[WISPA] Lowell Maine
Does anyone have service in the Lowell, Maine area? I have a potential customer on a big hill. They might even be able to provide tower space. Thanks in advance, Curtis Maurand Head Honcho Xyonet Web Hosting WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The Legislative Situation Is Dire
On 7/15/2011 9:03 AM, Forbes Mercy wrote: Forbes Mercy WISPA VP/Legislative Chair Just to give you an idea of what you're up against, the #1 provider of lobbying money and political donations to congress is the healthcare industry. They are followed by the telecom industry. --Curtis Maurand Biddeford, ME 04005 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Backend systems
, people, but the small business world runs on them. For those of you who own your WISPs and don't know anything about servers, don't listen to sensational hype. Take a sensible and tactical approach and do what's right for your business. Any server is just a tool. Plusesminuses. You have to do a cost/benefit analysis with a server just as you would which kind of radio to use in the field, or who to hire to answer your phones. On 12/7/2010 7:47 AM, Shane MacDonald wrote: I get scared when I hear Windows and Software in the same sentence. Then when you add Server I usually run. Shane MacDonald KP Performance Antennas On 7-Dec-10, at 8:11 AM, Curtis Maurand wrote: We used Rodopi. If you can handle the fact that its Windows and ASP.NET and MSSQL server, its OK. It works very well and very configurable. We had it set up on Windows Small Business Server, that is the version with MSSQL server. For what its worth. --Curtis WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Backend systems
We used Rodopi. If you can handle the fact that its Windows and ASP.NET and MSSQL server, its OK. It works very well and very configurable. We had it set up on Windows Small Business Server, that is the version with MSSQL server. For what its worth. --Curtis On 12/2/2010 1:36 PM, Shane MacDonald wrote: Has any of you ever tired Powercode as a backend systems? Does anyone have experience with it compared to Platypus? We have a number of customers ranging between the 300 to 700 clients. I am trying to find a solution I maybe able to recommend them. Billing is an important piece but it also needs to have a ticketing system, be able to monitor clients, record history, etc. The two above I have received the most endorsements for and just wonder which maybe better. Shane KP Performance On 24-Aug-10, at 10:18 AM, Jon Auer wrote: Unfortunately that's a fact of life of enterprise software. Any sufficiently powerfully piece of software will require a lot of customization to do exactly what you want. Witness all the Oracle/PeopleSoft/SAP consultants. :-/ On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 9:16 AM, Dennis Burgessdmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: This is where a single system still don't do everything needed. Kinda stinks. --- Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 5:51 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backend systems Chuck, would you be willing to share or sell your code? Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Aug 23, 2010, at 4:48 PM, Chuck Hoggch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Inventory stuff? Gerard has built some custom PHP scripts to do some neat things...and I have done some as well. Problem is, we keep saying ooh it'd be neat to do this... and then we go and do it. So our Platypus installation isn't the norm at all. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Chuck - did you ever get an automated system for your network equipment? I thought you were working on something to do all that. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Chuck Hoggch...@shelbybb.com wrote: We use Platypus as well. The cost is well worth it, and is cheaper than most. $100/mth for up to 1,000 customers, $200/mth for 5000 customers. It integrates with IPPay flawlessly. It has the capability to do a lot of customizing. $2000 for a full 2 day training course, in your office if you can't figure it out. On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: +1 Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David Sovereen Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 8:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backend systems Have you looked at Platypus? Costs less, does more, scales big, and is a proven solution (I've been using for 13 years, since 1997). Dave On Aug 22, 2010 7:50 PM,tfad...@coastinet.com wrote: I have been using Quickbooks memorized transactions since 2001, I added a JFFNMS monitoring server in 2004, a Scrutinizer Netflow server in 2007 We currently have 700+ customers My main problem with Quickbooks for billing is that it does not handle late fees adequately, so I don't charge them now. I have 300 customers I could charge a $5 late fee this month and about 40 people I could charge a $15 reconnect fee this month as well. That is over $2, 000: I know with late fees, this number would come down, maybe cut in half(which would mean I would get my money sooner). That is why I can cost justify moving to Powercode. I have seen enough improvement over the last year with Bertram buying them that I feel comfortable enough to move forward with them. My other problems are, call tracking for tech support, auto shutoff and auto reconnect. Online payment and transaction history for my customers, double data entry into Quickbooks and JFFNMS. Everything I need(still keep Netflow Server) to see would be on one system. My hope is that all the Azotel will continue to improve which should keep the Powercode folks focused on adding features and enhancements to their system. Competition is good for everyone! On Sunday 22/08/2010 at 3:33 pm, Mike Hammett wrote: I'm looking to have something completely in place by the end
Re: [WISPA] OT: Printer recommendations
Stick with HP. Go with Laser. Try to go with something in the 2000 or 3000 series if you can. They just get it done. --Curtis On 11/23/2010 9:01 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: I've used HP OfficeJets for most of the previous decade. I've used HP printers period for... 20 years? However, the OfficeJets continue to have paper handling and other issues. They are used far less than their service duty allows. I also have a problem with the printer disappearing on some computers. I was recommended to Dell all in one printers, but their user interface for the scanning, faxing, etc. features is horrible. I need something that works, does copy, fax, scan, print, and is easy enough for non-techies to use. Recommendations? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email Hosting
Don't use the tucows link, you won't find what you're looking for. Try www.opensrs.com Cheers, Curtis On 3/29/2010 12:37 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: www.tucows.com Elliot is one of us! marlon - Original Message - From: Steve Barnesst...@pcswin.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 3:25 PM Subject: [WISPA] Email Hosting I know that this has been discussed here last year but I am looking for updates. I am wondering what others are using for email hosting. My current service is low grade at best and I really do not want it brought back in-house. I only have about 500 Subs and 300 emails. Filtering, storage, bandwidth, and backup are all too much of a pain I would just prefer an affordable easy to transfer to service that doesn't kill my budget. I know Google has a service but I have not been able to get anyone to tell me that it is the perfect answer. I would also like a option to be able to give some clients an Exchange type of account, (sync to outlook or Blackberry) for more money and everyone else just a regular pop. Any recommendations? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates?
Yes, but Maia Mailguard doesn't know how to deal with dbmail which is the non standard piece that I'm using. dbmail is a replacement for dovecot or other local mail transport that uses MySQL or PostgreSQL as it message store and for accounts. I don't have to have user accounts for the mail customers. Its very fast very stable and allows for realtime replication of mail data accross servers. You can build a decent DB server and connect several dbmail machines to it. I'm also using powerdns so everything is in a MySQL database and everything is replicated. I just wish amavisd-new and database configuration for it was straight forward. --C On 3/25/2010 9:30 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote: fully brandable as well :-) On Mar 25, 2010, at 9:14 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: Maia MailGuard is a very nice frontend/control panel for it. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Curtis Maurand Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 3:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates? I've been running a similar setup on Gentoo Linux. MySQL dbmail postfix spamassassin fuzzyOCR amavisd-new clamav It all just works, its stable and not too hard to manage. You won't find a cool control panel. These are the technologies that Barracuda uses in their appliances. On 3/24/2010 4:53 PM, Justin Wilson wrote: Chuck turned me on to PurpleHat a month of so ago. We are in the process of testing it on some domains. Most of the packages within it are ones that continually get updated. This might help: http://www.purplehat.org/?page_id=4 BTW: We are running it in a Virtual Machine and so far so good. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates?
I've been running a similar setup on Gentoo Linux. MySQL dbmail postfix spamassassin fuzzyOCR amavisd-new clamav It all just works, its stable and not too hard to manage. You won't find a cool control panel. These are the technologies that Barracuda uses in their appliances. On 3/24/2010 4:53 PM, Justin Wilson wrote: Chuck turned me on to PurpleHat a month of so ago. We are in the process of testing it on some domains. Most of the packages within it are ones that continually get updated. This might help: http://www.purplehat.org/?page_id=4 BTW: We are running it in a Virtual Machine and so far so good. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates?
Go to this page and look for scam.sh http://it.dennyhalim.com/2009/02/postfix-postgrey-clamsmtp-sanesecurity.html the scam.sh does a great job of getting new rules and some really good ones. I don't get much spam and not too many false positives, either. --C On 3/24/2010 9:27 PM, Kristian Hoffmann wrote: Where do you get SA rules from? We were using SARE, but they don't appear to be maintained anymore. Thanks, -Kristian On Wed, 2010-03-24 at 18:50 -0400, Justin Wilson wrote: The big thing about any spam solution is the ability to ³learn². Everynight we have SpamAssassin go out and download new rules from a couple of different sites. Between this and the Amavis updates it keeps on top of things quite well. Plus we also have greylisting on the higher hit servers as well as IP blacklists of known spammers. Most of these are APNIC ips. What many people fail to do is make sure their secondary MX is just as good as filtering spam as the primary is. Another tactic is to have a Mikrotik with some rules that say if you receive X amount of connections from a single IP to your mail server(s) block that IP for X amount of minutes. Justin -- Justin Wilsonj...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net http://www.metrospan.net From: Chuck Hoggch...@shelbybb.com Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:36:39 -0400 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates? I'm using it on a few domains...and before I push it to the enterprise level, I just wanted to see how many others are using it. I know that Barracuda servers are essentially SpamAssasin, amavis/clamAV, with a new frontend and modifications to make it the more enterprise class server. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 4:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates? Chuck turned me on to PurpleHat a month of so ago. We are in the process of testing it on some domains. Most of the packages within it are ones that continually get updated. This might help: http://www.purplehat.org/?page_id=4 BTW: We are running it in a Virtual Machine and so far so good. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Send MONEY Now!
As is Episcopal Relief and Development. http://www.er-d.org/ Cheers, Curtis On 1/14/2010 12:16 PM, Jeremy Parr wrote: 2010/1/14 RickGrgunder...@gmail.com: You guys are the best for doing this but be careful who and where you send money. Unfortunately, there are a lot of scam artist that will take advantage of situations like this. Yes, I would avoid the missionary groups. Doctors Without Borders is legit, and the Red Cross is always a fairly safe bet. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations
NetGear *GS748TS-100NAS *** You can probably find it for less than I did. Its 48 port and 988 through biz.tigerdirect.com Also here's a list. http://www.javvin.com/packetdoc/PortMonitoringSwitch.html Cheers, Curtis ** On 1/12/2010 8:50 AM, Marco Coelho wrote: I'll second the ProCurve. I just bought a batch of them at a very reasonable price. Solid Product. One note, if you want to use any of the really tricky configuration features, you have to do it in command line mode (easy). Otherwise, monitoring and control from either the web interface or snmp is good. Marco On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 6:01 AM, Bret Clarkbcl...@spectraaccess.com wrote: HP ProcurvesI not only consider them on the same level as Cisco's, but I think they are better for less cost. Gino Villarini wrote: Cisco 2970 Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Jan 12, 2010, at 1:25 AM, Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net wrote: Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm looking for recommendations on good reliable equipment. Will need 24 and 48 port units, Rx/Tx port mirroring is a must! Thanks in advance, Scott --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations
also Adtran NetVanta 1534 Its 24 port The command line is identical to Cisco and it has a web gui. Its about 1300.00 ($2200 if you want the POE version.) from CDW, but it also has a lifetime warranty. --Curtis On 1/12/2010 8:57 AM, Bret Clark wrote: The command line structure is very similar to Cisco so a very minimal learning curve if you're used to the Cisco command line, plus you can do basic management with a web interface. They port mirror multiple ports to one port which is nice. They've been rock solid for us, we've been using them for 2 years non-stop and not one failure...and these are units we bought off of ebay used. Go the ebay route, much cheaper then buying new. Ironically, one of the switches we placed 2 years ago was because a Cisco switch died. Personally, I'm not a fan of Cisco, I think most of their stuff is overpriced. Scott Vander Dussen wrote: I was looking at these- didn't know if cisco was worth all the bucks and that led me to the hps- why do you like them better? Thx. Thanks, ‘S --- Sent mobile (and probably one handed while driving!) On Jan 12, 2010, at 4:03 AM, Bret Clarkbcl...@spectraaccess.commailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com wrote: HP ProcurvesI not only consider them on the same level as Cisco's, but I think they are better for less cost. Gino Villarini wrote: Cisco 2970 Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Jan 12, 2010, at 1:25 AM, Scott Vander Dussen mailto:sc...@velociter.netsc...@velociter.netmailto:sc...@velociter.net wrote: Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm looking for recommendations on good reliable equipment. Will need 24 and 48 port units, Rx/Tx port mirroring is a must! Thanks in advance, Scott --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List:mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelesshttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelesshttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ATT1..c WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Being Rude to Customers
Yep, I want to breath anti-freeze, too. yummy! On 12/23/2009 2:12 AM, RickG wrote: I want a e-pipe!http://www.epuffer.com/eshop/electronic-pipe-kits.html On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Mattlm7...@gmail.com wrote: I have one customer who burns up laptops. Not from overheating or whatever, but from cigarettes. She sits in front of the laptop drinking and smoking and passes out with the cigarette landing on the keyboard or against the screen. Has killed three in the past 2 years that way. Sure, we replace keyboards and lcd panels but eventually it dies from repeated abuse. Or beer being spilled on it. Works for awhile until it gets fuzzy inside. Yuck! Has she heard of the E cigarette? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U81x8t2iMhw Very popular christmas gift this year. Thought of getting a family member one who is smoker. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] stimulus announcements thus far
I'm from Maine. Its good for Mainers. Its better for GWI and Fletcher Kittredge who's been looking to overbuild Fairpoint for a very long time. Now he gets his chance. Its going to be bad for the small provider. You're still not going to get a break on connectivity. It will follow GWI's usual pricing model which is very expensive. He's going to get a more advantageous deal for GWI retail and federal money to do the deal. He doesn't even have to put up much of his own money to get it done. Talk about an inside game. Trading one monopoly for another is not good. It does inject a third player into the game, though and that's good. On 12/17/2009 2:17 PM, Josh Cheney wrote: Speaking as someone from Maine, and who knows a bit about what that plan entails, it is an excellent project. On 12/17/09 2:10 PM, Robert West wrote: On the outside, that all sounds like reasonable choices and towards the actual goal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] stimulus announcements thus far A $33.5 million grant to the North Georgia Network Cooperative for a fiber-optic ring that will bring high-speed Internet connections to the northern Georgia foothills of the Appalachian Mountains. The project will serve an eight-county area with a population of 334,000. A $25.4 million grant to the Biddleford Internet Corp., a partnership between the University of Maine and service providers, to build three fiber-optic rings across rural Maine. The network will pass through more than 100 communities with 110,000 households and will connect 10 University of Maine campuses. A combined grant/loan of $2.4 million to the Consolidated Electric Cooperative in north central Ohio to build a 166-mile fiber network that will be used, among other things, to connect 16 electrical substations to support a smart grid project. A 4G wireless network to be built by an Alaska Native Corporation in southwestern Alaska, a fiber-to-the-home project in a remote corner of New Hampshire and computer centers for 84 libraries in Arizona. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] stimulus announcements thus far
You'd have to ask him. I know that he's in the DSL business and is interested in being Maine's phone company. This project not only provides relief for the desparate middle mile in maine, but if you look at the map on the project website (http://www.threeringmaine.com/map.html ) you'll see that it talks about GWI (Great Works Internet) central offices. That puts GWI in control and if your an independent ISP in Maine, I'd be working that there is oversight and that there is no huge advantage for GWI in the deal. After all, he gets to build the network and he doesn't have to foot the bill for it. Yes it means jobs for Maine, but only a handful. As I said, he's been interested in overbuilding (Fairpoint/Verizon) for years, ever since I installed his first 8 modems back in the 90's. He's built quite a business. He's no shrinking violet, He's brilliant, shrewd and patient. Cheers, Curtis On 12/18/2009 11:29 AM, Aaron D. Osgood wrote: Curt - wouldn't Mr. Kittredge be open to discussing using wireless to extend the last mile? Aaron D. Osgood Streamline Solutions L.L.C P.O. Box 6115 Falmouth, ME 04105 TEL: 207-781-5561 FAX: 615-704-8067 MOBILE: 207-831-5829 aosg...@streamline-solutions.net http://www.streamline-solutions.net Introducing Efficiency to Business since 1986. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Curtis Maurand Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 10:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] stimulus announcements thus far I'm from Maine. Its good for Mainers. Its better for GWI and Fletcher Kittredge who's been looking to overbuild Fairpoint for a very long time. Now he gets his chance. Its going to be bad for the small provider. You're still not going to get a break on connectivity. It will follow GWI's usual pricing model which is very expensive. He's going to get a more advantageous deal for GWI retail and federal money to do the deal. He doesn't even have to put up much of his own money to get it done. Talk about an inside game. Trading one monopoly for another is not good. It does inject a third player into the game, though and that's good. On 12/17/2009 2:17 PM, Josh Cheney wrote: Speaking as someone from Maine, and who knows a bit about what that plan entails, it is an excellent project. On 12/17/09 2:10 PM, Robert West wrote: On the outside, that all sounds like reasonable choices and towards the actual goal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] stimulus announcements thus far A $33.5 million grant to the North Georgia Network Cooperative for a fiber-optic ring that will bring high-speed Internet connections to the northern Georgia foothills of the Appalachian Mountains. The project will serve an eight-county area with a population of 334,000. A $25.4 million grant to the Biddleford Internet Corp., a partnership between the University of Maine and service providers, to build three fiber-optic rings across rural Maine. The network will pass through more than 100 communities with 110,000 households and will connect 10 University of Maine campuses. A combined grant/loan of $2.4 million to the Consolidated Electric Cooperative in north central Ohio to build a 166-mile fiber network that will be used, among other things, to connect 16 electrical substations to support a smart grid project. A 4G wireless network to be built by an Alaska Native Corporation in southwestern Alaska, a fiber-to-the-home project in a remote corner of New Hampshire and computer centers for 84 libraries in Arizona. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe
Re: [WISPA] It's too darn cold!
LL Bean. Mike wrote: Thinsulate is good and light. Redwing has some insulated lace up boots with Thinsulate. They have fiberglass shanks and fiberglass toes instead of steel -- supposed to be safer for electricians. I think the Wrangler jeans with Thinsulate in them are awesome. It's warmer than long johns and regular jeans. Wool socks, with a silk under sock is the answer for warm feet. Some people just use thin tight socks as the first layer, but the two layers is the answer. Thinsulate gloves are the best going. A pair of tight goatskin or deer skin gloves will give you some dexterity. Use a larger pair of gloves with Thinsulate in them over them when you don't need the dexterity. I don't mind the cold. Wind and wind blown snow are my bane. Mike At 01:07 AM 12/7/2009, you wrote: It's cold. I spent all day and most of the night working on a tower and my feet are frozen. Time for new boots and the rest of the winter gear.. Anyone have winter gear that they swear by and not AT? I use steel toed boots (lesson learned the hard and painful way) and usually buy whatever looks good, clothing wise, from TSC. Everything is pretty much worn out, time for crap to keep me warm. Ideas so that I don't freeze to death? And gloves! Man, I never have found gloves I could wear AND use my hands at the same time. So as usual Who loves what and who hates what? Thanks. Bob- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle
I agree. If your company goes belly up, they can come after your personal assets if your corp has any liabilities towards them. --Curtis fwatts wrote: My attorney has always told me not to sign a personal guarantee. If you are a corporation and you sign a personal guarantee it creates a way for some one to say you are no longer acting as a corporation but as a person and makes it easier for you to be held personaly responsible for other things having nothing to do with what you signed the guarantee in the first place. Frank Brightlan LLC - Original Message - From: Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle Who signs the personal guarantee for Clearwire? ryan On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 7:26 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: What I suggest is if you do need to sign a personal guarantee, do it very very sparingly. If you have a personal guarantee, though, keep it at the top of the getting paid list - especially when SHTF. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: LOL!!! Never, never never sign a personal guarantee. Even ATC does not require that. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 9:57 PM Subject: [WISPA] Crown Castle We are looking to get on a Crown Castle tower and =in their credit app they want to run personal credit and have a personal guarantee. Has anyone not signed the personal guarantee? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.82/2525 - Release Date: 11/25/09 07:31:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT on Atom
I've had a couple of these things. I'm currently firewalling an insurance company on one (vyatta), I had one firewalling the local budweiser distributor (pfsense) and I was using one as a primary nameserver (Gentoo Linux). These things have never even burped. I have an intel system that has given me lots of trouble, but these supermicros just get it done quietly. Nick Olsen wrote: Oh I understand that its a barebone system, so it needs ram and storage. Realtek nics, I don't really have a comment on. I love the intel pro/1000GT's (not realtek, i know), and haven't had much seat time with a set of realtek's. And supermicro stuff is always good. They are bigger in the rackmount/server side of the market. I've worked with a lot of it and its always bulletproof. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 3:07 PM To: n...@brevardwireless.com n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT on Atom It's x86 so it should work. Doesn't have RAM, you'll need to buy that. It has Realtek NICs. Worst things in the world. Linux hates them especially. However much faith you want to put in SuperMicro is up to you - I have no experience. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Has anyone tried Mikrotik on a atom board? I noticed this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101262 I think this would make a decent router for the price. Your thoughts? Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] billable fee schedule
Around here, ethernet drops run $100.00 each. Your price is very reasonable. --Curtis RickG wrote: Here's the scenario: Customer has an aerial ethernet run from his garage to his home. A tree branch fell and cut the line. I told him we'll replace it for a $50 fee. Does this sound fair? Also, does anyone have a fee schedule they use for billable calls? Thanks! -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] billable fee schedule
You must be in the south where the ground doesn't freeze. Up here in the great white north, you need to go down 18 inches. --C Mike wrote: When I was a young man, a writer, I was idealistic and ready to conquer the world. In short order I grew up and lost my idealism. Since starting this business I have regained some of that idealism. My experience is the opposite. I usually take care of those customers who need minor help with things THEY consider part of MY network. I would not have gone overhead unless there was no way to trench. Direct burial cable is cheap. A trench can be made with a power edger with a new blade. An aerial should be tied to a supporting rope or wire. Most of my customers knew they couldn't get Internet except slow dialup before we came along. Is it loyalty? A new company has been selling in my county off of their cellular towers. I have only lost 2 customers to them. Never underestimate the power of good customer service. Mike At 07:58 PM 10/12/2009, you wrote: I used to think that but I have found no matter how much you give away, there is no loyalty! The monthly rate is all most care about. On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: If it is a good customer, I'd either do it for nothing, or for materials. You may just retain that customer for the next two years because of your good will. If he is prepared for $50 and its easy and doesn't take you long, you can say give me $20.00 for the cable and the custom ends, and we'll call it even. Either way, you'll make a friend/keep a customer; and they do talk. Our hourly billing is $60. Usually to make network settings, get virus protection on a machine ... At 09:52 AM 10/12/2009, you wrote: Here's the scenario: Customer has an aerial ethernet run from his garage to his home. A tree branch fell and cut the line. I told him we'll replace it for a $50 fee. Does this sound fair? Also, does anyone have a fee schedule they use for billable calls? Thanks! -RickG -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] billable fee schedule
In that case I usually get $75.00/hr on-site plus $25.00/hr travel each direction plus materials. --Curtis Josh Luthman wrote: Ethernet drops are 100/each here too but a repair isn't the same IMO. On 10/13/09, Curtis Maurand cmaur...@xyonet.com wrote: Around here, ethernet drops run $100.00 each. Your price is very reasonable. --Curtis RickG wrote: Here's the scenario: Customer has an aerial ethernet run from his garage to his home. A tree branch fell and cut the line. I told him we'll replace it for a $50 fee. Does this sound fair? Also, does anyone have a fee schedule they use for billable calls? Thanks! -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] billable fee schedule
I would never do it that way. too much chance of someone crunching it if its not down far enough. ground expands and thaws and that can sever a cable. I know this doesn't classify as electrical, but electrical code around here is 18 deep. --C Mike wrote: No you don't. I have *several* direct burials just inches down. I dug them just the way I said. There's nothing to freeze? My business IS in the frozen north; Iowa. At 12:22 PM 10/13/2009, you wrote: You must be in the south where the ground doesn't freeze. Up here in the great white north, you need to go down 18 inches. --C Mike wrote: When I was a young man, a writer, I was idealistic and ready to conquer the world. In short order I grew up and lost my idealism. Since starting this business I have regained some of that idealism. My experience is the opposite. I usually take care of those customers who need minor help with things THEY consider part of MY network. I would not have gone overhead unless there was no way to trench. Direct burial cable is cheap. A trench can be made with a power edger with a new blade. An aerial should be tied to a supporting rope or wire. Most of my customers knew they couldn't get Internet except slow dialup before we came along. Is it loyalty? A new company has been selling in my county off of their cellular towers. I have only lost 2 customers to them. Never underestimate the power of good customer service. Mike At 07:58 PM 10/12/2009, you wrote: I used to think that but I have found no matter how much you give away, there is no loyalty! The monthly rate is all most care about. On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: If it is a good customer, I'd either do it for nothing, or for materials. You may just retain that customer for the next two years because of your good will. If he is prepared for $50 and its easy and doesn't take you long, you can say give me $20.00 for the cable and the custom ends, and we'll call it even. Either way, you'll make a friend/keep a customer; and they do talk. Our hourly billing is $60. Usually to make network settings, get virus protection on a machine ... At 09:52 AM 10/12/2009, you wrote: Here's the scenario: Customer has an aerial ethernet run from his garage to his home. A tree branch fell and cut the line. I told him we'll replace it for a $50 fee. Does this sound fair? Also, does anyone have a fee schedule they use for billable calls? Thanks! -RickG -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth
They created a great system. Maintenance is another matter. I'm aware of what its like being a small player where the big companies are trying to squash you to protect their turf. But you are making a living, meager though it may be. Until you become a CLEC, your access will be expensive. Becoming a CLEC brings on a whole host of other troubles. --Curtis RickG wrote: Huh? The high system? http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003226851_fragile26.html http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2008/06/part_one_america_is_falling_ap.html http://www.infiniteunknown.net/2008/05/09/us-infrastructure-is-falling-apart/ As far as making a living upon the internet, most of the WISP's I meet make very little (including myself) and pay through the nose for access ourselves. -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Curtis Maurand cmaur...@xyonet.com wrote: Not going there on this list, but there is a long list its done right including funding the development of the Internet upon which you make your living. I would add the highway system as well. --Curtis Josh Luthman wrote: Are there things you think the government - FCC, congress, etc. - could do to help ISPs and expanding broadband? Seriously? Name one thing the government has done right in the last 200 years. The list should start and end with the military and that can be argued either way. The only thing the government could do to help is to not do anything at all. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Tim Sylvester t...@avanzarnetworks.comwrote: Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply. I want to understand people's opposition to the Broadband Stimulus programs. Rick and other people opposed to the stimulus, can you expand on why you don't believe in the Stimulus and why you didn't apply? Are there things you think the government - FCC, congress, etc. - could do to help ISPs and expanding broadband? Tim WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth
Not going there on this list, but there is a long list its done right including funding the development of the Internet upon which you make your living. I would add the highway system as well. --Curtis Josh Luthman wrote: Are there things you think the government - FCC, congress, etc. - could do to help ISPs and expanding broadband? Seriously? Name one thing the government has done right in the last 200 years. The list should start and end with the military and that can be argued either way. The only thing the government could do to help is to not do anything at all. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Tim Sylvester t...@avanzarnetworks.comwrote: Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply. I want to understand people's opposition to the Broadband Stimulus programs. Rick and other people opposed to the stimulus, can you expand on why you don't believe in the Stimulus and why you didn't apply? Are there things you think the government - FCC, congress, etc. - could do to help ISPs and expanding broadband? Tim WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WB 58DP-HP - pretty upset with Chuck
Too funny. Try U-Haul for the vans. They sell them on a pretty regular basis and are exactly what you're looking for. --C Ryan Spott wrote: I have a friend of mine in Fairbanks, AK. He lives in an apartment building and his neighbor has a van like that. He says that PARENTS constantly ask him for candy... *head-desk*. A few years ago, I was looking for a used E250 cargo/service van. I was calling dealers and was both amused and shocked when I would ask about a 'plain-jane E250 fleetside cargo/service van' and would get silence on the line.. When I asked for a 'child molester van' I would get results! ryan On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/content/110397.jpg Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:48 AM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote: CC'ing Chuck, since he's on something called a... now what'd he call it again... vaca-something? Not sure what that is, but ok. Couple weeks ago, we bought a single WB 58DP dish. It showed up, looks pretty nice -- and came with a Payday candy bar inside. Cool!! Today the high-performance model arrived. It came in a much larger box, and was already fully assembled (less the feed assembly). Cool!! I searched through the entire box twice looking for my candy bar... never did find one. It completely ruined my day... We went to install these two units on a 10km link. Couldn't get the first end aligned right, because the radio was being a bitch and the roof closes at 5. Eyeballed it, probably a couple degrees off. Got the second end installed during a blizzard in the pitch black of night, trying to align it with snowflakes the size of baseballs hitting the laptop screen. Aparently these dishes are of such good quality that being off a couple degrees on end A will impact your signal tremendously -- moving end B about 2-degrees either way drops signal by about 8dB. So yeah, they seem to be pretty awesome dishes -- but I'm still pissed I didn't get a candy bar. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality
Try talking to DirectTV or Dish Networks. They'll deal with you to resell. --C Robert West wrote: Would the Free To Air stuff work at all? I have some customers who do Free To Air but I have yet to even look at one of their setups to see what type of content they are getting. But is Free To Air also Free to Rebroadcast??! I tried to deal with Time Warner as just being a reseller of their content but they just yawned. I wanted to setup a building to install the individual digital boxes in for each customer ant Time Warner would just install in that building as needed. Then stream the video channel to the customer. Not gonna fly with Time Warner. Anyone else out there doing TV over IP? How are you setting this up and how are you obtaining rights to rebroadcast the video content? Certainly there HAS to be a group that we can purchase content from. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality I've looked into doing traditional TV over IP and wireless networks... You can't obtain a license for traditional TV over wireless networks. I wouldn't mind coming up with a half assed list of places of good video content. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Clint Ricker cric...@kentnis.com Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 7:11 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality I am all too aware of the weakness of wireless networks in regards to streaming of video. That said, I cannot see how over the top video is a bad thing for independent ISPs, even if wireless technology has to make some progress to handle it. It removes triple play as a competitive advantage for your competitors and hurts them a LOT more than it costs the independent ISPs. If anything, independent ISPs (especially wireline independent ISPs) should be advertising Internet access, includes 10 million channels for FREE and get people to shift the $1,500-$2,000 a year that they are spending on triple play packages over your way. -Clint Ricker On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:06 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: This is imminent. The questions is: whose network? -RickG On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: One thing you can bank on, it WILL take hold. The need for more Bandwidth won't be stopped anytime soon, I believe. Eventually most if not all communications will run over the same network, which if you think about it, all the communications out there seem to touch the internet at least in part. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Clint Ricker Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 9:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality For the mainstream ISPs (the big RBOCs and MSOs), their bandwidth costs are very, very low and are a small fraction of their overall costs. However, that statement does ignore the costs of perpetually upgrading their network to handle larger volumes of bandwidth. From a cost perspective, that is the main motivation for the big players to shape traffic. However, even that is small compared to the potential loss of revenue if over the top video takes hold. -Clint On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: It's back http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,552503,00.html?test=latestnews I am just waiting for them to say bitcaps are a no no. When you think about it with a bit cap you cannot really use the Internet to completely replace the catv or dish service. Some consumers I am sure are going to say that's not fair and some clueless law makers will likely believe them. I have already heard some 'expert' IT people on blogs brag that bandwidth costs ISP's virtually nothing and the only reason for bitcaps is to prevent competing video services from taking market share. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality
You pay per customer, but you get a wholesale rate. They love it because you aggregate a whole bunch of billing for them. --C Robert West wrote: How does DirectTV and the like get out of that red tape mess then? Do they pay franchise fees? Or is beaming from space a bit different in the eyes of the FCC? Just wondering. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 11:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality I know they have business partners that handle the MDU / planned community sort of things, and they definitely have the equipment to make it work. However, if you want to transmit television over/under public property/ROW such as public roads or off your private property, you are a cable provider. You then have to be a registered cable company and meet local franchise requirements (such as coverage requirements, franchies fees, PEG channels), or an Open Video provider (as described by the FCC) and be subject to the conditions of that type of business. Something like HITS (headend in the sky) is often used for smaller cable systems. I'm sure there are some others as well. I have reason to believe the sat companies will not provide the channels or gear to you if you appear to be doing the TV content distribution business outside of the law. We're setup as a DirecTV dealer in addition to our ISP business. We like their TV technology ourselves, and we like helping people get away from TimeWarner/Roadrunner. We also get a sales commision and are compensated for the installs. We're not selling a ton yet, as it's a fairly complex mix of options and we're still getting up to speed. On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 11:19:07AM -0400, Robert West wrote: Never thought of that. Anyone else doing this? I'm not up to doing this yet but always planning ahead, maybe in 6 to 12 months. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Curtis Maurand Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 10:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality Try talking to DirectTV or Dish Networks. They'll deal with you to resell. --C Robert West wrote: Would the Free To Air stuff work at all? I have some customers who do Free To Air but I have yet to even look at one of their setups to see what type of content they are getting. But is Free To Air also Free to Rebroadcast??! I tried to deal with Time Warner as just being a reseller of their content but they just yawned. I wanted to setup a building to install the individual digital boxes in for each customer ant Time Warner would just install in that building as needed. Then stream the video channel to the customer. Not gonna fly with Time Warner. Anyone else out there doing TV over IP? How are you setting this up and how are you obtaining rights to rebroadcast the video content? Certainly there HAS to be a group that we can purchase content from. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality I've looked into doing traditional TV over IP and wireless networks... You can't obtain a license for traditional TV over wireless networks. I wouldn't mind coming up with a half assed list of places of good video content. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Clint Ricker cric...@kentnis.com Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 7:11 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality I am all too aware of the weakness of wireless networks in regards to streaming of video. That said, I cannot see how over the top video is a bad thing for independent ISPs, even if wireless technology has to make some progress to handle it. It removes triple play as a competitive advantage for your competitors and hurts them a LOT more than it costs the independent ISPs. If anything, independent ISPs (especially wireline independent ISPs) should be advertising Internet access, includes 10 million channels for FREE and get people to shift the $1,500-$2,000 a year that they are spending on triple play packages over your way. -Clint Ricker On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:06 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: This is imminent. The questions is: whose network? -RickG On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote
Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting for
Take a look at the third and the fifth bullet points. --C Clint Ricker wrote: Where is everyone getting that you are allowed to prioritize anything? The speech details three points along the subject of prioritization. The Julius Genachowski's recent speech specifically said no prioritization--refer to section 5. - This means they cannot block or degrade lawful traffic over their networks (blocking / deprioritizing) - or pick winners by favoring some content or applications over others in the connection to subscribers' homes (prioritizing) - During periods of network congestion, for example, it may be appropriate for providers to ensure that very heavy users do not crowd out everyone else (block / degrade on a per-user basis, rather than per-application?) - Doesn't apply to managed services (I believe that he's referring to metro Ethernet with QOS) - open Internet principles apply only to lawful content, services and applications -- not to activities like unlawful distribution of copyrighted works, which has serious economic consequences. (As I said in my Senate confirmation hearing, open Internet principles apply only to lawful content, services and applications -- not to activities like unlawful distribution of copyrighted works, which has serious economic consequences.) Where has any statement been made regarding prioritization being ok? Thanks, -Clint Ricker On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: Right, which is why I phrased it that way. You can't deprioritize anything, but you can prioritize anything (based upon what I've read on this list). They accomplish the same thing, but at face value, one is permissible the other is not. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 12:53 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting for You'd have to ask the FCC. Seems like it's the opposite side of the same coin. Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 1:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting for What's the difference between prioritizing all traditional services above other and deprioritizing the bad ones below other? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 12:07 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting for The FCC has said that you cannot de-prioritize any type of traffic. You have to do it by prioritizing other types of traffic. Jeff ImageStream -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 12:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting for I read the Fifth as I cannot discriminate - meaning block this but not that. It says nothing about shaping. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 9:33 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting for http://openinternet.gov/read-speech.html In addition to the four classic Network neutrality principles, the FCC plans to pursue two more. Quotes from the speech: * The fifth principle is one of non-discrimination -- stating that broadband providers cannot discriminate against particular Internet content or applications. * The sixth principle is a transparency principle -- stating that providers of broadband Internet access must be transparent about their network management practices. I love the sixth one, but number five gives me the willies. Nope, doesn't matter that BitTorrent users bring your network to its knees, you're not allowed to do anything about it. Please tell me I'm missing something. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting for
Which goes to point 5. services and applications -- not to activities like unlawful distribution of copyrighted works, which has serious economic consequences.) Clint Ricker wrote: The language of point 3 is targetting heavy users, not applications that may be heavy under some, even common, circumstances. While it seems like a small detail, it is, in fact, a big distinction--why should I be blocked from using bit torrent to download a gutenberg ebook (ie legal small) because my neighbor is doing warez full throttle, 24/7/365? Genachowski specifically alluded to Comcast degrading bit torrent traffic, something that Comcast claimed to be doing for reasons of network management and blocking of illegal content. Waving the illegal content flag is, in my opinion, very short sighted: - Legal video streaming services (hulu, netflix on demand) are rising. These are worse, in a lot of ways, than the bit torrent model since it requires a sustained throughput to provide a usable customer experience. They also often use HTTP or other common protocols. - Bit Torrent itself is trending more legal; major content providers and software companies are using it for legal distribution of content while the illegal content is making its way to other networks that are more secure / private - Last, but certainly not least, content providers are VERY eager to sign up the ISPs as content cops. Once you start down that road, you may very well find yourself as an operator having given away your own safe harbor rights and having the legal obligation to police your network for bad content. In general, it's hard to not see the WISPs taking the side of major MSOs, RBOCs, and content providers as a dangerous game. It's one thing to decide to block bit torrent because it carries a large percentage of illegal content. It's another thing when you have to implement, at your own expense, url / ip filtering, install deep packet inspection hardware (VERY expensive), and other extensive, expensive, and very time consuming process or face repeated and ongoing liability every time some kid on your network wants to duck out on paying 99c for an mp3. The content providers have been pushing for this for years; if ISPs start dancing the same tune to win the right to do some occasional fiddling with some packets, it would likely shift the balance of power. Given that many of the major service providers (Comcast, Time Warner, etc...) are also major content providers meaning that the expenses of manditory content filtering carried by the service provider business are offset by potential increases in profitability for the content producing side of the house. You, on the other hand, have nothing to gain here. You thought CALEA was bad? -Clint Ricker On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Curtis Maurand cmaur...@xyonet.com wrote: Take a look at the third and the fifth bullet points. --C Clint Ricker wrote: Where is everyone getting that you are allowed to prioritize anything? The speech details three points along the subject of prioritization. The Julius Genachowski's recent speech specifically said no prioritization--refer to section 5. - This means they cannot block or degrade lawful traffic over their networks (blocking / deprioritizing) - or pick winners by favoring some content or applications over others in the connection to subscribers' homes (prioritizing) - During periods of network congestion, for example, it may be appropriate for providers to ensure that very heavy users do not crowd out everyone else (block / degrade on a per-user basis, rather than per-application?) - Doesn't apply to managed services (I believe that he's referring to metro Ethernet with QOS) - open Internet principles apply only to lawful content, services and applications -- not to activities like unlawful distribution of copyrighted works, which has serious economic consequences. (As I said in my Senate confirmation hearing, open Internet principles apply only to lawful content, services and applications -- not to activities like unlawful distribution of copyrighted works, which has serious economic consequences.) Where has any statement been made regarding prioritization being ok? Thanks, -Clint Ricker On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Right, which is why I phrased it that way. You can't deprioritize anything, but you can prioritize anything (based upon what I've read on this list). They accomplish the same thing, but at face value, one is permissible the other is not. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeff Broadwick jeffl
Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting for
Again, point 5. - open Internet principles apply only to lawful content, services and applications -- not to activities like unlawful distribution of copyrighted works, which has serious economic consequences. Of course, how do you know that bittorrent user isn't distributing GNU licensed material rather than superhotxxxmovie (c)2009 by superhotxxxmoviecompany.com? There's the rub. --C Clint Ricker wrote: The language of point 3 is targetting heavy users, not applications that may be heavy under some, even common, circumstances. While it seems like a small detail, it is, in fact, a big distinction--why should I be blocked from using bit torrent to download a gutenberg ebook (ie legal small) because my neighbor is doing warez full throttle, 24/7/365? Genachowski specifically alluded to Comcast degrading bit torrent traffic, something that Comcast claimed to be doing for reasons of network management and blocking of illegal content. Waving the illegal content flag is, in my opinion, very short sighted: - Legal video streaming services (hulu, netflix on demand) are rising. These are worse, in a lot of ways, than the bit torrent model since it requires a sustained throughput to provide a usable customer experience. They also often use HTTP or other common protocols. - Bit Torrent itself is trending more legal; major content providers and software companies are using it for legal distribution of content while the illegal content is making its way to other networks that are more secure / private - Last, but certainly not least, content providers are VERY eager to sign up the ISPs as content cops. Once you start down that road, you may very well find yourself as an operator having given away your own safe harbor rights and having the legal obligation to police your network for bad content. In general, it's hard to not see the WISPs taking the side of major MSOs, RBOCs, and content providers as a dangerous game. It's one thing to decide to block bit torrent because it carries a large percentage of illegal content. It's another thing when you have to implement, at your own expense, url / ip filtering, install deep packet inspection hardware (VERY expensive), and other extensive, expensive, and very time consuming process or face repeated and ongoing liability every time some kid on your network wants to duck out on paying 99c for an mp3. The content providers have been pushing for this for years; if ISPs start dancing the same tune to win the right to do some occasional fiddling with some packets, it would likely shift the balance of power. Given that many of the major service providers (Comcast, Time Warner, etc...) are also major content providers meaning that the expenses of manditory content filtering carried by the service provider business are offset by potential increases in profitability for the content producing side of the house. You, on the other hand, have nothing to gain here. You thought CALEA was bad? -Clint Ricker On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Curtis Maurand cmaur...@xyonet.com wrote: Take a look at the third and the fifth bullet points. --C Clint Ricker wrote: Where is everyone getting that you are allowed to prioritize anything? The speech details three points along the subject of prioritization. The Julius Genachowski's recent speech specifically said no prioritization--refer to section 5. - This means they cannot block or degrade lawful traffic over their networks (blocking / deprioritizing) - or pick winners by favoring some content or applications over others in the connection to subscribers' homes (prioritizing) - During periods of network congestion, for example, it may be appropriate for providers to ensure that very heavy users do not crowd out everyone else (block / degrade on a per-user basis, rather than per-application?) - Doesn't apply to managed services (I believe that he's referring to metro Ethernet with QOS) - open Internet principles apply only to lawful content, services and applications -- not to activities like unlawful distribution of copyrighted works, which has serious economic consequences. (As I said in my Senate confirmation hearing, open Internet principles apply only to lawful content, services and applications -- not to activities like unlawful distribution of copyrighted works, which has serious economic consequences.) Where has any statement been made regarding prioritization being ok? Thanks, -Clint Ricker On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Right, which is why I phrased it that way. You can't deprioritize anything, but you can prioritize anything (based upon what I've read on this list). They accomplish the same thing, but at face
Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality
. Smith d...@mvn.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality Curtis Maurand wrote: I think they're saying things like Time-Warner can't prioritize CNN (which is owned by Time, Inc.) over MSNBC or Youtube over hulu, etc. That may be what they mean, but that sure isn't what they're saying (or at least that's not what it sounds like from way up here in the peanut gallery). Can anyone comment on whether WISPA plans to adopt any official position on this? I'm not saying net neutrality is bad, because I adore the principles. I just want to be sure the FCC doesn't pass some overly-broad rulemaking, slanted towards bigger operators, that makes it difficult or impossible for smaller outfits (like mine!) to keep things running smoothly. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality
yes. Registration Service Provided By: ABOVE.COM, INC. Contact: +613.95897946 Domain Name: SUPERHOTSTUFF.COM Registrant: Above.com Domain Privacy 8 East concourse Beaumaris VIC 3193 AU hostmas...@above.com Tel. +61.395897946 Fax. Robert West wrote: Was a joke. But some who need porn in the morning.. that's just weird. But again, who am I to judge?! (Is there really a superhotstoffhere.com) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 4:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality Some of us don't need porn every morning and those that do won't admit nor complain about it. Saves us bandwidth. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Why do you put superhotstuffhere.com as 8? Some of us count on that every morning. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 3:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality Just needed to be worded based on service or type of traffic not destination. All TOS byte 184 traffic priority 1 All DNS priority 2 All HTTP priority 4 etc... WE DO NOT want cnn.com, twcbc.com, abc.com priority 1 google.com yahoo.com priority 2 whitehouse.com superhotstuffhere.com priority 8 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Curtis Maurand cmaur...@xyonet.com wrote: I think you're all jumping to conclusions. There will be modifications. You will probably find that you'll be able to limit outgoing bittorrent and block spam from botnetted machines, block illegal activity, etc. How do you determine illegal bittorrent (uploading of copyrighted content, etc.) from legal (uploading of GNU licensed open source)? There lies the big question. I think they're saying things like Time-Warner can't prioritize CNN (which is owned by Time, Inc.) over MSNBC or Youtube over hulu, etc. I still say they should allow you to prioritize VOIP over everything else. IMHO --Curtis Jerry Richardson wrote: I can't agree more. Blocking (0 bits passed) is constitutionally wrong IMO. Since I can no longer distinguish legal traffic from illegal traffic I have to allow it all. Shaping/Throttling/Caps is not only 100% within my rights, but as an ISP is prudent and a critical part of my business model and I would win that fight in court every time. We stopped selling residential service two years ago - they use more, pay less, and need the most support - however it's clear that this has hampered growth. I am planning to implement metered billing on our network. The plan is to determine the traffic utilization of 95% of our customers in each service tier and set that as the baseline. Moving forward light users will pay less and heavy users will pay more. It's the only way I can think of to survive and be fair. Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 9:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality Hi John, I appreciate hearing your thoughts and I believe that I understand the ISP concerns that new regulations may force ISPs to pass large or unlimited amounts of traffic to the detriment of 1) other ISP customers and 2) the financial well-being of the ISP. Again the two main Network Neutrality (NN) issues are 1) Bandwidth and 2) Content. Bandwidth should already be managed by all ISPs and no one (not the Government and not a competitor) should be able to force an ISP to deliver more bandwidth to a customer than the amount that the customer contracted for. If I want to stream an HDTV presentation but I only contracted for 256 k of bandwidth then I have no right to complain if the HDTV movie doesn't stream smoothly. Content is where I believe that the free speech issue is relevant. There area
Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality
something about salvia leaves. some sort of euphoric mind altering substance. --C Robert West wrote: I'm not looking. I will assume the site promotes super efficient heating devices. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Curtis Maurand Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 9:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality yes. Registration Service Provided By: ABOVE.COM, INC. Contact: +613.95897946 Domain Name: SUPERHOTSTUFF.COM Registrant: Above.com Domain Privacy 8 East concourse Beaumaris VIC 3193 AU hostmas...@above.com Tel. +61.395897946 Fax. Robert West wrote: Was a joke. But some who need porn in the morning.. that's just weird. But again, who am I to judge?! (Is there really a superhotstoffhere.com) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 4:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality Some of us don't need porn every morning and those that do won't admit nor complain about it. Saves us bandwidth. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Why do you put superhotstuffhere.com as 8? Some of us count on that every morning. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 3:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality Just needed to be worded based on service or type of traffic not destination. All TOS byte 184 traffic priority 1 All DNS priority 2 All HTTP priority 4 etc... WE DO NOT want cnn.com, twcbc.com, abc.com priority 1 google.com yahoo.com priority 2 whitehouse.com superhotstuffhere.com priority 8 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Curtis Maurand cmaur...@xyonet.com wrote: I think you're all jumping to conclusions. There will be modifications. You will probably find that you'll be able to limit outgoing bittorrent and block spam from botnetted machines, block illegal activity, etc. How do you determine illegal bittorrent (uploading of copyrighted content, etc.) from legal (uploading of GNU licensed open source)? There lies the big question. I think they're saying things like Time-Warner can't prioritize CNN (which is owned by Time, Inc.) over MSNBC or Youtube over hulu, etc. I still say they should allow you to prioritize VOIP over everything else. IMHO --Curtis Jerry Richardson wrote: I can't agree more. Blocking (0 bits passed) is constitutionally wrong IMO. Since I can no longer distinguish legal traffic from illegal traffic I have to allow it all. Shaping/Throttling/Caps is not only 100% within my rights, but as an ISP is prudent and a critical part of my business model and I would win that fight in court every time. We stopped selling residential service two years ago - they use more, pay less, and need the most support - however it's clear that this has hampered growth. I am planning to implement metered billing on our network. The plan is to determine the traffic utilization of 95% of our customers in each service tier and set that as the baseline. Moving forward light users will pay less and heavy users will pay more. It's the only way I can think of to survive and be fair. Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 9:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality Hi John, I appreciate hearing your thoughts and I believe that I understand the ISP concerns that new regulations may force ISPs to pass large or unlimited amounts of traffic to the detriment of 1
Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality
I think you're all jumping to conclusions. There will be modifications. You will probably find that you'll be able to limit outgoing bittorrent and block spam from botnetted machines, block illegal activity, etc. How do you determine illegal bittorrent (uploading of copyrighted content, etc.) from legal (uploading of GNU licensed open source)? There lies the big question. I think they're saying things like Time-Warner can't prioritize CNN (which is owned by Time, Inc.) over MSNBC or Youtube over hulu, etc. I still say they should allow you to prioritize VOIP over everything else. IMHO --Curtis Jerry Richardson wrote: I can't agree more. Blocking (0 bits passed) is constitutionally wrong IMO. Since I can no longer distinguish legal traffic from illegal traffic I have to allow it all. Shaping/Throttling/Caps is not only 100% within my rights, but as an ISP is prudent and a critical part of my business model and I would win that fight in court every time. We stopped selling residential service two years ago - they use more, pay less, and need the most support - however it's clear that this has hampered growth. I am planning to implement metered billing on our network. The plan is to determine the traffic utilization of 95% of our customers in each service tier and set that as the baseline. Moving forward light users will pay less and heavy users will pay more. It's the only way I can think of to survive and be fair. Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 9:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality Hi John, I appreciate hearing your thoughts and I believe that I understand the ISP concerns that new regulations may force ISPs to pass large or unlimited amounts of traffic to the detriment of 1) other ISP customers and 2) the financial well-being of the ISP. Again the two main Network Neutrality (NN) issues are 1) Bandwidth and 2) Content. Bandwidth should already be managed by all ISPs and no one (not the Government and not a competitor) should be able to force an ISP to deliver more bandwidth to a customer than the amount that the customer contracted for. If I want to stream an HDTV presentation but I only contracted for 256 k of bandwidth then I have no right to complain if the HDTV movie doesn't stream smoothly. Content is where I believe that the free speech issue is relevant. There area two (or perhaps more) sides of free speech. 1. THE POLITICAL SIDE - There is the political side and this is the side that I am concerned with when I say that protecting free speech is vital. When Democrats are in power, I don't want them to have the right to keep Republicans from using the Internet to discuss ideas that oppose the Democrats. When Republicans are in power, I don't want them to have the right to keep Democrats from using the Internet to discuss ideas that oppose the Republicans. When either Democrats or Republicans are in power, I don't want either of them to have the right to keep independent voices from organizing or using the Internet to discuss independent ideas. This is what I mean by protecting and preserving the right to free speech. 2. THE COMMERCIAL SIDE - Currently, we live in a commercialized (possibly an over-commercialized) world. When many journalists write about Network Neutrality they could care less about protecting the political side of free speech. All they focus on is the commercial side of Content - for example Service and Content Provider A is blocking the services of Content Provider B. To me, this is a Restraint of Trade issue rather than a political Free Speech issue but it still falls under the heading of Content and is therefore addressed by NN. Should NN address the commercial side of Content?? Yes, I think it's appropriate that it does. Should one Content and Service provider be allowed to prohibit or unfairly delay the services of another Content provider who is using their network?? No, I don't think so. Every service provider should be required to carry the content of every other content or service provider equally, without restriction AS LONG AS THE CONTRACTED BANDWIDTH LIMITS ARE NOT EXCEEDED. If I contract for 256k of bandwidth do I have a right to ask my ISP to stream HDTV movies to me without delay? No, I do NOT because I am asking to consume more bandwidth then I have contracted to pay for and the ISP must slow my stream down to be able to manage their total bandwidth so they can deliver the contracted amount of bandwidth to all their customers. This is reasonable network management and it's perfectly proper. Sorry for the long-winded explanation but I felt that it was necessary to distinguish between the political Free Speech Content issue and the Commercial Content
Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting for
I said this in another post, but they're talking about keeping Time-Warner Cable from prioritizing Time-Warner entertainment's content over NBC, or myspace over facebook or youtube over hulu not whether or not you can block outgoing smtp traffic from a bot-netted machine or illegal uploads of copyrighted material. BTW, how do tell if someone's uploading the latest copyrighted hollywood movie illegally over bittorrent as opposed to uploading GNU copyrighted open source stuff such as a linux distribution? I don't think anyone is going to fault you for throttling outgoing content. chances are, http servers are not going to be on your network except in those special business cases that require a web host. Even then, its probably to provide web access to their exchange server. And if your policy is to prioritize VOIP traffic over everything else, I don't think they're going to come after for that, especially if its in your network management policy announcement. I just don't think its as bad as you all make it out to be. --Curtis Josh Luthman wrote: Wow you are my hero. Best quote I have ever seen. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Isn't the 28th amendment the right to keep and bear firewalls? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 12:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting for They can pry my firewall from my cold, dead hands. -RickG On 9/21/09, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: http://openinternet.gov/read-speech.html In addition to the four classic Network neutrality principles, the FCC plans to pursue two more. Quotes from the speech: * The fifth principle is one of non-discrimination -- stating that broadband providers cannot discriminate against particular Internet content or applications. * The sixth principle is a transparency principle -- stating that providers of broadband Internet access must be transparent about their network management practices. I love the sixth one, but number five gives me the willies. Nope, doesn't matter that BitTorrent users bring your network to its knees, you're not allowed to do anything about it. Please tell me I'm missing something. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality
Excactly. --C Josh Luthman wrote: Just needed to be worded based on service or type of traffic not destination. All TOS byte 184 traffic priority 1 All DNS priority 2 All HTTP priority 4 etc... WE DO NOT want cnn.com, twcbc.com, abc.com priority 1 google.com yahoo.com priority 2 whitehouse.com superhotstuffhere.com priority 8 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Curtis Maurand cmaur...@xyonet.com wrote: I think you're all jumping to conclusions. There will be modifications. You will probably find that you'll be able to limit outgoing bittorrent and block spam from botnetted machines, block illegal activity, etc. How do you determine illegal bittorrent (uploading of copyrighted content, etc.) from legal (uploading of GNU licensed open source)? There lies the big question. I think they're saying things like Time-Warner can't prioritize CNN (which is owned by Time, Inc.) over MSNBC or Youtube over hulu, etc. I still say they should allow you to prioritize VOIP over everything else. IMHO --Curtis Jerry Richardson wrote: I can't agree more. Blocking (0 bits passed) is constitutionally wrong IMO. Since I can no longer distinguish legal traffic from illegal traffic I have to allow it all. Shaping/Throttling/Caps is not only 100% within my rights, but as an ISP is prudent and a critical part of my business model and I would win that fight in court every time. We stopped selling residential service two years ago - they use more, pay less, and need the most support - however it's clear that this has hampered growth. I am planning to implement metered billing on our network. The plan is to determine the traffic utilization of 95% of our customers in each service tier and set that as the baseline. Moving forward light users will pay less and heavy users will pay more. It's the only way I can think of to survive and be fair. Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 9:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality Hi John, I appreciate hearing your thoughts and I believe that I understand the ISP concerns that new regulations may force ISPs to pass large or unlimited amounts of traffic to the detriment of 1) other ISP customers and 2) the financial well-being of the ISP. Again the two main Network Neutrality (NN) issues are 1) Bandwidth and 2) Content. Bandwidth should already be managed by all ISPs and no one (not the Government and not a competitor) should be able to force an ISP to deliver more bandwidth to a customer than the amount that the customer contracted for. If I want to stream an HDTV presentation but I only contracted for 256 k of bandwidth then I have no right to complain if the HDTV movie doesn't stream smoothly. Content is where I believe that the free speech issue is relevant. There area two (or perhaps more) sides of free speech. 1. THE POLITICAL SIDE - There is the political side and this is the side that I am concerned with when I say that protecting free speech is vital. When Democrats are in power, I don't want them to have the right to keep Republicans from using the Internet to discuss ideas that oppose the Democrats. When Republicans are in power, I don't want them to have the right to keep Democrats from using the Internet to discuss ideas that oppose the Republicans. When either Democrats or Republicans are in power, I don't want either of them to have the right to keep independent voices from organizing or using the Internet to discuss independent ideas. This is what I mean by protecting and preserving the right to free speech. 2. THE COMMERCIAL SIDE - Currently, we live in a commercialized (possibly an over-commercialized) world. When many journalists write about Network Neutrality they could care less about protecting the political side of free speech. All they focus on is the commercial side of Content - for example Service and Content Provider A is blocking the services of Content Provider B. To me, this is a Restraint of Trade issue rather than a political Free Speech issue but it still falls under the heading of Content and is therefore addressed by NN. Should NN address the commercial side of Content?? Yes, I think it's appropriate that it does. Should one Content and Service provider be allowed to prohibit or unfairly delay the services of another Content provider who is using their network?? No, I don't think so. Every service provider
Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps
Jack Unger wrote: Hi Victoria, The FCC Workship 1 Mbps statement is very, very generalized. It's nothing to get upset about. If we want the FCC to update their knowledge about WISPs then we need to educate the FCC. We DO educate them with every FCC filing and presentation that we make. In the last year, we've made about a dozen written filings plus an in-person presentations to four of the five previous FCC Commissioners and to the FCC OET staff. Keep in mind that everything we write or present becomes a part of the public record. WISPA's FCC Committee is working on writing and filing FCC Comments right now, at this very moment. This filing is in response to an FCC Notice of Inquiry (NOI) about advanced telecommunications services and broadband. The NOI asks whether broadband is being deployed to all Americans in a reasonable and timely fashion. The NOI asks five core questions. Ooh. Ooh. This is easy. :-) (1) How should we define advanced telecommunications capability or broadband? *(NOTE: The FCC is asking about speed here)* A reasonable enduser experience with websites like YouTube, Hulu or BBC without too much finger drumming. (2) Is broadband available to all Americans? No (3) Is the current level of broadband deployment reasonable and timely? No (4) What actions, if any, should the Commission take to accelerate broadband deployment? This one is harder. If we want to perpetuate the duopoly system that dominiates the urban/suburban landscape, then: Mandate that 100% of America (and territories) be covered, with a deadline for compliance and stiff fines for non-complience. Otherwise, huge tax breaks for the little guy (read WISP) to get the job done. If you're a company with over 50 employees, no tax break. (5) What actions should the Commission take to improve its regular broadband data collection efforts? Help the little guy, because he's the one who'll serve where the duopoly won't. duopoly = CATV monopoly plus ILEC. --C We've got to be a little careful about how we ask the FCC to define broadband because: 1. If we set the bar too high, for example by saying that broadband is 5 Mbps or more then we risk excluding WISPs who do not provide at least 5 Mbps. They may not be eligible for funding or may not even be considered legitimate WISPs. 2. Some WISPs do not understand the difference between raw data rate and actual throughput and we don't want one WISP's lack of understanding to distort the FCC's definitions of broadband. 3. Some WISPs do not understand that throughput is shared between all of the active customers on an AP at any given moment. Even if an AP is capable of delivering 10 Mbps of actual throughput, when 30 customers are active then less than 333k (10 Meg divided by 30) is available to each customer, sometimes far less. We don't want to let the fact that available throughput per customer is usually less than the maximum single-customer throughput to distort the FCC's definition of broadband. In conclusion, I think it's better to let the FCC set the broadband bar a little low so we have a chance to demonstrate that we can sometimes exceed it rather than let some WISP who is bragging about speeds that he may or may actually be able to deliver cause the FCC to set the broadband bar too high so that the FCC writes unrealistic regulations (or the NITA and RUS originate unrealistic grant programs) that either ignore or exclude the needs of the majority of WISPs. Jack Unger Chair - WISPA FCC Committee St. Louis Broadband wrote: They are not getting it from my form 477. The only 1 Mbps service we offer is upload and that is with a 5 Mbps download. Victoria -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps Hmm, so I guess my 10Mbps down and 8mbps up wireless links (yes, to customers) don't count My guess, though, is that they're pulling this data from the 477 and making assumptions based on that. Most of our customers are 1.5Mbps or less customers so looking at the raw 477 data then yes, it would appear that we may not be doing much more than the 1.5meg. Interesting... -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Lists Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:54 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps This really ticks me off: Wireless broadband Internet access services offered over fixed networks allow consumers to access the Internet from a fixed point while stationary and often require a direct line-of-sight between the wireless transmitter and receiver. These services have been offered using both licensed spectrum
Re: [WISPA] solar site
Home depot's site. go figure. $329 a Solar Back Up Kit (as they call it.) 60 Watts. $329 http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051langId=-1catalogId=10053productId=100658288 Mike wrote: It depends on how high you push it up. I *HAVE* had it all the way up with a 12 panel, low wind condition, one person on the ground and the other sitting on the gable end of a roof for testing. The top two sections get a little wispy (pun intended) for big panels, or to leave up. I regularly put it 20' - 26' and leave it with a panel attached. They sell a drive-on mount with a socket for holding it. I just mounted mine through the trailer side with one of those nice alloy dish mounts so I can rotate it to about 45 degrees for transport. When I set it up, I rotate upright, put the end into a socket I made from one of those floor PVC toilet bowl flanges. Eyeball along a building or vertical surface in two planes and you get the whole thing somewhat vertical. Above the mount, on the side of the trailer, I put two stainless eye bolts. Once I get the mast vertical, I put a custom fitted piece of wood with an arc cut in the end to fit the pole, between the pole and trailer and lash it with a bungy cord. Gives it a third attachment point along the trailer side; ground, middle, near the top. It's raining pretty hard right now or I'd take a picture. I can set it up on Friday in about 20 minutes at the market. At 08:03 AM 8/26/2009, you wrote: Would the wonder pole handle a wind load of an NS2/Canopy? What about a massive Arc MT combo? How do you mount the base? Can this be made mobile/temporary? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 8:55 AM, ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org wrote: Were you speaking of the pneumatic mast in my pics, or of the wonder pole? Mine is a Wil-burt or Wilburt and they cost a bunch- like $5,000.00 new. But since the DTV rollout is complete, there should be surplus ENG trucks around with these masts. The TV stations started keeping their old trucks to use for testing. I actually had one given to me complete with pole and generator. I could not go get it and the station decided to keep it for DTV testing. Call around to your local stations and ask about surplus ENG trucks. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 5:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site I'd love to add that to my trailer. What is the make? At 11:36 PM 8/25/2009, you wrote: That sounds like great public service and a way to get recognized too! If you want to see something that really gets attention, have a look at my site survey/portable AP rig. http://ralphfowler.com I have been reluctant to put signs on it though, for obvious reasons. (people already think I am toting a rocket launcher) LOL Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 10:57 PM To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site This particular setup is mounted to a 4 x 6 x 4 Wells Cargo enclosed trailer. I painted it bright white and added my logo and on one side Solar Powered Wireless. I park it at events and provide free WiFi. I park it downtown every Friday for Farmers Market and the name recognition has been outstanding. I have a 40 foot Wonder Pole mounted to the side I swing into position and hoist a Deliberant panel up. Inside the trailer I have a Deliberant AP2i doing DHCP and giving out access. I don't push the pole up farther than 15 or 20 feet for events, but will run it all the way up for site surveys on occasion. Both radios pull less than an Amp total and the system supplies 2.5 Amp in good sun. The 800 Amp hour battery will run it for 800 hours? Mike At 08:04 PM 8/25/2009, you wrote: Interesting. What radios are you powering this with? Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:50:14 -0500 I bought two of the Northern Tool $79.00 15 watt panels, their $49.00 charge controller, a deep cycle marine battery from Walmart and built my own. So far, the fully charged light comes on every day. The battery should run my two radio repeater for more than a week. Might not be the club way to do it, but it works. Mike At 11:09 PM 8/24/2009, you wrote: Hi All, Sorry for the cross post. Time is short on this project and I
Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone?
Good God, half the cell phones on the planet have GPS built into them. I used a Motorola Razr as a GPS on my last trip to Virginia a couple of years ago. iPhones and Blackberry's and Palm Pre's have them and the ability to link them to Google Maps. Job's done. Why carry a separate GPS? I don't get it. --Curtis Robert West wrote: I'm finally getting rid of my Delorme Earthmate GPS unit. It has served me well these past 10 years. I will certainly miss having to boot up my laptop, plug the thing into the serial port of my OLD laptop because the newer ones do not have the serial port and to use that USB to serial adapter is more fun that I could handle Then hope and pray that the batteries in the Earthmate are still good for I always forget to check before I go out But with that said, I need a replacement. I've been looking at some small Garmin all weather units but they seem to stress geo-caching and hiking. If I had time for that, it may get my attention, but I own a small business that I started because I needed to be more flexible with my time. Working 80 hours+ a week is about as flexible as it gets so no, I do not have time for that sort of crazy, high on life sort of living. I simply need a GPS that I won't break (or be too badly damaged) when I drop it off a 70 foot AP (it will happen, trust me), that will not be ruined when I forget it on the top of the same AP and go home and it just happens to rain overnight, can be recharged in the van and will give me the two pieces of information I really desire. My location coordinates and how high I am. Someone else can mess with all those other functions, I'd have to give it to my 4 year old to figure that stuff out anyhow, I just need to know where and how high. Anyone have a good recommendation on a handheld GPS unit? (I guess I could have just said one line but it's not as fun) Thanks in advance. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
I don't know, but I think I'd run point-to-point wireless to the building and then run DSL in the building. I think it would be more reliable. --Curtis Robert West wrote: I agree to that. For what you are doing, the Mikrotik would be a no brainer to decide on. But that that, he's looking to install indoors with many apartments. All the cordless phones, microwave ovens, baby monitors, wireless routers, PlayStations, Wii consoles and the like all about as close as one could stand. Oh, and dunno the location but I've seen way too many of these apartment complexes where each and every balcony has a DirecTV dish hung off it. A huge wall of DirecTV bouncing all over. With all this RF concentrated in such a small place, what band should they be looking at as well as antenna choice. I think THAT would be hard part to see what would work reliably before sinking cash into the accessories for that MT board. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 3:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings Jeff Yette wrote: To clarify, we are not looking for a hosted application, but more of a home-grown solution. We have all of the components for billing, which will automatically create a radius account and e-mail, we have online billing and web-mail - the only part is the is missing is the web authentication piece. If you're willing to roll your own, Mikrotik RouterOS has built-in hotspot functionality that can easily be configured to talk to your RADIUS server of choice. The ugly-but-functional version can probably be going in an hour; you'll want to make your own pretty login page and do some other cosmetic tweaks, but those aren't too difficult either. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone?
My Nextel i720 (when I used Nextel) had real GPS. You have to look carefully, but lots of cell phones have real GPS receivers in them. If I'm on a tower, I'm using bluetooth so I have my hands free and then I can look at the GPS at the same time. the iphone doesn't multi-task. The Pre and Blackberries do. D. Ryan Spott wrote: Most of the GPS capability on cell phones is quasi GPS using cell tower locations to give location data. When there is only 1 cell tower in the area, it is sorta hard to do triangulation! ryan On Aug 21, 2009, at 5:45 AM, Scott Reed wrote: Because 1/2 the cell phones on the planet don't have GPS Because not everyone carries a cell phone. Because sometimes it may be necessary to have the cell phone to talk on while looking at the GPS. Curtis Maurand wrote: Good God, half the cell phones on the planet have GPS built into them. I used a Motorola Razr as a GPS on my last trip to Virginia a couple of years ago. iPhones and Blackberry's and Palm Pre's have them and the ability to link them to Google Maps. Job's done. Why carry a separate GPS? I don't get it. --Curtis Robert West wrote: I'm finally getting rid of my Delorme Earthmate GPS unit. It has served me well these past 10 years. I will certainly miss having to boot up my laptop, plug the thing into the serial port of my OLD laptop because the newer ones do not have the serial port and to use that USB to serial adapter is more fun that I could handle Then hope and pray that the batteries in the Earthmate are still good for I always forget to check before I go out But with that said, I need a replacement. I've been looking at some small Garmin all weather units but they seem to stress geo-caching and hiking. If I had time for that, it may get my attention, but I own a small business that I started because I needed to be more flexible with my time. Working 80 hours+ a week is about as flexible as it gets so no, I do not have time for that sort of crazy, high on life sort of living. I simply need a GPS that I won't break (or be too badly damaged) when I drop it off a 70 foot AP (it will happen, trust me), that will not be ruined when I forget it on the top of the same AP and go home and it just happens to rain overnight, can be recharged in the van and will give me the two pieces of information I really desire. My location coordinates and how high I am. Someone else can mess with all those other functions, I'd have to give it to my 4 year old to figure that stuff out anyhow, I just need to know where and how high. Anyone have a good recommendation on a handheld GPS unit? (I guess I could have just said one line but it's not as fun) Thanks in advance. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.63/2316 - Release Date: 08/20/09 18:06:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http
Re: [WISPA] Content Filter Suggestion for School
If you go to dansguardian.org, they have links to their commercial version. These folks are also the folks that produce the smoothwall firewall system and they have a setup called schoolguard as well as preconfigured appliances. --Curtis Israel Lopez-LISTS wrote: I have to agree. It seem that these hardware boxes that try to do 'all in one' services (Routing, NAT, Firewall, AV, Content-Filtering, Spam)... seem to fall on their face. I know of a consultant buddy of mine who implemented it, and hated every second of it. He is still cursing at it when it fails (AD Connector stops working requiring manual resets of the box, etc,). -IL os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: I had some very bad experiences with SonicWall and their service/ support. For one thing their basic content filter package was useless because it did not block proxy sites. They expected us to pay hundreds more a year for their premium filter package just to get the functionality of their basic package to work. Discussions with customer service/tech support fell on deaf ears. There were heated discussions on the forum (everyone was fed up with SonicWall) but SonicWall wouldn't budge. We got a little response from them when I suggested to the forum that perhaps this topic would be a good start for a class action lawsuit. I was using one of their lowest end products at the time so maybe they give better support for their higher end products. However I would never use SonicWall again. There's many other competitors out there. There's a few products which I don't recall the name of but they're specifically geared to scholastic/library settings. For our filtering needs we switched to Untangle. Another we used and liked was Astaro. Greg On Aug 13, 2009, at 7:31 AM, Jason Hensley wrote: Sonicwall has some outstanding products as far as an all-in-one appliance for firewall, content filtering, spam, virus, etc etc. I have one in place for a school and our local library. Make sure you get one with enough horse-power. A small school may work fine with a TZ-200 or TZ-190, but you get very large, and you will quickly end up needing more than that. Be glad to quote you out one if you needed. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 10:35 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Content Filter Suggestion for School I need a web content filter for K-12 school. Paid Subscription ok. Please let me know what good products there are for this requirement. Need asap. Thanks... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Content Filter Suggestion for School
I've also used dansguardian. Its free. http://dansguardian.org/ Cheers, Curtis Frank Muto wrote: http://www.opendns.com/solutions/k12/filtering/ Frank Muto Secure Email Plus www.secureemailplus.com - Original Message - From: Israel Lopez-LISTS ilopezli...@sandboxitsolutions.com To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 3:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Content Filter Suggestion for School OpenDNS works in a pinch. However filters for all of DNS requests originating from one public IP (Students Admins)... you could go Hardware Based Filtering... barracuda and or cymphonix boxes as well. -Israel Scott Carullo wrote: I need a web content filter for K-12 school. Paid Subscription ok. Please let me know what good products there are for this requirement. Need asap. Thanks... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] work order software
free RickG wrote: Any idea of price? -RickG On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Curtis Maurandcmaur...@xyonet.com wrote: I kind of like this one. http://www.accord5.com/trellis Jason Hensley wrote: We use Wombat that is built in to Platypus. Inexpensive is a relative term :-) For us, it's well worth the $99/mth that we pay for it. For others, that may not be worth it at all. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 11:53 AM To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] work order software I'm looking for an inexpensive work order management solution. -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] work order software
I kind of like this one. http://www.accord5.com/trellis Jason Hensley wrote: We use Wombat that is built in to Platypus. Inexpensive is a relative term :-) For us, it's well worth the $99/mth that we pay for it. For others, that may not be worth it at all. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 11:53 AM To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] work order software I'm looking for an inexpensive work order management solution. -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator
Something like that. These guys have one that runs for 90 hours is 250 watts 12 or 24 VDC and uses a methanol and water mix. methane fuel cells don't use platinum and are, therefore, less expensive. Its configurable with an RS-232 port. It can be used as a battery charger as well so that if your system has dropped to battery, it will recharge the battery after its charge has dropped to a configurable level. Its pretty cool stuff. I was looking to backup power an entire data center with one of the larger ones a couple of years ago. There is a european company called BAXI that makes fuel cells as well. This one is perfect for the application requirements in the original email. I don't recall them as being that expensive either. http://www.idatech.com/Products-and-Services-iGen-System2.asp --Curtis Tom DeReggi wrote: Thanks PS. Isn't Hydrogen Fual Cell the technology Spring just got like $X billion grant to pioneer? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Curtis Maurand cmaur...@xyonet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator Sorry, I should have posted this page. no moving parts. http://www.idatech.com/ Tom DeReggi wrote: Patrick, All excellent points, and reality checks. Thanks for the feedback! Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Patrick Shoemaker shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator I think you'll find that to get a propane/NG generator installed on a commercial building rooftop, you'll be looking at $10k minimum using even the cheapest Generac air-cooled units. You'll need a roofing company to come out and modify the roof to provide a mounting surface for the generator, that will probably be the biggest cost. Getting management comfortable with modifying a $300k roof membrane could be an issue as well. Then getting gas to the unit from the building's gas supply will require a plumbing contractor, permits, inspections. Then the electrical hookup- more permits and inspections and a licensed EC. I just got a quote for qty 8 110AH 12v AGM batteries for a new site: $1500 including shipping. A note on the Generac air-cooled generators. They break. All generators break. The key is routine testing and PM. The generac air-cooled models don't have any provision for automatic alarm reporting. So when a battery dies or gas valve sticks or spark plug fouls or whatever, you won't know about it until a manual site inspection or the power goes out. The better generators (and the Generac liquid cooled models) have contact closures or RS232 interfaces to report these conditions to your site monitoring system, in turn notifying you back at the NOC. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Tom DeReggi wrote: We also use the triplite APS inverters with good quality Gel cell. Actually, we got a good 15 years out of the existing CD batteries, because we inherited them from Teligent days :-) But new, qty 4- 12V 150AH batteries in series for about 3500watt and decent run-time is $1400. + $800 for replacement inverters. (The Triplites worked really well, but about half of them died by the end of eight years. We matched good inverters with good pre-existing batteries and vice versa.) So our thought was Why not buy a $2000 generator for the run-time and load, and then several smaller UPSes for infront to cover the surges, power conditioning, and monitoring? Ones that keep running even when batteries short out. Part of the reason we are investigating is that we now have duplicate need of devices to power. Some are AC devices like PC routers. Some are 20-24VDC w/AC adapters. Some are new licensed gear running on 48V. Cost is increased having long battery run time on both seperate AC and DC backup power subsystems. And how do we plan for load growth? How many new radios installed will be AC or DC? Unlicensed versus Licensed? We really dont know in advance. There is a lot of power waste going from AC to DC to AC to DC. The thought was... If long run time was accomplished by the propaine generator, both DC and AC battery subsystems could be installed with lower cost lower run-time batteries. We'd still need to account for max watts growth for each subsystem, but we could way reduce AH requirements for both subsystems. Or am I making this to complicated, and better just sticking with batteries :-) Chris Erikson's idea on solar panels sounded interesting. Although, I bet my ruthless roof rights
Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator
I don't remember, you'd have to call them. --C 3-dB Networks wrote: What do those cost? Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Curtis Maurand Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 8:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator Something like that. These guys have one that runs for 90 hours is 250 watts 12 or 24 VDC and uses a methanol and water mix. methane fuel cells don't use platinum and are, therefore, less expensive. Its configurable with an RS-232 port. It can be used as a battery charger as well so that if your system has dropped to battery, it will recharge the battery after its charge has dropped to a configurable level. Its pretty cool stuff. I was looking to backup power an entire data center with one of the larger ones a couple of years ago. There is a european company called BAXI that makes fuel cells as well. This one is perfect for the application requirements in the original email. I don't recall them as being that expensive either. http://www.idatech.com/Products-and-Services-iGen-System2.asp --Curtis Tom DeReggi wrote: Thanks PS. Isn't Hydrogen Fual Cell the technology Spring just got like $X billion grant to pioneer? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Curtis Maurand cmaur...@xyonet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator Sorry, I should have posted this page. no moving parts. http://www.idatech.com/ Tom DeReggi wrote: Patrick, All excellent points, and reality checks. Thanks for the feedback! Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Patrick Shoemaker shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator I think you'll find that to get a propane/NG generator installed on a commercial building rooftop, you'll be looking at $10k minimum using even the cheapest Generac air-cooled units. You'll need a roofing company to come out and modify the roof to provide a mounting surface for the generator, that will probably be the biggest cost. Getting management comfortable with modifying a $300k roof membrane could be an issue as well. Then getting gas to the unit from the building's gas supply will require a plumbing contractor, permits, inspections. Then the electrical hookup- more permits and inspections and a licensed EC. I just got a quote for qty 8 110AH 12v AGM batteries for a new site: $1500 including shipping. A note on the Generac air-cooled generators. They break. All generators break. The key is routine testing and PM. The generac air-cooled models don't have any provision for automatic alarm reporting. So when a battery dies or gas valve sticks or spark plug fouls or whatever, you won't know about it until a manual site inspection or the power goes out. The better generators (and the Generac liquid cooled models) have contact closures or RS232 interfaces to report these conditions to your site monitoring system, in turn notifying you back at the NOC. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Tom DeReggi wrote: We also use the triplite APS inverters with good quality Gel cell. Actually, we got a good 15 years out of the existing CD batteries, because we inherited them from Teligent days :-) But new, qty 4- 12V 150AH batteries in series for about 3500watt and decent run-time is $1400. + $800 for replacement inverters. (The Triplites worked really well, but about half of them died by the end of eight years. We matched good inverters with good pre-existing batteries and vice versa.) So our thought was Why not buy a $2000 generator for the run-time and load, and then several smaller UPSes for infront to cover the surges, power conditioning, and monitoring? Ones that keep running even when batteries short out. Part of the reason we are investigating is that we now have duplicate need of devices to power. Some are AC devices like PC routers. Some are 20-24VDC w/AC adapters
Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator
Fuel cells, too. http://www.fuelcellmarkets.com/products_and_services/3,1,599,17,7561.html Christopher Erickson wrote: The right type of batteries could give you 15 to 20 years of service. And adding a pair of solar panels and an MPPT solar charge controller could increase your backup battery run time from a couple of days to a couple of weeks. And no volatile fuel issues to deal with either. And their PMI interval is a godsend too. And cheaper than a genny. Add another panel or two and you might even be able to drop your grid connection. Remember to eliminate as many power conversions as possible from your telecom power design. -Christopher Erickson Network Design Engineer 5432 E. Northern Lights Blvd., Suite 529 Anchorage, AK 99508 N61?11.710' W149?46.723' -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 10:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator Patrick, In general, sounds like good advice. To clarify our intent, in posting. From yr 2000-2008, our model was to 1) Have minimum 12 hour run-time of battery for core cell sites. 2) Have contingency plan for hooking up a mobile gasoline powered generator, in longer lasting Emergencies. (We have a couple hot spare generators) Why are we changing our view point? 1) Many of the batteries have now died, and need replaced. Batteries are still very expensive. Propaine Generators have come way down in price (aka Generac) In most case, the generator will be less expensive than the batteries, based on watt load at the sites. 2) Our network has grown, but our staff size has shrunk. We realize the challenge that more than one site can loose power at once, and harder to get to multiple locations at once with generators. Its hard to know when batteries will hold or not, when towards the end of their life, so its always a rush with the genrators. 9/10 cases by the time we get generators onsite, the power gets restored within minutes. 3) Its easy to throw a generator on a Grant Application :-) We believe permanent onsite generators would likely increase uptime, and not necessarilly be more expensive, for some of our sites. (We'd of course still keep some patteries inline) The question is whether it will be more hassle than we realize to re-fill them and inspect them. Some people told me quarterly inspections are needed, or sometimes they do not start when needed. We are already connected to building generators, where we were allowed to, so we are looking at sites where our only option was to put in our own. I'm still uncertain what objections or preferences property management would have for this type stuff. For example, whether they would be concerned about it blowing up if a gas leak occured. I actually have one building in mind wher egetting a new electrical connector from the roof to the ground would be really a big pain. Would require Xray and drilling every floor of 20. There I'd like to put a roof mounted propaine generator. I was thinking maybe the best option is to just have a small external tank, and swap the tank after use? I would think where there is pre-existing riser space, I'd want to mount on ground level, and run thick gauge AC wire up. Mostly I was wondering if management companies look for specific features for the device, or if Generac would offer all standard features to meet the requirements of code and property managers. For our smaller watt sites, we'd of course stick with batteries. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Patrick Shoemaker shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator Yes, it's possible to get a generator installed on a roof, but it will be an expensive project in our area due to the code compliance issues. However, most commercial buildings will have a preexisting emergency power system for critical loads installed already. There are strict requirements such as sub 10 second startup times, routine testing, and fuel availability requirements. If you talk to the building engineer, you might be able to convince them to allow you a small amount of power from an emergency circuit. The buildings I am in do this for most of their tenants for phone systems, etc. Failing that, have an electrician run conduit to the parking lot and place a power inlet down there. Be sure to have 24 hours of battery capacity, and use a trailer-mounted generator in the parking lot for the rare outage that lasts longer than the batteries. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Tom
Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator
Sorry, I should have posted this page. no moving parts. http://www.idatech.com/ Tom DeReggi wrote: Patrick, All excellent points, and reality checks. Thanks for the feedback! Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Patrick Shoemaker shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator I think you'll find that to get a propane/NG generator installed on a commercial building rooftop, you'll be looking at $10k minimum using even the cheapest Generac air-cooled units. You'll need a roofing company to come out and modify the roof to provide a mounting surface for the generator, that will probably be the biggest cost. Getting management comfortable with modifying a $300k roof membrane could be an issue as well. Then getting gas to the unit from the building's gas supply will require a plumbing contractor, permits, inspections. Then the electrical hookup- more permits and inspections and a licensed EC. I just got a quote for qty 8 110AH 12v AGM batteries for a new site: $1500 including shipping. A note on the Generac air-cooled generators. They break. All generators break. The key is routine testing and PM. The generac air-cooled models don't have any provision for automatic alarm reporting. So when a battery dies or gas valve sticks or spark plug fouls or whatever, you won't know about it until a manual site inspection or the power goes out. The better generators (and the Generac liquid cooled models) have contact closures or RS232 interfaces to report these conditions to your site monitoring system, in turn notifying you back at the NOC. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Tom DeReggi wrote: We also use the triplite APS inverters with good quality Gel cell. Actually, we got a good 15 years out of the existing CD batteries, because we inherited them from Teligent days :-) But new, qty 4- 12V 150AH batteries in series for about 3500watt and decent run-time is $1400. + $800 for replacement inverters. (The Triplites worked really well, but about half of them died by the end of eight years. We matched good inverters with good pre-existing batteries and vice versa.) So our thought was Why not buy a $2000 generator for the run-time and load, and then several smaller UPSes for infront to cover the surges, power conditioning, and monitoring? Ones that keep running even when batteries short out. Part of the reason we are investigating is that we now have duplicate need of devices to power. Some are AC devices like PC routers. Some are 20-24VDC w/AC adapters. Some are new licensed gear running on 48V. Cost is increased having long battery run time on both seperate AC and DC backup power subsystems. And how do we plan for load growth? How many new radios installed will be AC or DC? Unlicensed versus Licensed? We really dont know in advance. There is a lot of power waste going from AC to DC to AC to DC. The thought was... If long run time was accomplished by the propaine generator, both DC and AC battery subsystems could be installed with lower cost lower run-time batteries. We'd still need to account for max watts growth for each subsystem, but we could way reduce AH requirements for both subsystems. Or am I making this to complicated, and better just sticking with batteries :-) Chris Erikson's idea on solar panels sounded interesting. Although, I bet my ruthless roof rights people will try to charge me a monthly colo fee for them :-( I wonder if I can make the solar panels look like rain/weather shields :-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator The tripplite APS is what we use for this. Small generators are a pain. On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 02:57:23PM -0430, os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: You might want something like an inverter (Xantrex for example) which includes a DC to AC inverter, battery charger, and automatic transfer switch. Add the batteries and you're done. Greg On Aug 2, 2009, at 2:38 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Thank you, That is very good advice. After some research, I'm leaning toward a UPS. A pair of good AGM batteries and charge controller will cost less and be far less maintainence. Then I'd just run the CMM off the batteries @ 24VDC. Thanks again Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gary Garrett Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 11:59 AM To:
[WISPA] Monmouth, Maine
Can anyone service 669 Cobbosseeconte Rd., Monmouth, ME? Thanks, Curtis WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Cordless VOIP Phone
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3905745CatId=1626SRCCODE=WEBBP1218cm_mmc=Email-_-Retro-_-WEBBP1218-_-storage Gary Garrett wrote: Nice! where can I get a 1 Watt Amp for 1900mhz? The only way I've gotten decent range out of a DECT phone is by drilling a hole in the back, and soldering a SMA pigtail to the PCB with an omni on the back ;-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Recommendations
Alvarion makes some decent outdoor antennas as well. --Curtis Marlon K. Schafer wrote: 8 dB Maxrad units. Good vertical coverage and they are easy to weather proof. Don't forget to order the mmk 8 mounts. I've cc'd Lee at Hutton/EC with this. Oh yeah, with the 8dB units make sure you don't go over 28dB on your tx output (I usually run about 17 on my systems) or you'll be over the 36dB legal limit for an AP. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 11:24 AM Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Recommendations I'm in need to replace some older Omni antennas, 2.4 and 5.8, to connect to a Mikrotik 600a. Running the R52H cards for both bands with a dish for the 5.8 backhaul.. I'm not in the mood to experiment with the unknown, any recommendations on what is working for you? And what doesn't! Land is flat, rural farmland, small scattering of trees. We're up 70 feet in this location. Thanks! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance
http://www.radiolabs.com/products/antennas/2.4gig/2.4-aluminum-parabolic.php If you've got to go 10 miles, then you need gain. From the website. *2.4 GHz 24db Directional Parabolic Grid WiFi Antenna* *The Directional High Gain WiFi Parabolic Grid* WiFi Antenna offers 24dBi gain at the connector and a tight 8 Degree beamwidth. The high gain wifi antenna is an aluminum die cast which is then powder coat painted for added environmental protection. Because of its grid design the antenna offers excellent wind loading characteristics. Michael Baird wrote: Marlon, Not sure what you are saying here. According to the vendors specificatons. Teletronics 15-124 - 19DB horizontal w/8 degree vertical beamwidth. Tranzeo TR-24H-120-16 - 16DB horizontal w/6 degree vertical beamwidth. Yes it is odd that the Teletronics claims a higher VB, but then again it, it cost a lot more and should be a better antenna, as I believe gain not only comes with narrowing coverage (sector width), but antenna design. Regards Michael Baird Gain only comes from narrowing coverage with antennas. If there are both 120* antennas you can't have HIGHER gain with GREATER coverage It takes half the coverage area go give you twice the power (3DB of gain). http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/antenna/how_to_pick_the_right_antenna.htm laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance Not ,the same downtilt angle, same percentage as the old one. The previous antenna was a Tranzeo 16db w/6 degree vertical, the Teletronics 19db has a 8 degree vertical actually larger VB then the 16db at 6. They are both at .3 degrees downtilt. The only reason I mention the VSWR is because the teletronics VSWR is 1.1:4, vs 1.5 on the Tranzeo. The Teletronics is down about 6db on the CPE side for all the clients on the test sector, on the AP side it's the same. I tested multiple tilt's as well, between 0-1 degree was the best on the CPE side. Regards Michael Baird First thing that comes to my mind reading your post is that you installed a higher gain antenna which means your vertical beam is going to be narrower (sometimes higher gain is not always better). Being that you installed the antenna with the same down tilt angle your missing the mark because you have a narrower vertical beam. As for the VSWR nothing really considered too low. If your VSWR is higher then 1.5:1 then you have a problem for sure. Personally never used or tested TT's 15-124 antenna but have sold a few of them with no complaints on it as far as I know. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 8:33 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Performance I picked up a Teletronics 15-124 19db horizontal antenna for testing and deployed it in place of a Tranzeo 16db Horizontal (TilTek?), using same pigtail and radio. With the clients on this sector, the AP side is the same, but the CPE receive side seems to have suffered with this larger antenna. Nothing was changed other then the antenna, aimed to the exact same degree, tilted the same percentage of vertical tilt, and so forth. I'm thinking the antenna isn't very good, or it's VSWR is too low and I'm getting some power reflected from the antenna. Anybody have experience with this antenna, or these scenarios? I expected this bigger, more expensive antenna to gain all across the board. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
