RE: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation

[Eric Rogers]

Jason,

I also ran into that, when I started building out my network.  The local
water company involved an outside company to find out a "fair" value for
the tanks might be.  They came back with a high number (in my opinion),
but stated that cell phone companies get charged more... I waited about
a year, and he randomly called me the other day.  I mentioned that if he
would have lowered his prices or been a bit flexible, I would have
signed earlier and he would have had 12 months of service and me on his
tanks.

When he called, I suggested coming over and hooking him up.  He agreed
and was MUCH more agreeable and I set the price 1/2 of what he had
originally heard from this outside company.

If you are wanting numbers, send it to the WISP forums, not the public
ones.

You can only charge what people are willing to pay.

Eric



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jason Hensley
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 5:00 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation

Thanks Cliff (and everyone else).

The local folks here have been told by someone they should not take less

than $1000 per month for someone to locate on their tower.  Needless to
say 
that puts a pretty big hit in the pocket book, and makes ROI pretty much

non-existent for small-town WISP's like myself (I'm in a town of rolling

hills and lots of big thick oak trees, population around 12,000).  So,
I'm 
working trying to find comparable figures for what others are paying and

have worked out, etc, just to show that most are not paying anywhere
near 
the $1000 per month for a water tower.  Other towers, yes, maybe, but
not 
water towers - at least not that I have found.






- Original Message - 
From: "Cliff Leboeuf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 3:25 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation


Jason,

Each deal is different. I had tried unsuccessfully to get access to the
water towers in my area for years.

Than, one day, the realized that I could offer them something...two way
IP communication to their equipment, and they could eliminate the 1FB's
and modem they were currently using.

I not charge them $30 per month for their 42 locations, and have rights
to all of their towers for AP's...Go figure!

- Cliff

>
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jason Hensley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 12:25 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation
>
>
>> I'm looking for comparisons again on water tower colocation.  Have
>> another area I'm trying to go into.  Looking for what you're paying,
if
>> anything, what you're trading out (speed, number of buildings /
>> connections, etc), etc etc.
>>
>> Specifically looking for folks in towns of under 20,000, but anything

>> will help.
>>
>> Thanks a lot in advance!!!
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[WISPA] HAM Proposals to FCC for Spread Spectrum

[Eric Rogers]

Guys,
 
I received a random e-mail from someone that I don't even know.  I thought was 
a phony e-mail (I will append the text below).  I am not one that tries to 
spread rumors or anything, but I went to the ARRL site, and with a quick search 
on 2.4, I found this article:  http://www.arrl.org/hsmm/project.html.
 
Now what I found doesn't state what the e-mail I recieved, but I thought it 
might be something that I should bring to everyone's attention.  There may be 
more out there.
 
Eric
 
- Email -
 
Hi,

The ARRL has proposed a change in regulating spread spectrum power output.  
This will dramatically affect users of 802.11b/g in the 2.4 GHz frequency 
range.  If you haven't already, please consider making your comments known on 
the FCC's ECFS http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/ecfs/ for RM-11325.  You only have a 
couple weeks.

Basically the proposal allows amateur radio operators to run powers of 100 
watts without automatic power control.  (Right now they can run up to 100 watts 
of power, but if they run anything over 1 watt the automatic power control 
kicks in and lowers or raises the power to use only what's required for the 
communication link)   By asking to have this requirement removed, it means that 
they can blanket an area by transmitting continuously at 100 watts without an 
automatic system to reduce power for near communications.   In the 2.4 GHz band 
it could obliterate wifi channels for miles.  This can directly impact your 
technical support department as well as future sales of products that use the 
2.4 GHz shared frequency region.  Whether your feelings are pro or con, please 
make your opinion known to the FCC using the link above.

Sincerely,

Keith DeLong


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RE: [WISPA] looking for a device

[Eric Rogers]

It is also referred as 802.1q tagging... If it supports multiple layers,
you can have a customer VLAN tags within your network VLAN tags.  Just
need your equipment that takes off your tags before it gets to the
customer.

AT&T uses the Cisco 3750 switches to do it at the customer's premises.
Then the customer can have VLAN 10 at one location and VLAN 10 at
another, and it is completely transparent to the end user.

If that made sense.

Eric

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Charles Wu
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 11:34 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] looking for a device

Google (or Cisco) is your friend

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/sw/iosswrel/ps5207/products_feature_
guid
e09186a00801f0f4a.html

-Charles

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 8:39 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] looking for a device


Can you or someone explain what double VLAN is? I have never heard of 
such a thing. How can it be used to help us?
Thanks,
Scriv

>
> Yo may want to look at Alvarion. Alvarion does support VLAN. new
> Firmware4 supports double VLAN also.
> Alvarion used to have one model that was designed to have a second 
> integrated radio into it.
> I can't remember if it was a 900/2.4 combo, or a 5.8/2.4 combo.
>
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RE: [WISPA] SpanAssassin

[Eric Rogers]

http://www.peregrinehw.com/downloads/

 

Eric

 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006
10:29 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] SpanAssassin



 

I am looking for a easy,
step-by-step guide to setup SpamAssassin on my Linux sendmail server. 
Google has not provided anything that gets me there.  Anyone have a link
to a good setup guide? 

Scott Reed 
Owner 
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Network Design, Installation and Administration 
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RE: [WISPA] Lightning hits

[Eric Rogers]

I had the same problem... Good grounding is the key.  Make sure all
brackets for the antenna's and the antenna's themselves are all grounded
well.  That helped me tremendously.

Eric Rogers


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 11:32 AM
To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization
Subject: [WISPA] Lightning hits

I have a Canopy 900 that is getting taken out from static.  Until I can 
get the right solution in place to prevent this, I have a question.  If 
I unplug the power from the radio when a storm is coming will the radio 
survive?  It is still in the air, but there is no power to it.  I am 
trying to save the RF side.  Will it work.

Brian
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RE: [WISPA] RouterBoard 532s

[Eric Rogers]

Does anyone know if there is a resolution on this issue?  If you browse
Mikrotik's site, the thread has been removed.

Eric


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Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 6:18 PM
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Here is a thread from the MT forums on it.

http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=9130

Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless


Mac Dearman wrote:

> Where did you get that info from Travis? Links, source...etc?
>
> Mac Dearman
>
>

>
> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

> *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 13, 2006 3:58 PM
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> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] RouterBoard 532s
>
> Maybe they pulled them off production due to the NOISE they are 
> blowing all over the 50-450Mhz spectrum. :(
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> Kelly Shaw wrote:
>
> Anyone know of a source with RouterBoard 532s in stock?
>
> I normally can get them from WispRouter but they won't respond to my 
> phone calls about them...
>
> Kelly Shaw
>
> Pure Internet
>
> www.pure.net 
>
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RE: [WISPA] Self Adhesive Mini PCB supports for Mikrotik

[Eric Rogers]

I myself use them at our tower sites at the bottom AND the top.  I had a
tower get struck, directly and lost everything...including the switch at
the location.  Since then, I figured 3mil volts can go through thin
cat5e jacketing.  Even through the shielding if it isn't properly
grounded.  Now I soldier the casings onto the crimp on ends when
possible so hopefully it will go to ground without hitting the copper
inside.  I use the Hyperlink surge protection, and the keystone jacks
are for shielded cabling, so it goes to ground.  The surge suppression
is just added protection.  Remember, electricity takes the least path of
resistance, when metal heats up, it becomes more resistant.  So that
bolt of lightning can go where it wants...

That said, I am giving the electricity 2 points to exit to ground, so
hopefully I don't lose any more equipment.

The tower is WELL grounded, it is an old AT&T sight, with the copper
mesh in the ground, and all buildings and towers have copper 5/8" or
larger going up the sides and cad welded to them and also to the grid
below ground.  LOTS of money... 

I don't at the CPE, just use the built-in surge suppression and
definitely ground the CPE for static.  I see it as if the house gets
struck by lightning; they have more to worry about than internet... Now
if a tower gets struck, I have hundreds down, not 1.

Eric Rogers



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 12:00 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Self Adhesive Mini PCB supports for Mikrotik

Do you find that a surge supressor at the CPE is better then at the 
internal PC/Router/Switch? Or do
you use one at each end?

Jeromie


Harold Bledsoe wrote:

>I can answer some of these...
>
>It looks like a Zinwell B191 RTL8181 with a Citel indoor surge
>protector.
>
>-Hal
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves
>Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 9:24 PM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Self Adhesive Mini PCB supports for Mikrotik
>
>Looks good. What radio are you using with what looks to be a Realtek 
>SoC? Is that
>a PoE splitter, a surge supressor, or both? How long is that RF
pigtail?
>
>Jeromie
>
>Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I take a self tapper and run it out the bottom of my metal box, attach
>>
>>
>
>  
>
>>a #12 piggy tail, and attach the other end through a hole on the 
>>board.  Kind of like the attached pic.  Should work, eh?
>>
>>Brian
>>
>>Harold Bledsoe wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>One word to the wise on these:  many PCBs are grounded through the 
>>>screw holes.  If you are using plastic standoffs, you may want to 
>>>consider grounding the board some other way...
>>>
>>>-Hal
>>>
>>>--
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>>>Deliberant Wireless
>>>http://www.deliberant.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Mark Nash
>>>Sent: Fri 8/25/2006 1:04 PM
>>>To: WISPA General List
>>>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Self Adhesive Mini PCB supports for Mikrotik
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I'll take some... Catch me offlist.
>>>
>>>Mark
>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: Brian Rohrbacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 11:21:57
>>>To:Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization 
>>>,   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>Subject: [WISPA] Self Adhesive Mini PCB supports for Mikrotik
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>https://secure.microplastics.com/detail.asp?part=minilockpcbsupport&fam
=
>cbhardware 
>  
>
>>>They have them in stock now.  I remember there was some talk about
>>>  
>>>
>these
>  
>
>>>a while ago.
>>>$50 min order so I just got 400 or so of the self adhesive PCB
>>>  
>>>
>supports.
>  
>
>>>I got the 5/8 standoff (should be able to fit the cards under the 
>>>board too)
>>>
>>>I don't need 400, so if anyone wants a few, let me know.
>>>
>>>Otherwise, just letting ya'll know they are in stock.
>>>
>>>www.microplastics.com
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RE: [WISPA] Self Adhesive Mini PCB supports for Mikrotik

[Eric Rogers]

Connectors I use 010-108 from www.cablesforless.com
https://www.cablesforless.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=794.


I buy a lot of patch cables and things from them because they are fairly
cheap and they are local (2 miles away).  I try and promote local
business when I can.

I get the cable from www.cat5ecableguy.com.  Two different part
numbers... http://www.cat5cableguy.com/inc/sdetail/12771 or
http://www.cat5cableguy.com/inc/sdetail/12770.

Eric

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ken Chipps
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 2:56 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Self Adhesive Mini PCB supports for Mikrotik

What brand and part number cable and connectors do you use for the CAT5E
cable?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Eric Rogers
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 1:36 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Self Adhesive Mini PCB supports for Mikrotik

I myself use them at our tower sites at the bottom AND the top.  I had a
tower get struck, directly and lost everything...including the switch at
the location.  Since then, I figured 3mil volts can go through thin
cat5e jacketing.  Even through the shielding if it isn't properly
grounded.  Now I soldier the casings onto the crimp on ends when
possible so hopefully it will go to ground without hitting the copper
inside.  I use the Hyperlink surge protection, and the keystone jacks
are for shielded cabling, so it goes to ground.  The surge suppression
is just added protection.  Remember, electricity takes the least path of
resistance, when metal heats up, it becomes more resistant.  So that
bolt of lightning can go where it wants...

That said, I am giving the electricity 2 points to exit to ground, so
hopefully I don't lose any more equipment.

The tower is WELL grounded, it is an old AT&T sight, with the copper
mesh in the ground, and all buildings and towers have copper 5/8" or
larger going up the sides and cad welded to them and also to the grid
below ground.  LOTS of money... 

I don't at the CPE, just use the built-in surge suppression and
definitely ground the CPE for static.  I see it as if the house gets
struck by lightning; they have more to worry about than internet... Now
if a tower gets struck, I have hundreds down, not 1.

Eric Rogers



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 12:00 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Self Adhesive Mini PCB supports for Mikrotik

Do you find that a surge supressor at the CPE is better then at the 
internal PC/Router/Switch? Or do
you use one at each end?

Jeromie


Harold Bledsoe wrote:

>I can answer some of these...
>
>It looks like a Zinwell B191 RTL8181 with a Citel indoor surge
>protector.
>
>-Hal
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves
>Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 9:24 PM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Self Adhesive Mini PCB supports for Mikrotik
>
>Looks good. What radio are you using with what looks to be a Realtek 
>SoC? Is that
>a PoE splitter, a surge supressor, or both? How long is that RF
pigtail?
>
>Jeromie
>
>Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I take a self tapper and run it out the bottom of my metal box, attach
>>
>>
>
>  
>
>>a #12 piggy tail, and attach the other end through a hole on the 
>>board.  Kind of like the attached pic.  Should work, eh?
>>
>>Brian
>>
>>Harold Bledsoe wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>One word to the wise on these:  many PCBs are grounded through the 
>>>screw holes.  If you are using plastic standoffs, you may want to 
>>>consider grounding the board some other way...
>>>
>>>-Hal
>>>
>>>--
>>>Harold Bledsoe
>>>Deliberant Wireless
>>>http://www.deliberant.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Mark Nash
>>>Sent: Fri 8/25/2006 1:04 PM
>>>To: WISPA General List
>>>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Self Adhesive Mini PCB supports for Mikrotik
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I'll take some... Catch me offlist.
>>>
>>>Mark
>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: Brian Rohrbacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 11:21:57
>>>To:Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization 
>>>,   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>Subject: [WISPA] Self Adhesive Mini PCB supports for Mikrotik
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>

RE: [WISPA] Self Adhesive Mini PCB supports for Mikrotik

[Eric Rogers]

I was just referring to the shielding by
bonding it to the cat5 crimp on ends, not soldiering them to the tower or
grounding materials.  There is only a friction bond between the cat5 end
and the grounded casing of the surge arrestor.  I would think the friction
bond would have more resistance in a strike, causing it to heat up faster than
the resistance of the soldier.

 

Again, with millions of volts, I don’t
think the Cat5 cable would hold it as well.  The key to the whole system
is the grounding to the tower site itself.  In this case, there are 3 runs
of 5/8” or larger copper running from the grounding grid to the very top
of the tower and 2 cad welded to the tower base and the grounding grid.  Hopefully
the lightning will choose the path of the copper or tower, and not my run of
cat5.  The shielding and soldier is only to dissipate static buildup and
keep the potential voltages as close to equal as I can.

 

My thoughts are that if the antenna’s
and equipment at the top are grounded to the tower, the equipment at the bottom,
and all the surge suppression for the cat5 and coax runs are all grounded to
the same ground plane, the potential voltage difference between any one
location should be near 0, and there should be no need for it to travel up/down
my cat5 run.

 

Hopefully it will never need to go through
my soldier joint or the pressure of the spring steel in the surge
suppression.  :)

 

Eric 

 

 









From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Scott Reed
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 5:07
PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Self Adhesive
Mini PCB supports for Mikrotik



 

I believe that solder is probably not a good idea here.  Lightning
can build enough heat to melt the solder and thus break the connection.  I
think all ground connections need to be physical connections to provide the
best protection. 

Otherwise, this looks like a good method. 

There are several devices designed to give mechanical and electrical connection
to shields, etc. 

Scott Reed 
Owner 
NewWays 
Wireless Networking 
Network Design, Installation and Administration 
www.nwwnet.net 


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From: "Eric Rogers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 14:36:16 -0400 
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Self Adhesive Mini PCB supports for Mikrotik 

> I myself use them at our tower sites at the bottom AND the top.  I
had a 
> tower get struck, directly and lost everything...including the switch at 
> the location.  Since then, I figured 3mil volts can go through thin 
> cat5e jacketing.  Even through the shielding if it isn't properly 
> grounded.  Now I soldier the casings onto the crimp on ends when 
> possible so hopefully it will go to ground without hitting the copper 
> inside.  I use the Hyperlink surge protection, and the keystone jacks

> are for shielded cabling, so it goes to ground.  The surge
suppression 
> is just added protection.  Remember, electricity takes the least path
of 
> resistance, when metal heats up, it becomes more resistant.  So that 
> bolt of lightning can go where it wants... 
> 
> That said, I am giving the electricity 2 points to exit to ground, so 
> hopefully I don't lose any more equipment. 
> 
> The tower is WELL grounded, it is an old AT&T sight, with the copper 
> mesh in the ground, and all buildings and towers have copper 5/8" or 
> larger going up the sides and cad welded to them and also to the grid 
> below ground.  LOTS of money... 
> 
> I don't at the CPE, just use the built-in surge suppression and 
> definitely ground the CPE for static.  I see it as if the house gets 
> struck by lightning; they have more to worry about than internet... Now 
> if a tower gets struck, I have hundreds down, not 1. 
> 
> Eric Rogers 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves 
> Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 12:00 PM 
> To: WISPA General List 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Self Adhesive Mini PCB supports for Mikrotik 
> 
> Do you find that a surge supressor at the CPE is better then at the 
> internal PC/Router/Switch? Or do 
> you use one at each end? 
> 
> Jeromie 
> 
> Harold Bledsoe wrote: 
> 
> >I can answer some of these... 
> > 
> >It looks like a Zinwell B191 RTL8181 with a Citel indoor surge 
> >protector. 
> > 
> >-Hal 
> > 
> >-Original Message- 
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 
> >Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves 
> >Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 9:24 PM 
> >To: WISPA General List 
> >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Self Adhesive Mini PCB supports for Mikrotik 
> > 
> >Looks good. What radio are you using with 

RE: [WISPA] MT Babble

[Eric Rogers]

A good read:  http://www.arrl.org/tis/info/part15.html.  Specifically,
look at "Declaration of Conformity (DoC)" under "Equipment Authorization
Procedures and Information."

The bottoms of 2 of my nearby laptops (HP and Dell) have a FCC logo and
list a FCC registration number.  That, with the fact that the Netgear
PCI also complies with the FCC part 15 rules (no external antennas) the
combination is allowed.  Most of the internal cards that come with
laptops are put together as a complete system, and DELL, HP, Gateway are
all assuming the responsibility that their complete system will not
exceed FCC limits.  If you look at
http://www.fcc.gov/oet/ea/Labelling_Guidelines_Parts_15_and_18.pdf on
page 3 of 4, it states..."Devices authorized under the DoC procedure
must also include a compliance information statement as required."  Now
here is the killer statement, "The main objective of this compliance
statement is to allow the FCC to associate the equipment with the party
responsible for compliance with the DoC requirements."

There are two possibilities.  First, what some have been saying is that
IF someone (like ADI) says X, Y, and Z parts are used, and assembled
this way; AND gets approved by the FCC as a system, then they can sell
the rights as long as you follow their same procedures.  You then are
compliant, but only if you follow their tested procedures, but you need
to follow the DoC procedure, and you also become liable.

Second is if we (WISPA, independent ISPs, or hopefully Manufacturers)
get a few SBCs tested as a Part 15 B device (un-intentional radiator)
and get a couple mPCI cards tested with high-gain antennas (as a
system).  Then we (those that are testing) can certify the system.

The bottom line, the DoC specifies who is liable.  So those that are
assembling those systems have to mimic the procedures of an approved
system that someone will take responsibility for.  No one has stepped to
the plate and gotten a system approved and offered it to the general
public.  ADI is the first that I have seen that may be doing that.

Eric Rogers
Precision Data Solutions, LLC
(317) 831-3000 x200


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 9:17 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble

Then why can I purchase a Netgear PCI card for my Dell desktop?


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message - 
From: "Dawn DiPietro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble


> Mike,
>
> That post was looking for clarification on whether or not it was
possible 
> it would make this legal without going through system certification as
an 
> intentional radiator. Since the FCC wording can be mind boggling
sometimes 
> there is confusion. In other words you cannot take certified parts and
use 
> them together and expect to be legal no matter how anyone tries to
justify 
> it. I am glad to see that you do understand. ;-)
>
> Regards,
> Dawn DiPietro
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Mike Hammett wrote:
>> I understood that was the way it was until perhaps yesterday when
someone 
>> brought up the issue of PC's with add in wireless cards being in no
way 
>> different than what we do.
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Dawn DiPietro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 7:09 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
>>
>>
>>> Mike,
>>>
>>> What Marlon said IS NOT OPINION. The only way you can be legal is to

>>> certify a system as a whole. You might want to take a look at the
ADI 
>>> link I posted and maybe this will help you understand what is
required 
>>> to become certified. You must have all the components certified 
>>> together.
>>>
>>> Is it that I keep misunderstanding what you are trying to say? But I

>>> feel like this has been discussed before in no uncertain terms.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dawn DiPietro
>>>
>>> Mike Hammett wrote:
>>>> So you're saying (in your opinion, not necessarily any bearing on
what 
>>>> the FCC actually requires) when we have certified SBCs, we'd be
able to 
>>>> go that route?  Those that are running a certified radio with no
amp 
>>>> (who uses that garbage anymore) into an antenna with equal or lower

>>>> gain on a PC based system run a good chance of being legal?
>>>>
>>

RE: [WISPA] 36" guyed tower

[Eric Rogers]

Not to be direct, but I would much rather rescue someone on the outside
of a tower if the situation came about.  It is much easier to keep them
away from grabbing things when they are semi-consious if you are
outside.  It may be easier to rest when on the inside on a climb, but if
you have a saddle and some sort of tie-off, the outside is just as
comfortable.

Eric

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jenco Wireless
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 3:10 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 36" guyed tower

I always tie off, even on the inside.  It is just so easy to climb on
the
inside.  The 36" size is perfect because I can just lean back when I
need a
break.  This particular tower has a lot of horizontal bars and
everything is
round and welded - nothing to really catch on.  It's like it was
designed
for easy climbing.


Thanks,

Brad H


On 7/29/07, Jim Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Rohn makes a lot of 36"guyed towers.
>
> Is the safety climb installed inside the tower? That's unusual.
>
> Be sure you use the safety climb system or other means to remain
100%tied
> off or high a professional tower crew to do the work.
>
> Staying tied off might cost you some teeth if you fell but you won't
go
> home
> dead.
>
> Jim Bennett
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 317-222-1329
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jenco Wireless [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 9:43 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] 36" guyed tower
>
> >
> > I have equipment on a 500' tower.  The legs are spaced 36 inches
apart
> and
> > it is really, really easy to climb up the inside (I am a little
> vertically
> > challenged when it comes to height :-).  I can't figure out who made
it.
> > Anyone have any insight on what manufacturer(s) makes
> "easy-to-climb-inside"
> > towers?
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brad H
>
>


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RE: [WISPA] Anyone sell/setup webcams with their wireless service?Modbus?

[Eric Rogers]

Look at the APC EMU.  They are like $250 or so, and has inputs for
open/closed circuits and outputs for relays.

Eric

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 7:49 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone sell/setup webcams with their wireless
service?Modbus?

> along the same lines, I am not sure what your climate is like but:
> http://www.qasupplies.com/temptrax.html
> (think frozen pipes)

Speaking of I/O monitoring.  Does anyone know of an inexpensive
ethernet I/O adaptor that supports modbus for monitoring sites?

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RE: [WISPA] ip kvm references

[Eric Rogers]

When I was working at a major hospital, they re-designed all Main Data
Facilities (MDFs) with keypad server racks (remotely unlockable) and put
Raritan KVM switches in.  They integrated them with the MS Active
Directory schema so they could allow different groups access to specific
servers and also allow them into cages.  They worked great from what I
saw.  Fairly pricey too...

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Subject: RE: [WISPA] ip kvm references

Hey folks,


  I am looking for some comments on IP KVM switches. The good, the bad,
the
ugly would be fine. Preferred models and brands would be great if you
have
some experience with them would be particularly helpful. I am looking
for a
minimum 12 port, but 16 ports would be real nice and leave me a little
room.


Any comments are welcomed :)

Thanks
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RE: [WISPA] Ubiquiti PS2 -- > StarOS v3

[Eric Rogers]

Before I get slammed with reply's; CORRECTION:  Both StarOS and Mikrotik
have competing hardware to UBNT.

Sorry, I know Mikrotik has put a lot of money in the 133c boards and
they don't want to open it to other hardware that competes.  I don't
know about Lonnie, and mean no dis-respect.  I don't know if the WAR
platform or anything Lonnie is releasing is actually produced by/for
him.  I am assuming he uses existing hardware... (ASS-U-ME)

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Behalf Of Eric Rogers
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 10:54 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Ubiquiti PS2 -- > StarOS v3

That is funny that both Mikrotik and StarOS are walking from UBNT.  If I
remember correctly, it was the amount of storage on the board that they
had issues with.  Mikrotik has a little more motive because they are
selling competing hardware.

Eric Rogers
Precision Data Solutions, LLC
(317) 831-3000 x200


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Wallace L. Walcher
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 5:29 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Ubiquiti PS2 -- > StarOS v3

That is true.  They were originally going to support the LS2 (the radio
inside the PS2) but later backed away from that.  I believe there was an
issue with the hardware. They needed UBNT to make a change in order to
support it.

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Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 1:11 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti PS2 -- > StarOS v3

I have heard that this unit does not run StarOS v3.  Can anyone confirm
or
disprove this?

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RE: [WISPA] Ubiquiti PS2 -- > StarOS v3

[Eric Rogers]

That is funny that both Mikrotik and StarOS are walking from UBNT.  If I
remember correctly, it was the amount of storage on the board that they
had issues with.  Mikrotik has a little more motive because they are
selling competing hardware.

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Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 5:29 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Ubiquiti PS2 -- > StarOS v3

That is true.  They were originally going to support the LS2 (the radio
inside the PS2) but later backed away from that.  I believe there was an
issue with the hardware. They needed UBNT to make a change in order to
support it.

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Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 1:11 PM
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I have heard that this unit does not run StarOS v3.  Can anyone confirm
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RE: [WISPA] Vuze / Comcast / Peer to Peer / FCC

[Eric Rogers]

Does your 900 AP have a public IP?  There is a known issue with HTTP
requests locking up the units.  I have mine with private IPs and
firewalled off so only we can get to them.  We don't have any lockup
issues with Motorola APs.

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Nope. I have it with Moto 900 Mhz AP's. Will completely lock it down to
where it takes a minute or longer just to access it by telnet to reboot
it. I can login to Mikrotik and kill all P2P connections and immediately
access the 900 Mhz AP after the connections clear.

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Date:  Fri, 23 Nov 2007 09:32:49 -0600 (CST)

>On Fri, 23 Nov 2007, Clint Ricker wrote:
>
>>Just out of curiousity, all of you who have AP problems because of 
>>bit torrent: what APs are you using?
>
>It is anything that is 802.11 based (A, B or G) that would have 
>trouble with this.  Any polled system would not have this issue.
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RE: [WISPA] OT: Asterisk

[Eric Rogers]

Clint,

Speaking of SIP gateways...do you have any that you recommend?  I use
the Grandstream GXW4104, and it is fairly cheap.  I know there has to be
a good one out there.  I have issues with it hanging up calls randomly
(especially if I am on hold), echo cancellation, and several other
little quirks.  Definitely not something that you would want to put in a
non-technical environment, completely un-managed.  With us, we are IT
guys so it gets us by; but if I would deploy this to a customer...NO
WAY!!!

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Behalf Of Clint Ricker
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 8:19 AM
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I'd recommend actually just getting an external SIP ATA for starters
(basically the same idea, but in an external network device that you
connect
to over the LAN via SIP.  Asterisk can be quite randomly finicky about
hardware sometimes and there's a lot of motherboard chipsets out there
that
Asterisk does not deal well with.  This usually manifests itself in
terms of
lockups when dealing with POTS or TDM cards...

Also, POTS cards are pretty worthless to you if you aren't doing
Asterisk; a
SIP ATA can be useful elsewhere.

On Nov 21, 2007 10:41 PM, Adam Kennedy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Must be inflation :P
>
>
> Jonathan Schmidt wrote:
> > Well, Adam, you weren't far off.  The "Buy it now" eBay 1-FXO PCI
card
> > prices are around $20 and I've gotten auctions for just over $10 per
> card so
> > I accepted your $8 as the price of winning a fortuitous auction.
> >
> > Reputable stores have it typically for a bit more, around $29.  It's
all
> in
> > the noise.
> >
> > . . . j o n a t h a n
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > Behalf Of Adam Kennedy
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 3:51 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Asterisk
> >
> > I'm sorry, I mixed up the terminology while typing. The $8 cards on
eBay
> > are regular POTS.
> >
> >
> > Scottie Arnett wrote:
> >> Thanks Adam. FXO is foreign exchange, correct? At the office, I
only
> have
> >> regular POTS lines. Will something work with them, or do I have to
have
> > FXO
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Re: [WISPA] Cell Company Towers

[Eric Rogers]

Back when it was Cingular, I tried getting on a tower they own.  They
wanted $1600/mo and an engineering study done (usually $2500 or so).  I
just talked to the land owner, and he let me build a tower on equally
high ground and I am spending WAY less than $1600/mo and I OWN the tower
for co-locating.  If you go with the tower management company, I bet you
could get it quite a bit less.

I DO know that another tower owner that rents to me at $1/ft on his
towers, and according to SBA, they manage his tower.  They wanted over
$400/mo (almost $2/ft) next to a town about 400 people...

The bottom line is that you might do some research before you make any
decisions.  You might find another deal you didn't know existed.

Eric Rogers
Precision Data Solutions, LLC
(317) 831-3000 x200


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 8:30 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Cell Company Towers

Has anyone worked with a cell company for collocation on THEIR towers?
IE:  AT&T, T-Mobile, US Cellular, etc.  Not interested in hearing about
American Tower, GTP, etc.


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[Eric Rogers]

Is this list dead?  I haven't received an email since 6/18. 

 

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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Phones

[Eric Rogers]

Maybe they didn't pay their phone bill... if you need support, try
emailing them at supp...@tranzeo.com

 

Eric

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of ~NGL~
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 12:16 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo Phones

 

Any idea why Tranzeo phones are not working?

I am trying to use the 800 Support Number,

NGL

 

If you can read this Thank A Teacher.
And if it's in English Thank A Soldier!

 

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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Phones

[Eric Rogers]

If you call the 604 460 6002 number, it should work.

 

Eric

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of ~NGL~
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 12:16 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo Phones

 

Any idea why Tranzeo phones are not working?

I am trying to use the 800 Support Number,

NGL

 

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Re: [WISPA] Referencing the earlier L & I TelecommununicationsLicensing Discussions

[Eric Rogers]

First off... why are you reading the law?  Has someone pointed you to
it, saying you are breaking the law?

 

Based on my observation, and my legal disclaimer... "I am not a lawyer,
and I don't even play one on TV."

 

This is low voltage line, there is no line voltage at 110AC or above.
This is 24V DC with 300mA output.  Also, you are not
"Telecommunications" by the FCC definition.

 

Do you have a lawyer you can consult?  I would start there...

 

Eric

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Clint Bridges at GCPowerNet
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 2:49 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Cc: 1 - Clint Bridges
Subject: [WISPA] Referencing the earlier L & I
TelecommununicationsLicensing Discussions

 

Reading the Washington State WACS

Page 80 of 118

WAC 296-46B-925 Electrical/telecommunications contractor's license

 

Things that puzzle me are items (10) and (12) below. 

 

If a WISP firm installs and maintains ownership and responsibility for
the radio, cabling and POE adapter and power supply all the way  to the
customer's Internet router or personal computer, where would the demark
point be? Would it not be at the point where the CAT 5 cabling from the
POE LAN side connects into the customer-owned equipment and thereby
qualify under item (12) and eliminate the need for an 09 license? 

 

If the WISP uses an all-in-one, UL approved and licensed POE unit where
the power supply and the POE are built together as one unit, example:
Ubiquity, then wouldn't that qualify under item (10) and eliminate the
need for an 06 low-voltage administrator's license and an 06 low-voltage
journeyman electrical license, required to install and connect a POE
device to a Cat 5 cable? 

 

I wrote to the L&I people in September for a clarification on this but
they simply came back citing Chapter 19.28 of the RCWs saying that to
install Cat5 one had to have an 09 Administrator for the company and to
install a POE adapter one had to have an 06 Administrator for the
company and all POE installations had to be done by a licensed
journeyman. This entire thing is frustrating to me and confusing,
because it appears that the laws are at odds with each other and are
very unclear on this subject, and that the people in Olympia can simply
rule it however they wish to their own advantage.

 

Can anyone here clarify the differences between the WACS and the RCWs
and how they relate or interact? Does one trump the other?

To be the WACS look like the standards on how to install, administer the
laws contained within the RCWs. But if the WACS state that something
does not fall under the requirements or are not legislated by the RCWs
then does that mean we can go by what the WACs say to the exclusion of
the RCWs, in this case the items (10) and (12)?

 

 

 

 

Clint Bridges

Moses Lake, WA

 

 

Electrical/telecommunications contractor exemptions.


 (8) The following types of systems and circuits are considered
exempt from the requirements for licensing and permitting described in
chapter 19.28   RCW.
The electrical failure of these systems does not inherently or
functionally compromise safety to life or property.

 Low-voltage thermocouple derived circuits and low-voltage circuits
for:

 (a) Built-in residential vacuum systems;

 (b) Underground landscape sprinkler systems;

 (c) Underground landscape lighting; and

 (d) Residential garage doors.

 For these types of systems and circuits to be considered exempt,
the following conditions must be met:

 (e) The power supplying the installation must be derived from a
listed Class 2 power supply;

 (f) The installation and termination of line voltage equipment and
conductors supplying these systems is performed by appropriately
licensed and certified electrical contractors and electricians;

 (g) The conductors of these systems do not pass through fire-rated
walls, fire-rated ceilings or fire-rated floors in other than
residential units; and

 (h) Conductors or luminaires are not installed in installations
covered by the scope of Article 680 NEC (swimming pools, fountains, and
similar installations).

 (9) Firms who clean and/or replace lamps in luminaires are not
included in the requirements for licensing in chapter 19.28
  RCW. This
exemption does not apply to electric signs as defined in the NEC.

 (10) Firms who install listed plug and cord connected utilization
equipment are not included in the requirements for licensing in chapter
19.28   RCW. The
plug and cord must be a single listed unit consisting of a molded plug
and cord and not exceeding 250 volt 60 ampere single phase. The plug and
cord can be field installed per the manufacturer's instructions and the
product listing requirements. The utilization equipment must be a single
m

Re: [WISPA] Level3 Explosion?

[Eric Rogers]

We had "emergency" maint from Level3 at 05:00 GMT to 10:00 GMT, but
expected outage was 30 min.

 

I didn't get up to see if we were flapping, but we expected it.

 

Eric

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2013 11:04 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Level3 Explosion?

 

I was told yesterday at about 3:30pm EST that they were going to have
scheduled "emergency" maintenance.
We saw the BGP session flap. NANOG had a few words about it too.

Nick Olsen
Network Operations 

(855) FLSPEED  x106

  

 



From: "Matt Hoppes" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 7:05 AM
To: "WISPA General List" , "memb...@wispa.org"

Subject: [WISPA] Level3 Explosion?

Did anyone else see an explosion on the Level3 network this morning? 
They've been up and down all morning since around 2:30 eastern time... 
just recovered recently.
-- 

Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312
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Re: [WISPA] Video of Tower work from Quadcopter

[Eric Rogers]

I have heard that you are welcome to fly it as a private citizen, but if it is 
for commercial, you MUST have a pilot's license.  I think it is a great idea to 
do tower inspections/surveys but I think the laws need to catch up with the 
technology.

 

Eric Rogers

Precision Data Solutions, LLC

(317) 831-3000 x200

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Clay Stewart
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2014 2:51 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Video of Tower work from Quadcopter

 

Same here. Is it worth spending 1k-1.5k, or will a 500-600 model work for site 
survey jobs? What models

On Jan 18, 2014 2:11 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

I've been thinking about getting a <$1k quadcopter. Are you happy with the PV2? 
I'm looking at once to survey rooftops, both the roof itself and from the roof. 
Tis a lot easier to just fly one of those up than wait for management to figure 
out a schedule.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 



From: "Gino Villarini" 
To: "WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.org)" 
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 6:52:04 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Video of Tower work from Quadcopter

Snip Shot from Phantom Vision 2

 

http://youtu.be/FwavCd5ffHI

 

More to come

 

 

Gino A. Villarini

g...@aeronetpr.com

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

787.273.4143


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Re: [WISPA] WAN Optimization products for Medical Imaging / Radiology ?

[Eric Rogers]

Gino,

 

Can you be more specific?  I came from a regional hospital chain, and
they did everything from their downtown Data Center, and all hospitals
had gig connectivity.  Even the bar-code readers had serial to Ethernet
extenders, so even the serial scanners were IP to the servers.

 

Eric Rogers

Precision Data Solutions, LLC

(317) 831-3000 x200

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 11:16 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] WAN Optimization products for Medical Imaging /
Radiology ?

 

Anyone has any experiece with products for this application?

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Re: [WISPA] Cable Testers

[Eric Rogers]

We use the Fluke Microscanner2 as it will allow PoE and will test
without the other end being on.  You can see cable length, PoE, and if
there is a switch/Ethernet at the other end.

 

Eric Rogers

Precision Data Solutions, LLC

(317) 831-3000 x200

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mark Spring
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 10:49 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Cable Testers

 

can anybody make any recommendations for cat5/cable testers they have
had good luck with? We had good luck with the testum(jdsu) testers but
apparently they were discontinued. We are looking at the micromapper
from fluke but something with a little more detail might help. Fluke
makes bigger brothers to the micromapper but they are a little more than
economical. 

Thanks,



Mark Spring
Systems Analyst

New Knoxville Telephone Company
301 W. South St.
New Knoxville, OH 45871
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[WISPA] Unusually High Scans/Invalid Login

[Eric Rogers]

Does anyone see any unusually high amount of scans or login attempts
going on your network?  We are being alerted from Fail2Ban that MANY IPs
are trying to brute force our systems.  They are mainly RIPE or LACNIC.
We ban them for 20 minutes, and we have hundreds of attempts since 11:00
PM EST.  Normally we see one or two per night... but this is 1000%+
more.

 

It could be we are being targeted, but it just seems unusually high.

 

Eric Rogers

Precision Data Solutions, LLC

(317) 831-3000 x200

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Re: [WISPA] Rugged Fiber Jumpers for Tower Install

[Eric Rogers]

http://www.fiberstore.com/news/fiberstore-releases-tactical-fiber-optic-
cable-for-military-harsh-environment-applications-a-542.html

 

http://www.molexpn.com/Products/Products-list/91-BPxxxOM3-HH-Industrial-
LC-Fibre-Patch-Cord-OFNP-TB-12-144-OM3-Custom-Build.html

 

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chris Fabien
Sent: Monday, March 3, 2014 11:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Rugged Fiber Jumpers for Tower Install

 

We are doing a tower install where we will run a 12ct fiber from base
cabinet to a cabinet at top. I need a rugged patch cable to connect from
the SFP in the radio to the cabinet, armored and a UV stable jacket seem
necessary. Not finding much by google searching. Any suggestions? 

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Re: [WISPA] Motel WiFi Authentication

[Eric Rogers]

We use Mikrotik to create a VPN tunnel for our management of our equipment, and 
we keep our UNIFI server on a hosted instance in our DC.  It allows us to 
update APs and we get the alerts when something drops off and prevents us from 
having to use NAT or provide a public IP for each AP for management.  Using VPN 
also allows us to put in other devices (mFI, Cameras, Etc.) onsite without any 
infrastructure changes.

 

If you have multiple sites, you can carve out an instance within Unifi, and 
give access to the local location, but your account has access to all sites.

 

Eric Rogers

Precision Data Solutions, LLC

(317) 831-3000 x200

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Sam Tetherow
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 10:13 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Motel WiFi Authentication

 

We run the unifi server in the office.  The only requirement is the unifi units 
need to be able to connect to the unifi controller on port 8080, you will also 
need 8880 and 8843 if using the portal redirect.  So even if the controller is 
behind a NAT you can set up a port forwards.

While I haven't set up the AWS controller, those that I have talked to said it 
was dead simple using the steps on the wiki, even from people who aren't system 
administrators.

If the staff is willing to do the vouchers they are pretty simple.  You just 
create a bunch ahead of time, print out the codes and they can hand them out as 
needed.  Every place I have wanted to use it the staff didn't want to mess 
around with it so they just change the WPA2 key every month.

On 03/26/2014 08:50 AM, Mark Spring wrote:

Heith,

Do you run those back to your server over a vpn on the tik or is it all 
just local? I am planning on doing some unifi work in the near future and I'm 
just curious what others have run into when the unifi is not on your network. 
My knowledge of unifi is almost none, just trying to come up with some 
scenarios that would work best. It seems like others are confirming what I 
think you would run into, the unifi server just won't play that well on site 
for most installs.

Thanks for your feedback!




Mark Spring
Systems Analyst

New Knoxville Telephone Company
301 W. South St.
New Knoxville, OH 45871
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On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 9:47 AM,  wrote:

Yeah, I run a UniFi server at my office to drive the 3 HotSpot pay per 
use
camp grounds we have and operate, but they are all driven from Mikrotik
routers on site. I suppose we could run something here, but allocating 
its
own server or virtual server locally could be beyond me. I bought a few
slots on amazon aws before, just never dug into it too deeply yet

heith


-Original Message-
From: Stuart Pierce
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 6:51 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Motel WiFi Authentication


I've got Tik hotspots set up at a few towers and have setup usermanager 
for
a retirement community. You definitely have more control with a Tik box 
but
using Unifi with vouchers would be far easier.

You can still host the Unifi server at your place if they do not keep a
computer running and they can print out vouchers ahead of time or at the
time.

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From: 
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Date:  Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:11:44 -0500

>Thanks!
>
>From: Bryce Duchcherer
>Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 2:34 PM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Motel WiFi Authentication
>
>I did a hotel a few months ago using UniFi and MikroTik.
>
>We are running Hotspot service on the MikroTik (RB1100AHx2) and
>UserManager.
>
>For user account creation I put in a HotSpot printer from Technologic. 
It
>uses API to create user accounts in UserManager so it is very easy for
>clerks to be able to create users for guests. You can set limits for 
days,
>speed, data transfer, etc.
>
>It’s not cheap, and not the easiest to set up but

[WISPA] Skybeam Mentioned in DIGG article link

[Eric Rogers]

http://www.feld.com/wp/archives/2014/05/dear-internet-lets-demo-slow-lan
e.html

 

They were trying to explain what the "slow lane" could look like in the
future for the web... but LIKE that a WISP was faster than all his home
options, except Comcast 75M and Google Fiber at 800M...

 

Good job, and hopefully you guys get good recognition out of this.

 

Eric Rogers

Precision Data Solutions, LLC

(317) 831-3000 x200

 

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Re: [WISPA] Small IP PBX - Grandstream UCM

[Eric Rogers]

Our consulting firm put one in at a lawyer’s office, to replace an OLD Nortel 
system.  They wanted the simple ability to have an inbound call ring all 
phones, but if it times out after 3 rings, goto an IVR.  We have been doing 
this for a long time with FreePBX, but it is limited with GS.

 

The other bad thing about GS is there are SEVERAL bad bugs that done in a 
certain order, will deem the phone system unsuable… and you cannot restore from 
backup, you have to build it back from scratch.

 

Eric Rogers

Precision Data Solutions, LLC

(317) 831-3000 x200

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Darin Steffl
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 12:28 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small IP PBX - Grandstream UCM

 

I put it in for a 12 extension small business and it's working great. Lots of 
firmware updates and new features being added every month or so. They're 
actively developing the platform which is nice. It's cost effective and free 
updates. 

Pair this with flowroute for your sip trunks and you have a solid solution. We 
used yealink for the phones but the grandstream phones should work great too 
and have auto provisioning then. 

On May 13, 2014 10:40 PM, "Chris Fabien"  wrote:

Anyone tried out this Grandstream IP PBX? Looking for a low cost option we can 
use for small businesses with 4-8 phones. Also need to redo our office phones 
so I have a nice chance to try out a new product before selling one to a 
customer. Any suggestions other than the grandstream are welcome too. 


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Re: [WISPA] Justin Wilson?

[Eric Rogers]

+1

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Jeff Broadwick
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 10:30 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Justin Wilson?

 

I’ve known Justin for over 10 years, and he’s done work for me and my companies 
a number of times.  I’ve never been disappointed.  

 

I know that he’s just completed a significant life and professional event in 
his life.  I expect that he’ll be far more available going forward.

 

 

Regards,

 

Jeff Broadwick

Bitlomat Sales Director

847-238-2481 Office

574-220-7826 Cell

www.bitlomat.com

https://www.facebook.com/Bitlomat

http://www.linkedin.com/company/bitlomat

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 9:45 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Justin Wilson?

 

 

Apparently the more you know, the more "in demand" you are in this industry...

seems to work that way locally here, too :)

 

- Original Message - 

From: Darin Steffl   

To: WISPA General List   

Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 6:30 PM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Justin Wilson?

 

I have been contacted and things are moving along now. He sent new 
contact information that I was never made aware of when we first started. 

 

http://www.mtin.net/contact.html 

 

On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 5:57 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:

I also engaged Justin for a project and it never went anywhere. I have 
also had the same results with other consultants. I actually engaged Justin 
because my other consultant fell through. Go figure.

 

On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Justin Wilson  wrote:

Darin,

I will have Andrew send you an e-mail from supp...@mtin.net.

 

Just for everyone’s reference if you need to get ahold of “me” you can 
do so at the following:

Phone: 317.644.2224

Email: supp...@mtin.net

 

I wrote a little blog post this morning as kind of “therapy” for me.  
As many of you know I have been a principal in a WISP we started after the 
failed sale of NDWave to another company.

http://www.mtin.net/blog/?p=50

 

The sale of ZigWireless has been my latest “project”.  I am personally 
invested in this so my future of getting this done has been a top priority.  So 
much so that everything else has suffered as a result.  The life of a WISP. 
LOL.  I feel like a “Veteran” after being in the ISP business since 1993.

 

Just so this isn’t just about me, if anyone wants to know my thoughts 
on a sale from a tech perspective hit me up off list and I will be glad to 
share.

 

Justin

 

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http://www.zigwireless.com – High Speed Internet Options

http://www.thebrotherswisp.com – The Brothers Wisp

 

From: Darin Steffl 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date: Thursday, May 15, 2014 at 1:28 PM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: [WISPA] Justin Wilson?

 

I have been trying to get ahold of Justin Wilson who started a 
project for me in April and he was out of commission for a little bit but now I 
haven't heard from him since. I have called his cell #, sent him 5 emails to 
j...@mtin.net with no response and I don't know how to get ahold of him. I see 
he has sent emails out to the list multiple times in the last few weeks but 
he's never responded to me.  

 

Anyone have any special tricks to get him to talk? My project 
is quite simple and he said it would take no more than 2 hours tops but he 
hasn't done anything further for me. Thanks


 

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Re: [WISPA] PCI compliant hosting

[Eric Rogers]

Jerry,

 

We have a company that we host www.cablesforless.com that we have gone
through PCI Compliancy testing... and many rounds with Control Scan.
Depending on what they need, we might be able to help them, or point
them in the right direction, or offer them a new home if they can't get
it fixed.

 

Eric Rogers

Precision Data Solutions, LLC

(317) 831-3000 x200

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 7:30 PM
To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] PCI compliant hosting

 

I work with a group that has a website that is failing PCI compliance
scans. Existing hosting provider might not have the ability to support
it which may mean we need to move.

 

Anyone providing hosting that is PCI compliant? How much?

 

 

 

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Re: [WISPA] PCI compliant hosting

[Eric Rogers]

Oops... that was meant to be offlist... Sorry everyone!

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Eric Rogers
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 8:07 PM
To: jrichard...@aircloud.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] PCI compliant hosting

 

Jerry,

 

We have a company that we host www.cablesforless.com that we have gone
through PCI Compliancy testing... and many rounds with Control Scan.
Depending on what they need, we might be able to help them, or point
them in the right direction, or offer them a new home if they can't get
it fixed.

 

Eric Rogers

Precision Data Solutions, LLC

(317) 831-3000 x200

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 7:30 PM
To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] PCI compliant hosting

 

I work with a group that has a website that is failing PCI compliance
scans. Existing hosting provider might not have the ability to support
it which may mean we need to move.

 

Anyone providing hosting that is PCI compliant? How much?

 

 

 

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[WISPA] Mikrotik Bridge Help

[Eric Rogers]

Ok, I have a strange one.  We are trying to block DHCP return requests
from a Mikrotik CPE.  It used to work but in recent upgrades, we are
showing that the bridge filter is not working.  We are using 4.16
currently.

 

Here are the rules:

/interface bridge filter

add action=log chain=forward comment="Block DHCP Servers from ETH1"
disabled=no in-interface=ether1 ip-protocol=udp log-prefix="DHCP: "
mac-protocol=ip packet-type=broadcast src-port=67

add action=drop chain=forward comment="" disabled=no in-interface=ether1
ip-protocol=udp mac-protocol=ip packet-type=broadcast src-port=67

 

The counters are incrementing for both the LOG and DROP rules, but it is
not dropping the packets in the last rule.  I have also tried turning on
the "Use IP Firewall" option, but still no results.

 

Eric Rogers

Precision Data Solutions, LLC

(317) 831-3000 x200

 

 

 




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Re: [WISPA] Wifi patents?

[Eric Rogers]

http://news.priorsmart.com/innovatio-ip-ventures-v-abp-l3Mf/

Evidently Meijer, Panera, and several others have...

Eric

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Bruce Robertson
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 4:17 PM
To: motor...@afmug.com; wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Wifi patents?

Has anyone run into any intellectual property companies claiming patent
infringement for use of 802.11 in "Business Operations" or providing
"User-level Hotspot Services to the Public"?  One of our customers just
got a letter from an attorney representing Innovatio IP Ventures,
offering to settle up now for "a license with highly favorable terms."

Leaving aside such terms as "slimeballs" and "preying on society"...  
Since this means pretty much anyone who uses Ubiquiti, and could
probably be extended to apply to Canopy even though they aren't using
802.11, I was wondering if anyone else had run into this.  My customer
is much higher profile than I am, and so is a better target, but I
figure it's only a matter of time.

It also means pretty much any company in the entire world, so I figure
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Re: [WISPA] Remote generator monitoring?

[Eric Rogers]

Most of the Generac or commercial gensets have relays in the control
panel that let you know what is going on.  We tie into them and just use
a contact closure monitor.

 

Eric

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Troy Settle
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 12:31 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Remote generator monitoring?

 

How does one typically monitor remote locations to know when/if they're
running on generator?  I'd like to know when a generator exorcises and
when it's running due to a power outage.

 

The easiest solution I can think of, is to stick an old routerboard at
the site to run from the generator only, then monitor it to know when
we're on genny power.  This seems a little klunky though.

 

Thanks,

 

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Re: [WISPA] Remote generator monitoring?

[Eric Rogers]

We currently use APC EMU or now NetBotz and What's Up Gold to watch for
condition changes.  It uses SNMP to send traps to WUG and we send alerts
as needed/required.  To add more connections, you buy more   I have been
watching Forest's equipment for some time, and have always wanted to
test some, but the lack of a web page has kept me from it when we have
something that works.

 

Eric

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Troy Settle
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 1:35 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Remote generator monitoring?

 

I was wondering about that... no experience though.  What
hardware/software do you use at the site to facilitate the monitoring?

 

It was suggested in a private reply to monitor the UPS... but that
doesn't quite work, as the UPS will likely not know the difference
between grid and genny power.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Eric Rogers
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 1:37 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Remote generator monitoring?

 

Most of the Generac or commercial gensets have relays in the control
panel that let you know what is going on.  We tie into them and just use
a contact closure monitor.

 

Eric

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Troy Settle
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 12:31 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Remote generator monitoring?

 

How does one typically monitor remote locations to know when/if they're
running on generator?  I'd like to know when a generator exorcises and
when it's running due to a power outage.

 

The easiest solution I can think of, is to stick an old routerboard at
the site to run from the generator only, then monitor it to know when
we're on genny power.  This seems a little klunky though.

 

Thanks,

 

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  The Wired Road Authority

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  Galax, VA 24333

  (276) 238-0049 (office)

  (276) 237-3890 (cell)

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Re: [WISPA] Anyone have a script to log dns or http/https requests fora given IP?

[Eric Rogers]

Snort.org?

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Behalf Of Greg Ihnen
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 3:43 PM
To: WISPA General List; us...@wug.cc
Subject: [WISPA] Anyone have a script to log dns or http/https requests
fora given IP?

Anyone have a script to log dns or http/https requests for a given IP?
Sort of like a quick and dirty evidence collector?

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[WISPA] AT&T Propoganda

[Eric Rogers]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKl_h3hAEUA

 

I just saw this link on Digg.com of all places.  I hate spreading stuff
like this, but if AT&T is putting something out there, should WISPA?
Maybe saying AT&T more competition is better?

 

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[WISPA] UBNT to Mikrotik Connection

[Eric Rogers]

We are changing out some Mikrotik Backhauls to UBNT M5 rockets and want
to replace one end at a time.  We have successfully linked an M5 to a
Mikrotik AP using A/N 10 MHz channel width, but I am only getting
24M/65M tx/rx negotiated links.  Signal is -45.

 

Isn't 24M negotiation A only?  Has anyone successfully linked MT to
UBNT?  Maybe it is in one of my settings on the MT.

 

Thanks,

 

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Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites

[Eric Rogers]

We use the 1500 APCs (non SMART-ups), but when  the batteries are at the
end of their life, the entire unit shuts off and we have to visit the
site.  We still continue to use them until we find something better, but
at about 3 years, expect the sites to randomly shut off.

 

Eric

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 4:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites

 

If you are NOT worried about uptime, you could get an APC 1500 or 2200
with an AP9617.  Those units are quite good, but they're AC/DC/AC/DC
from utility to your radios.  I think 80 watts gets you an hour of
uptime?

I've never had a unit go bad, I always buy refurb'ed units and new
batteries.  Running three of them for a couple of years now.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr
 wrote:

I thought like +/- $200.00

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Greg Ihnen
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:40 PM


To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites

 

How much do you want to spend?

 

Greg

 

On Sep 20, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote:

 

What's a good model to look for?  They seem kind of pricey.

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Greg Ihnen
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:11 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites

 

I was going to mention Xantrex as a contender. They used to be Trace
Engineering. They make a decent inverter. Tripp Lite makes some special
high quality high reliability inverters for things like ambulances if
you need something a cut above. The cream of the crop is the Outback.

 

Greg

On Sep 20, 2011, at 12:36 PM, Dorn Hetzel wrote:





I have had good luck with some of my servers using a xantrex
inverter/charger and a pile of wal-mart car batteries.  It's not pretty
but I have had no power drops in a couple of years.  Since the unit is
designed for RVs etc, it will keep the 12v pile charged even in the face
of 12v drain, so you can drive both 120vac and 12vdc loads off the same
setup.  It will charge the batteries when they need it and ac is
available, and float them after they are charged, and use the batteries
to provide ac if the mains ac disappears.  You decide how big a pile of
batteries to attach...

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr
 wrote:

Whatever works best for reasonable $ :-)  it's been a nightmare so far.
Starting to upset customers. 

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:55 AM, "Chris Hudson" 
wrote:

Is this just while using the Jack? Via POE, 24V is the way to
go.. IMO.

 

Do you want to make a full conversion to DC? Or just replace the
typical UPS setup?

 

Chris

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:52 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites

 

Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt.  We
have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the
MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other
weirdness.

 

Justin

 

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From: "Patrick D. Nix, Jr" 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites

 

Currently we are having some horrible issues with power
at our tower sites.  Our current configuration is that we have tripplite
smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery.  This
seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or
the UPS or both.  We then notice that the equipment at the tower will
power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on.
This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day.  I
think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being
high enough for the UPS to operate.  We are desperately looking for
other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue.  Most
equipment will operate at 12/24 volt.  1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x
Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket.  Any suggestions are appreciated.

 

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Re: [WISPA] What is everybody using for alarms?

[Eric Rogers]

We use Mikrotik's The Dude.  To accomplish what you are asking, we setup
Parents to each node.  Now, if the core router is down, we don't get an
email for each AP, switch, ups, EMU, or camera, but we get notified that
that tower's main router went down.  Basically, now we only get the
individual towers that are down, and maybe backhauls to/from each one.

Eric

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 7:36 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What is everybody using for alarms?

Hi Ed

I was looking also for something that sends one "report email" in case
of failure when multiple nodes are down. If 50 nodes are down and part
of the network is cut out, I will receive 50 emails. I would prefer one
email that summarize what went down and what when up, i.e. the state
change when occurs.

anybody has found something with this approach?

Thank you

> Have been using the Dude as my production monitor for over 3 years, 
> works great. Monitoring DS3 and wireless backhauls, Metro-E, wireless 
> and DSL subs. Also Routers, switches and server services.
>
> Ed Spoon
> Manager of Internet Services
> triparish.net  / cajun.net 
> Member: FISPA / WISPA
> Ph: 985-879-3219 / Fax: 985-876-6789
> Computer Sales & Services, Inc.
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Paolo Di Francesco 
> mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it>>
wrote:
>
> hum.. I don't know... I tested the dude a couple of years ago and
it had
> the bad habit to reset the configuration, but maybe it was the
> unstability of the version
>
> Do you have it in production without any issue?
>
> Thank you
>
>  > Dude. It e-mails, creates sounds, and even tells you where the
> problem is!
>  >
>  > *---
>  > **_Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer_**
>  > **Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>  > Office*: 314-735-0270   > *Website*:
>  > http://www.linktechs.net 
>  > */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training
>  >  - Author of "Learn
RouterOS"
>  > /*
>  >
>  > *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> 
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
]
>  > *On Behalf Of *Nick Olsen
>  > *Sent:* Monday, September 19, 2011 9:48 AM
>  > *To:* WISPA General List
>  > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] What is everybody using for alarms?
>  >
>  > We use PRTG, The latest one.
>  >
>  > We watch the web client for down devices, And the important
stuff
> alerts
>  > us via email and text message.
>  >
>  > Nick Olsen
>  > Network Operations
>  >
>  > (855) FLSPEED x106
>  >
>  >
>

>  >
>  > *From*: "Paolo Di Francesco"  >
>  > *Sent*: Monday, September 19, 2011 10:46 AM
>  > *To*: "WISPA General List"  >
>  > *Subject*: [WISPA] What is everybody using for alarms?
>  >
>  > Hi all
>  >
>  > I am curious to know what kind of alarm system you have
> implemented to
>  > see when a link/router is no more reachable on the net.
>  >
>  > Nagios or similar?
>  >
>  > any hint would be appreciated :)
>  >
>  > thank you
>  >
>  >
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Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown

[Eric Rogers]

I wanted to thank everyone for their input.  I am trying to summarize
what I have found.

I found a great informational site maintained by Stanford University.
http://www.chillingeffects.org/piracy/notice.cgi?NoticeID=973.  It has
many links and FAQ for a basis to make decisions.  It basically looks
that if the ISP has a policy regarding copyright infringement, and a way
to track each user, then the ISP is not playing COP, but responding to
claims/accusations and should be protected under section 512 safe harbor
laws in the DMCA.

There are many requirements for the letter the copyright holder must
follow, up to and including they have to "swear under penalty of
perjury" that what they are sending is correct.  If it isn't constructed
properly, it is nothing.

We are drafting a policy regarding receiving the letters, and how many
times we will allow it to occur before we must protect our rights under
section 512 for the safe harbor clause of the DMCA.

Unless there is a legal document requiring us to present customer
information, we will protect our customer's rights and privacy.

Finally, we are seeking some legal advice to help draft those response
letters and review our policies before implementing them.

Thanks again.

Eric


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Justin Wilson
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:46 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown

Start reading here for ISPS:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Copyright_Infringement_Liability_Lim
ita
tion_Act#Other_Defenses_for_OSPs

The legal advice I have been given has always been e-mail is not a legal
document.  Responding to e-mails is more of a courtesy/CYA than
anything.
Make sure you have a designated agent.  All official communication is
supposed to go through this agent.

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From: "Forrest W Christian (PF Lists)" 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 21:55:20 -0600
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown

>For those of you who are just ignoring these:  I'd recommend you read
up
>on the DMCA safe harbor rules  See
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Copyright_Infringement_Liability_Li
mit
>ation_Act
>
>In short, if you follow the steps under the law, you have an
affirmative
>defense against the copyright holders suing you for contributory
>infringement.
>
>-forrest
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Re: [WISPA] 7 days till Vegas

[Eric Rogers]

I was too.  I think we are going to be neighbors after the VZ
build-out... If you come, let me know so I can look you up.

 

Eric

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 1:35 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 7 days till Vegas

 

WHAT? I was really looking forward to chatting with you... better hire
someone to take your place for a while so you can come... :)

Travis
Microserv


On 10/1/2011 9:41 PM, Charles Wu wrote: 

Unfortunately, I just found out that I'm not going to be able to go =(

 

-Charles

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 7:07 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 7 days till Vegas

 

I don't care for Vegas, but I can't wait to see everyone!

 

Regards,

Jeff
ImageStream Sales Manager
800-813-5123 x106



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Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 6:42 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] 7 days till Vegas

 

Who is excited?!

If you haven't gotten your preparations ready, do them NOW!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



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Re: [WISPA] Splitters with Motorola Canopy 320 - Results Update

[Eric Rogers]

I have often wondered if it would be better to have two antennas in one given 
direction, with one being \ pol and the other antenna being used for / pol.  I 
wondered if special diversity would allow us to achieve better penetration 
results to clients without using splitters.

 

Basically order the two of the standard moto antennas, but use one polarity on 
each.

 

Eric Rogers

Precision Data Solutions, LLC

(317) 831-3000 x200

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of lakel...@gbcx.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 2:49 PM
To: WISPA General List; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Splitters with Motorola Canopy 320 - Results Update

 

You are not really talking a phased array here.  Lengths should not be 
critical.  

- Reply message -
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: [WISPA] Splitters with Motorola Canopy 320 - Results Update
Date: Tue, Oct 25, 2011 2:39 pm


Premades?  Or did you make your own and get as close as humanly possible?

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
> It is my understanding that they need to be of the same length.  That
> was our design, all the same length...we used 18" LMR 240 for this
> situation.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Kristian Hoffmann  
> wrote:
>> Do you have a reference for calculating the proper cable lengths and
>> antenna spacing based on frequency when using splitters in a
>> configuration like this?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> -Kristian
>>
>> On 10/25/2011 06:39 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>>> I thought I would post back on here what we did and our results.
>>> These are preliminary.
>>>
>>> Equipment:
>>> 1 x 320AP
>>>
>>> Configuration with only one sector:
>>> Power set to 19.9dB (per the manual for legal power settings)
>>> AP set to -65 power leveling
>>> Client signals at the AP were -65 (or thereabouts, this fluctuates
>>> from -65 to -70) for all clients.
>>> Client receive levels ranged from -61 to -75.
>>>
>>> Equipment:
>>> 1 x 320AP
>>> 4 x 16.5dB 90 degree sectors
>>> 2 x 4 way splitters from L-Com
>>>
>>> Configuration with only one sector:
>>> Power set to full 25dB (per the manual for legal power settings,
>>> assuming a -6.5dB of loss)
>>> AP set to -65 power leveling
>>> Client signals at the AP were -65 (or thereabouts, this fluctuates
>>> from -65 to -70) for all clients.
>>> Client receive levels ranged from -64 to -78.
>>>
>>> So essentially by adding a 4 way splitter the clients receive levels
>>> increased by about 3.5-4dB.  Tower receive levels were unchanged, as
>>> most of the clients were power leveled down.  Only one client is
>>> transmitting at full power now.  That client is also the highest
>>> signal on both sides.  Most client transmit levels are also running at
>>> a higher power now as well.
>>>
>>> Conclusion:
>>> I think that running 1 x 320AP x 4 sectors through splitters is a
>>> little aggressive.  If the majority of your clients are going to have
>>> decent signal levels, then I see no problems with it.  However, I
>>> think that our current situation is a little on the edge.  I think
>>> that if you are looking for an inexpensive way to use 320AP's, I would
>>> recommend this solution.  I think that this solution has a higher net
>>> gain over using an 8dB omni.  My results show that it is pretty
>>> consistent on being about a total loss of about 8dB using a 4 way
>>> splitter.  You can overcome 6.1dB of that loss in turning up the
>>> transmit power of the radios.   Your net loss is about 2.5-3dB,
>>> however you are able to focus the sectors a little better.
>>>
>>> In the long run on future deployments, we will likely use 2 AP's and 4
>>> sectors with 4x2way splitters (MIMO).  Once they reach capacity, we'll
>>> add additional AP's.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>>
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[WISPA] Who Knows eRate

[Eric Rogers]

Who knows eRate on this list?  We have an opportunity to rent fiber to
provide a connection to our tower site using an asset the school owns,
but because this is a technology asset, doesn't it qualify under e-rate?

 

Also, what I have read, if the school incurs income because of it, don't
they have to reduce their e-rate funding by the same amount?

 

Eric Rogers

Precision Data Solutions, LLC

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Re: [WISPA] Who Knows eRate

[Eric Rogers]

That makes sense, and that is kind of why I am asking if anyone is doing
this.  I am trying to consult with an e-rate specialist, but the one
that works with the schools is extremely hard to get ahold of.  We want
to rent fiber from a school that they paid to run to their tower for a
small TV station they operate.  If we rent the fiber, and the tower, as
long as it wasn't paid by some sort of erate funding, should be ok from
what I am reading.  We would be providing the wireless equipment, we
just want the fiber transport and facilities to put our gear up on.  I
also would like to use the rooftop of the school to put up broadcast
points or breakout points in this community.

If they were purchased with erate, then we can qualify for the community
portion of the access, but the school CANNOT charge anything for it.  It
is also optional and are not required to open their network.

Eric Rogers
Precision Data Solutions, LLC
(317) 831-3000 x200


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 12:28 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who Knows eRate

At 10/29/2011 12:02 PM, Eric Rogers wrote:

>Who knows eRate on this list?  We have an opportunity to rent fiber to 
>provide a connection to our tower site using an asset the school owns, 
>but because this is a technology asset, doesn't it qualify under
e-rate?

I don't know the system very well -- I advise checking with a
specialist, since it has some pretty strange policies -- but it probably
matters who owns the fiber.  It used to be that only carrier-provided
"services" were eligible, other than on-premise stuff (a different pool
of money available some but not all years).  Now, government-owned dark
fiber is eligible, though there are bidding rules.  Wireless links are
still not eligible for purchase subsidies (not that unlicensed radios
are expensive enough to need them any more), but eligible service
providers can probably sell services they deliver over their own
wireless links.

>
>Also, what I have read, if the school incurs income because of it, 
>don't they have to reduce their e-rate funding by the same amount?
>
>Eric Rogers
>Precision Data Solutions, LLC
>(317) 831-3000 x200

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Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Surge Arrestor Bank

[Eric Rogers]

+1

We use these in all our tower sites.

Eric

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Daniel White
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 11:22 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Surge Arrestor Bank

I'd install a small cabinet and use these

http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=38

I would probably use the DIN rail mounts personally

http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=39

Transtector makes one for Canopy only (at least that is what I
remember),
but is a major PITA to install.   

Daniel White


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 8:50 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Ethernet Surge Arrestor Bank

We are adding a fairly large new tower to our network and it will be a
central hub.  I want to bring a number of STP cat-5 lines up the tower
in
advance.  Will likely be mix of Canopy and Ubiquiti gear on top.
At the base I would like terminate them all at a large surge arrestor
bank
before entering the cabinet or building.  We will initially have a
cabinet
and perhaps later a building.  Does anyone know of an outdoor surge
arrestor
I can put at the base of the tower that accommodates a number of cat-5
runs
neatly?  Something like the standard outdoor canopy surge arrestor
except
would protect 8+ cat-5 lines in a larger outdoor enclosure.  This would
also
serve as a termination point if we move from the cabinet to a building
in
the future.





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Re: [WISPA] I'm new, I hope this is the right list...

[Eric Rogers]

Rich,

 

As I see it, you have two options.  One is to get into the fixed
wireless business and find a tech person that KNOWS what they are doing.
If you are going to outsource everything, you MUST know what is going on
with the network and not just "run it", or you cannot control the
functions of the business.  This doesn't mean you need to be an expert,
but must know how to set metrics for the outsourced companies and have
standards they must meet.  DO NOT get into the mobile business with the
unlicensed spectrum that is available... too many variables to provide a
good service.

 

Second option is to partner with a Verizon build-out like Charles Wu.
He is licensing some of the 700MHz spectrum from VZW and building it out
for them in hopes he will make money along the way and possibly sell it
back to them when it is done.  This model allows VZW to not lose their
frequencies because they have to use it or lose it.  This is also LTE,
and able to do mobile broadband.

 

IMO, I have always been told that a smart investor should only get into
something they know about.  If you don't know how ISPs work, should
probably stay away from it until you do know it.  I am not saying you
shouldn't do it, just maybe not now.  Stay on here, ask a lot of
questions and maybe you will find that tech partner you need.

 

Thanks,

 

Eric

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Rich _
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 6:33 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] I'm new, I hope this is the right list...

 

Hello,

 

I operate in the custom software development industry and am considering
setting up a WISP as a new business investment. I know very little about
the industry and am hoping that some of you will not mind giving me some
feedback. In exchange, I'll be glad to answer any software development
questions you may have that I can answer or that I can get an answer
for.

 

I'm a business person. I'm not interested in learning the low-level
details about wireless hardware or protocals above and beyond what I
need to run the business. I have no desire to ever
install/troubleshoot/repair the equipment myself.

 

What I want to do is own the service and run the business. My first
thoughts are I want a setup that makes it easiest for the customer to
start using the service. If there is a particular hardware setup that
lets me mail a dongle (small device that would plug into a USB port) to
the customer and viola they're up and running, great! Also, I am
wondering if operating in a licensed spectrum will provide me with some
protection from frequency overload.

 

I am interested in finding people who may be able to help me analyze a
territory for potential profitability and engineer a setup. So, if it
doesn't violate mailing list rules, feel free to respond with your
contact information so that I can contact you to find out what it would
cost for your services.

 

I know I have a lot to learn and want to stick with high-level
information so that I can quickly determine if this is a good
opportunity for me.

 

 

Thanks,

 

Rich




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Re: [WISPA] Doppler

[Eric Rogers]

http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?product=NCR&rid=LSX&loop=yes

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Andy Trimmell
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 11:12 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Doppler

 

Looking at northern Missouri on wunderground.com I can see a streak
going northwest of St Louis skimming north of Macon and south of
Kirksville. Anyone out there blasting equipment?

 

Andy Trimmell

Network Administrator

atrimm...@precisionds.com

317.831.3000 ext 211

 




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Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Link gone bonkers

[Eric Rogers]

To me, that really sounds like interference.  Don't look at the noise
floor.  Get a UBNT in spectrum analyzer mode, and let it run for a
little bit.  I bet you find something bleeding over the frequency.

Eric

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 7:28 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Link gone bonkers

Update after more work today.
Replaced all the electronics at one end early this morning.  No real
change.
Replace the cable and antenna at that end this afternoon.  When we got 
there the link was running with RSSI of around 67/70 and CCQ in the 50's

both ways.  Aligned the antenna and I watch the stats for a while while 
the climber we getting the old antenna off of the tower.  Signal 
strength went to around 57/65 and quality was running in the high 80s to

mid 90s.  Thought it was fixed.  Climber finished attaching new cable to

tower as he came down.  When He got to the bottom I checked things 
again.  Signals are 67/70 and CCQ is all over the place.  I have seen 
the CCQ jump from 90 to 14 at least once this evening.  It didn't drop 
the link at 14, rather it climbed back up to nearly 80 and then dropped.
I am at a complete loss as to what is going on.
Oh, the last time I looked, noise floor was around -100 so SNR is 
running 30 to 40.

On 1/29/2012 10:16 PM, Scott Reed wrote:
> Planned for tomorrow.
>
> On 1/29/2012 10:04 PM, Daniel White wrote:
>> Maybe your replacement hardware is bad too.  Have you tried another
set?
>>
>> Daniel White
>> (303) 746-3590
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
>> Behalf Of Scott Reed
>> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 7:19 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Link gone bonkers
>>
>> One end is just us and the 4 other links there are fine.
>> The other is is us and at least 2 other WISPS, an FM repeater
station, some
>> public service repeaters, some commercial 2-way repeaters and ...
>> Just looking at the tower, I don't think there is anything new, but I
will
>> ask the tower owner tomorrow.
>> We changed everything at one end and all but the cable at the other.
>> Other 5GHz links we have for either tower do not show symptoms of
>> interference, but that does not mean that isn't our problem.
>>
>> On 1/28/2012 8:31 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote:
>>> If you replaced all gear and even tried a different coax in place of
the
>> 60' of LMR then it would have to be some kind of noise, coming in via
the
>> power lines or radiated. Who else is on the tower?
>>> Did you only replace/try different gear on one tower or did you try
both
>> ends?
>>> Have you done any spectral analysis?
>>>
>>> Greg
>>> On Jan 28, 2012, at 5:35 PM, Scott Reed wrote:
>>>
 I have a link that went bonkers last Saturday or Sunday and it has
me
 stumped.
 RB433AH with XR5 at each end.
 Signals running around -69/-71.  CCQ is the goofy one.  Most of the
 time one direction is in the 50% range, but varies quite a bit.
The
 other direction ranges from 16% to 100%.  Generally if I see it
 getting close to 100% I know the link is going to drop.  It comes
 right back up, usually at about 50%.
 I have tried 20MHz channels, 10MHz channels, 5MHz channels with
about
 the same results from all.
 I have tried 5.2-5.3 frequencies and 5.7-5.8 frequencies.  The
higher
 frequencies work better, but still not well.
 All of the hardware except one 60' piece of LMR as been replaced.
 Ask me some questions and offer some suggestions as this one has me
 totally stumped.

 --
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 Owner
 NewWays Networking, LLC
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Re: [WISPA] No mail

[Eric Rogers]

I only see about 3-4 per day.  I did get the ones about “No Mail” over the 
weekend.  Am I on “B” also?

 

Eric

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 3:12 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] No mail

 

Somehow your subscription was set to send no mail.  I assume it was because of 
Bounced emails as the reason was (B).  I think B = Bounced.

 

It should be ok now.

 

Rick

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Tim Kerns
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 5:25 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] No mail

 

Rick,

 

I have not received mail for any wispa accounts in two or more days.

 

 

Come to think of it I didn’t receive the usual “you are subscribed to” 
messages either.

 

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RE: [WISPA] GOOGLE MAP - Adding Your WISP + New Features

[Eric Rogers]

:)  Since it did go through, how about "Back Charging" vendors for WISPA 
memberships?
 
Eric Rogers



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Charles Wu
Sent: Mon 8/22/2005 3:35 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] GOOGLE MAP - Adding Your WISP + New Features


did I miss something, or is SPAM/UCE (though blatent) now allowed on the 
listserv?
 
-Charles
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric DaVersa
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 5:08 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] GOOGLE MAP - Adding Your WISP + New Features


<>
 
For those interested in their own Wireless PreQual Tool fully 
integrated into your website with your coverage areas, we have just such a 
tool.  It comes with a price; however, for Service Providers with wide coverage 
areas, a sales organization, reseller channel, and an interest in reducing 
truck rolls, this tool can be invaluable.
 
http://demo.netlogix.com <http://demo.netlogix.com/>  - click on 
"Enhanced Service Prequalification <http://69.225.184.217:8081/netlogix/> ". 
 
Please feel free to contact me off-list if interested.
 
Respectfully,
 
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert 
Kim Wireless Internet Advisor
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 12:03 PM
To: wispa; John Resig
Subject: [WISPA] GOOGLE MAP - Adding Your WISP + New Features
 
Team,
 
UPDATE:
Single Point for Wisp is NOT on the plate - we've scrapped the idea .. 
thx tom.
 
 
NEW FEATURES:
The map is pretty solid.. we CURRENTLY are adding a cool, 
1) SCROLL WHEEL ZOOM feature... so a click will just be a click ...
2) Loggin For self editing...
3) State Filter
 
 
ADDING YOUR WISP:
BUT.. since the ADD URL feature is still Down...
if you want to get yourself on the map now...
http://wifi-hotspot.wirelessinternetcoverage.com/inputpreview.html
is the admin panel...
i just tested it... it works well.
 
HOW TO ADD YOUR WISP:
1. Make sure that you use the very LAST FORM.
2. Check, USE CURRENT GPS ON
3. under category, type, "wisp"
4. align your AP center to the cross hairs - you gotta zoom
5. Enter as much info as you can... the Address fields are now 
functional
AND adding addresses will help for the state level filter
 
Hit enter. thx.. and please let NON Wispa.org wisps know too... so that 
is map becomes popular and we all get more traffic
 
_
IF there are some HUGE urgent correction issues.. lemme know what they 
are.. i will TRY to fit them in.. .. BUT since we will be going V1.0 soon.. 
your LOGIN/ADMIN feature may be ready for you to self correct.. thanks! 
 
 
 
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RE: [WISPA] porno stopper

[Eric Rogers]

Why not bring this to the WISP forum for members instead of being private, I am 
sure others would be interested.
 
Eric



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of David Weddell
Sent: Mon 9/12/2005 12:14 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] porno stopper



We have a solution for preventing questionable content onto your network. It
is both a plug in or a server solution. Contact me offlist and I can hook
you up with the details.

Regards,

David Weddell

Director of Sales



260 273 2662 Cell

260 827 2551 Office

800 363 4881 Ext 2551 Toll Free



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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 10:27 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] porno stopper

I just got this message from a sub. 


>"Do you also have any software that I can install the prevents my children
(and me for that matter) from accessing questionable content?"
> 
>


Who recommends what and where can I get it?

Brian
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RE: [WISP] [WISPA] Rita

[Eric Rogers]

I also have server space I am willing to part with.  Mail me off-list and I'll 
set anyone up with temporarily.
 
Eric Rogers
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(317) 831-3000 Ext 200



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Sent: Thu 9/22/2005 3:25 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: wireless@wispa.org; isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com
Subject: Re: [WISP] [WISPA] Rita



That's a great idea.

I have room on the web and mail servers too.  Do you guys in the bad zones
want to move your services out of the area for a couple of months?

Backup data out of the area etc

Marlon
(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message -
From: "Rob Kohli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 12:35 PM
Subject: RE: [WISP] [WISPA] Rita


I am in Pa but am willing to give up server space it there is anyone that
needs to back up a site or data

Robert Kohli
President
Back Mountain Broadband
1-866-562-9434
www.backmountainisp.com
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Harry Gallagher
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 3:33 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [WISP] [WISPA] Rita

Marlon, I live just north of Harris County in Magnolia/Tomball and could put
up quit a few people and equipment About 4000 SF+.  I have a generator and a
T1 here.  Let me know if this would work I am open for whatever needs to be
done.

Thank You
Harry Gallagher
President
Qzip.net, Inc
14055 FM 2920, Suite 382
Tomball, Texas 77377
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Alt: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.qzip.net
Phone: (713) 681-9861
Fax: (713) 681-9863
Cell: (713) 256-5528
VOIP (832) 422-4373/4374

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 2:05 PM
To: WISPA General List
Cc: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [WISP] [WISPA] Rita

OK, so we should plan on being able to stage people and stuff there?

30 miles might be close enough that you'll have no water or power or much of

anything else if the gusts keep topping 200mph.

Who's got alternate locations?

Also, for any potential staging areas how about some gps coordinates?  I'm
guessing streets will be hard to find.

Marlon
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(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
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From: "JohnnyO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 10:46 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Rita


> Marlon - Lake Arthur, Louisiana - home of apgwireless.com - we'll be
> just to the east side of the storm when she hits... What a mean bitch
> this will be. Would love to have ya'll :) I have 3ft thick cement walls
> surrounded by other buildings with 3ft thick walls LOL
>
> FYI - we have 4000sq ft of empty space to use for staging area /
> sleeping accomodations / plenty of grub / etc.
>
> JohnnyO
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki
> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 11:58 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rita
>
>
> Are there any WISPA people left who can jump and run?   I got the
> impression
> that those who could already did and are now already out there...   A
> lot of
> folks have given a lot already, I suspect more than a few are tapped
> out.
>
>
>
>
> North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061
> personal correspondence to:  mark at neofast dot net
> sales inquiries to:  purchasing at neofast dot net
> Fast Internet, NO WIRES!
> 
> 
> -
> - Original Message -
> From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 9:36 AM
> Subject: [WISPA] Rita
>
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> What can we do to get ready for Rita's landfall?  I think that now's
>> the time to get teams together and pre plan a few staging areas in the
>
>> likely landfall areas.
>>
>> http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at3+shtml/145647.shtml?3day
>> http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at3+shtml/145647.shtm

RE: [WISPA] remote temp sensors

[Eric Rogers]

Look at APC Environmental Monitoring Units (EMU).  If memory serves
correctly, it was $150 or so and it does what you are asking... PLUS you
can SNMP query the device and get real-time readings.  I do Temp and
Humidity in my computer room, along with my bandwidth.

Eric Rogers
Precision Data Solutions
(317) 831-3000 Ext. 200

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Pete Davis
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 7:20 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] remote temp sensors

Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I have a need for remote temp units.  I'd prefer one that would email 
> in the case of an out of range condition.  These will be used in homes

> so no need for really extreme stuff.
>
> Yes I'll google too.  Just wondering what people are using and what 
> they like the best.
>
> thanks,
> marlon
>


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Re: [WISPA] Do you recognize this tower?

[Eric Rogers]

I bet it is a Motorola brand tower (made by Rohn).  We had a 100' tower, and it 
is nearly identical to the SSV, except the pads are 45* out from standard SSV.  
You can get a section of that is made with the 45 plate at the top and the 
standard at the bottom to continue building a taller tower if needed.  We chose 
to buy a newer tower than to re-engineer one.

 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Marco Coelho
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 4:30 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Do you recognize this tower?

 

 
​

 

On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Marco Coelho  wrote:

tower leg part numbers are marked:  8807379-1 880380-1 880382-1 881569-1  NO 
pics yet

 

On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 2:47 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

No pictures




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 3:46 PM, Marco Coelho  wrote:

 

I'm looking at a tower (self supporter) which mechanically looks like 
one of my Rohn SSV towers.  There is not a tower part number plate on the 
tower, but the legs are marked:

880379-1
880380-1
880381-1
880382-1
881569-1

Ideas?




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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik consultant/help

[Eric Rogers]

Try wiki on Mikrotik's site.

http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Category:QoS
namely the one titled "PCQ Examples".  Simple queues are pretty easy to
use, once you have them figured out.  I hate saying go to the
documentation, but the WIKI is a great place of nothing but examples.  I
know there are several WISPA vendor members here, and they are all
capable of doing this.

Eric Rogers
Precision Data Solutions, LLC
(317) 831-3000 x200



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 8:23 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik consultant/help

I want to run RouterOS on an x86 machine between a satellite internet  
connection and a small wireless network (about 20 users) so that I can  
give one group of users more bandwidth and another group of users less  
bandwidth. It's also important that the bandwidth usage within a group  
be distributed fairly. Can anyone recommend a Mikrotik consultant for  
a small job like this? Does anyone have anything that would do this  
which I could cut and paste?

Thanks!
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Re: [WISPA] OT Question....

[Eric Rogers]

One thing, I don't know what kind of RF backhauls you are using, but the
Motorola PTP radios have a feature that disconnect the Ethernet briefly
to reset any Spanning Tree functions on the switch.  Check the radios
and see if they are dropping briefly, causing the Ethernet disconnects.

Eric

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Bret Clark
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 10:54 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT Question

How close are these links? We find that at 0.10 in/hr of rain fall will
cause our 60GHz link to drop and because of the Ethernet follows
Wireless setting this also drops our Ethernet connection, normally we
only see this in hard rain. 


On Fri, 2009-10-30 at 10:55 -0400, Bob Moldashel wrote:

> To All,
> 
> OK  Its a fiber interface.  The system has been working fine.
> 
> Configuration is this:
> 
> 2960 <--- fiber ---> Gig Radio < 60ghz > Gig Radio  
> <---fiber> 2960
> 
> The interface went down twice in the same day. The radio never went 
> down. the fiber tests fine and no one has screwed with it. They are 
> short runs. This is a new deployment that has been up for about 6
weeks. 
> Fiber is all multimode 62.5 mm. It has not been intermittent. It just 
> went down hard twice one day and has been fine since. And when it went

> down it went down at 8:15 am and came back up at 2pm then went back
down 
> at 2pm and came back up at 4:30 and has been fine since.  Both sites
are 
> rooftop locations and it was raining the day the event happened so no 
> one was working in the vacinity of the equipment. And it has rained on

> and off here for the past 3 weeks with no issues otherwise so I am 
> ruling out weather. The radio link never goes down. Ever. So its not 
> rain taking out the 60 Ghz. hop.
> 
> OK   Teaching moment...  :-)
> 
> For those of you that are not aware most Gigabit radios when they
loose 
> their RF link shut down their gig ports on both sides to indicate a
hard 
> failure. This obviously expedites things like OSPF and such for
rerouting.
> 
> Just really weird
> 
> -B-
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
> > Hi Bob,
> > This shows the port simply going up and down. And noting more.
> >
> > Is this a Fiber Port ? Or Copper ?
> >
> > If copper, then the wire needs to be tested, (no loose connector,
right kind
> > of cable, cat6, and the cable not exceeding 300ft,etc.)
> >
> > If it is fiber then, check the fiber, clean the fiber, check the
SFP/GBIC,
> > clear them, reseat them, confirm that you are using right cable
(single mode
> > or MultiMode) and the SFP/GBIC's Match, and depending on the length
of
> > cable, make sure your light levels are good, there is no kink in
cable etc)
> > Don't mix MultiMode cables with Single Mode Cables Connectors..
> >
> > TIP, fiber cables / SFP/GBIC, you can test each side by doing a
LoopBack on
> > the Far end... To do a loopback in fiber world, you just have to
find a way
> > to connect the two ends of the fiber cable together.
> >
> >
> > Additionally, you may want to setup the devices on both side to be
Fixed
> > 1000FDX rather than Auto negotiate.
> >
> > Regards 
> >
> >
> > Faisal Imtiaz
> > SnappyDSL.net
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
> > Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
> > Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 10:14 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: [WISPA] OT Question
> >
> > Sorry guys. I know its a little OT but I am the RF guy, not the
network guy.
> > But its kind of on topic because its connected to a wireless link.
:-)
> >
> > What does this tell everybody???   Its from a Cisco 2960 switch.
> >
> > Oct 27 08:12:18.407 EST: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on
Interface
> > GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to down Oct 27 08:12:19.455 EST:
> > %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to down
Oct 27
> > 13:52:16.606 EST: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface GigabitEthernet0/21,
changed
> > state to up Oct 27 13:52:18.661 EST: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line
protocol on
> > Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to up Oct 27
14:15:10.273 EST:
> > %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface GigabitEthernet0/21,
changed
> > state to down Oct 27 14:15:11.314 EST: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface
> > GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to down Oct 27 16:26:29.667 EST:
> > %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to up
> >
> >
> > I know the gig port is going up and down but does it tell you
anything else?
> >
> >
> > Tnx.
> >
> > -B-
> >
> > -B-
> >
> >
> >


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[WISPA] Backhaul Questions

[Eric Rogers]

Ok guys...Looking for both Mikrotik experience and others.  We currently
have a Mikrotik backhaul between each of our towers using NStreme and we
have been extremely happy with the performance.  We recently upgraded a
tower because we were hitting 15M or so during peak times and was afraid
it couldn't handle much more.  We upgraded that backhaul to a Motorola
PTP for future capacity.

 

The questions:

 

MT Gurus:

Each backhaul ranges in distance, each ranges from 3 miles (3 backhauls)
and the rest are about 12 miles (5 backhauls).  Since we have been using
Mikrotik, I have reliably seen up to 10 Meg, and I am afraid 15 Meg is
pushing the envelope on a 20 MHz channel.

 

How much capacity can I reliably push on a 20 MHz channel using NStreme?

 

Other Gurus:

I understand the following are loaded questions, but budget is around
$1000-3000 range and the capacity needs to be around the 60Meg mark (30
each way or without a defined 1:1 guarantee, capability to flex and be
able to push 30M each way).

 

If I start upgrading to larger backhauls on busy links, what type of
equipment should I look at?

What can support VoIP?

Anything that GPS times for frequency reuse?

Anything work in the 5.4GHz range at a 12 mile distance?

 

Eric Rogers

Precision Data Solutions, LLC

(317) 831-3000 x200

 




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Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

[Eric Rogers]

Ok, so maybe 40 miles is out, seeing is how my links are only 12.  I was
looking at 5.4 solutions because my 3 mile hops have lots of 5.8 and I
am running out of spectrum.  Without frequency reuse via GPS or HSS, I
have to move to another frequency.  5.4 seemed like it might be a viable
option for the short hops, and use 5.8 for the long hops, or even 2.4
with dishes.

So MT guys, with a 411 AH, and R5H, you can see speeds up to 30M with
low jitter?

Eric

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 2:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

40 miles @ 5.4?

How is that possible with a 30dB EIRP max limit? Sure you could use a
36dB dish but I can't see how you can turn the power down enough to stay
in compliance.

Jerry

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 11:45 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

Well, depending on what the radio was certified with, you could 
theoretically go 40 miles in 5.4 GHz.  I'm not sure I'd put those
antennas 
on a Rohn 25, though.  :-p

MT 20 MHz can go 35 megs or so, depending on board HP and RF conditions.


-
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------
From: "Eric Rogers" 
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 8:30 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

> Ok guys...Looking for both Mikrotik experience and others.  We
currently
> have a Mikrotik backhaul between each of our towers using NStreme and
we
> have been extremely happy with the performance.  We recently upgraded
a
> tower because we were hitting 15M or so during peak times and was
afraid
> it couldn't handle much more.  We upgraded that backhaul to a Motorola
> PTP for future capacity.
>
>
>
> The questions:
>
>
>
> MT Gurus:
>
> Each backhaul ranges in distance, each ranges from 3 miles (3
backhauls)
> and the rest are about 12 miles (5 backhauls).  Since we have been
using
> Mikrotik, I have reliably seen up to 10 Meg, and I am afraid 15 Meg is
> pushing the envelope on a 20 MHz channel.
>
>
>
> How much capacity can I reliably push on a 20 MHz channel using
NStreme?
>
>
>
> Other Gurus:
>
> I understand the following are loaded questions, but budget is around
> $1000-3000 range and the capacity needs to be around the 60Meg mark
(30
> each way or without a defined 1:1 guarantee, capability to flex and be
> able to push 30M each way).
>
>
>
> If I start upgrading to larger backhauls on busy links, what type of
> equipment should I look at?
>
> What can support VoIP?
>
> Anything that GPS times for frequency reuse?
>
> Anything work in the 5.4GHz range at a 12 mile distance?
>
>
>
> Eric Rogers
>
> Precision Data Solutions, LLC
>
> (317) 831-3000 x200
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

[Eric Rogers]

.  I'll let him say what he did to make it work, but it's
>certainly
>possible.
>
>
>-
>Mike Hammett
>Intelligent Computing Solutions
>http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
>
>From: Bret Clark
>Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 11:02 AM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions
>
>
>Man...what is the EIRP on these links that people are posting high bit
>rates? As someone else stated, gotta wonder if the FCC won't start
>getting
>suspicious at some point.
>
>Travis Johnson wrote:
> 73 miles... and I get 28Mbps total (14Mbps each direction) using a
>20mhz
>channel.
>
> Travis
>
>
> Josh Luthman wrote:
>Travis is getting 28 megs on a really long backhaul - like 58 miles?
>
>You will not see >30.
>
>On 10/31/09, Eric Rogers  wrote:
> Ok guys...Looking for both Mikrotik experience and others.  We
>currently
>have a Mikrotik backhaul between each of our towers using NStreme and
we
>have been extremely happy with the performance.  We recently upgraded a
>tower because we were hitting 15M or so during peak times and was
afraid
>it couldn't handle much more.  We upgraded that backhaul to a Motorola
>PTP for future capacity.
>
>
>
>The questions:
>
>
>
>MT Gurus:
>
>Each backhaul ranges in distance, each ranges from 3 miles (3
backhauls)
>and the rest are about 12 miles (5 backhauls).  Since we have been
using
>Mikrotik, I have reliably seen up to 10 Meg, and I am afraid 15 Meg is
>pushing the envelope on a 20 MHz channel.
>
>
>
>How much capacity can I reliably push on a 20 MHz channel using
NStreme?
>
>
>
>Other Gurus:
>
>I understand the following are loaded questions, but budget is around
>$1000-3000 range and the capacity needs to be around the 60Meg mark (30
>each way or without a defined 1:1 guarantee, capability to flex and be
>able to push 30M each way).
>
>
>
>If I start upgrading to larger backhauls on busy links, what type of
>equipment should I look at?
>
>What can support VoIP?
>
>Anything that GPS times for frequency reuse?
>
>Anything work in the 5.4GHz range at a 12 mile distance?
>
>
>
>Eric Rogers
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>
>(317) 831-3000 x200
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[WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

[Eric Rogers]

Has anyone used any 2.4/5.8 Dual Band Sectors?

 

Does anyone know of any that are 120*?  I have found some that are 90.

 

Thanks,

 

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Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

[Eric Rogers]

That is almost exactly what I want... Do they make it polar opposite?
Like 2.4 V and 5.8 H?

Eric

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Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 9:26 AM
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http://www.superpass.com/SPD-GSH4T-J6T.html#V_plane

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Subject: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

Has anyone used any 2.4/5.8 Dual Band Sectors?

 

Does anyone know of any that are 120*?  I have found some that are 90.

 

Thanks,

 

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Precision Data Solutions, LLC

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Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

[Eric Rogers]

Nice antenna, but it is $1300 list.

Eric

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Goicoechea
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:29 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

We have tested different types and found with the dual pol Sectors that
Radiowaves makes an excellent antenna. They offer 2.4v and 5.8h or 2.4h
and
5.8v. They offer 60 or 90 degree. We have used 3 90s for 360 coverage on
a
tower with great results. If you need further information feel free to
hit
me off list. 

Mike Goicoechea 
m...@cielosystems.net 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 11:56 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

Below PacWireless?  That's hitting below the belt.

Any other suggestions for quality dual band sectors?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

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improbable, must be the truth."
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Rick Harnish 
wrote:

> We used some a few years ago for a vWISP on his original tower
install.
> Over time, he moved to dedicated backhauls in place of the 5.8 portion
of
> the sectors.  I can't remember how well they worked to tell the truth
as I
> was not intimately involved in any installs off of the 5.8 portion.
>
> Sorry this isn't much help.
>
> Rick
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 12:04 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors
>
> Rick, Have you used these? If so, how well do they work? -RickG
>
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Rick Harnish 
wrote:
>
> > http://www.superpass.com/SPD-GSH4T-J6T.html#V_plane
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
> > Behalf Of Eric Rogers
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 5:17 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors
> >
> > Has anyone used any 2.4/5.8 Dual Band Sectors?
> >
> >
> >
> > Does anyone know of any that are 120*?  I have found some that are
90.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> >
> > Eric Rogers
> >
> > Precision Data Solutions, LLC
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Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

[Eric Rogers]

But it is exactly what I am looking for... SEC-2V-5H-90 Bummer...

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Behalf Of Eric Rogers
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 2:53 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

Nice antenna, but it is $1300 list.

Eric

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Goicoechea
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:29 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

We have tested different types and found with the dual pol Sectors that
Radiowaves makes an excellent antenna. They offer 2.4v and 5.8h or 2.4h
and
5.8v. They offer 60 or 90 degree. We have used 3 90s for 360 coverage on
a
tower with great results. If you need further information feel free to
hit
me off list. 

Mike Goicoechea 
m...@cielosystems.net 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 11:56 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

Below PacWireless?  That's hitting below the belt.

Any other suggestions for quality dual band sectors?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth."
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Rick Harnish 
wrote:

> We used some a few years ago for a vWISP on his original tower
install.
> Over time, he moved to dedicated backhauls in place of the 5.8 portion
of
> the sectors.  I can't remember how well they worked to tell the truth
as I
> was not intimately involved in any installs off of the 5.8 portion.
>
> Sorry this isn't much help.
>
> Rick
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 12:04 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors
>
> Rick, Have you used these? If so, how well do they work? -RickG
>
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Rick Harnish 
wrote:
>
> > http://www.superpass.com/SPD-GSH4T-J6T.html#V_plane
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
> > Behalf Of Eric Rogers
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 5:17 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors
> >
> > Has anyone used any 2.4/5.8 Dual Band Sectors?
> >
> >
> >
> > Does anyone know of any that are 120*?  I have found some that are
90.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> >
> > Eric Rogers
> >
> > Precision Data Solutions, LLC
> >
> > (317) 831-3000 x200
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Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] Frustrating connectivity issues.

[Eric Rogers]

Further, are you using a router (Linksys/D-Link/Netgear/Other) with
PPPoE, or the computer with PPPoE, or even DHCP?

Eric


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 6:33 PM
To: Mikrotik discussions
Cc: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] Frustrating connectivity issues.

>The whole time the RDP session will stay connected and functional.

Are you sure it's functional?  I expect it probably isn't usable while
the
pings stop just like browsing isn't capable.

What are you pinging from/to?

Do you have the Tranzeo fix applied to your CPEs as you're using a
Mikrotik
AP?  Is the Tranzeo rebooting per their interpretation of the RFC?  Is
the
wireless registration staying up according to the AP?

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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improbable, must be the truth."
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On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Mark McElvy  wrote:

> Recently I posted an issue with a new customer that had a great signal
> but poor throughput. A lot of people sais multipath. Well now I have
> more data and another customer seeing the same thing.
>
>
>
> 1.   If you get connected to an RDP session it stays connected.
>
> 2.   If you do a constant ping, you get responses for a while, you
> won't get responses for a while.
>
> 3.   While the pings respond, you can web browse fast.
>
> 4.   While the pings don't respond, you get page cannot be
> displayed.
>
> 5.   The whole time the RDP session will stay connected and
> functional.
>
> 6.   Customer says the online game they play will take several
> attempts to connect but once connected it works great.
>
>
>
> Someone else suggested power but tried different power supplies with
> same result. These are Tranzeo CPQ's as clients and MT
AP/RB532/XR-2/120
> 16db HPol.
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[WISPA] Metered Billing

[Eric Rogers]

We are on the verge of changing to a metered or tiered billing structure
with Caps that once they exceed the cap; it doesn't shut off, but they
get charged the overage.  Netflix is getting out of control and I don't
want to punish the customers that only use it occasionally.  I think
they are very innovative solutions and don't want to hinder new
applications.  I just want people that download 160 GB in a month, when
the average is nearly 10 GB a month, to pay their share for expanding
the network.

 

Who has dabbled in the metered/tiered services and what were your
customers responses?

What are your tiers?

Have attitudes changed toward your company as being greedy?

 

We already have everything in place to do it, just need to send out the
letter saying we are doing it and why.

 

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Precision Data Solutions, LLC

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Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing

[Eric Rogers]

I use multiple MS IAS radius servers logging to a SQL server with accounting 
on.  I have already built a customer portal to display billing info for 
customers, and I just added a section that shows their current usage.  Each 
time a customer views a page, it will also search the database and look for 
overages and email out reminders if they reach the 75% mark on their cap 
automatically.

All has been custom built, but if you are using RADIUS with accounting, it is a 
snap.

Eric


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Of Joe Miller
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 8:40 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing

Eric,

What type of appliance are you using to meter this usage? I have the same 
problem here.

Joe



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To: WISPA General List 
Sent: Sat, November 7, 2009 6:56:03 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Metered Billing

We are on the verge of changing to a metered or tiered billing structure
with Caps that once they exceed the cap; it doesn't shut off, but they
get charged the overage.  Netflix is getting out of control and I don't
want to punish the customers that only use it occasionally.  I think
they are very innovative solutions and don't want to hinder new
applications.  I just want people that download 160 GB in a month, when
the average is nearly 10 GB a month, to pay their share for expanding
the network.



Who has dabbled in the metered/tiered services and what were your
customers responses?

What are your tiers?

Have attitudes changed toward your company as being greedy?



We already have everything in place to do it, just need to send out the
letter saying we are doing it and why.



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Precision Data Solutions, LLC

(317) 831-3000 x200




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Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing

[Eric Rogers]

I do agree with you and that works if there are other options.  One
customer who was downloading 160G, came from DSL and moved into this
neighborhood and now wants high speed where we are the only option.  It
is only a matter of time before others are using Netflix and others.
They come in all gaming consoles now.  Why not have the customers pay
for upgrades?  If there is a high demand for services, the demand drives
growth; or fees stifle demand.

Maybe my logic is flawed, but if 5% of the customer base is straining
the network, shouldn't they pay more?

Eric

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Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 12:22 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing

10% of your customers will use 90% of your resources. Direct that 10% 
customer base to cable or DSL and stop worrying about adding complexity 
to your network.

Travis
Microserv

Chuck Profito wrote:
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>
> -Original Message-
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On
> Behalf Of Eric Rogers
> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 4:56 AM
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> Subject: [WISPA] Metered Billing
>
> We are on the verge of changing to a metered or tiered billing
structure
> with Caps that once they exceed the cap; it doesn't shut off, but they
> get charged the overage.  Netflix is getting out of control and I
don't
> want to punish the customers that only use it occasionally.  I think
> they are very innovative solutions and don't want to hinder new
> applications.  I just want people that download 160 GB in a month,
when
> the average is nearly 10 GB a month, to pay their share for expanding
> the network.
>
>  
>
> Who has dabbled in the metered/tiered services and what were your
> customers responses?
>
> What are your tiers?
>
> Have attitudes changed toward your company as being greedy?
>
>  
>
> We already have everything in place to do it, just need to send out
the
> letter saying we are doing it and why.
>
>  
>
> Eric Rogers
>
> Precision Data Solutions, LLC
>
> (317) 831-3000 x200
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>
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Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing

[Eric Rogers]

So have you tried it or are you doing it now that you are saying it is a
pain in the rear?

 

Eric

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 2:19 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing

 

And deal with the extra phone calls each month from customers that claim
they didn't use that much. :(

Travis
Microserv

RickG wrote: 

Many of you know this is not that hard. Back in 1997 I had an Allot box
that
gave me the numbers. All I did was pull the report and bill accordingly.
The
hard part would be integrating it with a billing system so it does it
automatically.  -RickG
 
On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Eric Rogers 
<mailto:ecrog...@precisionds.com> wrote:
 
  

We are on the verge of changing to a metered or tiered billing
structure
with Caps that once they exceed the cap; it doesn't shut off,
but they
get charged the overage.  Netflix is getting out of control and
I don't
want to punish the customers that only use it occasionally.  I
think
they are very innovative solutions and don't want to hinder new
applications.  I just want people that download 160 GB in a
month, when
the average is nearly 10 GB a month, to pay their share for
expanding
the network.
 
 
 
Who has dabbled in the metered/tiered services and what were
your
customers responses?
 
What are your tiers?
 
Have attitudes changed toward your company as being greedy?
 
 
 
We already have everything in place to do it, just need to send
out the
letter saying we are doing it and why.
 
     
     
Eric Rogers
 
Precision Data Solutions, LLC
 
(317) 831-3000 x200
 
 
 
 



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Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing

[Eric Rogers]

Put radius attribute 27 (Session Timeout) to 2 days and it will
automatically disconnect them every 48 hrs.  I set the businesses to 5
days.

Eric

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of George Morris
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 2:58 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing

That's interesting. So in theory we could just script a 'flicker' at the
APs
at Midnight, and another 'flicker' at 6am to get the settings to change
at
the client...

Good idea! Thanks Josh.

George 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 2:41 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing

In PPPOE you should be able to just kill the connection and the client
should reestablish a moment afterward.  I know it works this way with MT
PPPOE server/client.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

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--- Albert Einstein


On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 2:38 PM, George Morris
wrote:

> Rick, did you have a self-serve portal where your customers could
check
> ongoing usage?
>
> We are implementing IPtrack, same as Marlon. Brandon will build a
> self-service portal for us.
>
> We are also going to implement something called 'Moonlighting', where
we
> don't count bandwidth from Midnight to 6am in an effort to move some
heavy
> traffic onto the dead period on our network.
>
> Makes tiered pricing easier to swallow...
>
> What I would really like to do is allow a speed increase at the same
time,
> to give people a taste of our more advanced services.
>
> Unfortunately I have no idea how to make that happen in a PPPoE
environment
> without forcing people to disconnect and re-login.
>
> George
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 2:33 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
>
> Travis, I was operating on the premise that you said to send them to
DSL
or
> cable.
> Even with that, I did not have that experience. We sent the invoices
out
> with a copy of their usage report and it was rarely, if ever
questioned.
> -RickG
>
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>
> >  And deal with the extra phone calls each month from customers that
claim
> > they didn't use that much. :(
> >
> > Travis
> > Microserv
> >
> > RickG wrote:
> >
> > Many of you know this is not that hard. Back in 1997 I had an Allot
box
> that
> > gave me the numbers. All I did was pull the report and bill
accordingly.
> The
> > hard part would be integrating it with a billing system so it does
it
> > automatically.  -RickG
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Eric Rogers

> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >  We are on the verge of changing to a metered or tiered billing
structure
> > with Caps that once they exceed the cap; it doesn't shut off, but
they
> > get charged the overage.  Netflix is getting out of control and I
don't
> > want to punish the customers that only use it occasionally.  I think
> > they are very innovative solutions and don't want to hinder new
> > applications.  I just want people that download 160 GB in a month,
when
> > the average is nearly 10 GB a month, to pay their share for
expanding
> > the network.
> >
> >
> >
> > Who has dabbled in the metered/tiered services and what were your
> > customers responses?
> >
> > What are your tiers?
> >
> > Have attitudes changed toward your company as being greedy?
> >
> >
> >
> > We already have everything in place to do it, just need to send out
the
> > letter saying we are doing it and why.
> >
> >
> >
> > Eric Rogers
> >
> > Precision Data Solutions, LLC
> >
> > (317) 831-3000 x200
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing

[Eric Rogers]

Are you suggesting some sort of metric to say they are over-using
service and to move to a higher usage service?  We have been "All you
can eat" for years but we are at a point where demand is driving
upgrades.  I have always called the customer that used double what the
norm was and explained that we are a small company and that we are doing
this because there are no other options...don't abuse it.  We are
currently switching out equipment on busy towers because of the traffic
we are seeing.  Now business wise, it was probably my mistake or
underestimation that I chose it, but it served a purpose and made money.

 

I have been looking at the explosive growth of technology and for me to
replace equipment every time something changes, or a better product
comes out, that doesn't make any financial sense because we will never
make money.  If busy towers have overage charges, that drives "extra"
revenue that can be used directly for the benefit of all customers.
(that's my logic)

 

Look at the cellular industry.  They were metered...$XX dollars for YY
minutes and $.ZZ for overage fees.  They then created a "Unlimited" plan
that is double if not triple the cost.  It is still a tiered plan and
that is totally an option.

 

My thoughts are the following:

$30/mo 768K ...Cap of 20 Gig

$40/mo 1.5M ...Cap of 40 Gig

$50/mo 3.0M ...Cap of 60 Gig

$150/mo 3.0M ...Unlimited

$1/Gig overage fee

AND any previous plan will not exceed the $150 cap.

 

If the plans won't touch 95% of the customers, there is no threat.  It
is those that are bandwidth hogs that are usually the ones that will
drop you or complain.

 

Plus, it will allow the customer to chose to move up as you suggested,
to a faster/higher cap plan.

 

Eric

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 2:39 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing

 

Marlon,

With thousands of wireless users, I think our "unlimited eat all you
want" is working quite well. And I can say we have 5 or 6 competitors
(DSL, wireless, cable, licensed Wimax, etc.) so there is no monopoly.
You are brining in $1k extra per month... but it would be interesting to
see how much "extra" time is being spent on that system... including the
billing, phone calls, tracking, analyzing, etc.

You would be better off to just "upgrade" those higher usage customers
to a more expensive monthly plan, and stop worrying about billing for
overage. You would make more "profit" each month by doing so.

Travis
Microserv


Marlon K. Schafer wrote: 

http://www.odessaoffice.com/services.html
 
We've done this for years.  Brandon Checkalets built the software that
we 
use.
 
We bill on usage.  Lowish base price, but relatively high overage fees.
We 
bill out about $1k per month in overages.
 
Our average customer does about 4 gigs per month.
 
We have lost a few customers due to this.  But they are net negative 
customers so I don't mind.  After all, there are two main goals in
business. 
One, turn a profit, two, make sure your competition doesn't.  Loosing 
someone that's pulling 20+ gigs per month certainly isn't helping my 
competition's services at all!
 
We just compare the billing mechanism to things people are already
paying as 
they go.  Stuff like gas, food, electricity, cell phone minutes,
clothes, 
water, tires, um, everything else in life!  If they are really sharp
I'll 
explain how the all you can eat all of the time only works if there is a

monopoly with artificially high prices for everyone else.
marlon
 
- Original Message - 
From: "Eric Rogers" 
<mailto:ecrog...@precisionds.com> 
To: "WISPA General List" 
<mailto:wireless@wispa.org> 
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 4:56 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Metered Billing
 
 
  

We are on the verge of changing to a metered or tiered billing
structure
with Caps that once they exceed the cap; it doesn't shut off,
but they
get charged the overage.  Netflix is getting out of control and
I don't
want to punish the customers that only use it occasionally.  I
think
they are very innovative solutions and don't want to hinder new
applications.  I just want people that download 160 GB in a
month, when
the average is nearly 10 GB a month, to pay their share for
expanding
the network.
 
 
 
Who has dabbled in the metered/tiered services and what were
your
customers responses?
 
What are your tiers?
 
Have attitudes changed toward your company as being greedy?
 
 
     
We already have everything in place to do it, just need to send
out the
le

Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing

[Eric Rogers]

What happens when the teenager starts the streaming tv on the xbox and  
a friend shows up... decides to go down the street but leaves it  
running till mom and dad gets home at 6:00 PM?  Then mom and dad  
decide to rent a movie.  To me, I am counting on over-selling the  
bandwidth and that is where the profit is.  My dynamic is changing and  
the only thing that makes sense is to pay if you use it ... more than  
normal.

I am looking for pros and cons of metered/tiered billing.  I have  
heard from many as to why they wouldn't and don't, so who is billing  
tiered and/or metered?  The questions still stand.

Eric Rogers
Precision Data Solutions, LLC
(317) 831-3000 x200

Fat-fingered from my phone!

On Nov 8, 2009, at 9:46 AM, "Jayson Baker"   
wrote:

> Not everyone uses 6Mbps all day long.
>
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 7:52 PM, RickG  wrote:
>
>> Thats one way to utilize bandwidth shaping but how do you "  
>> guaranteed
>> minimum of 1.5Mbps, 4Mbps and
>> 6Mbps" at those low rates to every use and make money? Maybe I'm  
>> wrong but
>> the problem I see is that you will end up having unhappy  
>> subscribers when
>> their expectations are not met. Thats where the premium rates can  
>> come in.
>> I
>> find people all the time who would pay more for committed speeds if  
>> it can
>> be delivered.
>>
>> BTW: Cricket Communications, subsidiary of Leap Wireless has lost  
>> money
>> since its inception and continues to do so. Give me an example of an
>> non-subsidized "all you can eat service" company in a competitive  
>> market
>> that actually makes money (bottom line).
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Jayson Baker 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ya know, we've looked at this many times over the past couple  
>>> years, and
>>> even tested it for a bit.
>>>
>>> Fact is, people like unlimited, and not having to guess.  I, myself,
>> being
>>> a
>>> fairly lite user of the Internet, would still always opt for an  
>>> unlimited
>>> plan--even if I knew my bill may be lower on a pay-per-use plan.   
>>> I have
>>> unlimited cell phone minutes, txt messages, etc.  If I could pay for
>>> unlimited utilites, I'd certainly do that too!
>>>
>>> We've got the infrastructure in place for a pay-per-use, and could
>> activate
>>> it at anytime.  We tried selling it about a year ago, and people  
>>> just
>>> didn't
>>> understand the concept.  People aren't used to it--most people got  
>>> online
>>> when Internet was $19.95/mo for dialup (or, $22.95 for AOL!), and  
>>> don't
>>> remember the 10 for $10 dial-up packages.  Nobody knows what ISDN  
>>> with
>> 300
>>> hours is.
>>>
>>> We currently offer 12Mbps service for $24.95/mo.  This makes us the
>> fastest
>>> in the area, and the cheapest.  We have local sales, support and
>>> installations.  We decided the way to win is to shape traffic--we  
>>> offer
>>> three 12Mbps packages; one with a guaranteed minimum of 1.5Mbps,  
>>> 4Mbps
>> and
>>> 6Mbps.  If you do nothing than browse, share pictures, etc. (i.e.  
>>> "normal
>>> use") you'll always see the 12Mbps.  But once you fire up a  
>>> torrent or
>>> Netflix, you only get that speed for 10 minutes--after that, you  
>>> get your
>>> guaranteed minimum.  Prices double from 1.5 to 4, and double again  
>>> going
>> to
>>> 6Mbps.  We have never had a complaint about speed or price with this
>>> structure.
>>>
>>> I'm hoping that the "big guys" do go to pay-per-use plans.  Just  
>>> one more
>>> way we can advertise and win against them.  "Tired of counting  
>>> your bits
>>> and
>>> bytes?  We're unlimited"  Look at Cricket wireless--they've just  
>>> exploded
>>> with customers on their unlimited-everything service.
>>>
>>> Just my 2 cents
>>>
>>> Jayson
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>>>
>>>> The cellular guys don't charge by the minute... I have an unlimited
>> plan
>>>> on my cell phone. I can also get unlimited text and internet  
>>>> access for
>>>> $9.95/mo extra.
>>>>
>>>> People don't want to guess what their internet bills are going to  
>&g

Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing

[Eric Rogers]

I would say that we are a little higher usage.  I'll have to run the numbers, 
but for an example, my top user right now is pulling on average 5GB per day 
this month alone.  The next 1% are 2-3G/Day and the next 2 or 3% are at the 
1G/day mark.

So definitely the top 5% are the big bandwidth hogs.

Eric



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Marco Coelho
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 6:23 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing

Here's some quick numbers off my network:

for the last 8 days
71% of customers downloaded less than 1 GByte of Data.
The top 10% all exceeded 2 GB
The top 5% all exceeded 4.4 GB
The top 1% exceeded 10 GB



Marco



On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 3:08 PM, George Morris  wrote:
> Amen. It would be a very handy thing to maintain that list of speedtest
> servers centrally somewhere, perhaps within WISPA.
>
> We don't belong to WISPA because its FCC centric which really doesn't help
> us much. Much of the dues go to getting the FCC to move in a given direction
> which isn't of much direct help for Canadian WISPs.
>
> If we had some services of this kind that were maintained by the WISPA
> team/members that would change my mind in a heartbeat.
>
> George
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike
> Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 4:01 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
>
> I have (hopefully) all the speedtest ips in the allow list.  They run
> speedtest real fast, but download video for an hour and it will
> throttle you.  Find those speedtest IPs and let em run.  Perception
> is everything.  Give them the perception they get that all the time.
>
> Mike
>
> At 12:25 PM 11/8/2009, you wrote:
>>No, but they expect to get their speed every time they get on and they are
>>great at running speed tests. I understand we are int he business of shared
>>bandwidth but the equipment can only handle so much. It goes back to proper
>>ratios. When you do the numbers properly, it doesnt make financial sense.
>>
>>On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Jayson Baker 
> wrote:
>>
>> > Not everyone uses 6Mbps all day long.
>> >
>> > On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 7:52 PM, RickG  wrote:
>> >
>> > > Thats one way to utilize bandwidth shaping but how do you " guaranteed
>> > > minimum of 1.5Mbps, 4Mbps and
>> > > 6Mbps" at those low rates to every use and make money? Maybe I'm wrong
>> > but
>> > > the problem I see is that you will end up having unhappy subscribers
> when
>> > > their expectations are not met. Thats where the premium rates can come
>> > in.
>> > > I
>> > > find people all the time who would pay more for committed speeds if it
>> > can
>> > > be delivered.
>> > >
>> > > BTW: Cricket Communications, subsidiary of Leap Wireless has lost
> money
>> > > since its inception and continues to do so. Give me an example of an
>> > > non-subsidized "all you can eat service" company in a competitive
> market
>> > > that actually makes money (bottom line).
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Jayson Baker 
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Ya know, we've looked at this many times over the past couple years,
>> > and
>> > > > even tested it for a bit.
>> > > >
>> > > > Fact is, people like unlimited, and not having to guess.  I, myself,
>> > > being
>> > > > a
>> > > > fairly lite user of the Internet, would still always opt for an
>> > unlimited
>> > > > plan--even if I knew my bill may be lower on a pay-per-use plan.  I
>> > have
>> > > > unlimited cell phone minutes, txt messages, etc.  If I could pay for
>> > > > unlimited utilites, I'd certainly do that too!
>> > > >
>> > > > We've got the infrastructure in place for a pay-per-use, and could
>> > > activate
>> > > > it at anytime.  We tried selling it about a year ago, and people
> just
>> > > > didn't
>> > > > understand the concept.  People aren't used to it--most people got
>> > online
>> > > > when Internet was $19.95/mo for dialup (or, $22.95 for AOL!), and
> don't
>> > > > remember the 10 for $10 dial-up packages.  Nobody knows what ISDN
> with
>> > > 300
>> > > > hours is.
>> > > >
>> > > > We currently offer 12Mbps service for $24.95/mo.  This makes us the
>> > > fastest
>> > > > in the area, and the cheapest.  We have local sales, support and
>> > > > installations.  We decided the way to win is to shape traffic--we
> offer
>> > > > three 12Mbps packages; one with a guaranteed minimum of 1.5Mbps,
> 4Mbps
>> > > and
>> > > > 6Mbps.  If you do nothing than browse, share pictures, etc. (i.e.
>> > "normal
>> > > > use") you'll always see the 12Mbps.  But once you fire up a torrent
> or
>> > > > Netflix, you only get that speed for 10 minutes--after that, you get
>> > your
>> > > > guaranteed minimum.  Prices double from 1.5 to 4, and double again
>> > going
>> > > to
>> > > > 6Mbps.  We have never had a complaint about speed or price with this
>> 

Re: [WISPA] Cisco 2610

[Eric Rogers]

This config is actually off of a Cisco 2610.  This router has a Dual WIC
and a Single WIC.  The Single was the default gateway to another
location that housed our internet connection.  The dual WIC was later
used for a bonded T1 solution.  We had 4 bonded T1s before we switched
to fiber.

I have several more configs if you need.

Thanks,

Eric

Start-
version 12.2
service timestamps debug uptime
service timestamps log uptime
no service password-encryption
!
hostname PDS_Router
!
enable secret 5 REMOVED
enable password REMOVED
!
ip subnet-zero
!
!
no ip domain-lookup
!
call rsvp-sync
!
!
!
!
!
!
# Dual WIC Port 0/0
controller T1 0/0
 framing esf
 linecode b8zs
 channel-group 0 timeslots 1-24
!
# Dual WIC Port 0/1
controller T1 0/1
 framing esf
 linecode b8zs
 channel-group 0 timeslots 1-24
!
!
!
interface FastEthernet0/0
 ip address REMOVED 255.255.255.224 secondary
 ip address REMOVED 255.255.255.224 secondary
 ip address REMOVED 255.255.255.0
 no ip mroute-cache
 speed 100
 full-duplex
!
# WIC 0:0 - Double WIC Port 0
interface Serial0/0:0
 no ip address
 encapsulation frame-relay IETF
 no keepalive
!
# WIC 0:1 - Double WIC Port 1
interface Serial0/1:0
 no ip address
 encapsulation frame-relay IETF
 no keepalive
!
# WIC 1:0 - Single WIC card to feed remote router
interface Serial0/2
 description connected to Internet
 ip address REMOVED 255.255.255.252
 ip access-group 101 in
 no ip unreachables
 no ip proxy-arp
 no ip mroute-cache
 ntp disable
 no fair-queue
 service-module t1 remote-alarm-enable
!
ip classless
ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 Serial0/2
no ip http server
!
access-list 101 deny   udp any any eq snmp
access-list 101 deny   udp any any eq snmptrap
access-list 101 deny   tcp any any eq telnet
access-list 101 deny   ip 192.168.0.0 0.0.255.255 any
access-list 101 deny   ip 127.0.0.0 0.255.255.255 any
access-list 101 deny   ip 255.0.0.0 0.255.255.255 any
access-list 101 deny   ip 224.0.0.0 7.255.255.255 any
access-list 101 deny   ip host 0.0.0.0 any
access-list 101 permit ip any any
dialer-list 1 protocol ip permit
dialer-list 1 protocol ipx permit
snmp-server community REMOVED RO
snmp-server enable traps tty
!
dial-peer cor custom
!
!
!
!
line con 0
line aux 0
line vty 0 4
 password REMOVED
 login
!
end


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of support
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 1:30 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Cisco 2610

Gang,

OT:I need some help in setting up a T1.  I have a Cisco 2610 with 
WIC 1 DSU T1.  I am not a cisco guy.  Can anyone send me to a sample 
config file or something?  T1 is to qwest for internet access. 

Jason




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Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

[Eric Rogers]

We currently use DC power supplies, but non-redundant
http://www.solaheviduty.com/products/powersupplies/sdp.htm.  We use
terminal strips to distribute the power.  For us to change, we just
replace the power supplies with this...
http://www.solaheviduty.com/products/powersupplies/sdnpred.htm.  That
has the rectifiers and diodes in place with LED status indicators to
show the status of the power.  Then you can put them in parallel and put
2 UPSs in place for failure and surge suppression.

Eric


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 10:18 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

My experience has been less then perfect with APC.  The 19" rack ones
have
been pretty good but the small 7 amp, 11 amp, tiny desktop models have
gone
bad on me.  Those units die way too often =/

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

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On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 10:02 AM, Faisal Imtiaz
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Depending on how your sites are designed, APC makes a Dual Feed AC
swtich
> for this purpose.
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
> Behalf Of Gino Villarini
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?
>
> We have a reason for this, we design our sites with dual power work
ease of
> work ...Side A and Side B.  Side A is connected to the UPS Plant, Side
B to
> Utility.  In Case Of UPS failure, we are not out.
>
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
>
> 
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
> Behalf Of Blair Davis
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 1:44 AM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?
>
>
>
> Yes, you could do this
>
> You will need to pick the right diode for the job.
>
> But what brings this on?
>
> I've had almost no PS failures that were not part of some major
damage.
> (lightning, power co. problem...  480V on 110V line)
>
> If you are having many PS failures, you might look at the load vs the
PS
> rating.  Don't forget the radio cards...
>
>
>
> CHUCK PROFITO wrote:
>
> OK guys, don't LOL, I'm just a farm boy, but...
> Why couldn't you put two power supplies together into one plug, then
if one
> failed the other would do full duty. Would a diode inline on both stop
a
> possible transformer shorting the other out or draining  the power
from the
> good one?
> Can that work?
>
> Chuck Profito
> 209-988-7388
> CV-ACCESS, INC
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Providing High Speed Broadband
> to Rural Central California
>
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:26 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?
>
> Why not use two power supplies, one on the dc jack and the other on
the poe
> connection? -RickG
>
> On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 7:59 PM, Gino Villarini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   wrote:
>
>
>Hello all
>
>Im looking for a way to add redundant power to my mikrotik
routers
> at
>the towers,  The routers have a DC jack, so im looking for
options..
>
>Anything available? Or would I have to make my own?
>
>Gino A. Villarini
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Re: [WISPA] Solar controller - snmp or serial?

[Eric Rogers]

Have you considered serial extenders?  Then you can centrally monitor
them all?

Lantronix.com

Eric Rogers
Precision Data Solutions, LLC
(317) 831-3000 x200



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Randy Cosby
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 11:20 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Solar controller - snmp or serial?

I'm planning to upgrade from a 30 to 60 amp solar controller soon on one

of our sites when we add more panels / batteries.  This time I'd like to

make sure I get a good, remotely-monitorable (is that a word?) unit.  
Any recommendations? 

Morningstar Tristar 60 looks good, but I'm not sure yet if the serial 
console will actually work with anything other than their windows 
software.  I'd like to be able to hook this up to a mikrotik or cisco 
serial port to remotely monitor amps in / out, etc. 

Thanks!

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Re: [WISPA] Cisco VLAN help

[Eric Rogers]

Try a "show interface fastethernet x/y switchport" and see what is the
status of the port and that trunking VLANs enabled are also trunking
VLANs active.

 

Eric

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 5:17 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cisco VLAN help

 

Hi,

By default, when doing the switchport mode trunk, all VLAN's are allowed
(I even issued the command "switchport trunk allowed vlan all" and it
did not display on the sho conf afterward).

Travis
Microserv

Patrick Shoemaker wrote: 

Travis Johnson wrote:
  

Hi,
 
I need some Cisco switch VLAN help.
 
I currently have about 60 Cisco 3500 series switches connected
via the 
GBIC ports all in a ring configuration with spanning tree. I am
trying 
to setup a VLAN for a customer between two of the FastEthernet
ports so 
they can connect their offices. I have port 5 on each switch
setup in 
VLAN105 and every GBIC port on all the switches setup as
trunking ports. 
There are 17 other cisco switches between these two.
 
I have this setup between two other offices, but they are
directly 
connected to each other, with no other switches in between.
 
What am I missing?
 
Travis
Microserv
 
 



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Is each trunk port in the path set to forward the VLAN with command:
 
switchport trunk allowed vlan xxx
 
A sh int for an example trunk and access port would be handy.
 
  



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Re: [WISPA] tower erection question

[Eric Rogers]

That seems awful cheap to me...I would expect at least $50k or more.  A
200' self-supporting tower cost me about $65k and I did all of the leg
work.

If you have a tower crew, I would expect $15k for labor, $2000 for
earthwork, and I don't know the concrete requirements so maybe $1000,
$3000-5000 for fencing, $7000 for lighting, $5k for paperwork and
variances (don't forget to notify the FAA, EPA, and some Indian
preservation group).  I figure roughly $33k just for construction.  That
is not including a building and steel (tower price).  The paperwork is
the hardest part to get completed.  It isn't hard work, just busy work.

Thanks,

Eric Rogers
Precision Data Solutions, LLC
(317) 831-3000 x200

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Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 3:21 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower erection question

So more or less a turn key tower?


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Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 10:22 AM
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Subject: [WISPA] tower erection question

> Ok, pretty general question I know, but does anyone have a ball park
> figure for erection of a 300' Rohn 65G - earthwork, steel and
> construction?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Chris
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Re: [WISPA] tower erection question

[Eric Rogers]

It looks like we are saying the same thing, just differently...I said
foundation and tower construction would be roughly $17-20k.  My
guestimate was for a turn-key, you provide the tower sections and when
it is complete, your antennas are in the air.  I re-read his email and
it was only for tower construction, earthwork, and steel, not for the
remainder services (though they are required for a 300' tower).

Respectfully,

Eric Rogers
Precision Data Solutions, LLC
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:07 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower erection question

A self supporting tower is more expensive to install sue to base
requirements and construction techniques. When I quoted installation
pricing I was quoting concrete and steel. I am not talking about zoning,
fencing, shelters, or the cost of lighting systems. The number I quoted
is foundation with anchor points and putting steel up. Most crews with a
gin pole can raise 300' of 65G in 3 days. We are not talking rocket
science here. And will probably do it with 3 guys. So  3 Guys x 5
days x $800 per man is $12K. Add another $3 -$5K for foundation.

$20K MAYBE

Its only 65G

Bob 
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-Original Message-----
From: "Eric Rogers" 

Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 07:36:37 
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower erection question


That seems awful cheap to me...I would expect at least $50k or more.  A
200' self-supporting tower cost me about $65k and I did all of the leg
work.

If you have a tower crew, I would expect $15k for labor, $2000 for
earthwork, and I don't know the concrete requirements so maybe $1000,
$3000-5000 for fencing, $7000 for lighting, $5k for paperwork and
variances (don't forget to notify the FAA, EPA, and some Indian
preservation group).  I figure roughly $33k just for construction.  That
is not including a building and steel (tower price).  The paperwork is
the hardest part to get completed.  It isn't hard work, just busy work.

Thanks,

Eric Rogers
Precision Data Solutions, LLC
(317) 831-3000 x200

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 3:21 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower erection question

So more or less a turn key tower?


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Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 10:22 AM
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Subject: [WISPA] tower erection question

> Ok, pretty general question I know, but does anyone have a ball park
> figure for erection of a 300' Rohn 65G - earthwork, steel and
> construction?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Chris
>
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Re: [WISPA] RIP

[Eric Rogers]

Do you use anything else (Cisco, Mikrotik, StarOS)?  You might be able
to translate OSPF to the RIP where needed, or don't route the legacy
stuff and put something before it that does it.  I also second, third,
or fourth (don't know how many people chimed it as of yet) OSPF.  There
are others (BGP, IGRP, EIGRP) that have benefits as well, but with most
networks, OSPF would suffice.

Eric


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Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 8:19 AM
To: e...@wisp-router.com; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP

Yeah, about the only thing we run into where we need it is with old
Nortel
gear.  RIP RIP 1,2,3.

Jeff
ImageStream 

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Behalf Of e...@wisp-router.com
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 1:30 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP

Good to talk with legacy products. For a "new" network use OSPF. 

/Eje
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Subject: [WISPA] RIP
Sent: Dec 18, 2008 23:13

Anyone using RIP? Thoughts?
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Re: [WISPA] RIP

[Eric Rogers]

Is the slowness on older routers?  Do you have any that are the AH
boards that are more than 400 MHz?  Have you watched the processor from
before RIP to after?  Could be that the updates are overwhelming the
older boards.

Eric

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Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 1:24 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP

My network is currently mostly WRAP boards running StarOS. As I do
maintenence, repairs, or expand new towers, I am adding Routerboards
running MT. I turned up a new Mikrotik Firewall several weeks ago.
The real reason for my question is that we turn on RIP several weeks
ago and the network seems slower.
-RickG

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 1:49 AM, Butch Evans 
wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 00:13 -0500, RickG wrote:
>> Anyone using RIP? Thoughts?
>
> If you wish to build a NEW dynamic routing based network, use OSPF if
> you can.  If you are integrating a legacy network that is already
> running RIP, then it works, but there's a reason that NEW dynamic
> routing technologies were created.
>
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Re: [WISPA] [isp-wireless] FM radio station site strangeness

[Eric Rogers]

Why can't you bundle the positive and negative DC/AC up with the fiber.
I have seen fiber with conductive copper for just that reason.  That way
the phone companies can power the CPE on FTTH deployments without
worrying about the customer's power being out.

 

If you run the conductive wires, use an AC/AC (24v or so for example),
then get an AC/DC converter to put at the top, and put everything in an
enclosure at the top.

 

 

 



From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 11:48 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [isp-wireless] FM radio station site strangeness

 

You run both. CAT5 to carry just the power and fiber to carry the data.
We just did this exact thing with our Trango APEX 18ghz radios at our FM
repeater. Worked perfectly. (Of course, that radio was made to handle
fiber already, so it was pretty easy).

Travis
Microserv

Marlon K. Schafer wrote: 

Yeah.  How do you run poe over the fiber?
marlon
 
- Original Message - 
From:   
To: "WISPA General List" 
 
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [isp-wireless] FM radio station site strangeness
 
 
  

Is using fiber-optic cable out of the question?
 
Greg
 
On Jan 9, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 


Thanks Mike,
 
The change to 10 meg half doesn't help.  In fact, most
devices won't
connect
at all then.
 
The worst part is that the most expensive gear is most
effected by
this!  ug
 
I have installed ferrite beads that do indeed help.
Apryl can get
you the
contact info and part number.  509.982.2181
 
The shielded cable from Shierene just came in.  And I
have
permission to
move to the other side of the building.  When the snow
melts and the
ground
firms up I'll rebuild the entire site.  The radio
station has a new
transmitter since I first went into the site and another
tenant
recently
left.  I have more location options now than I did
before.
 
Yesterday I did some testing with a Fluke DTX.  It's a
crazy meter.
Checks
just about everything.  As it well should for $7000.
Know what it
doesn't
check very well though?  Inductive RF.  gr  There is
one test that
showed some problems though.  It's called an inductive
pulse.
Readings at
another tower I have (and the tech support guy at Fluke)
were 0.
This tower
had a reading of nearly 3000!  Fluke is supposed to
find out
what an
acceptable level would be and send that info to me.
I've not heard
from
them yet though.  The tech's guess was around 30mV.
 
I did think it strange that when I tested my cable with
a volt meter
(one
end to ground, the other to the connectors on the cat5)
I was
picking up 2
to 3 volts on each pin.  That pretty well seems to line
up with the
3000mV
reading from the fluke!
 
This site has always been a source of grief for me.
Must less
reliable than
nearly any other I have, no matter what equipment is
used.  I always
thought
it was due to all of the other operators in the area
(one's been
fined by
the FCC for using illegal amps etc.) doing silly things.
Though
nothing
THAT bad has ever showed up on my analyzer.  I always
thought it was
something that only the customer end could see (couldn't
find that
on the
analyzer either though).  Maybe my problem has always
been the radio
station
stuff.  Wouldn't that be great?  FINALLY, a network
reliable enough
to allow
me to take a vacation.  grin
 
laters,
marlon
 
- Original Message -
From: "Mike Cowan"

 
To: 
 
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 1:40 AM
Subject: RE: [isp-wireless] FM radio station site
strangeness
 
 

Re: [WISPA] www.att.com/towers

[Eric Rogers]

I priced space for 3 sectors and 2 backhauls.  They wanted $1600/mo.  I
built my own tower next to it... ;)

Eric

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Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 10:34 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] www.att.com/towers

I would only assume they are, but has anyone worked with them before?


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Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 12:23 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] www.att.com/towers

> No,
> I just thought it was interesting that all of their tower locations
are
> listed.
>
> I did not know they are as bad or worse than American Tower.
>
>
>
> __
> Jerry Richardson
> airCloud Communications
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 9:26 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] www.att.com/towers
>
> Ever price them?
> -RickG
>
> On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Jerry Richardson
>  wrote:
>> FYI 
>>
>> www.att.com/towers
>>
>>
>>
>> Jerry Richardson
>> VP Operations
>> 925-260-4119
>> P Please consider the environment before printing this email
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Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

[Eric Rogers]

We did something similar with the pivot Dewalt flashlight.  Since we use the 
18v drills, it worked perfectly.  Took the flashlight part off, and left the 
handle with the switch.  Connected a cat5 keystone jack...whittled out the hole 
where the flashlight head used to be.  Now we have a handle with a keystone 
sticking out the top.  If we want to power a Motorola, we use a straight 
through cable.  If we power Mikrotik, we use a short 2" jumper with a keystone 
at one end (reverse the power blue/brown pairs) so it is a Male Female 
extension.  I don't have pictures, but with Moto, just power the unit with 
headphones for a site-survey...Takes like 10 minutes if that.  Not lugging 
computers around.  AMAZING!!!

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Ryan Spott
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 6:04 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

http://tranzeofaq.com/images/site_survey/images/

ryan

On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Eje Gustafsson  wrote:
> Look it got my Name on it even... =) Love it...
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 4:34 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt
>
> Look at the picture better.  It says patent pending.
>
> Zoomed in:
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00079-20100108-1502-zoom.jpg
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
> --- Albert Einstein
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Eje Gustafsson  wrote:
>
>> Ryobi one plus have a battery tester that would be simple to modify for
>> this
>> very thing. I think they are less than $15 at HD.
>>
>> It's a cool idea now why didn't I think of that I love my Ryobi One+ tools
>> ;) I better run and file the patent before Josh does for this cool new
>> Ryobi
>> One+ accessory as well preventing Milwakiu and Dewalt users from making a
>> similar for their batteries ;)
>>
>> / Eje
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
>> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:10 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt
>>
>> Josh,
>>
>> Really cool. What a great idea to get a radio aligned and tested, BEFORE
>> the
>>
>> indoor CAT5 is finished.  How did you make the connector that the Battery
>> fit into? Or did you sabatage an old charger/drill?
>>
>> Truthfully though for reoccuring maintenance, I'd rather use the Power
>> supply that is already in the customers home, with a passive temp junction
>> box the majority of the time. Then I dont have to guess, check, or keep
>> track whether the MT SBC that is inside the enclosure is configured for <
>> 20v, 24V, or 48V.  Its qwicker to just plug in, then to verify config and
>> then plug-in.  Sure if someone is back in the office, its a quick call to
>> find out, but taht is not always the case.
>>
>> Tom DeReggi
>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt
>>
>>
>> > Tom,
>> >
>> > Problem solved:
>> > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00079-20100108-1502.jpg
>> > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00081-20100108-1503.jpg
>> >
>> > That's a 24v power supply.  Works with Trango/Canopy ptmp stuff (RP) and
>> > Mikrotik/Nanostations (the other way on the switch)
>> >
>> > Josh Luthman
>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> > 1100 Wayne St
>> > Suite 1337
>> > Troy, OH 45373
>> >
>> > "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
>> > --- Albert Einstein
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Tom DeReggi
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> What we'd really like to see if a 411 style board with a second
> Ethernet
>> >> port.
>> >>
>> >> There is good reason for that.
>> >> 1) 433 boards dont fit in most Rootenna style or very low cost cases
>> >> 2) There is a big cost different between 433Ah and basic 411, if
> serving
>> >> residential.
>> >>
>> >> 3) The second Etherenet port is needed for Maintenance.
>> >>    a) When residential home owner is not home, to access the CPE.
>> >> Provider's tech works days, Customer home at night :-(.
>> >>            Its so much quicker to plug in tech laptop plug directly to
>> >> second ethernet port, than to run extention cords, new AC power source,
>> >> and
>> >> no need to risk damaging a working POE Ethernet port 1 all sealed up
> and
>> >> functioning.
>> >>    b) When initial install and alignment is done, it can be done
> easilly
>> >> with Laptop right there at radio, without going inside and getting
>> >> distracted by customer.
>> >>
>> >>   c) We want a case t

Re: [WISPA] Semi-OT Cisco PoE

[Eric Rogers]

I do have some of those if you need some.  I used to have 50 or so.  Now
I think I have a dozen that are still new, and a dozen that are used/out
of box.  If you are interested, let me know.  Otherwise they will still
sit on the shelf.

Eric

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 11:58 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Semi-OT Cisco PoE

I believe I need a AIR-PWRINJ3 PoE injector for a Cisco 7960 phone.
Would anything we use be an appropriate replacement?


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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Re: [WISPA] Rocket M2 Dish

[Eric Rogers]

The only dual-pol antenna I found was
http://www.hol4g.com/ac/product.aspx?number=RWS-SPD2-2.4NS&p=171423&sc=3
557.  Is UBNT on these forums?  Do they have any prototypes to test
with?  We have a project as Andy stated that we need to get a link up
quickly (month or so) to a school.  5.X is already busy and they need
something capable of 20 Meg (10 each way).  It is in the country, but
the tower that will feed them is full of 5.X GHz.

Suggestions?

Eric

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Andy Trimmell
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 11:17 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Rocket M2 Dish

Does anyone know of a distributor for Rocket M2 Dish? The part number is
in the manual but I've yet to find anyone that has any. Any information
would help.

 

Andy Trimmell - Network Administrator

Precision Data Solutions, LLC

atrimm...@precisionds.com

317.831.3000

http://www.pdswireless.com

 





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Re: [WISPA] Rope for sale

[Eric Rogers]

Blake,

It might be good to attach a picture of the rope, as it matters to us as well 
if it is braided or twisted.

Eric

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of RickG
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 12:00 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rope for sale

Twisted or braided?

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Blake Bowers  wrote:
> As I do not normally sell rope, but this is a great deal for the benefit of
> WISP's, I hope that this posting one time will be acceptable.
>
> If not, please state my punishment so I can take it like a man.
>
>
> ROPE FOR SALE
>
> I have about 300 rolls available of 3/8 propylene rope.  1200 foot on a
> roll,
> all NOS - in original shipping boxes on spools.
>
> This can be had in black or in that special yellow.  (Everyone knows how
> special
> yellow rope is, sort of like a yellow housecat...)
>
> Tug with it, pull with it, lift with it, tag with it.  Works great.
>
> Did I mention it was NEW old stock?
>
> Now - the best part.  $100.00 per roll.  Can you believe the madness?  How
> can
> he sell it so low you ask?  Cause it's crazy Blakes, and we are positively
> INSANE!
>
> We can even offer quanity discounts at over 20 rolls.
>
> Shipping will be from the actual shipping quote - or you can pick up - or I
> can
> deliver if you are in my forecast travels (pretty much only in Missouri and
> Oklahoma this month).  You can also buy the rope and just abandon it
> also
>
> Rope is located in southern Missouri.
>
> Pictures are available in case you have not seen such rope before.
>
> Payment is via paypal upon order of rope.
>
> Please reply to bl...@frostytowers.com for timely reply, or 417-293-0773
>
> *
>
> Legal warning.  Use of such rope demands proper training in its handling,
> storage, care, and use.  Failure to have that knowledge does not constitute
> failure on our part to warn you or to prepare you for the ownership of such
> rope.  Although use of rope as a sexual aid is done, we are not suggesting
> that it be used as such, nor are we suggesting that you do not use it as
> such.  Practice safe rope.  Peeing up a rope is still not suggested in any
> way.  Use of this rope as a end to it all is never suggested.  This rope is
> NOT suitable for pushing UP a tower.  Your mileage may vary, void where
> prohibited, do not remove tag under penalty of law.
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Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?

[Eric Rogers]

We have been testing mini-box.com's little toys.  They are Atom
processors, but with a SATA DOM, dual core 1.6GHz Atom, 3 GB Ether
add-on (total of 4 GB ports), we have been able to keep them right at
the $200 mark.  We just implemented our first one this week.  So far, so
good.  The true test is the heat of the summer in some of these
enclosures.  None are vented, but the sites are kept less than 90*.

For $200, I can stock many on the shelf for lightning replacements.  I
am really worried more about the heat.

Eric


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Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:19 PM
To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?

All of those are steps down from his current P4 based system. The only 
way to get more performance is to build your own X86 system.

Travis
Microserv

can...@believewireless.net wrote:
> A RB450G should be fine for what you need.  Or use an RB493AH if you
> need more ports.  If you can wait a couple months, the new RB1100 is
> coming out which looks pretty sweet.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?

[Eric Rogers]

I must eat crow... I am horrible at addition and subtraction... 4 years
of calculus and you would think I could at least add.  Sorry, I forgot I
used a USB dongle I already had in my original calculation, thinking it
was near $200, but is was $250.  Complete system $286, and with
quantities, I am sure it will come down.

$69 - M350 Enclosure with PSU and Power Adapter
$109 - Jetway NC92-N330 1.6 Dual Atom
$49 - Jetway 3 X Gigabit LAN
$29 - 1 GB Memory
$39 - 1 GB SATA DOM
--
$286

I have also built basically the same as above, but an Intel D945GCLF
(Single Core Intel chipset) for about the same.
 
$69 - M350 Enclosure with PSU (unneeded) and Power Adapter
$69 - Motherboard
$9 - Riser Card
$29 - 1 GB Memory
$10 - USB Flash Drive
$99 - RB44G (or 4 port Ethernet card)
-
$285

Eric




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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 11:51 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?

Care to share your parts list? I can't seem to put everything together 
for less than $200... and I'd love to test one of these.

Travis
Microserv

Eric Rogers wrote:
> We have been testing mini-box.com's little toys.  They are Atom
> processors, but with a SATA DOM, dual core 1.6GHz Atom, 3 GB Ether
> add-on (total of 4 GB ports), we have been able to keep them right at
> the $200 mark.  We just implemented our first one this week.  So far,
so
> good.  The true test is the heat of the summer in some of these
> enclosures.  None are vented, but the sites are kept less than 90*.
>
> For $200, I can stock many on the shelf for lightning replacements.  I
> am really worried more about the heat.
>
> Eric
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:19 PM
> To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?
>
> All of those are steps down from his current P4 based system. The only

> way to get more performance is to build your own X86 system.
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> can...@believewireless.net wrote:
>   
>> A RB450G should be fine for what you need.  Or use an RB493AH if you
>> need more ports.  If you can wait a couple months, the new RB1100 is
>> coming out which looks pretty sweet.
>>
>>
>>
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] 700mhz Wimax

[Eric Rogers]

Didn't you have to put an equipment vendor/model to obtain the license?
I don't know if you will have to re-apply if you change vendors.

I would look at Motorola, but that is a biased opinion.

Eric


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Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 10:40 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] 700mhz Wimax

Aside from Airspan, can any suggest a manufacturer that produces 700mhz 
Wimax equipment? We own several licenses.

Trolling salesmen and vendors, feel free to contact me offlist.

-Eric




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Re: [WISPA] 700mhz Wimax

[Eric Rogers]

Sorry...Didn't read it well enough...Please dis-regard.  I assumed 3.65
because of all the previous conversation!!!

Eric

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Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 10:40 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] 700mhz Wimax

Aside from Airspan, can any suggest a manufacturer that produces 700mhz 
Wimax equipment? We own several licenses.

Trolling salesmen and vendors, feel free to contact me offlist.

-Eric




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[WISPA] E-Rate Information

[Eric Rogers]

Ok... I have a question about eRate.  We have been providing service to
a school corporation at a discounted rate (because they are a school)
and now they are requesting that we become e-rate so the government pays
part.  They are also looking at increasing the bandwidth as well.  I am
thinking that would be a good time to apply for e-rate and increase
rates back to where they should be so the school gets a discount still,
but we are paid for our services.

 

Are there any downfalls to signing up and getting a SPIN?  I don't think
this will increase my ability to get schools/libraries.  I am a bit
concerned that becoming e-rate, I must collect USF fees or something
like that.

 

Any feedback or discussion is welcome as I am still on the fence.

 

Thanks,

 

Eric




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Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements

[Eric Rogers]

Jack,

 

Who do I contact to get on the list?  I am like 5 miles from one of the
TDWR radar sites.  We are using Motorola 5.4 with 9.5 so it supposedly
has more updated signatures.  I would rather get on the list voluntarily
than they find me.

 

Eric

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 2:00 PM
To: nstooke...@wisperisp.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements

 

The FAA and NTIA want all outdoor operators to 1) verify if within 35
km, 2) if within 35 km, register your equipment and contact information
in a (voluntary) database so they know who to contact if there is an
interference problem, and 3) use channels that are more than 30 MHz away
from the single-frequency that the nearby TDWR uses. 

jack


Nathan Stooke wrote: 

Hello,
 
So in those areas they want no 5.2 or 5.4 at all or only in the
already blocked out part of the 5.4 band?
 
Thanks
 
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Webster
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 9:53 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements
 
And here is a Google Earth file for the areas they want protected around
these radar sites.
 
 
 
Thank You,
Brian Webster
 
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 9:01 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_Doppler_Weather_Radar
 
Attached is a map of TDWR locations in the United States. From what I
read
the radar has a range of 460 kilometers.
 
Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com
 
 
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blair Davis
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 3:26 AM
To: wa4...@arrl.net; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements
 
A thing to note...
 
All these enforcement actions were taken because of interference with
licensed users
 
Lessons I get from them...
 
1) Stay off the 5.4GHz band
2) Keep your EIRP down
3) Check your installations for out of band emissions.
 
 
 
Leon D. Zetekoff wrote:
  

Was going through recent enforcement actions and came across
these:
 
http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-296094A1.html
 
http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-290776A1.html
 
http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-290775A1.html
 
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happen.
 
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[WISPA] Postfix/Dovecot Experts

[Eric Rogers]

I have a CentOS box that uses LDAP to authenticate my POP3/IMAP/SMTP
queries to my Active Directory server.  I am having problems with the
SMTP side.  It works, but people are complaining it is slow, like 30
seconds to 60 seconds for the sending/authentication to happen.  I don't
see anything in the logs, but if anyone is familiar with Postfix using
PAM/LDAP, please hit me offlist.  I am looking for ideas for logging
levels and/or troubleshooting advice.

 

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Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates?

[Eric Rogers]

I will second that.  We are a reseller as well and we had someone that had 
purchased one on e-Bay that called us about renewal.  When we called Barracuda 
to re-up it, when we gave them the serial number, they knew it was on ebay and 
had disabled the unit.  They have people that actively watch those sites and 
disable them as they find them.

Eric

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Justin Wilson
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:01 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates?

Last I knew you could not buy a Barracuda second hand and get updates.
One of the sucky things about their policies.

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> - Original Message -
> From: "Gino Villarini" 
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> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 8:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Barracuda Updates?
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>> Can you help out?
>>
>> I got a 4 year old 300 unit, IIRC we bought it 2nd hand.  We need to
>> renovate the updates subscription, Barracuda would not allow it without
>> a hefty ($3500+) Hardware Replacement Subscription
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> 787.273.4143
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of KosiNet Wireless
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 8:25 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Barracuda Updates?
>>
>> We are as well.
>>
>> -Gary-
>>
>> ga...@kingoffice.com
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "David E. Smith" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 5:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Barracuda Updates?
>>
>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 16:04, Gino Villarini 
>> wrote:
>>>
 Anyone here a reseller of Barracuda for Annual Updates?

>>>
>>> I believe Mac Dearman still is a Barracuda reseller, as well as a
>> WISPA
>>> member. Here's his Web site:
>>> http://inetsouth.com/
>>>
>>> David Smith
>>> MVN.net
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Postfix/Dovecot Experts

[Eric Rogers]

Ok... I fixed it.  We were using PAM using LDAP for the authentication
for SMTP and just LDAP for Dovecot (imap/pop3).  I found an article on
how to set SMTP to use Dovecot as the authentication source for email so
I just change the LDAP settings in one place.

http://www.linuxmail.info/postfix-smtp-auth-dovecot-sasl/

That sped my lookups up when the "auth" line goes through, instead of
being 30 seconds to more than a minute to less than a second.

Thanks for all the input, but I thought I would pass it along that it
was fixed.

I did check and I am not using any RBLs, the failure was on the
authentication.  I did check DNS entries and made sure everything is
going through successfully.

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Precision Data Solutions, LLC
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 12:28 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Postfix/Dovecot Experts

On that note, does anyone have a website or listing of defunct DNSBL's
or any defunct blacklists? Would be nice if you could sign up for some
kind of warning via email or whatever.

Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: Kristian Hoffmann 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:15:56 -0700

>Are you using a DNSBL that doesn't work anymore or that is blocking
you?
>Is the delay before or after the banner, and if after, at what point?
>Have you tried doing an SMTP session by hand with telnet to see where
>the delay is?
>
>-Kristian
>
>
>On Mon, 2010-03-22 at 16:33 -0400, Eric Rogers wrote:
>> I have a CentOS box that uses LDAP to authenticate my POP3/IMAP/SMTP
>> queries to my Active Directory server.  I am having problems with the
>> SMTP side.  It works, but people are complaining it is slow, like 30
>> seconds to 60 seconds for the sending/authentication to happen.  I
don't
>> see anything in the logs, but if anyone is familiar with Postfix
using
>> PAM/LDAP, please hit me offlist.  I am looking for ideas for logging
>> levels and/or troubleshooting advice.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Eric
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Does anybody have any ideas?

[Eric Rogers]

Is there a reason you are using Pseudobridge?  You will not be able to
pass any MAC addresses behind the Station (CPE/Slave), it MAC NATs.
Change to WDS instead and see if your problems go away.  It is better to
have a layer 2 bridge and deal with the broadcasts at each site.

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 1:46 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Does anybody have any ideas?

Thanks for the interest in helping here is the info:

Site A
RB532A board
AR5212 chip
v3.30 OS
Running as an AP Bridge
Running WDS and Nstreme

Site B to Site A
RB133 board
A5413 chip
v3.30 OS
Running as Station WDS
Running WDS and Nstreme

Site B to Site C
RB532A board
AR5413 chip
v3.30 OS
Running as an AP Bridge
Running Nstreme (not WDS)

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RB532A
AR5413 chip
v3.30 OS
Running as station pseudobridge
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