subscribers in. We don't want to under represent our ability to provide service in these areas. Jim Patient Office: 314-735-0270 linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ towercoverage.com http://www.towercoverage.com/ ispradio.com http://www.ispradio.com/ ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end
I don’t see it as a beginning to an end, it’s an enhanced option for a low cost data plan. Ala Carte if you will, the consumer may just do a bulk of their data use on something like Facebook and minimally for other uses. Why pay for a whopping big data plan when you may not need it. Get a decent base price program and then bump up where you want it. This may work well for audio in the car. Should be cheaper than Satellite radio. Don’t vilify something like this, if it becomes more commonplace carriers on any type of network may be able to increase their ARPU for low data use customers by changing their billing model. You don’t go to a fast food restaurant and pay one price for access to the menu by weight knowing you cannot eat all that weight, you just buy what you need. The video content companies need to go to this eventually to stem the massive erosion of the cable video subscribers, but they are going to milk that cash cow as long as they can. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 10:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end http://www.droid-life.com/2014/07/30/12-a-month-for-facebook-sprint-tramples-over-net-neutrality-with-new-prepaid-plan/?utm_source=feedburner http://www.droid-life.com/2014/07/30/12-a-month-for-facebook-sprint-tramples-over-net-neutrality-with-new-prepaid-plan/?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+DroidLife+%28Droid+Life%29utm_content=FaceBook utm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+DroidLife+%28Droid+Life%29utm_content=FaceBook Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile Wi-Fi calling
I don’t remember the actual protocol but it is in the standards for cellular somewhere. This company www.republicwireless.com is doing it with CDMA as well. I have been a beta tester for them since their inception. It works and works well on just about any Wi-Fi connection that does not have horrible latency. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Coenraad Loubser Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 2:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] T-Mobile Wi-Fi calling Has anyone looked at exactly how T-Mobile's Wi-Fi Calling works? http://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-1680 I'm interested in what protocols they use, if there are any special provisions possible on the Wi-Fi network side, how reliable it is, and how seamlessly it works on your networks? Reason being, IOS 8 is adding similar functionality. Isn't this bound to rock the voice boat somewhat, and start re-slicing the pie? On a related note, is anyone invoicing any of the incumbents for data used by their customers in some sort of data offloading agreement, yet? Regards Coenraad Loubser WISH Networks (Pty) Ltd. 2nd Floor, Merriman Place, Cnr. Merriman Bird Str, Stellenbosch, 7600, ZA Office: 087 805 7480 Skype: Wish_Support Email: mailto:coenr...@wish.org.za coenr...@wish.org.za Cell: 073 772 1223 (By appointment) Web: http://wish.org.za/ http://wish.org.za -- Spending Money is like watering a plant. Your money is your ultimate ballot. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile Wi-Fi calling
It does allow your cellular text messaging to work as well. For those who do have to take calls for work and such it’s nice when they are in areas that cellular coverage is lacking or spotty like basements and such. For a company say like a small WISP that answers their business phones while they are out working, it serves a good purpose, especially at tower sites where you may not have cell coverage but have Wi-Fi running on site for data connectivity. Surprisingly enough Josh not everyone is a 20 something who is glued to their apps and social media sites or email ;-) Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 1:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile Wi-Fi calling Seems pointless nowadays to do any of this, so I know I am not expecting it to happen with ATT or Verizon. Who uses voice minutes any more? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Brian Webster i...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: I don’t remember the actual protocol but it is in the standards for cellular somewhere. This company www.republicwireless.com is doing it with CDMA as well. I have been a beta tester for them since their inception. It works and works well on just about any Wi-Fi connection that does not have horrible latency. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Coenraad Loubser Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 2:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] T-Mobile Wi-Fi calling Has anyone looked at exactly how T-Mobile's Wi-Fi Calling works? http://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-1680 I'm interested in what protocols they use, if there are any special provisions possible on the Wi-Fi network side, how reliable it is, and how seamlessly it works on your networks? Reason being, IOS 8 is adding similar functionality. Isn't this bound to rock the voice boat somewhat, and start re-slicing the pie? On a related note, is anyone invoicing any of the incumbents for data used by their customers in some sort of data offloading agreement, yet? Regards Coenraad Loubser WISH Networks (Pty) Ltd. 2nd Floor, Merriman Place, Cnr. Merriman Bird Str, Stellenbosch, 7600, ZA Office: 087 805 7480 Skype: Wish_Support Email: mailto:coenr...@wish.org.za coenr...@wish.org.za Cell: 073 772 1223 (By appointment) Web: http://wish.org.za/ http://wish.org.za -- Spending Money is like watering a plant. Your money is your ultimate ballot. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Google luring Business Market with Wifi gear?
I have been a beta tester from the early days as well. Great product and it does roam on to the Verizon network when you don’t have Sprint coverage. The rest of my Verizon phones will be moving to Republic when the contracts are up. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Bailey Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 8:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google luring Business Market with Wifi gear? I've had 2 lines with Republic since the early beta. Upgraded them to Moto-X's and couldn't be happier! On Friday, May 23, 2014 7:16 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: They've been doing this for a couple years now. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com _ From: TJ Trout t...@pcguys.us To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 12:58:49 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google luring Business Market with Wifi gear? I've been wonding when this would happen, hopefully this will go main stream, I don't know why it hasn't already. All networks are suffering and wifi offload seems like an answer. I want to be able to make calls like I'm on network but when I only have wifi coverage. On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 7:57 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: https://republicwireless.com/ Sprint MVNO with WiFi - cellular handoffs. Also tried to resell\white-label and they weren't ready for that either. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com http://www.ics-il.com/ _ From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 6:24:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google luring Business Market with Wifi gear? What bandwidth.com http://bandwidth.com/ do? I don’t seem to grasp the whole deal… Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com/ @aeronetpr From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thursday, May 22, 2014 at 6:46 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google luring Business Market with Wifi gear? *nods* I reached out to the guys that Bandwidth.com started up, but they said they were too early in the business to worry about stuff like that. Hotspot 2.0 (according to the hype) could be nice for us - doing last mile to the WiFi networks. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com http://www.ics-il.com/ _ From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 12:17:30 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google luring Business Market with Wifi gear? I think this is something Wispa could/should manage as part of WISPA strategic/business development area Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com/ @aeronetpr From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thursday, May 22, 2014 at 12:29 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google luring Business Market with Wifi gear? The future is going to be interesting for sure. A few questions come to mind. Is there a business model where WISP’s can partner with a Google or Microsoft to help advance our offerings or would you be just selling your soul to Satan. How do you compete against that level of investment if they start putting up hotspots to offload from the LTE networks in your area since that will most likely destroy 2.4 and 5.7-8 bands. Steve Barnes General Manager PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. From:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 12:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Google luring Business Market with Wifi gear? http://gigaom.com/2014/05/21/google-reportedly-plans-to-target-businesses-with-wi-fi/? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com/ @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Google luring Business Market with Wifi gear?
That is their drawback for some and the reason being they have to build a custom ROM that has their Wi-Fi programming in it and then they have to get Sprint to test and approve the phone for their network. The availability of the Moto X and G phones along with the older DefyXT give a little more choice than when they started service. My son just received his MotoG and loves it. Doesn't do 4G data but Sprint has not upgraded their network here anyway. My older kids will be getting Republic phones by the end of summer. This will shave $150 a month from my cell phone costs and since we all have Android phones now it's not a major change. I will just lose my slide out keyboard. The big plus will be not having to worry about the kids going over on the shared data plan. They are good about that now but it is one less worry. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Martha Huizenga Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 10:35 AM To: Jason Bailey; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google luring Business Market with Wifi gear? the CEO of republic wireless spoke at the WIFI conference in DC a couple of weeks ago. Seemed like a pretty amazing service. If I could use my existing phone I would sign up! Martha Huizenga 202-546-5898 DC Access, LLC http://www.dcaccess.net/ Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet! Connecting the Capitol Hill Community Join us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/DCAccess or follow us on Twitter http://twitter.com/dcaccess Is your Message Lost in Cyberspace? Promote your business locally with HillAds http://www.hillads.com On 5/23/2014 8:19 AM, Jason Bailey wrote: I've had 2 lines with Republic since the early beta. Upgraded them to Moto-X's and couldn't be happier! On Friday, May 23, 2014 7:16 AM, Mike Hammett mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: They've been doing this for a couple years now. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com _ From: TJ Trout mailto:t...@pcguys.us t...@pcguys.us To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 12:58:49 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google luring Business Market with Wifi gear? I've been wonding when this would happen, hopefully this will go main stream, I don't know why it hasn't already. All networks are suffering and wifi offload seems like an answer. I want to be able to make calls like I'm on network but when I only have wifi coverage. On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 7:57 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: https://republicwireless.com/ Sprint MVNO with WiFi - cellular handoffs. Also tried to resell\white-label and they weren't ready for that either. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com http://www.ics-il.com/ _ From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 6:24:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google luring Business Market with Wifi gear? What bandwidth.com http://bandwidth.com/ do? I don't seem to grasp the whole deal. Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com/ @aeronetpr From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thursday, May 22, 2014 at 6:46 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google luring Business Market with Wifi gear? *nods* I reached out to the guys that Bandwidth.com started up, but they said they were too early in the business to worry about stuff like that. Hotspot 2.0 (according to the hype) could be nice for us - doing last mile to the WiFi networks. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com http://www.ics-il.com/ _ From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 12:17:30 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google luring Business Market with Wifi gear? I think this is something Wispa could/should manage as part of WISPA strategic/business development area Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com/ @aeronetpr From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thursday, May 22, 2014 at 12:29 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google luring Business Market with Wifi gear? The future is going to be interesting for sure. A few questions come to mind. Is there a business model where WISP's can partner with a Google or Microsoft to help advance our offerings or would you be just selling your soul to Satan. How do you compete against that level of investment if they start putting up hotspots to offload
Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's
American Tower spoke at the Mid Atlantic WISA Conference last week. They did say that rents are going to be location based, meaning that areas where their tower may be the only game in town due to zoning restriction you will pay more. If the tower is very rural and they don’t have a lot or requests for space on it (and in some areas the towers are actually empty) they are much more willing to talk about lower rent. They did also mention something about any fees being able to be billed over 12 months. They also said that they have done deals where they do a graduated rent increase in the first couple of years to give the WISP a break until they get a revenue stream going on that site. While there will be a lot of WISP’s who will say they can still build their own towers cheaper, being able to use a major commercial tower company in a way that is at least in the ballpark for a WISP business model is a major leap in the right direction compared to years past. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 11:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's For $750 / month and 4k startup i'll put up a tower and sell space on it. Geez. Can't even get rent here for that in some parts of town - Original Message - From: Zach Underwood mailto:z...@zachunderwood.me To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's Example. I got pricing from ATC for 200 foot of 250 foot tower in a in a very well to do part of town for $750 mrc. Setup cost was $4k. On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: How pricing looked like? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Zach Underwood z...@zachunderwood.me Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Friday, May 23, 2014 at 10:50 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's http://www.americantower.com/corporateus/solutions/solutions-for-industries/wireless-internet-service-providers/index.htm On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net wrote: American tower, yes On May 23, 2014 9:42 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Who has the Wisp friendly program? American Towers? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA) cheapvpscloud.com http://cheapvpscloud.com/link.php?id=1 My website http://zachunderwood.me/ ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA) cheapvpscloud.com http://cheapvpscloud.com/link.php?id=1 My website http://zachunderwood.me/ _ ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's
At their presentation they mentioned having lower rent the first year, then bumping it in years two and three up to the final rate. I do know they were mentioning rent rates much lower than the typical cellular rates quoted in years past. You need to get in touch with the WISP program director at American Tower thought as some of the regional market people may not be aware of the program for WISP’s. Rick would have that contact person, I can’t seem to find it. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 3:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's Brian when you say they do graduated rent increase what do you mean by that? because alot of times its cheaper to rent space from village on there water towers or build your own for that 600-1000 per month from American Tower Co. Tim _ -Original Message- From: Brian Webster i...@wirelessmapping.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Date: 05/23/14 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's American Tower spoke at the Mid Atlantic WISA Conference last week. They did say that rents are going to be location based, meaning that areas where their tower may be the only game in town due to zoning restriction you will pay more. If the tower is very rural and they don't have a lot or requests for space on it (and in some areas the towers are actually empty) they are much more willing to talk about lower rent. They did also mention something about any fees being able to be billed over 12 months. They also said that they have done deals where they do a graduated rent increase in the first couple of years to give the WISP a break until they get a revenue stream going on that site. While there will be a lot of WISP's who will say they can still build their own towers cheaper, being able to use a major commercial tower company in a way that is at least in the ballpark for a WISP business model is a major leap in the right direction compared to years past. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 11:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's For $750 / month and 4k startup i'll put up a tower and sell space on it. Geez. Can't even get rent here for that in some parts of town - Original Message - From:Zach Underwood mailto:z...@zachunderwood.me To:WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent:Friday, May 23, 2014 10:07 AM Subject:Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's Example. I got pricing from ATC for 200 foot of 250 foot tower in a in a very well to do part of town for $750 mrc. Setup cost was $4k. On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: How pricing looked like? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From:Zach Underwood z...@zachunderwood.me Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Friday, May 23, 2014 at 10:50 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's http://www.americantower.com/corporateus/solutions/solutions-for-industries/wireless-internet-service-providers/index.htm On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net wrote: American tower, yes On May 23, 2014 9:42 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Who has the Wisp friendly program? American Towers? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA) cheapvpscloud.com http://cheapvpscloud.com/link.php?id=1 My website http://zachunderwood.me/ ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA) cheapvpscloud.com http://cheapvpscloud.com/link.php?id=1 My website http://zachunderwood.me/ _ ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless _ ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list
Re: [WISPA] Google luring Business Market with Wifi gear?
I haven’t found an area on Verizon where it won’t roam yet. The sprint coverage around rural NY is spotty at best off the interstate corridors but Verizon Coverage is strong, roams just fine with both data and voice. If you search the republic blog on their site they actually go in to detail about how many of their customers do this and the minutes used over the whole, they say it still falls well within their business model. The real neat thing about Republic is that the voice and texts also work over Wi-Fi, that means if you are in a no cell coverage area but can connect to Wi-Fi you now have cell coverage without having to use a FemToCell home base station connected to broadband. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of TJ Trout Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 1:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google luring Business Market with Wifi gear? Ahh I did a search. You can roam onto verizon towers which sprint has roaming agreements on. This wouldn't be the entire network though. Probably just in small towns where verizon already has a network and sprint didn't think it was worth building in (low usage areas) On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 9:56 AM, TJ Trout t...@pcguys.us wrote: Roam onto verizon but your main network is sprint? Are you positive about that? Seems unlikely. On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 9:01 AM, Brian Webster i...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: That is their drawback for some and the reason being they have to build a custom ROM that has their Wi-Fi programming in it and then they have to get Sprint to test and approve the phone for their network. The availability of the Moto X and G phones along with the older DefyXT give a little more choice than when they started service. My son just received his MotoG and loves it. Doesn’t do 4G data but Sprint has not upgraded their network here anyway. My older kids will be getting Republic phones by the end of summer. This will shave $150 a month from my cell phone costs and since we all have Android phones now it’s not a major change. I will just lose my slide out keyboard. The big plus will be not having to worry about the kids going over on the shared data plan. They are good about that now but it is one less worry. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Martha Huizenga Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 10:35 AM To: Jason Bailey; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google luring Business Market with Wifi gear? the CEO of republic wireless spoke at the WIFI conference in DC a couple of weeks ago. Seemed like a pretty amazing service. If I could use my existing phone I would sign up! Martha Huizenga 202-546-5898 DC Access, LLC http://www.dcaccess.net/ Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet! Connecting the Capitol Hill Community Join us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/DCAccess or follow us on Twitter http://twitter.com/dcaccess Is your Message Lost in Cyberspace? Promote your business locally with HillAds http://www.hillads.com On 5/23/2014 8:19 AM, Jason Bailey wrote: I've had 2 lines with Republic since the early beta. Upgraded them to Moto-X's and couldn't be happier! On Friday, May 23, 2014 7:16 AM, Mike Hammett mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: They've been doing this for a couple years now. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com _ From: TJ Trout mailto:t...@pcguys.us t...@pcguys.us To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 12:58:49 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google luring Business Market with Wifi gear? I've been wonding when this would happen, hopefully this will go main stream, I don't know why it hasn't already. All networks are suffering and wifi offload seems like an answer. I want to be able to make calls like I'm on network but when I only have wifi coverage. On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 7:57 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: https://republicwireless.com/ Sprint MVNO with WiFi - cellular handoffs. Also tried to resell\white-label and they weren't ready for that either. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com http://www.ics-il.com/ _ From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 6:24:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google luring Business Market with Wifi gear? What bandwidth.com http://bandwidth.com/ do? I don’t seem to grasp the whole deal… Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com/ @aeronetpr From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Reply-To: WISPA General List
Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
Matt, Signals do change as you change height as you expose or conceal the even number Fresnel zones. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 3:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? Signals don't change as you increment heights. You're asking for real time foliage mapping. Not going to find it. On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is. What I'm getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to just punch in the location and then see if they'll work at ground level or how high we need to get off the ground and see the signal change as I increment height. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote: Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk u through later today. Our websire customer lookup... http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223 http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223Acct=2910 Acct=2910 On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly. I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
Fresnel zones are 180 degrees out of phase with even and odd numbered zones (1st, 2nd, 3rd and so on). When you design a path you strive for an exposed Fresnel zone of between 1 and .6 of the first zone, meaning you use the ground/trees/obstructions to block the second and higher numbered zones (this is only partially blocking the zone at the bottom). This minimizes the cancelling effect giving an apparent gain. A good visual example of this is to take a Flashlight such as a Mag light with an adjustable beam and shine it against the wall to see the circular pattern. Carefully look at that pattern and you will see light and dark rings, these are your Fresnel zones and the lighter ones are the odd numbered zones. The idea is you keep the first bright zone and eliminate the rest. This is why going higher is not always better on a PTP path to get more signal once you have cleared obstructions, going higher can expose more even numbered Fresnel zones with the phase cancelling and a reduction in signal due to same. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes [mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com] Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 9:07 AM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? Can you explain this more? This isn't what I was getting at... but since you brought it up and it's been brought up before it might be worth explaining in more detail. I'm familiar with the concept but still can't grasp why it works. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 4/10/14, 9:04 AM, Brian Webster wrote: Matt, Signals do change as you change height as you expose or conceal the even number Fresnel zones. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes *Sent:* Wednesday, April 09, 2014 3:24 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? Signals don't change as you increment heights. You're asking for real time foliage mapping. Not going to find it. On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is. What I'm getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to just punch in the location and then see if they'll work at ground level or how high we need to get off the ground and see the signal change as I increment height. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com mailto:cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote: Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk u through later today. Our websire customer lookup... http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223Acct=2910 On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly. I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
Not really, Fresnel zone size is a function of frequency and distance between the two end points. The zone is football shaped with the widest part of the zone half way between the two end points. Antenna patterns have nothing to do with Fresnel zone size. Here is a Fresnel Zone size calculator with a good basic illustration: http://www.wirelessconnections.net/calcs/FresnelZone.asp Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: Clay Stewart [mailto:cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com] Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 2:02 PM To: Brian Webster; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? Yes, good way to look at it Brian, thanks. So, is there a minimum height per frequency... say for 900Mhz you should never shoot less then x feet', like less then 6'? On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: Fresnel zones are 180 degrees out of phase with even and odd numbered zones (1st, 2nd, 3rd and so on). When you design a path you strive for an exposed Fresnel zone of between 1 and .6 of the first zone, meaning you use the ground/trees/obstructions to block the second and higher numbered zones (this is only partially blocking the zone at the bottom). This minimizes the cancelling effect giving an apparent gain. A good visual example of this is to take a Flashlight such as a Mag light with an adjustable beam and shine it against the wall to see the circular pattern. Carefully look at that pattern and you will see light and dark rings, these are your Fresnel zones and the lighter ones are the odd numbered zones. The idea is you keep the first bright zone and eliminate the rest. This is why going higher is not always better on a PTP path to get more signal once you have cleared obstructions, going higher can expose more even numbered Fresnel zones with the phase cancelling and a reduction in signal due to same. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes [mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com] Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 9:07 AM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? Can you explain this more? This isn't what I was getting at... but since you brought it up and it's been brought up before it might be worth explaining in more detail. I'm familiar with the concept but still can't grasp why it works. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 4/10/14, 9:04 AM, Brian Webster wrote: Matt, Signals do change as you change height as you expose or conceal the even number Fresnel zones. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes *Sent:* Wednesday, April 09, 2014 3:24 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? Signals don't change as you increment heights. You're asking for real time foliage mapping. Not going to find it. On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is. What I'm getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to just punch in the location and then see if they'll work at ground level or how high we need to get off the ground and see the signal change as I increment height. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com mailto:cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote: Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk u through later today. Our websire customer lookup... http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223 http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223Acct=2910 Acct=2910 On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly. I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions
Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The laws of physics work in your favor. Thank You, Brian Webster http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM To: Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we all know things work better when its quiet. This used to worry me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually install the stuff). I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it will be another any way. Thats what gives us the edge every day, flexibility. We will work around it, we always do. I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will continue to work fine. Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a 20-30db directional one. Still sucks though, you drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to them Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 http://www.flhsi.com/files/emaillogo.jpg _ From: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Are you seeing any impact from them? On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner. Already seeing that in our areas do a wireless scan and you see 354 5Ghz APs now in addition to the 2Ghz ones (they run dual band APs now). Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 http://www.flhsi.com/files/emaillogo.jpg _ From: Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of spectrum...[/sarcasm off] On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote: I hope the links at the bottom come through. --- Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz spectrum band to power next-generation Wi-Fi services that could allow it to deliver wireless broadband at speeds of up to 1 Gbps, SVP of Business Development Tom Nagel testified at a House Energy and Commerce hearing on Wednesday. Nagel disclosed in his prepared testimony that Comcast has expanded the number of Wi-Fi access points for Xfinity high-speed Internet customers to 350,000. The nation's largest cable MSO also began deploying wireless gateways from Cisco earlier this year that Comcast has said may be able to power millions of neighborhood hotspots. While Comcast already is already using the 5 GHz band, Nagel said it needs more of the unlicensed spectrum to meet demand from subscribers for Wi-Fi. It faces potential opposition from Toyota and other automobile manufacturers who want to use the 5 GHz band to deliver next-generation connected car applications, including applications that would warn drivers of collision threats. Toyota principal researcher John Kenney raised concerns about possible interference from Wi-Fi services at Wednesday's hearing. We have been actively engaged with the Wi-Fi community and other stakeholders who are exploring possible sharing solutions that will alleviate any risk of harmful interference from unlicensed devices. But we're not there yet and it's going to take a bit more time to see if we can get there, Kenney said in his prepared testimony. For more: - see Nagel's prepared testimony http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=207ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1b=0 j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0mt=2rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0rt=0 (.pdf) - see Kenney's prepared testimony http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=187ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1b=0 j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0mt=2rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0rt=0 (.pdf) - see Comcast blog post http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=118ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1b=0 j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0mt=2rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0rt=0 - Broadcasting Cable has this story http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=190ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1b=0 j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0mt=2rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0rt=0 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
I bid a lot of the RF work on these networks two years ago with another company (they got greedy on the bid, didn't win). They are building these networks to offer the fixed broadband customers a mobility component to help reduce churn with the cord cutting mentality crowd. If the low bandwidth users can do everything over their cell phone data plan, why would they need the cable company and cable internet? Now if they have FREE mobile data coverage in most of the places they go as part of their home broadband connection, it offers some added benefit and helps reduce their churn, which is part of the cost justification model for them. Given they don't have to pay any backhaul or pole rental costs for these, they only have the hardware, labor and power investment. They are using capital money they received from selling spectrum to Verizon a couple of years ago (a group of cable companies had a block of spectrum). These devices are clearly capable of multiple SSID's so another possible revenue stream will be to go to the cellular companies and offer their own SSID for cellular data network offload. Since these cable companies are building a large footprint per carrier in the most dense cellular data consumption markets, they have the best chance of making that type of program work. They will have the critical mass of network coverage to get the cell companies to want to pay for this offload rather than let the customer worry about it. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 11:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. We can only hope for A/C 80MHz channels to spread the signal way out but also pollute more. The ridiculous thing is 5GHz doesn't go through buildings... what is Comcast attempting to do here? Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 11/15/13, 11:46 AM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote: Having had the privilege of living through PGE's rollout of 900MHz smart meters we will be impacted, it's just hard to say how much. The PGE smart meters were essentially unity gain at full power. When it got into the 10's of thousands the AP saw -60dB across the board at 10 miles from the nearest smart meter. With 5GHz, we have a much higher FSL and there will not be nearly as many withing a given sector. Making a few assumptions here: Pole AP is 27dB into a 6dB omni at 30' off the ground WISP sector antenna is 17dB at 200' off the ground At 1 mile the WISP AP is going to see ~60dB. If comcast does succeed in getting more 5GHz spectrum, it will be good for us as well as it will spread the noise out a bit lowering overall noise. Better come up with a plan now as we will be affected. Comcast, like PGE is going to tell you they are in compliance and to call their lawyers On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Right... I as well.. that's why I don't know what the answer is. Everyone's in this game, but some just play (seemingly) unfair... for example, it doesn't help anyone when you just go throwing up APs on cable plants and blasting all over the town. On the other hand Comcast may say it doesn't make sence for you (the WISP) to go sticking these high gain antennas up on the tower and covering the town! Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 11/15/13, 11:19 AM, Eric Flanery wrote: How would you 'legally' define a WISP? What would make Comcast 'not a WISP', if they are delivering Internet over Wireless? If it's that they also deliver Internet over another medium, would we (and many other providers) also be excluded because we also deliver Internet over cable and fiber? If it's that they also provide TV service, then what about those of us that also run transport, hosting, development, and infrastructure services (examples among doubtless myriad others). Not that I wouldn't love some protected spectrum, I'm just having a hard time imagining anything that would prevent Comcast and the like from using it, while not also excluding quite a few of us. --Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. Yes and no... I mean... yeah it's a pain
Re: [WISPA] WISPALOOZA Video?
Rick, I would highly recommend you purchase the new frames for the go pros. They are not waterproof but allow you use the same mounting system yet leave the camera so that you can plug in a USB power supply while the camera is running, this will also expose the microphones for better audio recordings. http://gopro.com/camera-mounts/the-frame Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 7:39 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPALOOZA Video? Matt, I bought extended batteries for our GoPros to record the event without issue this time. They will be made available to WISPA Members. It won't be right away as it takes some time to process 50 or so 1 hour sessions. Where there is a Wisp, there is a way! Join Us at WISPAPALOOZA 2013 - Las Vegas, Oct 12-18 Respectfully, Rick Harnish Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 Option 2 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org adm...@wispa.org (Trina and Rick) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 5:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] WISPALOOZA Video? Will there be any video/youtube recording of WISPALOOZA this year? I am pretty sure not all out key people cannot make the fiber weekend and the conference. Very interested in the fiber weekend. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] ConnectEd
Right now the rule of thumb for adequate bandwidth to a school is 100k per student. Documenting what schools currently have is a hot topic for the national broadband map. We are diving deep on this topic in Illinois and it’s like herding cats. We did hear back from the Chicago City Schools and while we are trying to get a more definitive data set from them, they did state that the high school buildings typically have 50 meg and the elementary buildings 20 meg. There are many more elementary school buildings than high school buildings in Chicago so the student population at each location is different and this the different bandwidth. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Owen Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 3:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ConnectEd It will be an interesting discussion for sure. We currently have service built to many schools, most with the capacity to provide 100 + megs. Most schools are purchasing somewhere in the 5 – 20meg range as that is what they can afford, including their current subsidy from E-Rate. We are providing service to rural schools and they just can’t afford more. Not sure how the FCC feels these schools will be able to afford 100+ meg connections and beyond that, where does the money come from to continue to fund E-Rate with what are sure to be large increased demands on the funding to support these larger pipes. Kevin From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 12:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ConnectEd I think so. I asked the same question a few weeks ago and the response was something to the effect of, Is this something WISPA members want to respond to? The response seemed to be a resounding yes. Now I just hope that it's something that we can get a piece of vs. telling them to not do it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com _ From: Kevin Owen ko...@fsr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 1:42:13 PM Subject: [WISPA] ConnectEd Do we know if WISPA as an organization is currently reviewing or plans to review/make comments to the NPRM for the revisions to the E-Rate program. Is WISPA following the discussions concerning the Federal ConnectED program that wants to see a minimum connection standard to all schools and libraries of 100 megs with a 5 year goal of having access to 1 gig of available bandwidth for all schools and libraries? thanks, Kevin Owen First Step Internet, LLC ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] [AFMUG] NTIA reporting limit of 25Mbps for wireless networks
He is incorrect. The error check tool we states have to run will throw an error and the state has to make an exception record entry in to their submitted documentation but it does not prohibit any state from submitting data for fixed wireless carriers above 25 meg. I have done this for Illinois in the past. This is a common argument I have with the NTIA as they do not seem to keep up with the technology advancements in the fixed wireless world and thus their error check tool always seems to lag based on speeds reported. They have been limiting what MOBILE wireless carriers are allowed to report but that has been based upon the massive difference in claims of speed vs. the speed test data they have been gathering from their speed test app they give away for smart phone users. I have reviewed the speed test data for Illinois, and specifically the mobile data. The NTIA is correct in pushing the mobile wireless carriers to report a lot less than their claims. Last year they had a big meeting with the mobile wireless carriers where they hashed this issue out. The 25 meg rule was part of the result of those meetings. States cannot report mobile carriers at more than that but they most certainly can for fixed wireless. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: a...@afmug.com [mailto:a...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 1:49 PM To: a...@afmug.com; WISPA General List Subject: [AFMUG] NTIA reporting limit of 25Mbps for wireless networks I was just informed by Tom McKean of the State of Colorado broadband mapping agency OIT tom.mck...@state.co.us that the NTIA doesn't let them report any wireless plans as being faster than 25Mbps. We have deployed quite a bit of Canopy 450 this year and we have plans that are 30Mbps down and 10Mbps up. Are his statements correct? Why does the NTIA have an arbitrary limit for wireless networks? inquiring minds want to know! -sean ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Fixed Wireless growing faster than Cable and DSL
Remember when looking at stats like this that the cable and DSL industries have been doing this a lot longer and have already built up a large number of customers in a mature market. Say you have 8 thousand customers, to get a 7.2% increase you would have to add 576 customers. If you are a new fiber to the home or wireless operator and have 500 customers, you only need to add 100 customers to get a 20% increase. A fixed wireless operator with 1000 customers would only have to add 120 new subscribers to get that 12% increase. If you look at the year adds column in this article, the DSL industry had more than 4 million more new customers than cable but only posted half the growth rate percentage and still had over 9 million more new subscribers than fiber to the home. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 7:51 PM To: WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.org) Subject: [WISPA] Fixed Wireless growing faster than Cable and DSL http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2013/04/world-broadband-users-reach-643 -7-million-fuelled-by-fibre-optic-connectivity.html Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] FCC Connect America Fund -- It's Baaaackkkk!
The rule as it stands now is 3 meg down and 768 up. The 4 meg down and 1 meg up was something put in the National Broadband Plan by the white house team. Problem with that is the National Broadband Map (of which was already spec'd out when they wrote that plan) uses download speed tier breakouts of 3 and 6 meg and 768 and 1.5 meg. There will be no way to actually compute the 4 meg 1 meg rule unless they change the national broadband map AND they get all carriers to revise their reporting. The rule is not really 4 meg and 1 meg either, it's an aggregate to 5 meg, you could be doing 3 meg down and 2 up and meet the standard. Remember that is currently just your advertised maximum download and upload speed. Not all of your customers have to subscribe to that. A WISP even using 900 MHz could limit those plans to say only 1 to 5% of the customers on an AP and technically still be within the rules. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 11:59 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Connect America Fund -- It's Bc! At 11/30/2012 11:45 AM, Matt wrote: approach is used, you could comment that raising it from 768/200 to 4/1 is excessive, and perhaps say a 1.5/384 standard is more appropriate. Even Canopy 100 can probably claim that (if it's not loaded), though YMMV. Are you saying no one is providing service past 1.5/384 with Canopy 100? I'm referring to the 900 MHz version with a 4 Mbps one-way burst rate. That won't pass the 4/1 test. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] FCC Connect America Fund -- It's Baaaackkkk!
A WISP could also offer these speeds and raise the price for this plan to account for the total number of regular speed clients they might lose due to capacity issues with the higher speed plan. Nowhere do the rules state that you have to offer those speeds at any given price. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 3:27 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Connect America Fund -- It's Bc! The rule as it stands now is 3 meg down and 768 up. The 4 meg down and 1 meg up was something put in the National Broadband Plan by the white house team. Problem with that is the National Broadband Map (of which was already spec'd out when they wrote that plan) uses download speed tier breakouts of 3 and 6 meg and 768 and 1.5 meg. There will be no way to actually compute the 4 meg 1 meg rule unless they change the national broadband map AND they get all carriers to revise their reporting. The rule is not really 4 meg and 1 meg either, it's an aggregate to 5 meg, you could be doing 3 meg down and 2 up and meet the standard. Remember that is currently just your advertised maximum download and upload speed. Not all of your customers have to subscribe to that. A WISP even using 900 MHz could limit those plans to say only 1 to 5% of the customers on an AP and technically still be within the rules. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 11:59 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Connect America Fund -- It's Bc! At 11/30/2012 11:45 AM, Matt wrote: approach is used, you could comment that raising it from 768/200 to 4/1 is excessive, and perhaps say a 1.5/384 standard is more appropriate. Even Canopy 100 can probably claim that (if it's not loaded), though YMMV. Are you saying no one is providing service past 1.5/384 with Canopy 100? I'm referring to the 900 MHz version with a 4 Mbps one-way burst rate. That won't pass the 4/1 test. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] FCC Connect America Fund -- It's Baaaackkkk!
Rick, It is important to note that generating a coverage map(s) on Towercoverage.com does not create a map that is easily acceptable to the state mapping agencies and it certainly cannot just be uploaded to the national broadband map. There is a great deal of post processing work to make any of those usable for the National Broadband map. The site does export a nice list of tower sites and other data that is part of the required information to be submitted. Some states may still not accept the data from this site depending on the skills of their GIS and mapping contractors. We do not want to mislead WISP's in to thinking that if they sign up with that site that would all they need to do to supply mapping data and participating on that site does not guarantee that their mapping data will be included either. Thank you, Brian Webster Telecom Project Coordinator Partnership for Connected Illinois (217) 886-4228 Main Number (217) 886-4229 Direct Line (217) 718-4546 Fax http://www.BroadbandIllinois.org -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 5:45 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Connect America Fund -- It's Bc! Fred, I assure you the WISPA FCC Committee is indeed on this. You make great points and we appreciate your review. You are definitely correct, that WISPs NEED to get on the National Broadband Map NOW! Those that don't will be suffering from subsidized competition. Anyone who does not know who to contact, drop me a line. I have contacts now for all states. Maybe, I can get that list up on the WISPA website under WISP Resources. There is one now, but it is not complete. I now have 4-5 names per state I believe. The guys at towercoverage.com are making it easy and inexpensive to make your maps and get them uploaded to the National/State Maps as well. Where there is a Wisp, there is a way! Respectfully, Rick Harnish Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 Option 2 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org adm...@wispa.org (Trina and Rick) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 5:17 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] FCC Connect America Fund -- It's Bc! The FCC's home page ( transition.fcc.gov ) has an item about Connect America Fund, posted with no description. This turns out to be a further NPRM about Phase I funding. As you may recall, CAF Phase I was the short-term (2012) step that offered $775 per line to price-cap ILECs (the Bells and other big ones) to bring broadband to unserved areas that they otherwise wouldn't. It was budgeted for $300M but only about $115M was claimed, mostly by Frontier. The Bells didn't take much. CenturyLink however whined that the definition of served should be changed to specifically exclude areas WISPs, so they could get subsidy money to overbuild existing WISPs. The FCC turned that one down, though CenturyLink did take money for some other areas. The new Further Notice of Proposed Rulemaking: http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2012/db1119/FCC-12- 138A1.pdf asks what to do about the remaining Phase I money. While they could of course just not spend it, lowering the USF tax (now around 17%!), that's not one of the two options they are proposing to select from. One option is to simply add this funding to Phase II, which begins in 2013. Phase II allows for competition in the awarding of funds; there will be a reverse auction, and the bidder who asks for the least subsidy money gets it. Most of the FNPRM, however, is devoted to the other option, essentially a second round of Phase I. They propose changing Phase I rules to encourage the ILECs to take more money. There are a lot of questions about details, but the basic ideas are along these lines: 1) Redefine unserved to be anywhere that doesn't have 4/1 service, vs. 768k/200k in the first round. This would be based on the National Broadband Map, using 3M/768k as a surrogate for 4/1. (The agencies apparently hadn't agreed on speed tiers.) So an area served by a WISP at 2M/500k, or by Canopy 100s, would be deemed unserved, since it's not 4/1. 2) Allow challenges to the national map. So if an ILEC thinks an area is unserved even if a WISP claims it's served, they can argue the matter to the FCC. This works both ways, so I suppose an ISP could claim that the map omitted them by mistake. But it points out that a WISP SHOULD MAKE SURE ITS COVERAGE AREAS ARE ON THE MAP! (Just a little shouting in case anyone didn't hear it.) They are supposed to come out with a list of unserved areas (census blocks0 next month. There are some other interesting details. Phase I awards are $775 per
Re: [WISPA] [AFMUG] FCC broadband deployment report
The FCC report is based on round 4 data which would have been current as of June 2011. If you just submitted the last round they did not use that data for this report. This is the first report on broadband the FCC has done that does not use the 477 data. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: a...@afmug.com [mailto:a...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 5:29 PM To: wireless@wispa.org; a...@afmug.com; us...@wug.cc; color...@wispa.org Subject: [AFMUG] FCC broadband deployment report Hi all, Sorry for all the cross posts on multiple lists but this seems troubling to me. We submitted our coverage data to the state of Colorado and they submitted our data for the national map. However, this FCC broadband deployment report includes this map which doesn't show our coverage. Report: http://www.fcc.gov/reports/eighth-broadband-progress-report Map: http://www.fcc.gov/maps/section-706-fixed-broadband-deployment-map What gives??? WISPA??? Is anyone else noticing their coverage area is not included? Best regards, Sean Heskett ZIRKEL Wireless High-speed Internet www.zirkelwireless.com 970-871-8500 - Animal Farm Microwave Users Group - www.afmug.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] [AFMUG] RE: FCC broadband deployment report
Rick, Andrew is no longer with the NTIA. I took some time to review this FCC report and can shed some light on what problems people are seeing. First this data is compiled from round 4 which was current as of June 2011. If anyone updated or provided data to their states this last round, your data will not show in this report. Second, the data shown does include fixed wireless service but not satellite or cellular. What they appear to have done is create a merge of data. In the report they tried to replicate the 4 meg down 1 meg up national broadband plan set as the national goal. The national broadband map was created before the wonderful people who wrote that report had the brilliant idea of defining something that is not part of the map standards. Give that problem the FCC decided to use the category of 3 meg or greater as the download speed and 768 or greater as the upload speed. If any WISP has reported data in round 4 or earlier that does not meet those speed tiers, it was not used in this report. As with any mapping and report it is very important to read their methodology before throwing stones. I had to answer to some of our research people in Illinois today because the FCC report says 6% unserved in Illinois and my mapping data says 1%. Most of the difference is that we calculated using just the download speed tier information and the FCC further restricted areas they deemed served by adding in the 768 or greater upload requirement. Some WISP's get bumped off the map because of the upload requirements they used in their study. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: a...@afmug.com [mailto:a...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 6:19 PM To: 'WISPA General List'; a...@afmug.com; us...@wug.cc; color...@wispa.org Subject: [AFMUG] RE: [WISPA] FCC broadband deployment report Andrew, (Andrew MacRae from the NTIA is BCC'd) There seems to be some discrepancy in the Colorado and Michigan Data. Can you assist as to why Wisp coverage is not represented? Please read the email below my signature line. Also, here are some other comments from other providers. . Merrill, MI: Our coverage area is not displayed on that map. Is it only including wireline providers? . Jackson, MI: My coverage update for the 2nd to last round is not there, but the rest is. The map is for 3Meg svc. and up also. . Steamboat Springs: If you hover over a county a popup chart on the right shows up and displays the demographics for that county and % of broadband that is Fiber, Cable, DSL, or fixed wireless. both the counties we serve show 0% fixed wireless. . Yuma: wow, they have my area as covered as NON-Rural DSL and Cable no wireless links at all.. I think someone fixed the books on this info. As its completely BS.. 1. everything out here in our area is Rural.. 2. No wireless listed at ALL ( there are 2 providers ourselves and the telco to the south of us) 3. The local cable company has only a handful of customers 4. says that over 3500 folks in my county have NO internet.. Complete and total BS.. This is farm country and I'd PAY to find more than 50 homes that don't have internet. Again.. the books have been cooked, thanks to either bad info or competition. Where there is a Wisp, there is a way! Respectfully, Rick Harnish Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 Option 2 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org adm...@wispa.org (Trina and Rick) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 5:29 PM To: wireless@wispa.org; a...@afmug.com; us...@wug.cc; color...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] FCC broadband deployment report Hi all, Sorry for all the cross posts on multiple lists but this seems troubling to me. We submitted our coverage data to the state of Colorado and they submitted our data for the national map. However, this FCC broadband deployment report includes this map which doesn't show our coverage. Report: http://www.fcc.gov/reports/eighth-broadband-progress-report http://www.fcc.gov/reports/eighth-broadband-progress-report Map: http://www.fcc.gov/maps/section-706-fixed-broadband-deployment-map http://www.fcc.gov/maps/section-706-fixed-broadband-deployment-map What gives??? WISPA??? Is anyone else noticing their coverage area is not included? Best regards, Sean Heskett ZIRKEL Wireless High-speed Internet http://www.zirkelwireless.com www.zirkelwireless.com 970-871-8500 ___ Wireless mailing list mailto:Wireless@wispa.org Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Brian's coverage map broken?
It's an issue with the size of the file. Google Maps is only supposed to support a file overlay size of up to 1 meg. This one is about 2.2 meg so sometimes it does not act properly. And yes this file needs to be updated, problem is it's going to make the file larger and probably break it. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 10:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Brian's coverage map broken? Working for me now. Weird. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 10:17 PM, Jason Bailey j284...@yahoo.com wrote: Way out-dated..but it's good here too. --- On Fri, 5/11/12, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Brian's coverage map broken? To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Friday, May 11, 2012, 10:02 PM Works for me Regards, Chuck On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 7:24 PM, Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org http://mc/compose?to=rharn...@wispa.org wrote: Worked for me -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org http://mc/compose?to=wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org http://mc/compose?to=wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Sam Tetherow Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 6:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Brian's coverage map broken? Yes. On 05/11/2012 05:51 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Does this fail to load at all or completely for anyone else? http://www.wirelessmapping.com/Google%20Maps3.htm Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://mc/compose?to=Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://mc/compose?to=Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://mc/compose?to=Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://mc/compose?to=Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirFiber Radio Pics
The good thing about this band is that free space loss is your best friend with regards to interference. Any use in this band to get an appreciable amount of signal requires very narrow beamwidth antennas to keep the power levels up to a point to overcome the attenuation through space. Couple those tighter patterns with the fact that the signal falls off very rapidly in free space and you have a greatly reduced opportunity for interference. I do agree with you on the channel width that many people will waste capacity only because they can. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 12:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirFiber Radio Pics Any way you look at it, the UBNT 24Ghz product is a game changer. Its bringing a price point, that will mass excellerate the adoption of 24Ghz use. At that price, there are 1000s of uses. Its very exciting. Its also a big bonus that it is MIMO, which should give it a good link budget, compared to the methods other technologies use to accommodate dual pol. What I dont like about it is that it uses to much spectrum and is to fast, which will cause parties to deploy faster speeds than they need, simply because they can, and cause more interference in urban areas, and reduce the number of links in an area. Often people incorrectly think that millimeter is like inteference free. What they forget is the low range is based on Rain fade, but when its not raining the signal goes very far, and reflections can reflect all over the place, even though narrow beamwidth. But there will still be a strong market for other products like SAF. For example, windloading and mounting. I jsut bought a SAF radio for that reason, where the 1ft dish option was preferred. SAF also has 256QAM support, quite a bit more efficient than UBNT's 64QAM limit, allowing high speed in smaller channels, allowing more radios to be colocated at a single site. I think UBNT's marketing is their typical overstated marketing.. Just like AIRMAX 5.8 where they promote as 300mb, when in reallity Dual Pol 20Mhz channels, the common size that can be used, yields more like between 40mb and 80mb depending on link budget and noise floor. So in doing apples to apples comparisons, its important to take that into consideration. For example, a 13mile link just isn't going to happen in my rain zone, but might be doable in the desert. With 2ft dishes, I dare not go over 2-1/4 miles, and still prefer under 1.5m. I believe the UBNT 24 product will also put a hurting on the 60Ghz market. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirFiber Radio Pics
Wow, after watching the video you can really see the frustration these guys had working for Motorola and the refusal to innovate. Knowing Motorola's corporate attitudes, this does not surprise me at all. Kudo's to the UBNT team for getting them to come over! Thank You, Brian Webster From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Zach Mann Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 3:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirFiber Radio Pics I got the impression that 24Ghz was good out to 2 miles. How are they reaching 15km with airFiber? Awesome stuff, and a great video. http://www.ubnt.com/airfiber On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: 2995 actually Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 23, 2012 12:17 PM, Doug Clark d...@txox.com wrote: 2999.00 per link! ---Original Message--- From: Zach Mann mailto:zma...@gmail.com Date: 3/23/2012 11:13:51 AM To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirFiber Radio Pics Price range ? :) On Mar 23, 2012 12:06 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: 700 mbps fdx, 1.4 Gig Agg 24Ghz Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Zach Mann Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 1:04 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: a...@afmug.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirFiber Radio Pics Nice. Gig speeds ? On Mar 23, 2012 12:01 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless _ ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages
The remote reboot power strip does nothing for you if the GFCI outlet or breaker has tripped, that needs to be reset unless it's an auto reset device. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Victoria Proffer Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 9:40 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages Is there a remote power strip that can be activated by a cell phone? i.e. strip cell phone pstn my computer Victoria Proffer STLWiMAX, LLC http://www.stlwimax.com/ 314-974-5600 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Ghering Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 8:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages We don't use them at towers, but I have here at home auto resetting GFCI outlets for my Saltwater reef tank. Got them from Home Depot.. They reset automatically after a few mins.. Ryan On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:08 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: You have to have GFCI outlets indoors? I've never heard of that regulation before. A few thoughts come to mind: * Battery backup with 2 or so hours of run time along with a remote page for a power outage. Doesn't prevent you from having to dispatch but it keeps you from having an outage. * Re-check code? I don't understand why you need a GFCI outlet inside your shack.You don't have a sink or other water nearby. I don't have GFCI outlets in my office. Maybe I'm missing something here. If you are mounting an outdoor NEMA box with your equipment and just plugging into a GFCI then maybe you can figure out some way to get a hardwire into the box rather than plugging into an outside GFCI? On 3/16/12 9:04 AM, Troy Settle wrote: Ok, so to keep to code, we have a GFCI outlet for most of our towers. One of them tripped last night, causing me to have to put on some 80 miles just to push a button (yes, it could have been much worse). Is there anything to prevent stupid outages like this from happening without violating code? Thanks, -- Troy Settle, Network Administrator The Wired Road Authority 1117 E. Stuart Dr. Galax, VA 24333 (276) 238-0049 tel:%28276%29%20238-0049 (office) (276) 237-3890 tel:%28276%29%20237-3890 (cell) tset...@thewiredroad.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Ryan Ghering Network Operations - Plains.Net Office: 970-848-0475 - Cell: 970-630-1879 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] tower height near airport
www.airspaceusa.com is another good consulting firm that can do a study for around $200. If this is listed as an FAA public airport definitely do a study. If it is not in their database as a public strip but rather a private one, you do not have to file. You can certainly do a quick check on the FCC site tool but that is going to be conservative. Depending on how you file with the FAA and any surveyor certifications, the FAA office conducting the study will add up to an additional 50ft height margin of error to see if it violates any airspace approach patterns for that strip or any others nearby. If you submit a 2C certification letter they still add 20ft height, a 1A certification letter only adds 3ft height margin of error by the FAA office. For a site that close to an affected strip, that extra 47 feet of allowable height can make a big difference. These are reasons why it's good to pay a consultant to advise you on these points. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 10:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower height near airport There is a consultant out there, Ken Patterson ( http://airspace-ken.com/ ) that I utilized back when I worked for Sprint and several consulting companies. I think his fee to perform a full blown air space safety analysis on a proposed new tower is like $350 and probably worth every penny. The last thing you want is to have an improper filing and then cause some kind of air space accident because your tower is not marked or lit properly, or you missed something in the filing. That could ruin lives including your own. Cameron On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/AsrSearch/towairSearch.jsp will give you a quick read on the need for an FAA. http://wireless.fcc.gov/outreach/index.htm?job=tower_notification will get you started on a NEPA and SHPA - but using it is voluntary. The NEPA and SHPA I would not build a new tower without having done. https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/portal.jsp Will allow you file online (at no cost) for your FAA. Personally, it only takes 10 minutes to do the FAA, I would do it just to be safe. If you do, fill out all the frequencies listed as being in use. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Jay DeBoer jdeb...@summitdigital.us To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 8:37 AM Subject: [WISPA] tower height near airport I've got a buisness that wants me to setup a ptp link for them I did the path study and need to be about 50' in the air to get line of site clearance. The problem is the road right next to them (road is about 200 yards east and the runway starts about 400 yards north.) dead-ends into a grass run-way for the airport (small town). and its also prettly close to perpendicular from the main run-way thats probably around 1000 yards away. I'm assuming it would have to be permitted through FAA and all the wonderful paperwork that way. I don't think zoning will be an issue but I'm more concerned about the tower height in relation to the airport. -- Jay DeBoer Chief Engineer Summit Digital Holdings, Inc. 100 N Roland St, Suite B McBain, MI 49657 Office: 231-825-2500 Direct: 231-908-0033 Fax: 231-908-0039 jdeb...@summitdigital.us ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] It's all over but the screaming! Light Speed is done for!
Very glad to see that science actually beat politics this time. That does not happen very often these days, although I doubt this is the last we will hear of lightsquared... Brian From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 12:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] It's all over but the screaming! Light Speed is done for! http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2012/02/happy-valentines-day-us-gove rnment-breaks-up-with-lightsquared.ars WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ericsson is buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi
Tom, I have sat in on planning these networks with Time Warner and Comcast. The way they are building these versions they will work for their purposes. Trust me I have built a couple of large scale muni networks J In regards to the mounting issues, so long as they have above ground outside plant life will be good for them. These nodes mount on the suspended messenger wire, not the poles. That means they can just attach them to their existing lines. I'm not saying that it will be easy but it's much easier than someone else trying to build given the fact that they already occupy the space on said poles. They are also planning to ink deals with local businesses to mount nodes when necessary. Since they will be wiring every node to their network for backhaul, there is no requirement for any wireless meshing, just connectivity to the client device. They do not necessarily plan to have a contiguous network market wide, just where there are likely to be high concentrations of users. This also not meant to be a network that will hand off connections from node to node at highway speeds. They are assuming a relatively stationary user of the system. This whole design philosophy is quite different from the muni Wi-Fi networks most of us think about. The real reason they are building these is to keep customer churn down by offering existing broadband and video customers a free mobility component in areas they are likely to need it. I would expect they will also later ink some roaming deals will cellular carriers but that is not on their initial radar as of now. They will be using nodes that have smart channel selection capability which will pick the quietest channel. In some cases there are also plans to include the 5 gig spectrum as consumer devices are now showing up on the market capable of using both bands. I would not be so quick to dismiss this iteration of outdoor Wi-Fi. It's coming; they have combined an extra 3.5 billion dollars they just received from selling spectrum to Verizon. They are hiring plenty of skill to build this properly and/or fix issues that arise. It's change and it's coming. There is enough at stake to have to make this work. Cellular needs a successful deployment strategy for outdoor Wi-Fi to work as well for their offload needs. The manufacturers have a lot of radios they want to sell so they have to make it work now. Outdoor Wi-Fi will not go away now, you can take that bet to the bank. You may not like or want that to happen but it's going to just the same. When people say it can't happen I just remind myself of how many times I have said that over my wireless career and how many times I was proven wrong. Heck just a few months ago people were complaining that the spectral mask in TVWS was not going to allow for any reasonable speed offerings, yet now all of the sudden we have manufacturers coming up with designs that work. Everything changes and they change faster when more money is at stake. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: Tom DeReggi [mailto:wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 11:46 AM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ericsson is buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi Yes, a typical tactic for the sole purpose to destroy the RF environment, and scare high ARPU businesses and investors from trusting third party unlicensed wireless providers solutions. Its all about fear factor. But Just like any other large scale MUNI network, it wont work, and will be to costly to maintain, and the bad press will incourage the Cable Cos to shut down the networks instead of continueing to damage their brand's reputation as a quality high speed resildential provider. They can plan to deploy 10,000 nodes, but planning has no value if there is no where to put/mount them. Maybe they could mount them inside people's homes :-) Surely, they aren't going to work mounted on their tiny green 2ft pedestals on every corner. Surely, they aren't going to pay landlords $200/month each to mount on 10,000 commercial building roofs. What they more likely would do is go put in Wifi access points into the communities that they do not want to dig up the streets and bring cable to, that the City/states are trying to force them to do with cable, leveraging the franchise agreement renegotiations. A attitude like, get off my back, why spend $5000 to dig, when I can spend $200 on an access point and pretend we serve everyone, and make it a play on all the lobbying WISPs did to say, wireless is good enough for WISPs, so it must also be good enough for Cable Cos. I could easilly see Comcast applying for USF, and using Wireless combined with Cable. Time Warner is planning I believe around 10,000 node in the LA market this year and after they get that market proven, they plan on rolling out nationwide in their markets
Re: [WISPA] Future of Wifi Offloading WAS: Ericsson is buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi
With 10 to 18,000 nodes in a cable citywide deployment you will not have enough spectrum to do that. These new deployments are hard wiring every node to their infrastructure either DOCSIS or fiber. The feature of that is just that your footprint to the end user gets smaller with more interference, your backhaul does not get bothered. Whoever can still connect in the face of interference can still move traffic. New consumer devices with Wi-Fi are being built to use BOTH 2.4 and 5GHz bands. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 3:37 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future of Wifi Offloading WAS: Ericsson is buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi You can still use spectrum for customers as long as your back-haul links use antennas with small beam widths, or run your back-haul links in horizontal and customer links in vertical polarity. The fact that our infrastructure is 100% wireless (outside our Internet upstream links) has been a huge selling point for us in competing with the ILEC and cable company! On 01/27/2012 03:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I'd rather use spectrum to service customers, not towers. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ericsson is buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi
It's not just the cellular industry. Comcast is deploying 18,000 outdoor wi-fi nodes this year and giving that service for free to their customers to keep them happy in a mobile environment and reduce churn. Time Warner is planning I believe around 10,000 node in the LA market this year and after they get that market proven, they plan on rolling out nationwide in their markets. The networks are specifically being designed for tablets and wi-fi enabled phones in a nomadic but not seamless mobile environment. Being that the cable companies who sold spectrum to Verizon for 3.5 billion dollars, they are using some of that money for these deployments. For those in those metro markets, these carriers are planning both 2.4 and 5 GHz dual mode radios. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 12:00 PM To: memb...@wispa.org w; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ericsson is buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi In a sure sign that the cellular industry is getting serious about Wi-Fi, telecom networking giant Ericsson is buying BelAir Networks, adding its high-performance outdoor hotspot technology to its portfolio, sources told GigaOM. The deal could signal a big shift in the mindset of the big wireless vendors, which have always favored their own specialized and expensive cellular technologies to meet growing mobile data demand rather than more generic but much cheaper Wi-Fi tech... http://gigaom.com/broadband/ericsson-pursuing-wi-fi-with-belair-networks-bu y/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks Serving the WISP Community since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Future of WiFi Offloading WAS: Ericsson is buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi
John, I think this will happen faster than you predict. With the Lucent light radio being software defined the technology already exists to do this. Carrier engineering departments are just a bit slow to change. Carriers have to look at the Pico cell design to increase capacity by more frequency reuse in smaller footprints. Their challenge right know as you suggest if the fiber to the pole infrastructure to serve these Pico cells. To a certain extent they can do this now with the cable companies. These Bellaire radios have docsis modems built right in and they are working on power over coax to run the node radios. It's not a big stretch to change out the Wi-Fi radio with an LTE Pico radio at all. You are spot on with your understanding of how things will evolve. Technically it's a no brainer. The interesting part will be the business models, partnerships and/or roaming type agreements. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 11:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Future of Wifi Offloading WAS: Ericsson is buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi Here are my predictions based partly upon the acquisitions we have seen of Atheros by Qualcomm and now this latest play into Wifi by otherwise generally licensed zealots of the mobile world: The large mobile carrier equipment companies will supply Wifi solutions to the national players who will then build Wifi micro-cell infrastructure out using this commodity priced platform. Then these same equipment makers will develop a New and Improved line of pico-base LTE boxes at a better margin than the Wifi-only APs but much less than their LTE macro-base equivalents. Cellcos, cablecos, etc. will then replace their Wifi-only micro-cell APs with dual mode Wifi and LTE pico-bases to enable the benefits of Wifi and cellular both while removing the disadvantages from either platform for their needs. I believe that this move will enable the melding of fixed and mobile wireless broadband enabling WISPs to finally get into this dual game. Those best positioned to take advantage of this will be fiber to the home operators who are also WISPs who will then build out Fiber to the Access Point and deliver the Last 1000 feet wirelessly to their customers. With an infrastructure model like this ISPs can deliver the capacity needed for customers to supply voice, video and data while eliminating one of the terribly expensive parts of the FTTH platform invoking the drops to the homes. I predict we'll see all this come to pass by 2017-18. We'll see how clear my crystal ball is in a few years. I hope you guys will remember this then and be sure to pull it up and make fun of me for being so far offor not!:-) John Scrivner On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: In a sure sign that the cellular industry is getting serious about Wi-Fi, telecom networking giant Ericsson is buying BelAir Networks, adding its high-performance outdoor hotspot technology to its portfolio, sources told GigaOM. The deal could signal a big shift in the mindset of the big wireless vendors, which have always favored their own specialized and expensive cellular technologies to meet growing mobile data demand rather than more generic but much cheaper Wi-Fi tech... http://gigaom.com/broadband/ericsson-pursuing-wi-fi-with-belair-netwo rks-buy/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks Serving the WISP Community since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISP for sale
Reminds me of an old saying, The successful man is one who can make more money than his wife can spend The successful woman is the one who can find that man! Brian From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Doug Clark Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 10:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISP for sale I would say that 99% of all the absolute Beautiful women in the world would take a man that has lots of money over anything else. Money even makes UGLY good looking!! Money is King! ---Original Message--- From: Gary Garrett mailto:ggarr...@nidaho.net Date: 1/18/2012 10:10:43 PM To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISP for sale I figured it out by lurking on Match.com, All the Chicks want younger guys, any car will do. By the way, can anyone tell me why that hot new red convertible that I bought doesn't seem to be helping me get any chicks? jack image001.gif WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] population density map for Washington.
Here is a table that shows what the household density is for WISP only service areas as compared to state density. Most cable and DSL deployments are at a minimum of 1000 households per square mile. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 11:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] population density map for Washington. This is very interesting. http://wabroadbandmapping.org/PDF/Statewide/Population_Density_2010.pdf I'm in Lincoln Co. Us and Douglas probably have the lowest population density in the entire state. I'd love to compare that to a state like Vermont or something. People like to talk about rural access. Man, I can tell you *all* about rural access! grin marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISP Only Block Research Data.xlsx Description: application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.spreadsheetml.sheet WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cordless Phone Ring Interference
With the price of cordless phones now days and the cost of your customer support time, I would just buy them a new phone. If you get a DECT 6.0 version you are certain not to have problems. Those are used exclusively in the guard bands around the 1800 MHz PCS frequencies and are set aside specifically for cordless phones only. It's also fairly cheap to get a multi extension set. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 3:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Cordless Phone Ring Interference I have a customer that has determined that every time the phone rings, the Internet goes down. Once the phone is answered, the Internet works. We are using 2.4GHz to the house, with an integrated Arc panel on the roof. The customer has checked and the phone does not have a channel selection button. Anyone have suggestions as to how to get the phone to not kill the wireless link? -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 (765) 439-4253 (855) 231-6239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Strategies For Finding Bandwidth
You can also use the national broadband map and find out who offers service there. They may not be able to give you 100 meg but I would bet they know who can. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 12:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Strategies For Finding Bandwidth Peruse the carrier maps and see what's in your area. I would love it if someone asked me for 100 megs. Check www.telecomramblings.com for links to maps. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 11/7/2011 10:22 AM, Andrew Niemantsverdriet wrote: How do I go about finding a bandwidth provider? I have been tasked to find 100Megs of Internet and have exhausted all the options I know. What I have done so far is contact other ISP's in the area and asked them if they can get me Internet. So far everybody has said no because they can figure out a way to deliver it. So what I am asking what are some other avenues that I can explore to get bandwidth to this location? Generic advise is fine as I may have to do this once more for another site. I am purposely not saying the address on a public list but if that will help I can let you know off list. Thanks, _ /-\ ndrew -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie
One major factor you have to consider for Verizon and FIOs is the union problem. Verizon had established specialized teams to deploy fiber and were moving along at or ahead of schedule and budgets. The teams would go to the new areas and stay to get the work done. Then the union stepped up and filed grievances stating it was taking work away from the local guys. Short story is the union won out, now they have to deploy with people who have no incentive to hurry up and get the work done so they can go back home to their families. I think this is why you have seen them slow down. The union is the most counterproductive aspect of Verizon, even the employees who are non-union know this. The wireless division refuses to unionize, that should tell you something. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 4:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie At 10/27/2011 03:10 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: It makes it easier to increase your penetration percentage when you sell off what you don't intend on putting fiber in. Worse. They sold off what they could of that plant where they didn't intend to put in fiber. But they couldn't sell it all. So they're going to nurse the old copper plant along for the foreseeable future. In some areas it'll be all they have; in other areas, where there is FiOS, its penetration isn't all that high anyway. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie
But what did you know right Cameron? The arrogance and ignorance of carriers still never ceases to amaze me. Most times it is due to the fact that the person in that position of network design authority, who should already know those answers, simply does not and feel like they need to draw the line in the sand and make it seem like they know more than the consultant, otherwise they fear their bosses will question their value to the organization... Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 5:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie That's right Blake, and it was way before 4G that designing for capacity came into play. Before I became a wisp in '03, I had designed and had a part in building over 1000 cell sites for 4 different carriers in 3 different countries. In the mid-90s companies were going for coverage only. They quickly learned that once digital technologies came into play, coverage meant squat in terms of how many subs you could pack on a network. Just like with us, cell sites are limited in capacity and the noisier things get with CDMA based systems, the quicker they go to crap. In urban, sub-urban morphologies, capacity rules. In rural areas though, they don't anticipate near the traffic levels, so they build taller sites that can cover more area. Along highways, they may only build 2 sector sites, at least initially, because the extra sector that doesn't carry any traffic is a waste of money. If they really are going for fixed wireless as a major play, then they may have to add sites in the rural areas. They may not realize it yet. It was tough sell to convince them the first time around. When Sprint first deployed 1x, we, the consultants told them that designing for coverage was a waste of time and money. They didn't believe us and ended up having to add 25% more sites after turning the network up. Cameron On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: Cellular systems in urban areas are built for capacity. Thats why you have so many low level sites, frequency reuse. Capacity rules king. In rural areas, coverage rules. That is why they use a lot of intellirepeater sites, that actually work off close existing sites, with very minimal capacity. Often limited to one outdoor cabinet and 3 panels. (and in some cases a mag mount antenna on the cabinet for the donor site to be able to talk to it) Capacity of varying sites changes also on a network. While one site may have X capacity with X transcievers, the one 5 miles away, same network, may have twice that number. They may look alike from the outside, but the equipment inside is different TOE. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie I have a dissenting opinion... It all comes down to a simple economics in the end. Who can most cost effectively provide broadband. A cellular network is built for coverage Additionally, large companies, from a scale and operations perspective, will tend to put the same equipment everywhere What that means is in order to offer the nationwide network, that the tower in the rural area that's required to cover that stretch of highway where there's only a town of 1,000 people will have the same equipment and capacity as the tower in downtown Chicago that has 1,000 simultaneous users So in rural areas, where the costs of the tower, backhaul and base station have already been amortized and paid for to fulfill their coverage requirements, but many of these towers are sitting at 5-10% capacity In their mind, to add another 100 or so fixed wireless users off an AP and putting them in a lower QoS bucket (so the primary mobile customers aren't affected when fixed customers start slamming Netflix) is found money -- self installs are quite nice when putting out +60 dBi EIRP at the tower with 700 MHz on licensed spectrum with zero noise floor -Charles / WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA
[WISPA] Old time technology for pulling fiber
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/28/us-vermont-internet-idUSTRE75R6Y72 0110628 This is a great idea! Thank You, Brian Webster http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] WISPA National Disaster Committee - Seeking Volunteers
Victoria, I have made this suggestion a couple of times to various members of the board over the years and I will do it again. In the days following hurricane Katrina members of WISPA discovered how difficult it is to help in disasters when you are not part of a recognized group in the emergency management system. Many WISP's are also Amateur Radio operators (hams's). This group is recognized by both the FCC and emergency management agencies as a participating agency and has memorandums of understanding in place with non-governmental organizations (NGO's) such as the Salvation Army and the Red Cross through their national organization call the American Radio Relay League (ARRL www.arrl.org) . This group of people typically belong to the Amateur Radio Emergency Services (ARES) and/or the Radio Amateur Civil Emergency Service (RACES). They are trained in providing disaster communications and are an integral part of the Incident Command System. They have a national training program and a full-fledged field organization nationwide. I would recommend that WISPA establish a memorandum of understanding with the ARRL and do our best to integrate disaster efforts outside of helping individual WISP companies. Being able to establish internet and/or point to point Ethernet connectivity is very important after a disaster. WISP's can quickly do this. Being part of a recognized organization will help eliminate the problems associated with trying to do so in a disaster area. I will help with this committee, you should reach out to the ham wisp list that was created to see who else from that group would like to participate. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Victoria Proffer Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 9:05 AM To: 'Principal WISPA Member List'; memb...@wispa.org; 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA Members] WISPA National Disaster Committee - Seeking Volunteers The mid-west and east coast have taken several tornado beatings over the last few weeks, as well as we have seen extensive flooding in the mid-west. I would say, it is just Spring, but I have never seen a Spring this devastating. A few weeks ago, at our in-person board meeting, we voted to form a National Disaster Committee; which passed unanimously. During this last 'epidemic' storm, I contacted WISPA State Coordinators to assist, if there was any significant damage in their areas. Fortunately, we are not hearing of any major damage from our members, with the exception of Hudson Technology Solutions, that lost a tower in El Reno, OK. I was in touch with State Coordinators over the last few days, in the event that more WISPA members could have been affected. I was also in touch with the Missouri WISPA members regarding help for a 'downed' WISP in Joplin, MO. I was impressed with our WISPA members that volunteered to help in the event of touchdowns in KS, MO and OK: .Airlink Internet - OK .BPS Telephone - MO .Computers Tele-Comm, Inc. -MO/KS .Mark Twain Telephone - MO .Mercury Communications and Construction - MO .WISPERS ISP - IL The WISPA National Disaster Committee will create procedures of dealing with disasters when they affect our members and associated areas. With the way that Spring of 2011 is lining up, I believe it is important to establish this committee ASAP. Please contact me to volunteer for this committee. Thanks! Victoria Proffer President/CEO St. Louis Broadband, LLC http://stlbroadband.com/ 314-974-5600 http://wispa.org/ Wispa_logo+slogan2008SM 2010 - 2011 Board of Directors Committee Chairs - Bylaws | National Disaster | State Coordinators |Missouri State Coordinator image001.gif WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC477 fines?
I believe it has been that way all along, they just never enforced it. Thank You, Brian Webster http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 12:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] FCC477 fines? One of our customers got a call today from the FCC. The FCC representative on the other end told him that he had missed the deadline for filing his 477 form and that this was a courtesy call. If he did not get his filing in soon, he would be subject to a fine. Well it was easy enough to rectify with our software for him, but I'm curious as to when this became a finable offense. Does anyone know? We called and questioned the FCC rep who threatened our customer and he told us it was the law, although he was unable to tell us when the law went into effect, or which piece of legislation made it law and a finable offense. Can you really be fined for this now? Any of you lurking lawyers out there know? I'd be curious to know. Regards, Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Paetec drives Ethernet-over-copper to 100 Mb/s
http://connectedplanetonline.com/business_services/news/paetec-drives-copper -over-ethernet-to-100mbs-0503/ I wonder if this will help anyone with transport or backhaul costs. Thank You, Brian Webster http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Re: [Wisp] Thanks to those concerned
Also keep in mind you may be able to help responding agencies with their own
radio connectivity. Many emergency responder agencies now have radio over IP
boxed systems they can use. Sometimes it's self-contained and sometimes they
use Ethernet connectivity to place multiple transmitters over larger
geographic areas. Once your network is functioning make contact with your
local emergency operations center and let them know you can provide
bandwidth.
John, as a ham I am sure you already have contacts with the proper people or
can get introduced quickly.
Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
www.Broadband-Mapping.com
From: motor...@afmug.com [mailto:motor...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB Jay
Weekley
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 1:05 AM
To: Rick Harnish; WISPA General List; Principal WISPA Member List;
motor...@afmug.com
Cc: motor...@afmug.com; memb...@wispa.org
Subject: [Motorola II] Re: [Wisp] [WISPA] Thanks to those concerned
Wow, John, I can't imagine. I understand there is damage VERY SIMILAR to
that in Huntsville around our tower site up there but our net admin for
Huntsville (Alex Dumas) was inbetween the damage. His house is fine, but
damage very close by going any direction.
Jerry Head (from Blount County, works with us and is my partner in
Huntsville) is a tower climber and Alex climbs too. Why am I talking about
tower climbing...I have no idea. Your network sounds about as good as ours
(except we lost our main tower in the Cullman tornado). I'm more concerned
about Marlon - what is his condition and his family's condition?
I think I was going to offer help to you once we got our stuff back up and
running - but you're in the same boat we are - debating about how important
it is to power up our sites when our customers have no power. Hard to know
if anything else is problematic under these circimstances. I
I talked to my grandparents this evening and heard their power actually went
out about 30 minutes after the Cullman tornado (they are on the north side
of the county, closer to a northern substation and should not have been
affected by the downtown cullman trauma in infrastructure) - i understand
their power went out (and thus the TVA outage affecting all of north
alabama) about 30 minutes after the tornado took us down downtown
Keep in touch ; it sounds like network damage on your end isn't near as
profound as the human damage.
Thanks and be well
-jay fuller
On Thu Apr 28 21:37 , 'Rick Harnish' rharn...@wispa.org wrote:
John,
Thanks for the update. Good to hear your network is in good shape, but very
sad to hear your description of the deaths and destruction. Keep us posted.
Rick
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
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Subject: [WISPA] Thanks to those concerned
Our network admin's house, Marlon Williamson who is active on these
lists, was completely demolished with him and his family inside. I went
by there today and it looks like a war zone. Complete destruction a half
mile in each direction with what was his house in the middle. Across the
road some people were found dead lying in a church parking lot and
nearby field. A Sara Lee truck pulled up today in a small town called
Henagar at the 4 way stop, opened the 18 wheeler doors, and you would've
thought it was a third world country watching the people rush to get
bread.
Somehow our network was left unscathed. I drove to most of our sites
today, all in tact. One water tank may have some lightning damage in the
cabinet but not much it seems. We were truly blessed.
We've been without power for over 24 hours. All of N. Alabama is without
power. People are lining up at gas stations thinking the power is going
to come on but the TVA has given a best case scenario of 5 days. Judging
from the damage I've seen, it will be more like 2 weeks. High Voltage
lines have been twisted and blown over like pretzels all over the
county.
Jay, I haven't had time to read any emails, but if I can be of
assistance I will try. I am kind of a one man show at this point with
all my employees tending to their families. Water has been cut off in
most homes across the county. Its almost unbelievable what is
transpiring. It could get ugly quick.
Regards,
John M. McDowell
Boonlink Communications
307 Grand Ave NW
Fort Payne, AL 35967
256.844.9932 Office
j...@boonlink.com
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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] [Wisp] Thanks to those concerned
Jay, John;
After having participated in the Katrina effort with WISPA I
would imagine that getting your networks up and running and then helping
people like FEMA and the Insurance companies will help a great deal in
assisting those who have lost everything in getting claims filed and paid to
start the recovery process. So much is done on line now that the internet
connectivity is very important even if it's in a tent full of computers like
we set up in Mississippi. I believe NetSapiens also offered to set up some
phone support. Depending on how long it takes to get phone and cell service
back up VOIP services can be the quickest way to set up phone service.
Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
www.Broadband-Mapping.com
From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of CBB Jay Weekley
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 1:05 AM
To: Rick Harnish; WISPA General List; Principal WISPA Member List;
motor...@afmug.com
Cc: memb...@wispa.org; motor...@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] [Wisp] [WISPA] Thanks to those concerned
Wow, John, I can't imagine. I understand there is damage VERY SIMILAR to
that in Huntsville around our tower site up there but our net admin for
Huntsville (Alex Dumas) was inbetween the damage. His house is fine, but
damage very close by going any direction.
Jerry Head (from Blount County, works with us and is my partner in
Huntsville) is a tower climber and Alex climbs too. Why am I talking about
tower climbing...I have no idea. Your network sounds about as good as ours
(except we lost our main tower in the Cullman tornado). I'm more concerned
about Marlon - what is his condition and his family's condition?
I think I was going to offer help to you once we got our stuff back up and
running - but you're in the same boat we are - debating about how important
it is to power up our sites when our customers have no power. Hard to know
if anything else is problematic under these circimstances. I
I talked to my grandparents this evening and heard their power actually went
out about 30 minutes after the Cullman tornado (they are on the north side
of the county, closer to a northern substation and should not have been
affected by the downtown cullman trauma in infrastructure) - i understand
their power went out (and thus the TVA outage affecting all of north
alabama) about 30 minutes after the tornado took us down downtown
Keep in touch ; it sounds like network damage on your end isn't near as
profound as the human damage.
Thanks and be well
-jay fuller
On Thu Apr 28 21:37 , 'Rick Harnish' rharn...@wispa.org wrote:
John,
Thanks for the update. Good to hear your network is in good shape, but very
sad to hear your description of the deaths and destruction. Keep us posted.
Rick
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
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Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 9:33 PM
To: Principal WISPA Member List; WISPA General List; motor...@afmug.com
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Subject: [WISPA] Thanks to those concerned
Our network admin's house, Marlon Williamson who is active on these
lists, was completely demolished with him and his family inside. I went
by there today and it looks like a war zone. Complete destruction a half
mile in each direction with what was his house in the middle. Across the
road some people were found dead lying in a church parking lot and
nearby field. A Sara Lee truck pulled up today in a small town called
Henagar at the 4 way stop, opened the 18 wheeler doors, and you would've
thought it was a third world country watching the people rush to get
bread.
Somehow our network was left unscathed. I drove to most of our sites
today, all in tact. One water tank may have some lightning damage in the
cabinet but not much it seems. We were truly blessed.
We've been without power for over 24 hours. All of N. Alabama is without
power. People are lining up at gas stations thinking the power is going
to come on but the TVA has given a best case scenario of 5 days. Judging
from the damage I've seen, it will be more like 2 weeks. High Voltage
lines have been twisted and blown over like pretzels all over the
county.
Jay, I haven't had time to read any emails, but if I can be of
assistance I will try. I am kind of a one man show at this point with
all my employees tending to their families. Water has been cut off in
most homes across the county. Its almost unbelievable what is
transpiring. It could get ugly quick.
Regards,
John M. McDowell
Boonlink Communications
307 Grand Ave NW
Fort Payne, AL 35967
256.844.9932 Office
j...@boonlink.com
Re: [WISPA] Update - what Matt Liotta has been doing...
I would guess that that level of yield increase is due to things like more efficient growing due to accurate nutrient balance, the tiers he uses as well as there or no weather elements to deal with which would give you a consistent year round growing season. One acre of actual land has to deal with mother nature and a shorter growing period. These pods can constantly grow plants and stagger the age of the seedlings to give a consistent yield on a daily or weekly basis thus giving you and constant availability of product and not have to deal with the problem of in season or the massive increase in shipping costs to bring product that is desired from areas that do have an active growing season. I think this is a great concept. This is not just for urban environments. Small acreage farmers could do wonders with their productivity and be able to have a consistent revenue stream if they keep their pods free of contaminants. There would no longer be bad years because of frost or drought. Kudos to Matt! Brian -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 9:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update - what Matt Liotta has been doing... Matt, are you around? This method of farming can certainly grow produce where it would otherwise be impossible or impractical. It also is more resource efficient. However, I am curious how Matt can get a 136x increase in yield vs. conventional farming. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 4/16/2011 8:45 AM, Charles Wu wrote: From WISP to high-tech farmer to being profiled on CNN; gotta give the guy some credit... http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2011/04/16/podponics/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Update - what Matt Liotta has been doing...
Your definition of small is huge by NY dairy farm standards. Most around here have between 100 and 300 acres. These small farms could do well by supplementing their dairy product with some of these produce pods. There is a decent demand for specialty foods in relatively small quantities as compared to what you are used to. I do not know how well it would scale for the volume of what you are describing. I would imagine the biggest challenge would be the harvesting process and how much labor it would involve as compared to the mechanized methods in use today. The idea of producing a significant portion of consumer foods at points near or nearer to the point of consumption has merit, plus as well all know distributed production does not leave one as vulnerable to shortages and/or price fixing. Thank You, Brian Webster 214 Eggleston Hill Rd. Cooperstown, NY 13326 (607) 643-4055 Office (607) 435-3988 Mobile (208) 692-1898 Fax Skype: Radiowebst www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 11:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update - what Matt Liotta has been doing... *nods* I come from a relatively small farm (2500 acres, 2400 pigs, 2 dozen cattle). Being a technologist I am always curious as to advancements in production efficiency. I do wonder about the cost effectiveness of this model and how well it can scale (within a given crop and to other crops). Can we get the almost 500k bushels of corn and soybeans we get now from 18 containers? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 4/16/2011 10:07 AM, Brian Webster wrote: I would guess that that level of yield increase is due to things like more efficient growing due to accurate nutrient balance, the tiers he uses as well as there or no weather elements to deal with which would give you a consistent year round growing season. One acre of actual land has to deal with mother nature and a shorter growing period. These pods can constantly grow plants and stagger the age of the seedlings to give a consistent yield on a daily or weekly basis thus giving you and constant availability of product and not have to deal with the problem of in season or the massive increase in shipping costs to bring product that is desired from areas that do have an active growing season. I think this is a great concept. This is not just for urban environments. Small acreage farmers could do wonders with their productivity and be able to have a consistent revenue stream if they keep their pods free of contaminants. There would no longer be bad years because of frost or drought. Kudos to Matt! Brian -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 9:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update - what Matt Liotta has been doing... Matt, are you around? This method of farming can certainly grow produce where it would otherwise be impossible or impractical. It also is more resource efficient. However, I am curious how Matt can get a 136x increase in yield vs. conventional farming. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 4/16/2011 8:45 AM, Charles Wu wrote: From WISP to high-tech farmer to being profiled on CNN; gotta give the guy some credit... http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2011/04/16/podponics/ - - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Updated Google Maps Version of the WISP Footprint - WISPA principal members included
I dont have an easy way to plot circles around Canadian zip codes. What I would need is some sort of coverage polygon. If you can create one in Google Earth or is you have a shape file or other GIS formatted polygon I can use those as well. I am more than happy to add the Canadian coverages. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: Aaron Remer [mailto:aa...@acces.com] Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 12:54 AM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; memb...@wispa.org; 'WISPA General List'; motor...@afmug.com Subject: RE: [WISPA Members] Updated Google Maps Version of the WISP Footprint - WISPA principal members included When are you going to show our footprints as well? Let us know what to do Aaron Remer Directeur/Director GROUPE-ACCES communications 300 Berge du Canal Suite 316 Montréal, Québec Canada H8R 1H3 Sans Frais/Toll-free: 1-877-777-3637 x 13 Tel: 514-762-4000 x 13 Fax: 514-762-0668 Cell: 514-386-1137 Courriel/Email: mailto:aa...@acces.com aa...@acces.com Sites Internet/Web sites: http://www.acces.com http://www.acces.com GROUPE-ACCÈS communications est un fournisseur de présence Web qui fournit aux petites et moyennes entreprises des solutions internet fiables et sécuritaires axées sur les résultats. Nous fournissons également la connectivite sans fil à bande large dans les communautés rurales et difficiles à atteindre. GROUPE-ACCES communications, a Web Presence Provider company providing reliable, secure and result-oriented Internet solutions to small and medium-sized businesses. We also provide wireless broadband connectivity in rural and hard to reach communities Confidentiality Warning: This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the intended recipient(s), are confidential, and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, retransmission, conversion to hard copy, copying, circulation or other use of this message and any attachments is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message and any attachments from your system. Thank you. Information confidentielle: Le présent message, ainsi que tout fichier qui y est joint, est envoyé à l'intention exclusive de son ou de ses destinataires; il est de nature confidentielle et peut constituer une information privilégiée. Nous avertissons toute personne autre que le destinataire prévu que tout examen, réacheminement, impression, copie, distribution ou autre utilisation de ce message et de tout fichier qui y est joint est strictement interdit. Si vous n'êtes pas le destinataire prévu, veuillez en aviser immédiatement l'expéditeur par retour de courriel et supprimer ce message et tout document joint de votre système. Merci. From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: April-14-11 9:48 PM To: 'WISPA General List'; memb...@wispa.org; motor...@afmug.com Subject: [WISPA Members] Updated Google Maps Version of the WISP Footprint - WISPA principal members included I had a chance to update the Google Maps version of the WISP National Footprint. This time I did a mashup of the WISPA principal members pushpins that Rick had created. The map now shows WISP pushpins with the ability to click on the pin and get a popup window with company name and contact information along with web site links if they exist. http://www.wirelessmapping.com/Google%20Maps3.htm Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Updated Google Maps Version of the WISP Footprint -WISPA principal members included
The pushpins are only WISPA principal members. This was something Rick compiled a while ago. I do not have a full list of WISP's and their addresses out of the directory site. Matt only provides me with a list of zip codes. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: Dennis Burgess [mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net] Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 11:53 AM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Updated Google Maps Version of the WISP Footprint -WISPA principal members included Why is this not showing all WISPS that have put in zip codes? --- Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: April 14, 2011 9:56 PM To: 'Chuck Hogg'; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Updated Google Maps Version of the WISP Footprint -WISPA principal members included These are a combination of various coverage maps plus the zip codes listed by each WISP voluntarily in the WISP Directory site. If you have more zip codes you service you should log in to your account and add then to the directory. I get a zip code export from there when I do updates. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: Chuck Hogg [mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com] Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 10:28 PM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Updated Google Maps Version of the WISP Footprint - WISPA principal members included Are these just zip code circles? I've got a lot more zip codes to give you. Regards, Chuck On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 9:47 PM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: I had a chance to update the Google Maps version of the WISP National Footprint. This time I did a mashup of the WISPA principal members pushpins that Rick had created. The map now shows WISP pushpins with the ability to click on the pin and get a popup window with company name and contact information along with web site links if they exist. http://www.wirelessmapping.com/Google%20Maps3.htm Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Updated Google Maps Version of the WISP Footprint - WISPA principal members included
I had a chance to update the Google Maps version of the WISP National Footprint. This time I did a mashup of the WISPA principal members pushpins that Rick had created. The map now shows WISP pushpins with the ability to click on the pin and get a popup window with company name and contact information along with web site links if they exist. http://www.wirelessmapping.com/Google%20Maps3.htm Thank You, Brian Webster http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Updated Google Maps Version of the WISP Footprint - WISPA principal members included
These are a combination of various coverage maps plus the zip codes listed by each WISP voluntarily in the WISP Directory site. If you have more zip codes you service you should log in to your account and add then to the directory. I get a zip code export from there when I do updates. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: Chuck Hogg [mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com] Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 10:28 PM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Updated Google Maps Version of the WISP Footprint - WISPA principal members included Are these just zip code circles? I've got a lot more zip codes to give you. Regards, Chuck On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 9:47 PM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: I had a chance to update the Google Maps version of the WISP National Footprint. This time I did a mashup of the WISPA principal members pushpins that Rick had created. The map now shows WISP pushpins with the ability to click on the pin and get a popup window with company name and contact information along with web site links if they exist. http://www.wirelessmapping.com/Google%20Maps3.htm Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
I have always said the cellular carriers have the over the air interface to deliver good speeds for the most part. It's their backhaul network that needs work and they are slowly and steadily upgrading that. While most are bashing them, they eventually will have upgraded the sites to remain competitive. They are far from perfect but once they finally have true Ethernet transport to every site, their performance will improve a lot over all digital modes they offer. They are and will continue to be a player in the broadband world. Best for WISP's to keep an eye on what they are doing and keep the pace with the overall broadband market changes. Fortunately it seems that the fixed wireless technology has kept the pace and/or exceeded other technologies. The WISP's themselves will need to keep business plans that take advantage of emerging technologies and allow themselves to remain continually competitive. This means factoring in an aggressive upgrade and replacement path which will allow for market adaptability. This will also need to include marketing methodologies to keep their image up and to show that there is not stagnation with the company and its offerings. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 7:37 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update It's generally known that the 20 Mb burst given by cable companies is throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come so far for mobile cellular data that we are now unconsciously comparing it side-by-side to fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it this way, how many WISPs can deliver up-to speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power handset in the middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps down and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky. I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or download a big file via FTP or whatever. It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse. ~V~ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to wireless router on phone http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector all to yourself. I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset, without the big antenna outside. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com To: paolo.difrance...@level7.it; WISPA GeneralList wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW most of the test are half duplex tests. In few words, they do one direction, then the other direction (e.g. first the customer download, then the customer upload). Suppose you have a 10Mb half duplex: the test will tell you that you have 10Mb in one direction and 10Mb in the other direction. Then you use the connection in 10Mb full duplex and you will discover the story is totally different ;) Also, yes it's interesting to see what is happening on the network interface when the test is running... Do a real test and report back, like FTP. Ookla Speedtest.net test are bogus 99.9% percent of the time because it's based on screwy test algorithms. On 04/01/2011 11:05 PM, Charles Wu wrote: Just got my HTC Thunderbolt, and Ookla tested 20 Mb down, 24 Mb up at Speedtest.Net to my handset -Charles WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List
[WISPA] Carlson TVWS Article in Urgent Communications Magazine today with Video Showing the WISPA Banner at the California WISP meeting
http://urgentcomm.com/mobile_data/news/software-defined-radio-rural-broadban d-20110323/# http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCUAuyGTK4k http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCUAuyGTK4kfeature=player_embedded#at=86 feature=player_embedded#at=86 Thank You, Brian Webster http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Tom DeReggi's testimony is on the web with the WISP map
Yesterday Tom DeReggi testified in front of the house subcommittee on Communications and Technology regarding Net Neutrality. I had provided him with a map and data that a WISPA team used the week before at meetings with the FCC. Tom used this map and information in his submitted testimony and it is now on the public record along with the Ex Parte filing from our FCC visit. The interesting thing is that I picked this link up through a Google Alert for Wirelessmapping.com today. That fact that the WISP industry can reach over 75 million homes is becoming well known. http://republicans.energycommerce.house.gov/Media/file/Hearings/Telecom/0309 11/DeReggi.pdf Thank You, Brian Webster http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ASR Sign Requirements
At minimum it needs to have the tower ASR registration number and emergency contact phone number. It needs to be posted where it is visible at the point where the public has the closest access. If there is a locked gate near the road the sign needs to be there and not only at the tower. http://wireless.fcc.gov/antenna/index.htm?job=about_posting Thank You, Brian Webster 214 Eggleston Hill Rd. Cooperstown, NY 13326 (607) 643-4055 Office (607) 435-3988 Mobile (208) 692-1898 Fax Skype: Radiowebst http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 1:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] ASR Sign Requirements I own a registered tower site that I bought from another ASR registrant. We have made all needed changes to the ASR records online showing proper ownership information. We still need to prepare the physical sign required at the location. I cannot seem to find the page on the ASR site that describes the requirements of the sign at the registered tower location. Can anyone send me the link to this information or even forward a doc with this data? Any help is greatly appreciated. John Scrivner WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] My friend's logic
I agree with Fred. It's not about the number of clients that causes the problem. The physical separation of the radios is probably the key factor in the increased performance. Putting multiple radios with possibly leaky pigtails inside the same enclosure can introduce opportunities for self-interference by near field RF energies and mixing products. Unless an enclosure have been specifically designed, tested and built for that particular combination or radios and cable routing, there is no telling how it may or may not perform. Adding more radios to the MT just compounds the problem. Having the RF section outside the MT box is never a bad idea to avoid this phenomenon. Thank You, Brian Webster Skype: Radiowebst www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 9:35 AM To: wil...@optimumwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] My friend's logic At 2/14/2011 08:50 AM, OptimumWS wrote: Hello. Thought I share this with the list. I have a friend that is using MT as ap on one of his towers with his radios in 10MHz and on another tower bullets with sector panels, similar set up on both towers except for the radios. He was explaining that he finds the bullets outperforms the ubiquiti radios on the MT by far. His explanation: The reason why bullets outperfoms the radios intalled on a router board is because of the pigtail used from the radio to the antenna. This pigtail works like a electricity cable in that the thicker the cable the more current is able to pass through so, the mikrotik pigtails are way too thin. When there is a certain number of clients connected to that radio the pigtail saturates the radio traffic because of the 'high traffic or current passing through the pigtail' and as a result; links between clients and ap can be slow and performance decreases. Now, the bullets do not have any pigtail or other connector and thats a reason why links with bullets are more stable and performs better than having a routerboard and radios with pigtails. What you guys think of his logic? Note: Posted this on dslreports wisp mainling list as well so, for those also registered to that list: sorry for the double posts. This was discussed on some vendor forums too, I think UBNTs. Most pigtails shipped with radios are too cheap for their own good. They are not properly shielded. Some WISPs have found that they can put more radios on a tower if they use better pigtails, which they either make themselves or hand-select (one person found that Laird pigtails were sometimes good, but not all of them). Pigtails can be lossy, reducing effective antenna gain, and can leak, which makes it susceptible to local interference. This has nothing to do with the number of clients, though. That's just silly. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3443 - Release Date: 02/14/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Your input on 5 GHz rules changes needed
One suggestion to get the word out about this problem would be to get press releases and journalists from the IT magazine industries involved. IT types who just throw up a link or two probably don't even know how to spell WISPA or TDWR. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 1:59 PM To: WISPA General List; memb...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] [WISPA] Your input on 5 GHz rules changes needed On 2/9/2011 9:49 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: The proper fix for this problem is a visit from the enforcement guys, and a nasty fine for repeat offenders. jau Joint FAA/FCC Enforcement teams have been out for a long time but this is a VERY costly solution and likely not sustainable in this era of shrinking budgets. That's why it's better to solve this problem before enforcement becomes the option of (costly) last resort. WISPA has suggested to the FCC that they better PUBLICIZE enforcement actions and they are considering that. After that, what would be so hard about using sensing and DFS (done right this time) to cause systems near the radars to notch out the 110mhz of spectrum while not bothering anyone else? jau This is much more difficult that it sounds. The wireless industry has been working for over a year (manufacturers, chip makers, etc.) to do this and has so far been unable to come up with an acceptable technical solution. The effort is on hold at the moment. The radar systems are well known, should be an easy signal to detect. jau They are not so easy to detect. New radar waveforms come into use. Radars go on and off-line. Wireless systems can't sit around all day just listening; they have real world traffic to handle. Again, the best minds in the industry have so far failed to figure out an acceptable solution. The radios already tend to send a LOT of data back and forth, radio name, signal levels, speed, language, channel used etc. etc. etc. Certainly any radio that turns on could sense for 30 seconds, if it detects a TDWR signal at a certain threshold, then report than back to the AP and the AP could then lock out the needed channels for that particular location. jau You are more than welcome to volunteer to join the wireless Industry Group engineering team that has been addressing this issue for the last year. I'll be happy to introduce you to the team leader so you can sign up to contribute your engineering advice. This should be able to be done via a firmware upgrade to any legacy or new hardware out there. jau Well, the manufacturers are not stepping up to develop new firmware. This is one of the frustrations that the FCC feels. Cheap, relatively easy, fixes the problem and does NOT take away 110mhz of newly acquired spectrum from the rest of the country. jauI would welcome your help to reach out to and motivate the manufacturers to do this. Let me know when you are ready to start your outreach program. A quick note on PR. The operator(s) there has run foot loose and fancy free with the rules for as long as I can remember. Perhaps it's time to fine them at a high enough level that it puts them out of business? Kind of a 3 strikes your out thing. jau Yep. Sounds right. jack marlon - Original Message - From: Jack Ungerjun...@ask-wi.com To:memb...@wispa.org; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 1:47 PM Subject: [WISPA Members] Your input on 5 GHz rules changes needed In spite of the noteworthy efforts on the part of many WISP operators and in spite of a temporary decrease in the levels of TDWR interference reported to us by the FCC, the TDWR interference situation has unfortunately deteriorated. The FCC now reports that some locations (New York, Chicago, Denver and Dallas) that were recently cleared of interference are once again experiencing significant interference problems. The TDWR interference in San Juan Puerto Rico is so bad that the TDWR system had to be shut off by the FAA. This is not good news because the FAA is pushing the FCC to solve these interference problems once and for all. Voluntary database registration has unfortunately not proven to be effective enough. There are still some operators who apparently have not heard about the TDWR interference problem and some who have simply failed to bring and keep their systems in compliance. On the supply-chain side, there are several manufacturers and distributors who did take positive, affirmative and responsible action to help address the problem however they were they in the minority. Most manufacturers and distributors did not step up to the plate with customer education or software upgrades. Because airline safety is a very important issue, it only takes a few bad actors to cause significant problems for everyone else
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Your input on 5 GHz rules changes needed
The problem is all of the equipment that is already out in the supply channels. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 2:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Your input on 5 GHz rules changes needed I notice that the FCC issued a $10,000 fine to Ayustar in San Juan about a year ago. I hope they got the message. It just might be that the FCC and NTIA were a little fast in making 5600-5650 part of the Part 15 bands. Sure, licensed equipment can be used without a license (vis. 3650) but that's a pretty straightforward violation. On the other hand, it would be better to have access to that band, including the 30 MHz guard bands that the NTIA presentation shows as being needed, at least near the TDWRs. And that's the rub: There are 45 TDWRs, and a lot of places nowhere near them. Sensing has not proven reliable. But a GPS/database approach is costly. Maybe the best compromise is to take 5570-5680 and take it out of Part 15, or limit Part 15 use to indoor low power only (like 5150-5250). Then the 110 MHz at risk can be made available under Part 90, as nonexclusive light licensing. The license would have to specify its frqeuencies area of operation, and follow rules that avoid TDWR interference. So if it's within say 10 miles of a TDWR, it would need the 30 MHz spacing, and if within some larger radius, it would need less spacing, and if way far from one of them, it could operate within the TDWR band. In exchange for this, we should ask for higher power limits, perhaps the same as on 5725-5850 ISM, for places where it wouldn't interfere with TDWR (say if it's both 30 MHz and 20 km away, or 100 km away). This could be done with a map of both TDWR and any other protected radars. At 2/9/2011 01:59 PM, Jack Unger wrote: On 2/9/2011 9:49 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: The proper fix for this problem is a visit from the enforcement guys, and a nasty fine for repeat offenders. jau Joint FAA/FCC Enforcement teams have been out for a long time but this is a VERY costly solution and likely not sustainable in this era of shrinking budgets. That's why it's better to solve this problem before enforcement becomes the option of (costly) last resort. WISPA has suggested to the FCC that they better PUBLICIZE enforcement actions and they are considering that. After that, what would be so hard about using sensing and DFS (done right this time) to cause systems near the radars to notch out the 110mhz of spectrum while not bothering anyone else? jau This is much more difficult that it sounds. The wireless industry has been working for over a year (manufacturers, chip makers, etc.) to do this and has so far been unable to come up with an acceptable technical solution. The effort is on hold at the moment. The radar systems are well known, should be an easy signal to detect. jau They are not so easy to detect. New radar waveforms come into use. Radars go on and off-line. Wireless systems can't sit around all day just listening; they have real world traffic to handle. Again, the best minds in the industry have so far failed to figure out an acceptable solution. The radios already tend to send a LOT of data back and forth, radio name, signal levels, speed, language, channel used etc. etc. etc. Certainly any radio that turns on could sense for 30 seconds, if it detects a TDWR signal at a certain threshold, then report than back to the AP and the AP could then lock out the needed channels for that particular location. jau You are more than welcome to volunteer to join the wireless Industry Group engineering team that has been addressing this issue for the last year. I'll be happy to introduce you to the team leader so you can sign up to contribute your engineering advice. This should be able to be done via a firmware upgrade to any legacy or new hardware out there. jau Well, the manufacturers are not stepping up to develop new firmware. This is one of the frustrations that the FCC feels. Cheap, relatively easy, fixes the problem and does NOT take away 110mhz of newly acquired spectrum from the rest of the country. jauI would welcome your help to reach out to and motivate the manufacturers to do this. Let me know when you are ready to start your outreach program. A quick note on PR. The operator(s) there has run foot loose and fancy free with the rules for as long as I can remember. Perhaps it's time to fine them at a high enough level that it puts them out of business? Kind of a 3 strikes your out thing. jau Yep. Sounds right. jack marlon -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You
Re: [WISPA] FCC Favors Shifting Rural Subsidies To Broadband
USF should not go to areas that meet criteria for an already demonstrated ability to have private sector dollars profitably deploy broadband. Check out my blog on the topic with a data chart for a few states as to the household density of those areas with existing broadband and those without. USF funds on a state by state basis should not be able to be used in areas that fall within the numbers where it has been proven that broadband systems have been deployed without USF assistance http://wp.me/p1eoQy-f Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 5:55 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] FCC Favors Shifting Rural Subsidies To Broadband Ugh...not good. Last thing I need is to compete with the ILEC who is getting money from the Universal Slush Fund to provide government subsidized broadband in rural areas. And I can see every ILEC in America lobbing to ensure that the distribution of USF continues as is if the shift is made to broadband instead of telephone...basically filling the ILEC's coffers! The FCC is looking for comments, so we all need to make it quite clear that the funds should be available for any and all broadband providers! http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20110207/tc_nf/77213 Bret Bret Clark Spectra Access 25 Lowell Street Manchester, NH 03101 www.spectraaccess.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISP A Final Definition ...
We need to take part 15 out of there. 3.65 is part 90 and those outside the US do not abide by FCC rules. There are also WISP's who would operate on EBS frequencies plus there is the whole part 101 thing. Thank You, Brian Webster 214 Eggleston Hill Rd. Cooperstown, NY 13326 (607) 643-4055 Office (607) 435-3988 Mobile (208) 692-1898 Fax Skype: Radiowebst www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 10:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] WISP A Final Defination ... A WISP is a Community based, Wireless Internet Service Provider that operates using terrestrial-based radio technology, primarily governed by FCC Part 15 regulations; to transport and sell fixed wireless broadband access or related Internet Protocol derived services to end users. Victoria Proffer - President/CEO StLouisBroadband.com http://stlbroadband.com/ http://showmebroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.com http://www.farmingtonmo.us/blog BLOG: FarmingtonMO.us 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband St. Louis WISP since 2003 SBA Certified WOSB http://stlbroadband.com/ STLBBLogo WISPA Board of Directors 2010 - 2011 WISPA - Missouri State Coordinator http://wispa.org/ Wispa_logo2008SM CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may be protected by legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by returning it to the sender and deleting or destroying the e-mail and any attachments without retaining any copies. Thank you for your cooperation. attachment: image001.jpg attachment: image002.gif WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Extending white spaces rules to other under-utilized spectrum
Some of us noticed this which is part of the reason the pleading for the voluntary registration in the TDWR database and the interest in the TVWS database methods. TVWS is a test to see if people can behave enough to extend the methodology to pretty much any spectrum that is not being utilized in a given area at any given point and time. If people constantly step outside the rules and do things like run too high a power or fiddle with things that cause interference, expect that there will be no access to other spectrum. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brough Turner Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 10:53 AM To: WISPA General List; memb...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA Members] Extending white spaces rules to other under-utilized spectrum http://blogs.broughturner.com/2011/02/extending-white-spaces-rules-to-other -under-utilized-spectrum.html http://blogs.broughturner.com/2011/02/extending-white-spaces-rules-to-other- under-utilized-spectrum.html Few seem to have noticed, but the FCC has an open http://www.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2010/db1130/FCC-10-198A1.p df Notice of Inquiry in which, among other things, they say, 48. ... An alternative approach for enabling dynamic spectrum use is to extend the concepts underlying the rules for Television Band Devices to additional spectrum bands. ... Commenters should address whether they believe this concept is practical for other bands. If so, they should identify in which bands they believe such a system could work and provide details on how it would work. Wow! This is action on Recommendation 5.13 in http://www.broadband.gov/plan/5-spectrum/#s5-6 Section 5.6 of the FCC's National Broadband Plan. While I'm generally disappointed with the National Broadband Plan, this is one place where there's a (perhaps remote) possibility for real, long term progress. As I've http://blogs.broughturner.com/2010/10/long-term-significance-of-tv-white-sp aces.html commented in the past, the largest value of the TV White Spaces ruling is that it provides a path for opening up more of our incredibly under-utilized spectrum. This NOI is the first step. Comments are due by February 28, 2011 and reply comments by March 28, 2011. Directions and links are available on http://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2010/12/28/2010-32491/promoting-mor e-efficient-use-of-spectrum-through-dynamic-spectrum-use-technologies this Federal Register page. Thanks, Brough netBlazr - Free your broadband http://netblazr.com Mobile: 617-285-0433 Skype: brough WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Leasing towers to Cell Carriers
That is exactly how it happens. Did it for years and I can tell you the lazy site acquisition people will take the path of least resistance. Make their life easy. You trying to call a carrier will probably not even get to the right place. They make expansion plans at least a year in advance, they won't change their build out plan for one tower site. If you happen to fall in their plan you might be in luck. Your asking rent can make HUGE difference in getting a carrier on your site. $25 a month difference in rent catches a carrier's attention when you consider how many towers they have nationwide, every dollar in rent saved adds up each month over all those sites. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 1:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Leasing towers to Cell Carriers I will say it again, but I of course have no experience with this so I am quite sure 9809895234345 people will correct me. The best way to market your towers to cellular carriers. 1. Hang a sign. WIRELESS SPACE FOR LEASE. 2. Do an FAA on your tower. https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/portal.jsp 3. Do an FCC on your tower. http://wireless.fcc.gov/antenna/index.htm?job=home 4. Sit back and wait to become a millionare. Heck, my housekeeper has an Aunt that knows a woman at her granddaughters school whose son in law gets 18k a month from his ground lease! Almost every carrier uses a site acquisition contractor for their sites, and the FAA and FCC are the first places they look. Then they go and drive around. If there are multiple towers in their search ring, they are going to look for the friendly tower companies, ie, ones they have done business with before, or the ones that are inviting them to do business with them, ie the sign. ATT Wireless probably uses 30 different contractors alone. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:47 AM Subject: [WISPA] Leasing towers to Cell Carriers I have a couple of Rohn SSV-MW 250' towers located in areas with spotty cell service. I wouldn't mind getting a few carriers on these towers. I have been successful in finding contact information for ATT and T-Mobile, but nobody else. Does anyone have any contact information for these guys? Regards, Chuck WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] new list
I think Alex Goldman is already doing that and posting on the WISPA page. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Goldberg Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 1:32 PM To: 'spie...@avolve.net'; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list So I follow like 13 lists/forums now (all the freakin wireless ones + nanog + c-nsp + j-nsp). I'm going make a helpdesk dude summarize the signal and ditch the noise, and do a one-page weekly writeup. Then I'm going to monetize the writeup. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 12:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list LOL, funny how my history teacher was right about his saying, history repeats itself. I remember being on the isp-wireless list and getting emailed about one sentence responses and emailed everyone I was done. So Mike started up the Part-15 lists. Then it went from there to WISPA. Then splintered to AFMUG and Butch's Mikrotik list. Now we may be back to WISPA and the new wug.cc , although I do believe in neutrality, but no hard core bashing. Be a little mature ( although it's hard to say what age this begins ) about posts and put some forethought in responses. Oh I almost forgot wisp-equipment, Judd's list. -- Original Message -- From: support supp...@nitline.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 12:18:52 -0600 I don't see the list as a replacement but 1 more good tool in the tool box think its more to replace AFMUG we are all getting sick of chuck getting angry On 1/24/2011 12:11 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Um people bash WISPA on this list occasionally. It's usually not warranted. There are a few trolls that like to make trouble. Why do you feel that we can't bash WISPA on this list? If there are legitimate concerns with the organization, and one feels they are a threat to the industry, then voice them. Also going on a list and complaining usually doesn't get anything done. It just wastes peoples time and bandwidth. If someone has constructive criticism, and a well reasoned argument/position, that will get something done. I've subscribed to the WUG list. Hopefully it will be interesting and not a waste of time, however I will probably start various new threads on the WISPA list, as it has served my and many others needs quite well. I've been on the list since 2008 and been very happy with it. Numerous products/services/organizations have been praised when necessary, and called out when necessary. So I'm not quite sure the purpose of the WUG list. We will see what the WUG list does. My initial feelings, is that it will be a fringe list that ends up doing a lot of harm to the industry. Journalists will see lots of trolling and pick that out as the face of the industry, because it makes better material for the sensationalist media. I realize that as business owners, we have very strong opinions and value our independence and rights. However we must also keep in mind that we as an industry are under attack on a continuous basis. WISPA has provided a focal point for us to coalesce around as an industry. They have continuously shown a deep understanding of how to keep the industry growing. They have produced a number of products (3.65 regs, whitespaces, dfrs etc.) These end products take substantial amounts of time and effort to produce. They have seen how the sausage is made, and not been afraid to get their hands dirty. I hope to join WISPA in the near future and contribute my support. I've been slowly ramping up my WISP and preparing to roll out a broad beta. I should get back to that now, have a demo due by the end of the week On 01/24/2011 09:29 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: To be entirely neutral. We can't bash WISPA if we wanted to, for example. We can't bash a company that is affiliated with WISPA. Probably not the best example, but this way we are entirely free to do what we want. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Steve Barnesst...@pcswin.com wrote: Not sure of the reason for this Post here. Isn't the wireless@wispa.org a free non-vendor specific list? Is this a post to pull users from WISPA? Steve Barnes -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 11:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] new list Hi, In an effort to create
Re: [WISPA] 2.4 foliage propagation
Have you done a spectrum study on the towers to see what the noise floor is like? I have heard some say the Ubiquity MIMO stuff covers like 900 MHz in areas with reasonable noise levels. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 8:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2.4 foliage propagation Well, no, the foliage doesn't make noise, but everything in Wal-Mart has a 2.4 Ghz transmitter in it now. Those are antenna gains. Radios would be up to 20 or so. Tower most likely would be above the trees, but the CPE surely wouldn't. If the CPE were above the trees, then I'd just use 5 gig and above the noise\limited spectrum. I wouldn't imagine I'd have to go more than a half mile between the start of trees and the CPE. It wouldn't be a half mile of forest, though. Houses, roads, yards, etc. in those trees. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/18/2011 6:55 PM, Jack Unger wrote: On 1/18/2011 4:46 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I know it sucks compared to lower frequencies. Yes I know it typically has a high noise floor. Foliage doesn't create noise, only attenuates signal. I've never used it outdoor for real world experience. I'm looking at some small towns and other groups of houses with no more than 300 people or so (some much smaller). They are old, so they have adult trees. Is it reasonable to expect to be able to service these homes with 18 dBi at the CPE and 20 dB at the tower? ERP or transmit power? Plan to mount all your antennas (AP and CPE) above the trees or else... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Households and population passed by the WISP industry..... over 76 Million households
Yes they do want it by tract. The best way to study this is down to the census block. Census blocks are small geographic areas and in states like California and Illinois there are about half a million blocks. WISPA and the WISP industry has been asking for some way to quantify some sort of numbers that they can quote when talking about the WISP industry as a whole. I would LOVE to map exactly where EVERY WISP covers with their RF signal and then do a household count at the census block level. That is the most accurate. However, I don't have every WISP's RF footprint and I don't have the volunteer time to do every state separately and then add up the nation as a whole. You can't put the whole country together as one file of census blocks, it's too much data. I could do this and I also have all of the blocks covered by cable and DSL so I could tabulate the number of homes WISP's cover that those industries don't. It all takes time and I can't do that for free nor am I willing to give up the information about the cable and DSL coverage since I paid a large sum of money for that data set. The zip code method was something that I could do on a nationwide basis without taking a huge amount of my time. It's a start. If the industry really wants more accurate numbers I am available for hire. This is how I make a living. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: David E. Smith [mailto:d...@mvn.net] Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 10:40 AM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Households and population passed by the WISP industry. over 76 Million households On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 22:43, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: A week or so ago, I ran a study of the population and households passed by principal WISPA members. Tonight I ran the numbers based on the whole national WISP coverage map you all contributed to over the last couple of years. The method for the calculation is pretty basic. For every zip code tabulation area there is a standard recognized centroid point. I took the big yellow national WISP coverage blob http://www.wirelessmapping.com/National-Coverage-Map-for-Fixed-Wireless-ISP% 27s.php and selected all of the zip code centroid points contained within it. I found a database table of households and populations for these zip code tabulation areas. The numbers are based on the 2000 census data so it's a bit stale. Isn't this exactly why the FCC now requests counts by census tract? ZIP codes are awfully big in some places, and just because an ISP can service one person in a ZIP, doesn't guarantee they can service everyone. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Households and population passed by the WISP industry..... over 76 Million households
Every WISP who participates in their state mapping efforts should be able to get a copy of their network shape file that has been created. I have received a couple of them from various WISP's. The problem is many WISP's did not participate in their state broadband mapping efforts. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: Cameron Crum [mailto:cc...@wispmon.com] Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 12:57 PM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Households and population passed by the WISP industry. over 76 Million households Plus you'd have to trust that all the coverage footprints are correct...something that could be very subjective. An accurate study like what you are suggesting would be a massive undertaking to do well. I don't blame you at all for not wanting to give that away. I'm curious as to what Connected Nation is doing with all that coverage data they are producing? Shouldn't that be available since it is being funded with taxpayer money? Regards, Cameron On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: Yes they do want it by tract. The best way to study this is down to the census block. Census blocks are small geographic areas and in states like California and Illinois there are about half a million blocks. WISPA and the WISP industry has been asking for some way to quantify some sort of numbers that they can quote when talking about the WISP industry as a whole. I would LOVE to map exactly where EVERY WISP covers with their RF signal and then do a household count at the census block level. That is the most accurate. However, I don't have every WISP's RF footprint and I don't have the volunteer time to do every state separately and then add up the nation as a whole. You can't put the whole country together as one file of census blocks, it's too much data. I could do this and I also have all of the blocks covered by cable and DSL so I could tabulate the number of homes WISP's cover that those industries don't. It all takes time and I can't do that for free nor am I willing to give up the information about the cable and DSL coverage since I paid a large sum of money for that data set. The zip code method was something that I could do on a nationwide basis without taking a huge amount of my time. It's a start. If the industry really wants more accurate numbers I am available for hire. This is how I make a living. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: David E. Smith [mailto:d...@mvn.net] Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 10:40 AM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Households and population passed by the WISP industry. over 76 Million households On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 22:43, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: A week or so ago, I ran a study of the population and households passed by principal WISPA members. Tonight I ran the numbers based on the whole national WISP coverage map you all contributed to over the last couple of years. The method for the calculation is pretty basic. For every zip code tabulation area there is a standard recognized centroid point. I took the big yellow national WISP coverage blob http://www.wirelessmapping.com/National-Coverage-Map-for-Fixed-Wireless-ISP% 27s.php and selected all of the zip code centroid points contained within it. I found a database table of households and populations for these zip code tabulation areas. The numbers are based on the 2000 census data so it's a bit stale. Isn't this exactly why the FCC now requests counts by census tract? ZIP codes are awfully big in some places, and just because an ISP can service one person in a ZIP, doesn't guarantee they can service everyone. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Meeting today with Connected Nation........
So do tell, what did they have to say? Thank You, Brian Webster 214 Eggleston Hill Rd. Cooperstown, NY 13326 (607) 643-4055 Office (607) 435-3988 Mobile (208) 692-1898 Fax Skype: Radiowebst www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 10:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Meeting today with Connected Nation http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6cvnhPh6jo Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Cell 937-903-1286 Affordable Internet For Everyone! image001.png Description: Binary data WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Meeting today with Connected Nation........
Whaaa whhhaat want wannnt waannnt waa J From: Robert West [mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 10:51 PM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Meeting today with Connected Nation You remember the teacher in the Charlie Brown (Sponsored by Dolly Madison Cakes) Specials? It was kinda like that. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 10:48 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Meeting today with Connected Nation So do tell, what did they have to say? Thank You, Brian Webster 214 Eggleston Hill Rd. Cooperstown, NY 13326 (607) 643-4055 Office (607) 435-3988 Mobile (208) 692-1898 Fax Skype: Radiowebst www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 10:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Meeting today with Connected Nation http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6cvnhPh6jo Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Cell 937-903-1286 Affordable Internet For Everyone! image001.png Description: Binary data WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Totally OT - USS Nimitz during bad weather- Flight ops on a pitching deck
For those of you who think you have had bad days, watch this two part video. Carrier flight operations are hard enough in good conditions. It will make you appreciate your day to day life no matter how tough it gets. This is an excellent video from KPBS. Why Naval Aviators are the best trained pilots in the world! You can turn on your sound and go full screen. These videos show the difference between Naval Aviation and any other kind. The links below are two videos about F-18 carrier operations aboard the USS Nimitz during weather that causes a severely pitching deck, which you can see in the videos. It's more dangerous than most combat missions and the tension in the pilots and crew is very apparent. Watch Part 1 first, then Part 2. Great videos. Part One http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=4gGMI8d3vLs http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=4gGMI8d3vLs Part Two http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=S0yj70QbBzg http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=S0yj70QbBzg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 11Ghz Licensing Warning Question
The last two entries are relative to the FAA height restrictions for that location based on a possible encroachment to an instrument approach of one kind or another. If this link is going on an existing tower or structure, make sure you have the proper mounting height and that it does not exceed the existing structure height. If you took a guess at the mounting height, this may be your problem and you requested a height taller than the existing approved structure. If it is a new tower you are building, you will need to go through the whole FAA study process and will likely have to light this structure if you can even get the requested height approved. If this is going on an existing structure that has lights, find out the current FAA approval number for the study that was originally conducted and put that on the application. Thank You, Brian Webster http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 5:46 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] 11Ghz Licensing Warning Question Comsearch has this to say on one of the sites in coordination, anyone know what it is supposed to mean? They are closed now, I'm not being patient sry :) Path Warnings Document FCC Rule Part(s) Description Result / Action N/A site1 Radio Equipped with Adaptive Modulation. Review Radio Parameters N/A site2 Radio Equipped with Adaptive Modulation. Review Radio Parameters 101.31 (b) (1) (ii) site1 - ASR may be required based on C/L Height. Verify/Change Antenna Height or File with FAA N/A site1 Failed Glide Slope or Height requirement. Verify/Change Antenna Height or File with FAA Thanks Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 http://www.flhsi.com/files/emaillogo.jpg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.
Might be worth bringing up those rulings in the 3.65 bands about no first squatters rights and mention to old boy that if they don't get those rights in a licensed service, he should not expect them in unlicensed. You are still going to have to keep the mindset that this guy is thinking my mind is made up, don't try to confuse me with the facts. Some people like to refer to capitalism as being great until they have a competitor show up trying to take some of their market share...then the capitalism should only apply to them because they thought of it first... Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 2:01 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy. Problem is old boy doesn't want to change a thing, he seems to think he's king of the roost since he was first in. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 11:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy. Have everyone use Canopy, sync the aps together, and problems go away. Or wait for UBNT AirSync. Regards, Chuck On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I'm throwing this out there for another WISP to see if anyone has any experience with something like this or any ideas. Within the past year this operator was asked by a grain operator to bring broadband to all of their grain legs. The operator had the idea of, instead of charging the grain dealer for the install, to offer the broadband for free in exchange for using the legs for access points and sell the service to local customers. The grain dealer agreed, obviously, so he built out a fairly good sized network. For equipment he is using all Ubiquiti radios and CPE units and with Pac grids and Bullets for his back haul and Rockets with sectors at the APs. Network has been working perfectly. That's the setup. Now for the trouble. There was and still is an existing WISP in the area. 60 customers or so. (Grain dealer is associated with OLD wisp in a roundabout way but chose not to use him for whatever reason) It's reported that boy is in love with Bullets and OMNI antennas on all of his APs. For CPEs he goes for large grids and Bullets, I believe. He also pushes it as far as he can go, 5 miles or more on those OMNI APs. New operator is using 5.8 for Back Haul, 2.4 for CPE. Old WISP calls new WISP almost immediately. Interference taking down his network. New wisp changes channels to those suggested by old wisp. Calls again, interference. New wisp changes channels again. Another phone call, he changes yet again. Then drops down to 10MHz channels to give more room. Still the phone calls. For a time it was every evening he would have to deal with old wisp and still he wouldn't be happy. Old wisp then starts calling the owners of the grain legs raising hell and bad mouthing new wisp. Leg owner calls new wisp, What's Up? Old wisp then wants to sell his network to new wisp for fantasy cash. I tell new wisp, Chill, don't even think of buying that idiot and his duct tape network. New wisp then buys a 3.65 license but we all know how long that sucker takes and the limitations it has with number of channels and the $$ premium per unit. New wisp has been very nice to all parties and has done, from what I see, about all he can do. He's within all power regulations and has bent over backwards to every request put to him by this guy. (One of the last comments from old WISP was that he would get a sector and, in so many words, blast him and take down his network) Now the latest. Old wisp has contacted the leg owners and has put together a meeting between old wisp, all of new wisps grain leg owners, new wisp and two outside parties, one of which is related to old wisp boy. New Wisp is at a loss to what more can be accomplished other than old wisp upgrade his OMNIs to sectors in order to isolate the RF away from a competing channel. Anyone have any solid resolutions that he can throw out to old wisp boy ? Surely someone here has been there before. Thanks! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.
Unfortunately Jack is right on this. When I was deploying for EarthLink in Philly a competitive WISP using Canopy in the 5.7 band got an emergency session in Federal Court. This judge was sympathetic to the small WISP being bullied by big EarthLink. We were both running Canopy and small WISP had a 50/50 split while we were running 75/25 upload download ratio. We were not being bother by them by they were being bothered by us for half of their uplink time slot. As our lawyers realized the Judge was not buying on to the you have to accept interference and there are no protection rules, we were able to force the issue and conversations to the fact that small WISP was being stubborn and not trying to work things out with us technically. End result was that we both went to a 66/33 split and all was well. The story to be learned is that the judge you may be in front of will not understand the actual law and the technical parameters, he could very well rule on what that judge thinks is right and shut you down. You would be left to fight under appeals and probably be off the air the whole time. A very costly battle, one of which the person with the deepest pockets survives. Understand that I did not say the one who was in the right survives... Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 3:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy. I agree with your analysis but unless NB is very knowledgeable and sharp in explaining the law there is a good chance that OB is going to convince or confuse the audience at that meeting that NB is the villain who should be thrown off the grain legs. On 12/29/2010 12:20 PM, Sam Tetherow wrote: Not sure how 'old boy's' (OB) crappy network design is 'new boy's' (NB) problem. Unlicensed spectrum is just that, unlicensed, if he wants protection he should have bought spectrum. As long as NB is following part15 rules and not maliciously trying to interfere with OB's network then OB has to accept interference from NB's network, just as NB has to accept interference from OB's network. It seems that NB has tried to get along, it is about time OB started taking some responsibility for his network. I don't get to tell everyone that bought a wireless router in town to take them back because they interfere with my WISP. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless On 12/29/10 1:16 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Here is my take: Old boy was there first New boy rolls in on a sweet deal for tower owner Old boy's network is hosed due to interference from new boy Sound like new boy is the problem regardless of how old boy's network is built (it worked before new boy came along). I'm guessing no spectrum analysis was done in advance or new boy would have seen it was a no go. New boy needs to look at using a different band or buy out old boy. I would HIGHLY recommend new boy bail on 2.4, and use 5.8 UBNT Rockets with Sectors. He will be able to provide a higher class of service and be installing what he should have installed in the first place. New boy should include in the tower agreement language for exclusivity on 3.65, 5.2, 5.4, and whatever unused channels there are on 5.8. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 11:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy. Problem is old boy doesn't want to change a thing, he seems to think he's king of the roost since he was first in. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 11:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy. Have everyone use Canopy, sync the aps together, and problems go away. Or wait for UBNT AirSync. Regards, Chuck On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I'm throwing this out there for another WISP to see if anyone has any experience with something like this or any ideas. Within the past year this operator was asked by a grain operator to bring broadband to all of their grain legs. The operator had the idea of, instead of charging the grain dealer for the install, to offer the broadband for free in exchange for using the legs for access points and sell the service to local customers. The grain dealer agreed, obviously, so he built out a fairly good sized network. For equipment he is using all Ubiquiti radios and CPE units and with Pac grids and Bullets for his back haul and Rockets with sectors at the APs. Network has been working perfectly. That's the setup. Now for the trouble. There was and still is an existing WISP in the area. 60 customers or so. (Grain dealer
Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.
Or better yet turn off those silly Omni sites and let the old boy wholesale on the new boys network. Old boy doesn't have to maintain sites and bandwidth anymore and the spectrum will get used most efficiently because both operators will not be trying to dance around each other's channel plans. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles N Wyble Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 5:33 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy. -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Why don't the two WISPS peer with each other? That seems like a much better outcome to me. Coordinate all your gear together, go in together on backhaul etc. Form a strategic partnership. - -- Charles N Wyble (char...@knownelement.com) Systems craftsman for the stars http://www.knownelement.com Mobile: 626 539 4344 Office: 310 929 8793 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNG7b8AAoJEMvvG/TyLEAtDhsP/30tw5lT6t1l0IcBmmm9bs8e Qf06WQbo9IgGxGlcWOQyL3au/nQmPYuFV8d3JVp71nkGXjVKRKPrGvdG3dBjfjix xrnplevyRZ205ksgYa7dJK1IsUfTTDXVo5Yw/LdrnIG9M0Mn3hSy8QmnCr7H1wZD zy5BLXqyf/QyLEy4oD7CN9EXk553rVf6I0ElmLRmYStK9oIhL79b3HrkN9pBxpZ+ BtEtrEAZzjzcK8bLoY3KmvKqK+V98/oQU73CAXwME/GOpiyFCWv9AX7UZyysMrIZ 3z0p9G9PtcvhuCRhiehjFsdRZV+JvznO/gI00fnCHZWRHsHT0yb4W6AyqLsYEgsM lBMBw1iCG/UZ24luJamM90h0KfVQ48o8mkI3h4AI1vVN658UNJoVsvX4IUqH8BcN 3d1r/w9WKEPOaEVd7F4fR7aCuLipZzIZNsTLoA5DLPAMZFCGYDRC57sydTTqgyL6 QIzfbhbICnv7a7ko+n0s7MvHaI1D/PNi5ckXxdCef/Nw5de0cv7M1PM9fK9fHomz CZhkMJA0qPv0V7yQr6+dIOTZLf19DyHk5uVzQXIITN9bO55XTmGV7ZgYnPCMMtwe 2iQ1l/XzywcaKbOoV44rP8yhIRqTol14XKqIgICQuWyQos+m/qTI/lQ26E2g8SQr cu0HzLf7IWOhom6UWTha =py8H -END PGP SIGNATURE- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Free Press Floods the FCC With Net Neutrality Petitions
This sounds like a good idea. To help this I think we should get every WISP to put a pushpin on Google Earth at their peering point(s) and create a master file to talk with these peering partners. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles N Wyble Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 2:56 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Free Press Floods the FCC With Net Neutrality Petitions -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/16/2010 02:07 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote: ATT/Verizion/WISPS should be aggressively targeting Comcast subscribers with much better rates, and peering with L3/Netflix everywhere. This is what an ASN and your own IP space buys you. Well thats part of the problem. Do we really have that option? L3 and Netflix often deny peering requests from smaller operators. They dont let us play, and dont always allow us the option to share in the savings. So what do you think NetFlix's mentality is If we were to want to interconnect Would they ask us to eat the cost to build out to them, or would they eat the csot to build out to us, or would we share the csot and meet in the middle? Everyone thinks they are more valluable than the small local provider, and the small local provider usually gets leveraged into paying the cost to interconnect. Why shouldn't WISPs have peering relationships direct with NetFlix, where either party pays the other for having higher push traffic? Why are we not worthy to be the recipient of compinsation in peering? Let's get some data around this. How many WISPS here have tried to peer? With whom? On what terms? I know Akamai has traffic commits. Do the other players? Let's start some open dialog and as an industry leverage our collective bargaining power to peer. Generic hand waving and saying big boys won't let us in the sandbox doesn't work for me as an operator. I like specifics. That's something I'm hoping to do with socalwifi.net. I want to create a WISP friendly carrier. Peer with me over a private AS and I'll peer with all the other guys at various interconnection points. Or something like that. I'm working with some top tier networking talent here in the southland to build out the infrastructure. In short I'm building my own middle mile. Of course the socal area is full of carrier neutral interconnection points with wireless meet me rooms. Other areas of the country not so much. Dont misunderstand me, I do not mean to stereo type and I am not saying for sure that NetFlix or any content provider aren't willing to peer or talk about fair terms. I'm just saying, who's in control of whether it will occur? Simple. The eyeball network and the content provider. Not the feds. Not the FCC. A direct 1 to 1 relationship (or an open peering fabric). -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNCm7bAAoJEMvvG/TyLEAtf7MP/R62xrf3a1v/G+mQMCzrA3xi HvbUg7OglDal1JvqFvSrEnIxvq6gmwlrII+XABVo/dlKIGkX9tx6OA8Ni0IOftrn hp6ba5tVdN3nSmkBCKhIK7BpaABHfYDmYlVnGLP7GCweBWClODGK6v0tSUmam//d oXFRtInH7XX+fNC0OQpFPWCJE5TLDRi54Py1Usui+2uYMvyNM1FvqzIgIgJwfgBb gTKRqI+cAzCWch3AlLbdxJhNcNEj4FLo+Fqi8IqNSOB7PbH28hF6Xt7MnuNnvFN8 LmEvHfilhVX2uH908zhvmk93UaJxI1b3SlOnGvstbN/FxBHOpTxjIJhzLyEoD1eO 3muxK9pI7n+XmetTbamBrNVPMGa3S55x8dDCpZiCe2raPukhbiYGEWPRYvslK3/D 1yc2KxZI7Oj7hG88qin9hIqjWOt1I/aoAAGezv0N1Rt/y0oRpP8jubNev+clMcB0 xQzoft8oibP1M+j3J8YvTcYG8fST889MpIrzNCDpKT2NDhpv9XKYDxL+uUvSwf+n Ar10XzASgyle4Ao+z+aIru4rUk44gdGeswbyWhGleAxz7GG+ZlE0NfqA5A6nKH5e JtE2lo+HiE9xDzzOmVVGWy68xHtLYjodQZOM8e0RfolIbtbNCBWUxWBc3PyRuCjv si2j+0ooCeAvT5ZIXe0o =TldW -END PGP SIGNATURE- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Should USF Funds be used for broadband in areas that already support private sector investment?
My second attempt at a blog. This time I look at what threshold already supports private sector broadband systems and pose the thought that USF fund reform should not go to areas that fit that criteria. That criteria can easily be determined now. Check out the sample chart. http://brianwebsterconsulting.wordpress.com/2010/12/16/should-usf-funds-be-u sed-for-broadband-in-areas-that-already-support-private-sector-investment/ Thank You, Brian Webster http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] What happens when you build a wireless internet system and give service away? Look at this example.....
I have started my hand at blogging. This first one talks about a unique situation I ran in to last year that questions the whole concept of public dollars for adoption programs. For a period of almost two years the city of Philadelphia had free Wi-Fi access on the network EarthLink built. I had the opportunity to look at adoption rates for broadband in that city after this was available. The areas with the lowest adoption rates had free access to the internet at speeds of up to 6 meg. I was uniquely positioned to notice this fact. Details and a map are in the blog. Food for thought.. http://brianwebsterconsulting.wordpress.com/2010/12/05/broadband-adoption-is sues/ Thank You, Brian Webster http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] What happens when you build a wireless internet system and give service away? Look at this example.....
I'll go back and do some corollary work and see what I can come up with. Brian -Original Message- From: David E. Smith [mailto:d...@mvn.net] Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 11:55 AM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] What happens when you build a wireless internet system and give service away? Look at this example. On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 10:46, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: For a period of almost two years the city of Philadelphia had free Wi-Fi access on the network EarthLink built. I had the opportunity to look at adoption rates for broadband in that city after this was available. The areas with the lowest adoption rates had free access to the internet at speeds of up to 6 meg. Since you did the mapping, you seem like a good person to ask some of the questions you bring up in your blog. Do you have any data showing how the adoption of broadband relates to, say, income levels? Even if the wi-fi is free, computers aren't. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Question about beacon lights rules on a tower
Helicopters fly at night and in the worst visibility conditions. They fly slow and hover. If there is a particular vector or direction that an antenna blocks the visibility of the beacon light it can cause these types of accidents. A helicopter would linger in a blind spot of the obstructed tower light much longer than a plane would and depending on their direction of flight could be in the blind spot for their whole flight. I too was a lighting compliance expert for a tower company. I filed hundreds of these applications and had the software to do advanced studies near airports that had precision instrument approaches. Many people do not realize that when they construct a 190 or so tower that the crane will be taller than 200ft during construction. You are required to file for a clearance for that crane to exceed the 200ft height even if it is temporary. While they can't do anything to you if you don't file, your insurance carrier will not touch any payout on a claim if it is discovered you did not do the proper paperwork. For liability reasons people want to see that letter from the FAA saying that it is not a hazard to navigation. Another big topic that most people do not realize is that you are also required to run your towers through your state DOT office (They all have an airspace group). They also have the authority to require you to light a tower. Normally the FAA will notify the proper state when you file for a site, but that does not absolve you of your requirement to make sure it has been done. I had a tower in the state of Washington where the FAA said no problem but the state DOT required us to light it. It was in a mountain pass along I-90. Their reasoning was that planes will fly below the cloud cover and follow the valley often with low clearances. They felt the tower should be lit for those circumstances. We had no choice but to light it. It does not cost much time or money to have a tower studied and then file with the FAA. To eliminate the risk of making a mistake and not meeting the proper criteria I think it's foolish not to go through the process for every new structure you build just to cover your butt. Relying solely on the TOWAIR tool on the FCC web site and/or the tool on the FAA web site makes me nervous, many times I found them to be wrong in situations where you are close to a public airfield or in the path of an instrument procedure. Instrument approaches can have an effect up to 10 nautical miles from the end of a runway. www.airspaceusa.com has an excellent team who can help especially in difficult situations. I have no financial interest in the company but did work with them in the past and found them to be top notch. Their President is a retired FAA airspace expert. Thank You, Brian Webster Skype: Radiowebst www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 11:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question about beacon lights rules on a tower I'm not surprised but what I find interesting is this: How does a few feet make a difference to a helicopter or airplane? Why would you be that close to a tower either way? On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com wrote: My first job out of college was working as an RF engineer for Sprint Cellular. One of the joyful tasks I had to do as a very junior engineer was audit FCC and FAA filings for about 500 cell sites along the eastern seaboard. The regulations then, and I believe still, are that nothing is supposed to be higher than the top light and that anything that does exceed that height requires a submission of a notice of proposed change, an approval for such change, and then a notice of completion once the change has been made. In addition, if you do exceed that height, you must raise the light so that it is at least even with the highest point of any attachments that protrude from the top of the tower. All that being said, if the tower does not require lighting, then you can do whatever you want. Some cities light every water tower even though there is no requirement to do so. If the tower is not registered with the FAA, and your attachments don't exceed a height that requires you to register, then bolt away. Otherwise, it is best to stay in compliance. I forgot to mention that the reason I had to do the audit, was because Sprint failed to temporarily light a tower under construction. A care flight helicopter transporting a crash victim smacked it and everyone died. Cameron On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 10:11 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: If you cant then every government emergency service agency around here is in trouble! On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I know you can mount above it. Tons of towers around here do. On Dec 2, 2010 9:24 PM, Christopher Hair wirele...@ntinet.com wrote
Re: [WISPA] OT Laptops....
Refurbed Dell laptops with XP Pro for $288 each http://www.pcforsale.com/ Brian -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 11:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT Laptops Look on Ebay.. for older models. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 11/30/2010 10:40 PM, bmoldas...@gmail.com wrote: Tons of options if you want Windows 7. I need Windows XP operating system. I tried all those. $1000+ for Win 7 downgradeable to Win XP Faisal Imtiaz writes: these days.. take your pick... www.compusa.com www.officedepot.com www.officemax.com tons of options for sub $500 notebook ! Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 11/30/2010 10:11 PM, bmoldas...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone have a source for new netbooks or small laptops with Win XP operating system? Looking for something sub $600. Using it strictly for programming equipment and running diagnostics. Not doing anything CPU intensive. Unfortunately we are running quite a few programs that don't play well with WIN 7. Tnx -B- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, NY 11741 800-479-9195 631-286-8873 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, NY 11741 800-479-9195 631-286-8873 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon LTE
Read that to be they are working with those folks who operate their own cellular systems and are current Verizon Roaming partners……. Brian From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 8:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Verizon LTE Just got this from Verizon as a link on a advertisement: Verizon's 4G network will be available in 38 markets and major airports, covering approximately 100+ million people by the end of the year. We plan to double that in 2012 and cover our entire existing 3G footprint with 4G LTE by the end of 2013. Verizon Wireless is aggressively building the nation’s first 4G LTE network across the same footprint that is currently covered by its nationwide 3G network, which covers more than 90% of the U.S. population. In order to provide access to this 4G LTE network to more of the U.S. population living in rural areas, Verizon Wireless plans to work with rural companies to collaboratively build and operate a 4G network in those areas using the tower and backhaul assets of the rural company and Verizon Wireless’ core LTE equipment and 700MHz spectrum. Verizon Wireless provides a unique opportunity for selected participants to leverage the company’s technical and spectrum resources. We are seeking companies that can assist in bringing the benefits of 4G LTE service to rural areas that currently lack Verizon Wireless coverage. Verizon Wireless may work with rural companies that have towers and backhaul capabilities, even if those companies are not currently wireless operators. Together, we will plan and coordinate a local LTE deployment schedule that makes sense for both Verizon Wireless and the rural company that we are collaborating with. http://aboutus.vzw.com/rural/Overview.html Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon LTE
Blake this is an excellent post and you are correct in that they are slow to change. Some markets will be better than others depending on the personality of the Chief Engineer. Brian -Original Message- From: Blake Bowers [mailto:bbow...@mozarks.com] Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 8:58 AM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon LTE At the risk of being corrected yet again, I would recomend contacting them. I believe you will find (over time) that they are a bit more open than you believe. It is a slow process however. The big thing they are looking for are towers and backhaul. Many of the middle mile companies that have recently gotten funding are going to do quite well with this. From their web page, To learn about participating in this program, companies should contactphilip.jun...@verizonwireless.com with the following information: a.. Name and address of company b.. Contact name and title c.. Contact phone number d.. Contact E-mail address e.. Please describe your business, including the counties and states in which you operate f.. Please identify the rural areas that your business serves that you believe are in need of a 4G wireless network g.. Please provide us any comments, questions, or concerns you have about our initiative Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 7:50 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon LTE Read that to be they are working with those folks who operate their own cellular systems and are current Verizon Roaming partners……. Brian From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 8:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Verizon LTE Just got this from Verizon as a link on a advertisement: WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about?
More of the change everyone wanted Brian From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about? I heard about this on the Tech News Today podcast. Folks are not happy about it. It sounds like the end of encryption without back doors, without the govt having the keys. Greg On Oct 19, 2010, at 2:25 PM, MDK wrote: LOL... Seriously, I've not seen any mention of this anywhere on any of the wireless sites, nor any other news site... So, my question... Does anyone know anything about this? I'm thinking that just about every telecom/internet/isp/voip/etc engaged entity should be on high alert to head this off at the pass, so to speak. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ From: RickG mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:39 AM To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about? They'll call it the obama-air bill. On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:35 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/19/us/19wiretap.html?_r=1 Quote: An Obama administration task force that includes officials from the Justice and Commerce Departments, the http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/f/federal _bureau_of_investigation/index.html?inline=nyt-org F.B.I.and other agencies recently began working on draft legislation to strengthen and expand the Communications Assistance to Law Enforcement Act, a 1994 law that says telephone and broadband companies must design their services so that they can begin conducting surveillance of a target immediately after being presented with a court order. There is not yet agreement over the details, according to officials familiar with the deliberations, but they said the administration intends to submit a package to Congress next year. Another quote: Another proposal would create an incentive for companies to show new systems to the F.B.I. before deployment. Under the plan, an agreement with the bureau certifying that the system is acceptable would be an alternative safe harbor, ensuring the firm could not be fined. I am obviously not being... anything other that correct to say People, this is serious... You can't deploy anything new until the government approves of it, or face massive liability for fines and fees? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3650 Deployment
Second order diversity antenna systems can make a very big difference in the overall performance too. Brian From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 Deployment I have a customer at 2 miles that is completely non line of sight that is at -78 if that helps. Sent from my iPhone4 On Oct 19, 2010, at 1:57 PM, David Hannum oujas...@gmail.com wrote: It's been suggested that it's as good or better than 900MHz NLOS up to about 4mi. Thoughts? Dave On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: It’s not magic by any means. Still have the physics of the signal to deal with. It’s major advantage is the noise floor. Don’t expect 3.65 by itself to go through stuff more. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support _ From: David Hannum d.han...@newerabroadband.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 14:08:53 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] 3650 Deployment Hello all, Is anyone who is having success with 3.65GHz in very rural, forrested, hilly areas willing to talk on the phone about it? We're looking at deploying it over 2.4GHz here in the near future. Looking for reasons to or not to from experienced operators. Kind Regards, David Hannum New Era Broadband, LLC _ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISPA Ex Parte Filing from yesterday
Matt, What do you have your availability percentages set at in your network properties of Radio Mobile? For any tree class going above 180 or 200% tells me you have something set wrong in the RF tool somewhere else. The examples I posted are actually in fairly dense forested areas of upstate NY. The tree clutter was factored in to the model. Remember also that in these lower frequencies the tree loss factor drops considerably as the absorption rate gets lower in the lower frequencies. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: Matt Jenkins [mailto:m...@smarterbroadband.net] Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 12:49 PM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA Ex Parte Filing from yesterday Brian, I really like your idea for a full duplex system. Your example does not appear to have much foliage and has rather high density. I feel that TVWS should be used primarily for the low density with lots of foliage. High density areas like that could very easily be serviced with higher frequencies (5.2/5.8) Would you be willing to look at how effective this would be from a tower located at 39.184900 -120.963500? The tree height is on average 120ft. A mix of mostly Pine and some large Oak. By setting the land cover density to 500% in Radio Mobile, I am still not able to adequately reproduce the amount of path loss due to foliage when compared to most links I have deployed in 900mhz. Thanks, - Matt On 10/14/2010 06:16 PM, Brian Webster wrote: The request was made for the simple reason of being able to use the 40 mw devices in a split radio architecture. If anyone caught my posting about how far you can broadcast with 40 mw, it might make more sense. If you transmit on one end of a link using 40 mw radio you could use a high gain antenna on the other ends receiver to make up for the low power. Design a radio with a separate receiver from the transmitter and you can have a multipoint system that can operate in the first adjacent channels and still work for a WISP. The key concept is that your transmitter does not use the same antenna as your receiver keeping the power levels fully legal. The 40 mw devices in the first adjacent channels do not have any HAAT limits. They are referred to as mobile devices. There was a potential problem in the rules to make this work. There was one little statement that said any transmitter and/or receiver could not exceed the HAAT rules. It makes no sense for a receiver to have to abide by that since it cannot cause interference. The FCC apparently agreed. 40 mw transmit into a no gain antenna is legal, a 15 dbi receive antenna on the other end is legal to. Put one of each in all radio devices and we can operate in the first adjacent channels, PLUS you can transmit and receive on separate frequencies thus having 12 MHz to work with. We need to get out of the thought process of half duplex radios operating in a single channel using the same antenna. If you can use first adjacent channels you have a whole lot more capacity in each market than just the 4 watt EIRP non-adjacent channels. Split transmit and receive radios will also allow you to mix and match high and low power. Use high power for the downlink and have multiple remote receivers on the low power channels for the uplink. See the attached Google Earth file comparing the different channels and power levels (save it to your hard drive prior to opening in Google Earth). Remember these TV channels give you 15 to 20 db gain over current unlicensed bands due to the reduction in free space loss that fact in conjunction with a 15 dbi gain receive antenna gives you up to 35 db gain to a 40 mw signal over what one would expect say a 40 mw Wi-Fi radio to broadcast. The second issue they tried to address was the sites that exceed the 76 meter HAAT rules but would not exceed a total of 106 meters HAAT that you would in effect have if you build a 30 meter tower on such a site. They tried to get the erratum fixed to allow for any combination of site elevation and tower height so long as the total HAAT does not exceed the 106 meters. Fred do any of the sites you mention exceed the total HAAT of 106 meters? The FCC said that unless the broadcasters agree that the combination issues was not a big deal it would have to go out for public comment. The receiver issue was just a separate point that was talked about in the same meeting. Please take the time to re-read the FCC notice and use your RF expertise to think of how one can stay within the rules and design radio systems to take full advantage of the rules as they are written. I came up with these thoughts to hopefully get manufacturers to produce devices to take advantage of the new rules, not just repurpose existing unlicensed gear to operate on these new frequencies. That would be a total waste of this new frontier and very spectrum inefficient. Thank You, Brian
[WISPA] Time to update the National WISP Map?
I have been thinking that I should do another update to the WISP National Map. I would really love to improve the quality of the coverage area this time. The thought is to have each WISP who participated in their respective state broadband mapping initiative request a copy of the shape file for their network. If everyone sent that information to me I could use that to create a better nationwide map. Thoughts, ideas, complaints? For those who are not familiar with my previous work on this project you can visit these links: http://www.wirelessmapping.com/National-Coverage-Map-for-Fixed-Wireless-ISP% 27s.php this page describes the project http://www.wirelessmapping.com/Google%20Maps3.htm this links to the live Google Map Brian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Time to update the National WISP Map?
And I wonder what everyone would think about the idea of identifying which WISP is serving the area this time? With all the requests Matt Larson sends out from the WISP Directory, they come directly from the national map. We don't identify who serves the area currently and thus the consumer questions who they should contact. Again, thoughts and ideas or complaints? The last version I ran the WISP's were promised anonymity. This would be a big change and I don't want to violate any trust I had with those who provided information in the past. Brian From: Charles N Wyble [mailto:char...@knownelement.com] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 10:13 AM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time to update the National WISP Map? Brian, I think this is a wonderful idea. :) On 10/11/2010 07:04 AM, Brian Webster wrote: I have been thinking that I should do another update to the WISP National Map. I would really love to improve the quality of the coverage area this time. The thought is to have each WISP who participated in their respective state broadband mapping initiative request a copy of the shape file for their network. If everyone sent that information to me I could use that to create a better nationwide map. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Time to update the National WISP Map?
The problem with the Radio Mobile plots is that they are just image overlays. Shape files are referred to as vector files similar to what Autocad files are. What that means is that the file is a series of instructions of points and instruction on how to connect them to create lines which render at the proper scale and proportion at whatever zoom level the map is rendered. You can equate this to a picture that becomes pixilated when you zoom in too far. To answer your question, I know of no free tools to do what you mention (although they may exist but I don't use them because I have tools for the job already). The process would be to take your image in to some sort of mapping program and calibrate the image so that the software knows the latitude and longitude of any pixel in the image area. You would then have to do some process which would create an outline of the coverage area to develop a polygon line system. This polygon is not a line but a series of instructions using points and commands on how to draw the line at any given zoom level. I do these things in my GIS software and it is a tedious process. One could always hand trace the coverage area using Google Earth. Many did this for the original map. Brian From: Randy Cosby [mailto:dco...@infowest.com] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 10:55 AM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time to update the National WISP Map? Brian, Any tips on turning radiomobile coverage overlays into shape files? I've been playing with some open source tools and have made a little progress, but haven't had time to refine the technique yet. I think if ISPs could produce shape files more easily, the response would be much greater. For our state program (Utah), we gave them gps coords for each subscriber, which they used to extrapolate approximate area. I know they also accepted radiomobile graphic overlays and converted them for some ISP's. Of course they have millions of dollars to spend on such projects... I was disappointed with how few did submit this round. Randy On 10/11/2010 8:04 AM, Brian Webster wrote: I have been thinking that I should do another update to the WISP National Map. I would really love to improve the quality of the coverage area this time. The thought is to have each WISP who participated in their respective state broadband mapping initiative request a copy of the shape file for their network. If everyone sent that information to me I could use that to create a better nationwide map. Thoughts, ideas, complaints? For those who are not familiar with my previous work on this project you can visit these links: http://www.wirelessmapping.com/National-Coverage-Map-for-Fixed-Wireless-ISP% 27s.php this page describes the project http://www.wirelessmapping.com/Google%20Maps3.htm this links to the live Google Map Brian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby| InfoWest, Inc | www.infowest.com Vice President | 435-674-0165 x 2010 | facebook.com/infowest WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Time to update the National WISP Map?
Go ahead and share. Anything to help this industry stand up and be counted is good in my book. Brian -Original Message- From: Kristian Hoffmann [mailto:kh...@fire2wire.com] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 11:41 AM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Cc: 'Randy Cosby' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time to update the National WISP Map? We use Splat! to generate raster maps of our coverage. With the new Splat! HD version, and the SRTM1 data, you can produce 30m accurate plots. We then use perl bindings for the GDAL/OGR libraries to convert them into GeoTIFFs (geo-located raster files). The magic trick is that the library has a polygonize function that converts the raster data set into a vector which can be output into the shapefile format. Once scripted, the process isn't too time consuming from an operator standpoint, but takes ~8 hours to complete for our entire network at the 30m resolution on a relatively fast machine. The input for the script is a set containing antenna location, bearing, beamwidth, polarity, and the acceptable RSL. Brian, I know you're a GIS ninja, but I'd be happy to share info on the process if you think it would be helpful. Regards, -Kristian On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 11:10 -0400, Brian Webster wrote: The problem with the Radio Mobile plots is that they are just image overlays. Shape files are referred to as vector files similar to what Autocad files are. What that means is that the file is a series of instructions of points and instruction on how to connect them to create lines which render at the proper scale and proportion at whatever zoom level the map is rendered. You can equate this to a picture that becomes pixilated when you zoom in too far. To answer your question, I know of no free tools to do what you mention (although they may exist but I don’t use them because I have tools for the job already). The process would be to take your image in to some sort of mapping program and calibrate the image so that the software knows the latitude and longitude of any pixel in the image area. You would then have to do some process which would create an outline of the coverage area to develop a polygon line system. This polygon is not a line but a series of instructions using points and commands on how to draw the line at any given zoom level. I do these things in my GIS software and it is a tedious process. One could always hand trace the coverage area using Google Earth. Many did this for the original map. Brian From:Randy Cosby [mailto:dco...@infowest.com] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 10:55 AM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time to update the National WISP Map? Brian, Any tips on turning radiomobile coverage overlays into shape files? I've been playing with some open source tools and have made a little progress, but haven't had time to refine the technique yet. I think if ISPs could produce shape files more easily, the response would be much greater. For our state program (Utah), we gave them gps coords for each subscriber, which they used to extrapolate approximate area. I know they also accepted radiomobile graphic overlays and converted them for some ISP's. Of course they have millions of dollars to spend on such projects... I was disappointed with how few did submit this round. Randy On 10/11/2010 8:04 AM, Brian Webster wrote: I have been thinking that I should do another update to the WISP National Map. I would really love to improve the quality of the coverage area this time. The thought is to have each WISP who participated in their respective state broadband mapping initiative request a copy of the shape file for their network. If everyone sent that information to me I could use that to create a better nationwide map. Thoughts, ideas, complaints? For those who are not familiar with my previous work on this project you can visit these links: http://www.wirelessmapping.com/National-Coverage-Map-for-Fixed-Wireless-ISP%27s.php this page describes the project http://www.wirelessmapping.com/Google%20Maps3.htm this links to the live Google Map Brian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby| InfoWest, Inc | www.infowest.com Vice President | 435-674-0165 x 2010 | facebook.com/infowest WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Time to update the National WISP Map?
If you can ask your broadband mapping authority to send you the shape file package they created and/or used to show your network coverage I will use that data directly. Brian From: Martha Huizenga [mailto:mar...@dcaccess.net] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 11:51 AM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Cc: motor...@afmug.com; memb...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time to update the National WISP Map? sounds great to me. What do we need to send you? Martha Huizenga DC Access, LLC http://www.dcaccess.net 202-546-5898 Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet! Connecting the Capitol Hill Community Join us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/pages/Washington-DC/DC-Access-LLC/640964 86706?ref=ts or follow us on Twitter http://twitter.com/dcaccess On 10/11/2010 10:37 AM, Brian Webster wrote: And I wonder what everyone would think about the idea of identifying which WISP is serving the area this time? With all the requests Matt Larson sends out from the WISP Directory, they come directly from the national map. We don't identify who serves the area currently and thus the consumer questions who they should contact. Again, thoughts and ideas or complaints? The last version I ran the WISP's were promised anonymity. This would be a big change and I don't want to violate any trust I had with those who provided information in the past. Brian From: Charles N Wyble [mailto:char...@knownelement.com] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 10:13 AM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time to update the National WISP Map? Brian, I think this is a wonderful idea. :) On 10/11/2010 07:04 AM, Brian Webster wrote: I have been thinking that I should do another update to the WISP National Map. I would really love to improve the quality of the coverage area this time. The thought is to have each WISP who participated in their respective state broadband mapping initiative request a copy of the shape file for their network. If everyone sent that information to me I could use that to create a better nationwide map. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Time to update the National WISP Map?
Most of the kml to shape file tools will only work on files that are polygons. The image overlays won't necessarily work. Brian -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 12:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time to update the National WISP Map? Thanks Brian, Kristian, I'll have to check out Splat! some time soon. My process involved converting the Radiomobile overlay into a raster (svg) in Inkscape, then convert that to KML. I can't remember off the top of my head how I did it, but I was able to preserve the gps coordinates of the shape through the conversions. My primary need was to create interactive Google maps (ie: your home can be served by ap1, ap3 and ap4, with ap1 being the closest). There are a number of apps for converting from KML shapes to .shp files, just haven't had a chance to experiment with them yet. * Inkscape: http://inkscape.org/ * KML2SVG: http://kml2svg.free.fr/index3.php -- Randy Cosby| InfoWest, Inc | www.infowest.com Vice President | 435-674-0165 x 2010 | facebook.com/infowest WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
