Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Fwd: Re: Puerto Rico assistance
Puerto Ricans are U.S. citizens.
The Internet is "critical infrastructure".
Is there anything that WISPA can do in
Washington D.C. to "remind" the FCC, FEMA and DHS of these facts
and light a fire under their butts?
jack
On 9/27/2017 7:20 PM, Gino A. Villarini
wrote:
We are in touch with FEMA and DHS… but no help…
From: <members-boun...@wispa.org> on
behalf of Michael Meluskey <m...@broadband.vi>
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Date: Wednesday,
September 27, 2017 at 3:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA
Members] Fwd: Re: [WISPA] Puerto Rico assistance
Hi Guys,
Broadband VI is in a similar predicament as
Gino. We had double the pleasure, Irma for St. Thomas and
St. John, Maria for St. Croix.
We are taking advantage of private relief
aircraft for our critical material.
Since Aeronet is critical infrastructure, FEMA
and DHS have people dedicated to helping Telcos. Gino
needs to find these people and have them ship down the
gear he needs.
Mike Meluskey
Broadband VI
Gino A. Villarini
President
Metro
Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo,
Puerto Rico 00968
On Sep 27, 2017, at 3:31 PM, Jack Unger <jun...@ask-wi.com>
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Re: [WISPA] Puerto Rico
assistance
Date:
Tue, 26 Sep 2017 23:03:07 -0400
From:
Brian Webster
Reply-To:
WISPA General List
To:
'WISPA General List'
Daniel,
I am heading
up the WECAT response for this. Please send
me an email to bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com.
Gino Villarini is a large WISP on the island
who has requested help. The problem is
logistics right now. His replacement
equipment is still stateside and we are
working on ways to get it to him. He has
asked that I coordinate the manpower
resources and response. There are no
scheduled commercial flights to the island
yet. Until he gets the equipment there,.
Having people show up is not prudent. He is
working on a detailed manpower list for me
once that equipment hits the island.
Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
www.Broadband-Mapping.com
Re: [WISPA] SpaceX founder files with government to provide Internet service from space
Oh my goodness gracious. Please forgive me
Mr. Grand Avenue.
So here's an article from May 4, 2017
And then there's Apple. Here's an article
from April 21, 2017.
Several other companies are in the race too
but, you know; you're probably right. There's nothing to see
here. Move along...
On 5/17/2017 5:58 PM, Grand Avenue
Broadband wrote:
Dude! 2015?
On May 17, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Jack Unger <jun...@ask-wi.com> wrote:
"Elon
Musk’s space company has asked the federal
government for permission to begin testing on an
ambitious project to beam Internet service from
space, a significant step forward for an
initiative that could create another major
competitor to Comcast, AT&T and other telecom
companies.
The plan calls for
launching a constellation of 4,000 small and cheap
satellites that would beam high-speed Internet
signals to all parts of the globe, including its
most remote regions. Musk has said the effort
“would be like rebuilding the Internet in space.”
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[WISPA] SpaceX founder files with government to provide Internet service from space
"Elon Musk’s space company has
asked the federal government for permission to begin testing
on an ambitious project to beam Internet service from space, a
significant step forward for an initiative that could create
another major competitor to Comcast, AT&T and other
telecom companies.
The plan calls
for launching a constellation of 4,000 small and cheap
satellites that would beam high-speed Internet signals to all
parts of the globe, including its most remote regions. Musk
has said the effort “would be like rebuilding the Internet in
space.”
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Re: [WISPA] 2dbi vs 3dbi vs 5 dbi vs 100mw vs 400mw
Going from 20 dB to 26 dB will allow the AP to
be heard (with the same reliability) at double the distance away.
Yes. If the client power (actually the client EIRP which includes
the antenna gain) stays the same then the "uplink" distance from
client to AP will still be the same.
Yes, increasing the number of APs is one possible solution.
Another is to use a higher-gain (more directional) antenna on the
AP recognizing that when you increase the AP antenna gain in one
direction, you are reducing the gain (and the coverage) in all
other directions.
jack
On 11/13/2014 11:10 AM, Colton Conor
wrote:
So going from a regular powered 100mw (20db) to a
high powered 400mw (26db) is a 6db increase in output power. So
you are saying going from regular to high powered is a double in
coverage size?
Doesn't increasing the power output at the AP only increase
how loud the AP can "shout" which in term dictates how far the
receiver can hear from? If the client can't shout back does
this do any good?
Most client devices today like iPads, Smartphones, and some
laptops can't be modified to increase their antenna gain or
power output. So the only option is to increase the numbers of
APs, or the transmit power/antennas at the AP right?
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 12:25 PM, Jack
Unger <jun...@ask-wi.com>
wrote:
To
double the communications distance (everything else
holding steady) requires an additional 6 dB. Knowing
this, you can do the math with the various antenna gains
and power levels to determine performance.
Regards,
Jack Unger
WISPA FCC Technical Consultant
On 11/13/2014 10:15 AM, Colton Conor wrote:
We are comparing multiple SOHO routers
and modems that have the same Broadcom chipsets. All
of them have 802.11N 2x2 configuration. The only
differences between them are if they have internal
or external antennas and the gain of the antennas
(either 2, 3, or 5dbi ratings). In addition, some
sell a high powered wifi radio (400mw) while others
have the basic (100mw).
How much a difference does each of these
hardware features make in overall wifi
performance?
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Re: [WISPA] 2dbi vs 3dbi vs 5 dbi vs 100mw vs 400mw
To double the communications distance (everything else holding steady) requires an additional 6 dB. Knowing this, you can do the math with the various antenna gains and power levels to determine performance. Regards, Jack Unger WISPA FCC Technical Consultant On 11/13/2014 10:15 AM, Colton Conor wrote: We are comparing multiple SOHO routers and modems that have the same Broadcom chipsets. All of them have 802.11N 2x2 configuration. The only differences between them are if they have internal or external antennas and the gain of the antennas (either 2, 3, or 5dbi ratings). In addition, some sell a high powered wifi radio (400mw) while others have the basic (100mw). How much a difference does each of these hardware features make in overall wifi performance? ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Support Honest Gil Fulbright for Senate Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks" Serving the WISP Community since 1993 760-678-5033 jun...@ask-wi.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] USAF Request - Read this is you want to keep using 5630-5800 Mhz
that we have our first meeting on
Wednesday, 6/18/14, at Patrick AFB.
Thanks,
Don Roberson
Sr. Agent
Tampa Office
Enforcement Bureau
FCC
Office: 813-348-1741 ext 105
===
So, its that easy? Local AF guy makes a request whether
reasonable or not, and thats the way it is? I understand
moving off the 5765Mhz and having guard space on either side
maybe 20Mhz, but they want the whole band to stop being used
whether its even in the radar LOS or not, which is an
unreasonable request, IMO. This meeting of the minds will
apparently happen this coming Wednesday here locally. Anyone
have anything to add, other than good luck?
Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102
From: "Jack Unger"
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 12:49 PM
To: sc...@flhsi.com
Subject: Re: [WISPA] USAF Request - Read this is you
want to keep using 5630-5800 Mhz
Yes. Thanks !
On 6/2/2014 9:24 AM, Scott
Carullo wrote:
Does this work:
Scott Connolley, GS-13, DAF
DoD Eastern Area Frequency
Coordination Office
45 Space Communications Squadron
Patrick Air Force Base Florida
COMM: (321) 494-5838 DSN 854
scott.connol...@us.af.mil
Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102
From:
"Jack Unger"
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 12:20 PM
To: "WISPA General List"
Subject: Re: [WISPA] USAF Request - Read this
is you want to keep using 5630-5800 Mhz
Guys,
I'm working on getting some clarification on this
issue. Let's try to hold off on the public speculation
for a little while on this very public email list
while I try to get more information.
If anyone has additional concrete information, please
email it to me. Specifically, does anyone have a link
to DoD Eastern Area Frequency Coordination Office?
Thanks,
jack
On
6/2/2014 9:13 AM, Patrick Leary wrote:
I'd
be shocked if the military could claim
unilateral authority for restricting 170 MHz of
long-established ISM spectrum (nor 120 MHz of
UNII). I hope we read an authoritative opinion
via from Steve Coran.
Patrick
Leary
M 727.501.3735
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To: sc...@brevardwireless.com;
WISPA General List; wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] USAF Request - Read
this is you want to keep using 5630-5800 Mhz
I
am following up in hopes that some of you
smart fellas can offer suggestions.
Recap:
USAF
Calls / emails asking to please identify all
Re: [WISPA] USAF Request - Read this is you want to keep using 5630-5800 Mhz
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Re: [WISPA] Paging S. Coran
Gino,
Steve may not subscribe to this list. I'd suggest trying the
"memb...@wispa.org" list where most of the traffic exists.
jacque
On 5/15/2014 12:32 PM, Gino Villarini
wrote:
Steve, are you getting my off list emails?
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
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Re: [WISPA] 3650 Omni
OMNI = Open (to) Monstrous Noise (and) Interference On 4/8/2014 7:55 AM, wi...@mncomm.com wrote: Just curious if others have deployed a 3650 Omni and to know if it was effective? We have a few sites that we use 3650 PTP and one with a 120 degree panel that cranks out some decent power. Of course we are always looking for areas that we can break up APs and get some RF separation. I ran into a competitor on the extreme north side of one of our competitors that has a customer using a M365 power bridge. From their registration on FCC the closest sites they have registered are over 20 miles away. Can this be done PtMP on 3650? I have a BH link doing 24 miles on Rockets but havent tried anything this distance PtMP. I assume they have a closer site that’s not fully registered on the FCC site as of yet. Anyways, just curious if omni was real effective. Just more or less looking for areas to throw on 15 to 20 subs to break down some overloaded M2 & M5 AP. And if so, are you using UBNT antennas or KP or other thanks heith ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks" Serving the WISP Community since 1993 760-678-5033 jun...@ask-wi.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] DC FCC TV White Space
Cameron, I'd suggest you email/call Steve Coran who is WISPA's Communications Attorney in D.C. I'm copying him in. WISPA has been working at the FCC for more than 7 years now on WISPA's unlicensed TVWS needs. I'd respectfully request that you consider syncing-up or at least familiarize yourself with the points that we are making before you go in. Personally, I think the most important point is for the FCC to leave enough white space for unlicensed when they decide what spectrum to auction off for mobile broadband. It's more complex than that however so that's why I suggest you talk with Steve. His office number is 202-416-6744. Thanks, jack On 3/14/2014 11:58 AM, Cameron Camp wrote: Through a strange series of events, I’m headed to DC next week to meet with FCC staff regarding TVWS issues. I’m tag teaming with CompTIA who arranged the meetings (along with another rural broadband provider from Kentucky) with: Renee Gregory (Chairman Wheeler) David Goldman (Commissioner Rosenworcel) Erin McGrath (Commissioner O'Reilly) Matthew Berry and Brendan Carr (Commissioner Pai) I have put together some bullet points, but wanted to get an unprompted sense from the folks on this list what I should be mentioning while I’m there. How far can we get, what questions should we asking and what is a practical expecation for what can be accomplished still before FCC makes the decision? Best, Cameron Camp IVDataCenter.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks" Serving the WISP Community since 1993 760-678-5033 jun...@ask-wi.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Fwd: Re: [WISPA Members] E-rate Modernization Rulemaking Proceeding -- Supplemental Comments
Does anyone over on this list have an suggestions regarding E-rate? Original Message Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] E-rate Modernization Rulemaking Proceeding -- Supplemental Comments Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 00:58:51 -0700 From: Jack Unger Reply-To: memb...@wispa.org To: memb...@wispa.org Guys (& Gals) - We've only heard from one or two of you regarding this proceeding. If WISPA is going to file good FCC Comments, we need to hear from more of you please. jack On 3/8/2014 6:54 AM, Coran, Steve wrote: Late Thursday, the FCC’s Wireline Competition Bureau released a Public Notice seeking supplemental comment on certain aspects of the FCC’s ongoing E-rate modernization proceeding. Earlier, Chairman Tom Wheeler indicated that the FCC would make an additional $2 billion available for E-rate over the next two years, And many of the questions posed in the Public Notice seek comment on how these funds can best be spent for the benefit of schools and libraries. Comments are due April 7 and Reply Comments are due April 21. WISPA’s FCC Committee will be discussing whether and to what extent WISPA may wish to file Comments or Reply Comments, but some of the members on this list may be interested in reading this to help inform the Committee and/or provide you with background on changes and opportunities in the E-rate program. Among other things, the Bureau seeks comment on the following issues: - Whether to change priority two funding to eliminate support for legacy services and allocating a set amount of funds for LANs and Wi-Fi networks - The services and software that should qualify for support inside schools and libraries - How to enable more widespread access to funding for internal connections - Changes in the discount rate - Funding for up-front costs vs. recurring support - Reducing or eliminating support for voice services in some or all areas (phasing out by 2015?) - Demonstration projects - Here is a link to the Public Notice: http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2014/db0306/DA-14-308A1.pdf Following the Bureau’s release of the Public Notice, Commissioner Ajit Pai released a statement that was sharply critical of both the substance of the Public Notice and the Commission’s processes. On substance, Commissioner Pai said that the Public Notice “bodes poorly for real reform,” stating that the Bureau should have proposed eliminating the priority system altogether and did not alleviate the funding disparity between well-funded districts and small, rural schools and libraries. He also noted that the proposals would increase the paperwork load on teachers and librarians. On process, Commissioner Pai wanted the Public Notice to come from the full Commission as a Further Notice of Proposed Rulemaking, not as a Public Notice from the Bureau, which has no authority to propose rules. Here is a link to Commissioner Pai’s statement: http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2014/db0307/DOC-325937A1.pdf This is the second time that Commissioner Pai has criticized the Commission when a Bureau has released a Public Notice seeking public comment – the other time was a few months ago in the TV white space/incentive auction proceeding. Stephen E. Coran Lerman Senter, PLLC 2000 K Street, N.W., Suite 600 Washington, D.C. 20006-1809 (202) 416-6744 - office (202) 669-3288 –mobile @stevecoran – twitter sco...@lermansenter.com The entirety of this e-mail message and all attach
Re: [WISPA] HAM colo costs
Ryan,
As others have implied, hams are often amenable to an agreement
where you don't charge them anything but it's not unusual for you
to get some non-monetary service in exchange, such as
1. Free technical advice, or
2. Use of a spectrum analyzer, when needed, or
3. A no-charge permanent use of a transceiver that works on their
repeater (once you have your ham license), or
4. You-name-it. What type of help can you use?
jack
On 1/13/2014 8:28 AM, D. Ryan Spott
wrote:
For those of you that own towers or just know... What do HAM operators
usually get charged for colocation?
ryan
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Re: [WISPA] Market data on growth of WISPs in the US ???
Careful. Bunk IN = Bunk OUT.
On 4/22/2013 1:45 PM, Brough Turner
wrote:
OK, in addition to useful responses
from Brian Webster, Matt Larsen and Fred Goldstein, I just
stumbled on this from Inside Digital Media (Phil Leigh): http://insidedigitalmedia.com/the-wireless-isp-industry-cellular-wi-fi-offloading/
Yes, I know forecasts from market research firms are usually
complete bunk, but I need something for an audience that
apparently doesn't realize how useless such forecasts are. :)
And of course I haven't spent money to purchase the report
since, as usual, the summary contains enough for my limited
purposes.
Among the major conclusions are:
• Fixed-station Wireless Internet subscribers
will increase from about two million in 2010 to over five
million by 2015.
• Revenues for fixed-station WISPs will grow even more
quickly owing to a business mix-shift toward commercial
accounts, among other factors.
Thanks,
Brough
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Re: [WISPA] Law Enforcement Contact Verification?
I'll keep this post politically neutral. 1. I know little about Mosaik Solutions. Their website advises that one thing they do is cellular coverage mapping. See . They apparently provide many other services as well. See 2. Just because Homeland Security is supposedly "requiring" law enforcement info FROM Mosaik does not mean that YOU are "required" to give YOUR law enforcement contact information to Mosaik. 3. Our government now encourages public and private companies to enter the "homeland security" business and to begin collecting information on fellow American citizens. In some cases, the government uses private companies to gather and report information about American citizens that the government itself is not authorized to gather directly. Many companies apparently believe it's good business to get paid by the government to spy on their fellow American citizens. "Homeland security" is now a huge, ever-growing business. See 4. It is ILLEGAL for you as an individual to lie to the government and/or to law enforcement but it is PERFECTLY LEGAL for government and/or law enforcement (or private companies working as an arm of the government) to lie to you. jack On 4/10/2013 3:14 PM, Adam Greene wrote: Anyone else receive a “Law Enforcement Contact Verification” email from Mosaik Solutions (formerly American Roamer) requesting our company’s “organizational contacts responsible for interacting with Homeland Security and other law enforcement agencies, as is required of us by the US Department of Homeland Security”? Seems strange to me that a private company would contact me out of the blue, implying that they are an official intermediary of the US Government. I’m not liking it … almost sounds like a phishing scheme. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks" Serving the WISP Community since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 760-678-5033 jun...@ask-wi.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Industry Accronym
+1 for FiWi (for fixed wireless - the "broadband" is almost a given) Pronounced "fy why" On 4/16/2013 5:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: FiWi IMO Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 16, 2013 8:15 PM, "Jorge Santiago" <jscnetwo...@gmail.com> wrote: Gino, honestly that sounds weird! LOL On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Gino Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote: So I was thinking that us as Wisp need a service acronym to market… like WiFi, 4G, LTE and DSL…. And it hit me… Fixed Wireless Broadband… FiWi-B Promunced feewee bee? No? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks" Serving the WISP Community since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 760-678-5033 jun...@ask-wi.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Mexican Cartels Enslave Engineers to Build Radio Network
Heads up! Be careful out there! *** The Mexican military is trying to dismantle an extensive network of radio antennas built and operated by the notorious Zeta drug cartel. But the authorities haven’t had much luck shutting Radio Zeta down. Not only is much of the equipment super-easy to replace. But the cartel has also apparently found some unwilling — and alarming — assistance by kidnapping and enslaving technicians to help build it. At least 36 engineers and technicians have been kidnapped in the past four years, according to a report from Mexican news site Animal Politico, with an English translation published by organized-crime monitoring group InSight. Worse, none of the engineers have been held for ransom — they’ve just disappeared. Among them include at least one IBM employee and several communications technicians from a firm owned by Mexico’s largest construction company. “The fact that skilled workers have been disappearing in these areas is no accident,” Felipe Gonzalez, head of Mexico’s Senate Security Committee, told the website... -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks" Serving the WISP Community since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 760-678-5033 jun...@ask-wi.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] WISPA's recent
Thank you very, very much
Scriv. It feels great to be appreciated and complimented however
WISPA's work on behalf of our industry would not be possible
without
a) The work, the understanding and the support of the WISPA
Board and of WISPA President Elizabeth Bowles.
b) The suggestions from and the work of the Members of WISPA's
FCC Committee.
c) The outstanding legal mind and work of Steve Coran of Rini
Coran.
d) The financial and the moral support that we receive from
WISPA Members that makes our work possible.
Together, we will continue to grow our industry and the services
that we deliver to our friends, our neighbors and other members
of the public who need and rely on us.
jack
On 10/2/2012 11:24 PM, John Scrivner
wrote:
VERY NICE BRAVO ! If a carpenter could
drive a hammer squarely against the head of a nail with the same
strength and precision as the points made below to the FCC then
there would be no need for pneumatic nail guns and every nail
would be deeply set with one swing! You do good work, Jack Unger!
Thank you!
Scriv
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Matt
Jenkins <m...@smarterbroadband.net>
wrote:
*applause*
On 09/23/2012 11:22 PM, Jack Unger wrote:
Section 706 of the Telecommunications
Act of 1996, as amended (1996 Act), requires the FCC
to determine and report annually on “whether
advanced telecommunications capability is being
deployed to all Americans in a reasonable and timely
fashion.
As part of their reporting obligation, the FCC
issued a Notice of Inquiry (NOI) to gather
information in this proceeding and WISPA's FCC
Committee decided to use this NOI to restate for
the public record some of the significant points
that WISPA has made recently in other filings. Our
filing emphasized the following points.
1. WISPs provide fixed wireless broadband service to
more that 3 million people in the U.S.
2. In large sections of some states (we used Texas
and Illinois as examples) WISPs are the only
terrestrial broadband providers.
3. In other areas where WISPs do have terrestrial
broadband competition, WISP networks are largely
unsubsidized and built with private funding.
4. In many areas, WISPs provide broadband service
that is comparable in speed, latency and data
capacity to wired broadband service.
5. The FCC should act to make more unlicensed
spectrum available including in the TV White Spaces,
3.55 GHz, 4.9 GHz and 5 GHz bands.
6. When setting Connect America Fund (CAF) rules,
the FCC should make sure that subsidies do not go to
providers who would use those subsidies to compete
with WISPs.
7. WISPs (who are unsubsidized) should not have to
contribute to CAF funding.
8. WISPs should have access to funding from the
Remote Areas Fund (RAF).
9. Carriers who receive CAF support should be
required to provide access to their backhaul
networks to WISPs who want to supply broadband to
nearby unserved areas.
10. The National Broadband Map should be the sole
source of information about broadband availability.
The FCC should encourage all states to use common
data collection and verification techniques so that
data in the National Broadband Map is consistently
shown from state to state.
A copy of WISPA's filing is attached.
Respectfully Submitted,
Jack Unger
Consultant to WISPA's FCC Committee
Re: [WISPA] WISPA's recent
That subject line should say "WISPA's Recent FCC Filing" On 9/23/2012 11:22 PM, Jack Unger wrote: Section 706 of the Telecommunications Act of 1996, as amended (1996 Act), requires the FCC to determine and report annually on “whether advanced telecommunications capability is being deployed to all Americans in a reasonable and timely fashion. As part of their reporting obligation, the FCC issued a Notice of Inquiry (NOI) to gather information in this proceeding and WISPA's FCC Committee decided to use this NOI to restate for the public record some of the significant points that WISPA has made recently in other filings. Our filing emphasized the following points. 1. WISPs provide fixed wireless broadband service to more that 3 million people in the U.S. 2. In large sections of some states (we used Texas and Illinois as examples) WISPs are the only terrestrial broadband providers. 3. In other areas where WISPs do have terrestrial broadband competition, WISP networks are largely unsubsidized and built with private funding. 4. In many areas, WISPs provide broadband service that is comparable in speed, latency and data capacity to wired broadband service. 5. The FCC should act to make more unlicensed spectrum available including in the TV White Spaces, 3.55 GHz, 4.9 GHz and 5 GHz bands. 6. When setting Connect America Fund (CAF) rules, the FCC should make sure that subsidies do not go to providers who would use those subsidies to compete with WISPs. 7. WISPs (who are unsubsidized) should not have to contribute to CAF funding. 8. WISPs should have access to funding from the Remote Areas Fund (RAF). 9. Carriers who receive CAF support should be required to provide access to their backhaul networks to WISPs who want to supply broadband to nearby unserved areas. 10. The National Broadband Map should be the sole source of information about broadband availability. The FCC should encourage all states to use common data collection and verification techniques so that data in the National Broadband Map is consistently shown from state to state. A copy of WISPA's filing is attached. Respectfully Submitted, Jack Unger Consultant to WISPA's FCC Committee 760-678-5033 -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks" Serving the WISP Community since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 760-678-5033 jun...@ask-wi.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks" Serving the WISP Community since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 760-678-5033 jun...@ask-wi.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Oh Great take from the poor and give to the rich!
I also think it's a tax too.
I just don't think we should lose our cool and do destructive
things that could hurt our industry just because it's a tax.
On 8/29/2012 1:27 PM, Jeff Broadwick -
Lists wrote:
I agree with your
conclusions Jack, but it
is absolutely a tax.
Regards,
Jeff
Sales Manager, Blue Technology
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Sent:
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3:52 PM
To: WISPA
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Subject:
Re: [WISPA] Oh Great take
from the poor and give to the rich!
I see sending
any kind of WISPA "release" as just election-year
political
gamesmanship that is likely to hurt us more than help us.
This so-called "tax" is just being shifted from voice to
broadband.
The FCC's job (as mandated by Congress) is to extend
broadband to everyone.
Further, I don't agree that the FCC is trying to put us
out of business. The
USF tables have been heavily tilted against us because in
the past (like
5 years ago) WISPs were not a "player" at the government
level. We
were not organized enough then to show up and make our
voice heard. Now we are
organized, our voice is being heard and we're making
pretty decent headway. I'd
say we stick to our business of advocating effectively to
advance our industry
and leave the "tax and spend" gamesmanship to the
professional
politicians.
jack
On 8/29/2012 11:24
AM, Forbes Mercy wrote:
I wonder if it
would benefit us to send a "New
Tax Coming to a Constituent Near You" release where in
this era of taxes
being waged to pay off debt, a new tax is being proposed
by the FCC to the
broadband industry which will only serve to subsidize
the telephone industry
with broadband deriving zero benefit? Instead of
defensive it's a
pro-active move where politicians running under a no new
taxes platform will
have to roll it in.
I know the FCC wouldn't be thrilled with us but we've
felt all along the USF to
CAF conversion was just the FCC helping the Telco
industry to do a hostile
takeover of our broadband industry with government aid
and we shouldn't be
afraid to say it.
Forbes
On 8/28/2012 2:28 PM, Jack Unger wrote:
Throw out
that
word "tax" and everyone gets all excited but this is
really old news
and not really any news at all. Just the transition of
the USF program
(subsidies to extend phone service to rural areas) into
the CAF program where
the subsidies will now go to extend broadband service to
the boonies. WISPA has
made a ton of FCC filings on this already. Most of them
are defensive in nature
(preventing WISPs from being overbuilt) but a few are
offensive - trying to
open up the possibilities for WISPs that want subsidies
(most don't) to get
them.
jack
On 8/28/2012
1:20 PM, Jim Patient wrote:
http://www.ijreview.com/2012/08/13896-fcc-may-soon-tax-internet-service/
Jim Patient
Link
Technologies, Inc.
314-735-0270
Re: [WISPA] Oh Great take from the poor and give to the rich!
I see sending any kind of WISPA "release" as just election-year political gamesmanship that is likely to hurt us more than help us. This so-called "tax" is just being shifted from voice to broadband. The FCC's job (as mandated by Congress) is to extend broadband to everyone. Further, I don't agree that the FCC is trying to put us out of business. The USF tables have been heavily tilted against us because in the past (like 5 years ago) WISPs were not a "player" at the government level. We were not organized enough then to show up and make our voice heard. Now we are organized, our voice is being heard and we're making pretty decent headway. I'd say we stick to our business of advocating effectively to advance our industry and leave the "tax and spend" gamesmanship to the professional politicians. jack On 8/29/2012 11:24 AM, Forbes Mercy wrote: I wonder if it would benefit us to send a "New Tax Coming to a Constituent Near You" release where in this era of taxes being waged to pay off debt, a new tax is being proposed by the FCC to the broadband industry which will only serve to subsidize the telephone industry with broadband deriving zero benefit? Instead of defensive it's a pro-active move where politicians running under a no new taxes platform will have to roll it in. I know the FCC wouldn't be thrilled with us but we've felt all along the USF to CAF conversion was just the FCC helping the Telco industry to do a hostile takeover of our broadband industry with government aid and we shouldn't be afraid to say it. Forbes On 8/28/2012 2:28 PM, Jack Unger wrote: Throw out that word "tax" and everyone gets all excited but this is really old news and not really any news at all. Just the transition of the USF program (subsidies to extend phone service to rural areas) into the CAF program where the subsidies will now go to extend broadband service to the boonies. WISPA has made a ton of FCC filings on this already. Most of them are defensive in nature (preventing WISPs from being overbuilt) but a few are offensive - trying to open up the possibilities for WISPs that want subsidies (most don't) to get them. jack On 8/28/2012 1:20 PM, Jim Patient wrote: http://www.ijreview.com/2012/08/13896-fcc-may-soon-tax-internet-service/ Jim Patient Link Technologies, Inc. 314-735-0270 x102 http://wlan1.com http://towercoverage.com http://www.linktechs.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks" Serving the WISP Community since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 760-678-5033 jun...@ask-wi.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5231 - Release Date: 08/28/12 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks" Serving the WISP Community since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 760-678-5033 jun...@ask-wi.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Oh Great take from the poor and give to the rich!
Throw out that word "tax" and
everyone gets all excited but this is really old news and not
really any news at all. Just the transition of the USF program
(subsidies to extend phone service to rural areas) into the CAF
program where the subsidies will now go to extend broadband
service to the boonies. WISPA has made a ton of FCC filings on
this already. Most of them are defensive in nature (preventing
WISPs from being overbuilt) but a few are offensive - trying to
open up the possibilities for WISPs that want subsidies (most
don't) to get them.
jack
On 8/28/2012 1:20 PM, Jim Patient
wrote:
http://www.ijreview.com/2012/08/13896-fcc-may-soon-tax-internet-service/
Jim Patient
Link Technologies, Inc.
314-735-0270 x102
http://wlan1.com
http://towercoverage.com
http://www.linktechs.net
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Re: [WISPA] FCC broadband deployment report
Great! Keep working with the
mapping agency until they get it right.
On 8/23/2012 3:17 PM, Ryan Ghering
wrote:
We did submit, and have worked with the mapping agency in colorado a
number of times.. :(
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Jack Unger wrote:
1. WISPs need to submit their information.
2. WISPs need to be diligent about working with their State mapping agency
to correct wrong information.
No one else is going to do it for us.
On 8/23/2012 2:59 PM, Ryan Ghering wrote:
wow, they have my area as covered as NON-Rural DSL and Cable no
wireless links at all..
I think someone "fixed" the books on this info. As its completely BS..
1. everything out here in our area is Rural..
2. No wireless listed at ALL ( there are 2 providers ourselves and the
telco to the south of us)
3. The local cable company has only a handful of customers
4. says that over 3500 folks in my county have NO internet.. Complete
and total BS.. This is farm country and I'd PAY to find more than 50
homes that don't have internet.
Again.. the books have been cooked, thanks to either bad info or
competition.
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
if you hover over a county a popup chart on the right shows up and
displays the demographics for that county and % of broadband that is
Fiber, Cable, DSL, or fixed wireless. both the counties we serve show
0% fixed wireless.
-sean
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 3:48 PM, Chris Fabien wrote:
Our coverage area is not displayed on that map.
Is it only including wireline providers?
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 5:28 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
Hi all,
Sorry for all the cross posts on multiple lists but this seems
troubling to me. We submitted our coverage data to the state of
Colorado and they submitted our data for the national map. However,
this FCC broadband deployment report includes this map which doesn't
show our coverage.
Report: http://www.fcc.gov/reports/eighth-broadband-progress-report
Map: http://www.fcc.gov/maps/section-706-fixed-broadband-deployment-map
What gives??? WISPA???
Is anyone else noticing their coverage area is not included?
Best regards,
Sean Heskett
ZIRKEL Wireless
High-speed Internet
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Re: [WISPA] FCC broadband deployment report
1. WISPs need to submit their
information.
2. WISPs need to be diligent about working with their State
mapping agency to correct wrong information.
No one else is going to do it for us.
On 8/23/2012 2:59 PM, Ryan Ghering
wrote:
wow, they have my area as covered as NON-Rural DSL and Cable no
wireless links at all..
I think someone "fixed" the books on this info. As its completely BS..
1. everything out here in our area is Rural..
2. No wireless listed at ALL ( there are 2 providers ourselves and the
telco to the south of us)
3. The local cable company has only a handful of customers
4. says that over 3500 folks in my county have NO internet.. Complete
and total BS.. This is farm country and I'd PAY to find more than 50
homes that don't have internet.
Again.. the books have been cooked, thanks to either bad info or competition.
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
if you hover over a county a popup chart on the right shows up and
displays the demographics for that county and % of broadband that is
Fiber, Cable, DSL, or fixed wireless. both the counties we serve show
0% fixed wireless.
-sean
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 3:48 PM, Chris Fabien wrote:
Our coverage area is not displayed on that map.
Is it only including wireline providers?
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 5:28 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
Hi all,
Sorry for all the cross posts on multiple lists but this seems
troubling to me. We submitted our coverage data to the state of
Colorado and they submitted our data for the national map. However,
this FCC broadband deployment report includes this map which doesn't
show our coverage.
Report: http://www.fcc.gov/reports/eighth-broadband-progress-report
Map: http://www.fcc.gov/maps/section-706-fixed-broadband-deployment-map
What gives??? WISPA???
Is anyone else noticing their coverage area is not included?
Best regards,
Sean Heskett
ZIRKEL Wireless
High-speed Internet
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970-871-8500
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Re: [WISPA] Internet Speed test..are they inaccurate with wireless?
Two points - 1. Customer education. I think it's the job of each WISP to educate their customers that the Internet is a huge network with multiple hops needed to get anywhere. Yes; I know it seems stupid to us to have to do this but much of the public is just not aware so we need to help them understand. 2. Local and "Beyond Local" Testing - As part of our customer education, we need to set up a local (at our NOC) speed test and a "beyond our NOC" speed test link. That way, we can train the customer to a) check approx. throughput to our NOC, and b) check approx. throughput beyond our NOC. jack On 8/21/2012 12:22 PM, Bret Clark wrote: We mostly deal with business customer and guarantee bandwidth to customers. We validate the bandwidth using IPERF from a Linux server off of our BGP edge routers down to the customer and IPERF always shows the customer getting the bandwidth they signed up for. We use QoS to control bandwidth and make sure to not oversubscribe any one linksmall ratios of 3:1. Of course eventually at some point the customer runs one of those stupid bandwidth test on the Internet and the results are woefully inaccurate (not in our favor)...but of course customers take the results as gospel. AAA! It's not our internet connections, we have three 100Mbps BGP links and none of them run at more then 50% during peak loads. Has anyone else found those Internet speed test to be woefully inaccurate? Or is something else going on that I'm missing? Thanks, Bret ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks" Serving the WISP Community since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 760-678-5033 jun...@ask-wi.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity ... Stock Price .. News ...
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Re: [WISPA] List Traffic
I agree. The real hot action
happens over on the Member's list. In comparison, traffic on the
open-to-everyone (wireless@wispa.org) list is just a small
fraction of all the good stuff over on the Member's list.
On 6/29/2012 8:32 AM, John Scrivner wrote:
I believe list traffic on the general list which is
publicly available to anyone (members or not) has been dropping
significantly over time as more and more of the traffic has moved
to the "members only" list servers within WISPA.
Scriv
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Eric
Rogers <ecrog...@precisionds.com>
wrote:
Is this list dead? I haven’t
received an email since 6/18.
Eric
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[WISPA] Need Help from San Francisco-San Jose WISP(s)
The WISPA FCC Committee is working on a project to determine what the impact would be if the FCC allows a licensed (yes, there are licensed users in the 902-928 MHz band) location and monitoring service (LMS) company to deploy 900 MHz networks across the country. The LMS company has a test network deployed in the San Francisco- San Jose area. If you are a WISP with a 900 MHz deployed in that area (the Bay Area generally) please contact me on-list of off-list as soon as possible. WISPA may need your assistance to test to see if the LMS network interferes with your network. Thank you in advance. Jack Unger Chair - WISPA FCC Committee 818-227-4220 -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks" Serving the WISP Community since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] USF/CAF
In fact, WISPA has already gone on record AGAINST the current rule that a single company has to provide both voice and data. WISPA asked the FCC to change the rule so that CAF subsidies would be denied in "an area subject to unsubsidized competition". What this means is that if an area is already served with both voice and broadband data, even if these services are provided by two separate companies, then no one else should be able to receive subsidies to serve that area. (Crack! "Base hit!! It's a double to center field!!") jack On 5/29/2012 9:40 AM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) wrote: Right. And that's why we still have to fight they current rules as proposed. We've made the statement that if any company offers un subsidized service then no one should get a tax payer funded leg up in the market. Under the current rules a SINGLE company has to provide both *facilities based *voice and broadband without subsidies before the faucet is shut off to the USF/CAF recipient. We're in the bottom of the 9th inning and we're down by a couple of runs, 2 out full count and Casey is at bat. Are we going to swing at the ball or just stand there and watch it fly by? marlon - Original Message - From: "Fred Goldstein" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF/CAF At 5/25/2012 01:03 PM, Matt wrote: Perhaps anyone accepting money from these funds should be required to wholesale there services at a discount such as dry loop dsl? They should also not be allowed to price under cut wholesalers for that to work? In fact, that *was* the rule. Or at least they had to wholesale the DSL, even if it was bundled with cheap POTS. When the FCC detariffed DSL in 2005, it was permissive, so the Bells could detariff while the subsidized rural ILECs stayed on tariff in order to maximize their USF. The new Connect America Fund rules make one major change -- they allow the ILEC to detariff DSL, offer it only as a retail information service, and still get subsidized. That's how they want to "improve" broadband availability. Gee, do you think any telco lobbyists were active in getting that passed? ;-) -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein "at" ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks" Serving the WISP Community since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] http://spaceweather.com/
Apparently the sun is
continuing to throw off solar flares strong enough to possibly
effect the electrical power grid. Here's a site with the latest
information.
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Re: [WISPA] Providing Data to rescue/rebuilding teams during recovery/disaster sites
Correct. WISPA is already forming an organization to formalize and coordinate WISPA's disaster response capabilities. I think some kind of a tie-in between WISPA's disaster response activities and Team Rubicon is certainly worthy of developing. I'd suggest contacting Victoria Proffer (WISPA Board) to discuss this further. jack On 2/22/2012 2:59 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote: WISPA just started a national disaster response division to handle this type of thing. - Original Message - From: Zach Mann To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Providing Data to rescue/rebuilding teams during recovery/disaster sites That's a good point Josh. I will get in touch with the leadership at this company. Check them out if you'd like. Returning Veterans started it, great idea. http://teamrubiconusa.org/ On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: Couldn't they just reach the WISPA members list? http://www.wispa.org/member-directory Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Zach Mann <zma...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello All, > > Being that this list covers all 50 states, I wanted to throw out the idea of > getting folks on-board and assembled to help a company that has a sole focus > of providing relief/disaster response. These WISP's/Individuals would > basically be on stand-by and would be able to assist if needed. > > If a tornado event like Joplin took place, this company could call on the > nearest WISP on the list to help bring up communications asap. > > Is this possible? > > > Zach Mann > 913.710.7220 > > > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks" Serving the WISP Community since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Ericsson is buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi
In a sure sign that the
cellular industry is getting serious about Wi-Fi, telecom
networking giant Ericsson is buying BelAir Networks, adding its
high-performance outdoor hotspot technology to its portfolio,
sources told GigaOM. The deal could signal a big shift in the
mindset of the big wireless vendors, which have always favored
their own specialized and expensive cellular technologies to
meet growing mobile data demand rather than more generic but
much cheaper Wi-Fi tech...
<http://gigaom.com/broadband/ericsson-pursuing-wi-fi-with-belair-networks-buy/>
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Re: [WISPA] WISP for sale
Sheeesh. Now you tell me...
On 1/19/2012 9:05 PM, Adam Kennedy wrote:
It helps when the convertible is larger than 1:10 scale.
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WISP for sale
It looks like they are calling fixed
wireless broadband "4G". See this <http://www.keyon.com/investor-news/keyon-selects-alvarion-as-4g-wireless-last-mile-equipment-vendor-for-10-2-million-stimulus-award/>.
I think that a lot of advertising these days is made up
of lies but it seems to me that KeyOn didn't help
themselves when they mis-used (to put it charitably) a
mobile broadband term to describe fixed wireless
broadband service. When you torture the truth long
enough, the blowback can hurt.
By the way, can anyone tell me why that hot new red
convertible that I bought doesn't seem to be helping me
get any chicks?
jack
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Re: [WISPA] WISP for sale
It looks like they are calling fixed wireless broadband "4G". See this <http://www.keyon.com/investor-news/keyon-selects-alvarion-as-4g-wireless-last-mile-equipment-vendor-for-10-2-million-stimulus-award/>. I think that a lot of advertising these days is made up of lies but it seems to me that KeyOn didn't help themselves when they mis-used (to put it charitably) a mobile broadband term to describe fixed wireless broadband service. When you torture the truth long enough, the blowback can hurt. By the way, can anyone tell me why that hot new red convertible that I bought doesn't seem to be helping me get any chicks? jack On 1/18/2012 7:51 AM, Blake Bowers wrote: http://tinyurl.com/8xo3sf6 Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks" Serving the WISP Community since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Chicago TDWR down for maintenance
Given that the contractor we
hired did not find the interference, it doesn't seem appropriate
to publicize his name at this time. If he had been successful,
he likely would want some favorable publicity. We will respect
his request to not give his name out.
jack
On 12/15/2011 9:48 AM, Stuart Pierce wrote:
All I wanted to know is who WISPA hired to find the
interference, I didn't mean anything conspiracy theory about
asking. I apologize if anything other than the simple who did
the sweeping conjured up anything other than.
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From: John Scrivner
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Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:14:13 -0600
The interference in Vegas went away and we never found where it
came from.
Scriv
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:01 PM, Josh Luthman
wrote:
As far as I can see on wunderground.com it looks to be
cleared up.
Didn't hear any word from WISPA.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Rubens Kuhl
wrote:
Is the Las Vegas radar still suffering interference ?
Rubens
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Josh Luthman
wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/7lzyts8
Interesting.
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Re: [WISPA] [WUG] EMERGENCY TDWR INTERFERENCE ISSUE IN LAS VEGAS
Bob, Yes. jack On 11/28/2011 9:46 AM, lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: Rick Are they still looking for this signal? Bob - Reply message - From: "Rick Harnish" To: "'WISPA General List'" Subject: [WISPA] [WUG] EMERGENCY TDWR INTERFERENCE ISSUE IN LAS VEGAS Date: Mon, Nov 28, 2011 11:03 am Chris, Would you be willing to share any knowledge of other operators in the Las Vegas area that may be using this spectrum? Please contact me offlist. Respectfully, Rick Harnish Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 Option 2 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org adm...@wispa.org (Trina and Rick) From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of C.J. Sattler Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 6:06 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] [WUG] EMERGENCY TDWR INTERFERENCE ISSUE IN LAS VEGAS Just FYI, here at LV.Net(lasvegas.net) I have just completed a audit of every radio i use and there a bunch of TLink-45s using frequencies close to there but none within 40mhz of that frequency and the max they can use is 6dbm. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks" Serving the WISP Community since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] EHS Guy wire pricing
Why so large? If I recall
correctly, we used to use 3/16 EHS on towers up to 100 ft or so.
Unless you're putting up a 1000-ft tower, 7/16 or 1/2 seems like
overkill, not to mention it will be more difficult to work with.
jack
On 10/2/2011 6:34 AM, Dorn Hetzel wrote:
Do the following seem like reasonable prices per foot
for EHS guy wire?
I will probably need around 3500 feet or so.
7/16" $0.71/ft
1/2" $0.95/ft
Regards,
-Dorn
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Re: [WISPA] Licensed PTMP
On 8/30/2011 10:23 AM, Troy Settle wrote:
Any
frequency really, I’m just curious as to what’s available
and how much it costs (licensing and equipment). From what
I’ve read, FCC auctions go for millions per license… way out
of reach for us.
Yes; PTMP frequencies can be expensive at auction. A lot depends on
the geographic area where you want to deploy. Sometimes you can
lease frequencies. Others on this list can give you more specific
information.
I
understand that there are some shared frequencies that are
available for PTP links (6,11,18,22,whatever), but are these
any good for PTMP?
No.
Mostly,
I’m trying to get the information I need to get my bosses to
lay off the idea of using licensed frequencies for the last
mile.
Where are you located?
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What
frequency?
On 8/30/2011 9:57 AM, Troy Settle wrote:
My bosses keep asking me about licensed
PTMP systems. With licensed PTP systems running into
thousands of dollars, I’m not sure I want to see the price tag
of a PTMP system, but I have to do as the bosses say…
Any help out there?
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Re: [WISPA] Licensed PTMP
What frequency? On 8/30/2011 9:57 AM, Troy Settle wrote: My bosses keep asking me about licensed PTMP systems. With licensed PTP systems running into thousands of dollars, I’m not sure I want to see the price tag of a PTMP system, but I have to do as the bosses say… Any help out there? Thank you, -- Troy Settle, Network Administrator The Wired Road Authority 1117 E. Stuart Dr. Galax, VA 24333 (276) 238-0049 (office) (276) 237-3890 (cell) tset...@thewiredroad.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks" Serving the WISP, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] FCC Adopts Wireless Backhaul Reform
Thanks Jacob.
I appreciate your kind words. Yes: if (when) we have MIMO and
beam-forming in TV White Space, that will be awesome.
jack
On 8/9/2011 2:32 PM, Jacob Thatcher wrote:
Jack,
This is great news! Made my day a little brighter.
Your work and involvement in these processes is just phenomenal.
I hope soon I will see an email come that states we have lower
frequency spectrum for use as well.
If we had more use of lower bands with the new MIMO and beam
forming technology that is being developed our possibilities as
WISPs are endless.
All WISPs make so much work with so little we are given.
Thanks again Jack for your efforts.
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On 8/9/2011 5:17 PM, Jack Unger wrote:
The FCC today announced
changes that make more licensed microwave spectrum available
for wireless backhaul use.
<http://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-adopts-wireless-backhaul-reform-part-broadband-acceleration-initiative-and-spectrum-and>
The FCC action makes additional
point-to-point licensed spectrum available in the 7 and 13
GHz bands. WISPA's FCC Comments supported this change.
WISPA also supported the use of adaptive modulation in these
bands. The FCC granted this as well.
One point that WISPA supported that was not approved by the
FCC was allowing point-to-multipoint "auxiliary stations"
within this spectrum.
Finally, the FCC approved the use of 25 MHz channels in the
13 GHz band. Channels in this band are full-duplex (one
transmit channel paired with one receive channel) so this is
the equivalent of allowing 50-MHz channel widths.
The FCC will be issuing a Further Notice of Proposed
Rulemaking (FNPRM) to address the remaining unresolved
issues such as allowing smaller antenna sizes on these
licensed links. WISPA has filed Comments supporting smaller
antenna sizes.
Questions are always welcomed.
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Re: [WISPA] FCC Adopts Wireless Backhaul Reform
Let's look at it in terms of
throughtput capability. One 25 MHz channel plus a second 25 MHz
channel equals 50 MHz of throughput capability.
The more complex answer is that two 25 MHz channels (one
full-duplex 25 MHz channel) is probably going to deliver more
throughput than one half-duplex 50 MHz channel because
On 8/9/2011 3:30 PM, David E. Smith wrote:
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 16:17, Jack Unger
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Finally, the FCC approved the use of 25
MHz channels in the 13 GHz band. Channels in this band
are full-duplex (one transmit channel paired with one
receive channel) so this is the equivalent of allowing
50-MHz channel widths.
I don't quite understand this. If it's one 25MHz transmit
channel, and one 25MHz receive channel, how is that the
equivalent of a 50MHz channel? To me, it looks like the
equivalent of 25MHz full-duplex channel - just one where the
rx and tx are actually on separate channels, but they're still
only 25MHz wide each.
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[WISPA] FCC Adopts Wireless Backhaul Reform
The FCC today announced changes
that make more licensed microwave spectrum available for
wireless backhaul use.
<http://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-adopts-wireless-backhaul-reform-part-broadband-acceleration-initiative-and-spectrum-and>
The FCC action makes additional
point-to-point licensed spectrum available in the 7 and 13 GHz
bands. WISPA's FCC Comments supported this change.
WISPA also supported the use of adaptive modulation in these
bands. The FCC granted this as well.
One point that WISPA supported that was not approved by the FCC
was allowing point-to-multipoint "auxiliary stations" within
this spectrum.
Finally, the FCC approved the use of 25 MHz channels in the 13
GHz band. Channels in this band are full-duplex (one transmit
channel paired with one receive channel) so this is the
equivalent of allowing 50-MHz channel widths.
The FCC will be issuing a Further Notice of Proposed Rulemaking
(FNPRM) to address the remaining unresolved issues such as
allowing smaller antenna sizes on these licensed links. WISPA
has filed Comments supporting smaller antenna sizes.
Questions are always welcomed.
Jack Unger
Chair - WISPA FCC Committee
818-227-4220
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Re: [WISPA] Arkansas Heatwave
Carl,
Yes; try installing white "sun shields" to shade the APs,
assuming you are using external antennas and that there is
clearance above the APs for the sun shields.
jack
On 6/6/2011 8:38 AM, Carl Shivers wrote:
We are having a serious heat wave here in
Little Rock. Our APs are running in the red in relation to
specs; not failing yet, but close. We think one of our tower
sites is having problems. It is now 10:30a and the APs are
running at 150 degrees.
I don’t think there is a solution, but I
thought I would ask. Motorola said that about the only thing
we might try is to build some sort of covering above the AP to
create shade.
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Re: [WISPA] Arkansas Heatwave
Carl,
As Moto suggests, try installation white "sun shield" over the
APs. That should drop the temperatures.
jack
On 6/6/2011 8:38 AM, Carl Shivers wrote:
We are having a serious heat wave here in
Little Rock. Our APs are running in the red in relation to
specs; not failing yet, but close. We think one of our tower
sites is having problems. It is now 10:30a and the APs are
running at 150 degrees.
I don’t think there is a solution, but I
thought I would ask. Motorola said that about the only thing
we might try is to build some sort of covering above the AP to
create shade.
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Re: [WISPA] Jack's long lost relative?
Hmmm, you could be right. Seems we both have an overabundance of humor genes... On 5/25/2011 11:16 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: http://i-beta.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/article/4/3/9/59439.jpg?v=1 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks" Serving the WISP, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] (no subject)
It depends on the quality of the receivers. Most receivers in use today will not have sufficient selectivity to be able to receive the desired signal if two 100KW stations are spaced as closely as you describe. 87.5 and 87.7 are right next to each other so many receivers will hear them both at the same time. The frequencies need to be spread apart more. A small town or village should 1) use lower power transmitters - 100 KW is way too much power, and 2) spread the frequencies out more. In a small town, there should be plenty of available frequency space to spread the transmit frequencies out. jack On 5/25/2011 12:42 PM, Itaaka Tebaka wrote: Hello all Can anybody on the list assist or point out links to find out more on FM radio (87.5 – 108MHz) band plan and regulations regarding the FM radio stations and it transmitters. My question is In practical what is the minimum distance (FM zone) between FM stations and the transmitter power output can be used without causing any interference between the 2 stations, say station A operating on 87.5MHz and station B operating on 87.7MHz within the same small town/village. What is the minimum spacing (KHz) can be used if the 2 stations operate in the same town each operating on 100KW Thank you in advance Itaaka WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks" Serving the WISP, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Fwd: [WISPA Members] FCC USF Panel today
I thought it important that all WISPs read Matt's report about his FCC testimony today so (after asking Matt's permission) I'm forwarding his email and hoping that all have a chance to read it. jack Original Message Subject: [WISPA Members] FCC USF Panel today Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 14:01:23 -0600 From: Reply-To: memb...@wispa.org To: Hi all, I thought I would drop in a few comments about the FCC’s USF workshop that is going on today. Today’s workshop is focusing on the technical aspects of delivering broadband.The morning panel that I participated in included representatives from Adtran (telco), CableLabs (cable), Juniper (mobile wireless), ViaSat (satellite) and an economist from CostQuest. I had an opportunity to have a brief visit with Zach Katz, who is one of Chairman Genachowski’s assistants, and then had a couple of minutes with the Chairman to talk about WISPs deploying broadband without any subsidies. One of the big victories in my mind, was that during the introduction to the panel and throughout the discussion, fixed wireless was mentioned repeatedly. We are having some success getting the message out that fixed wireless is different than mobile wireless. Commissioner McDowell made some comments about USF disappearing, which I think most WISPA members would like to see.I was surprised to hear that from a commissioner. I was originally slated to go second to last, but the cards were shuffled and I ended up leading off. My opening comments are published on my Wireless Cowboys blog here: http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/?p=173I had to tone down my usual disdain for toy broadband mobile wireless and satellite and hatred of USF, but I thought that I made solid points about the performance and cost advantages of fixed wireless.The rest of the panelists were engineers and did not provide any real solid numbers about cost of deployment. I felt like my comments set a good tone for the rest of the discussion and made a strong case for fixed wireless as being the most cost effective and easiest to implement solution for delivering broadband to unserved and underserved areas. At no point during the discussion did I say that fixed wireless providers needed to be getting subsidies. My opening comments asked for fixed wireless to get consideration during the development of the CAF. Consideration includes NOT subsidizing less capable (mobile wireless/satellite) or more expensive (fiber/telco) technologies. Zach Katz mentioned that we need to do a better job of reporting our coverage areas so that USF/CAF program doesn’t subsidize projects that will overlap us. This echoes previous feedback from the FCC that we need to do a better job of reporting to the government and advertising to the public. We were asked about what was the biggest problem we are facing right now. Online video was at the top of the list. There was good discussion about that, and I also brought up the need for more access to middle mile in order to meet increasing consumer demands. I mentioned that most WISPs would rather put up their own middle mile than “deal with the devil” and buy access from the telcos. There is a comment that I made about fixed wireless being an excellent transitional bridge toward the end goal of fiber to every home. I have seen a couple of negative responses to that comment.The point I am making is that it makes more sense to put in fixed wireless now to deal with getting broadband to the people that don’t have it, so that they have SOMETHING instead of waiting the years or decades it will take for fiber to be installed at their homes. Everything was pretty civil, but I did toss a “grenade” at the end where I doubted that mobile wireless and satellite were going to be able to meet the 4/1 standard. I have a few meetings lined up with people here tonight and tomorrow morning and will continue to push the WISPA / fixed wireless agendas. It was a big honor to represent WISPs at this event today. I am so proud of what WISPs have done and are doing and it felt great to get in the ring and throw a few punches. Thank you to all of you who support WISPA.I can’t even tell you how much it means to me. Matt Larsen Vistabeam.com ___ WISPA Membership Mailing List --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscr
Re: [WISPA] Always climb with a buddy......
On 3/16/2011 10:07 AM, can...@believewireless.net wrote: >From the sounds of it, a "buddy" may have wacked him and stashed the body up there! But then again, I'm sure many of you climb alone in your underwear in the dead of winter. ... rugged individualists that you are... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks" Serving the WISP, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] band pass filters
A single-channel bandpass
filter will help most poor-to-middling receivers by protecting
it from overloading from the off-channel signals that the cheap
receiver front-end would otherwise let come barging in,
desensitizing the receiver and reducing the signal-to-noise
ratio.
On 3/14/2011 5:53 AM, Rogelio wrote:
For what it's worth, I had a super noisy Wi-Fi noise environment
(hundreds of clients, dozens of APs, little to no channel
coordination, etc) and got a handle on the situation by putting these
band pass filters
http://www.rflinx.com/products/filters/2400/bpf/
I got several of each, but I ended up using channel 1 mostly. When I
put that puppy in, I got like 40 dB less noise on the channels I
didn't want, and I also could not even hear other APs when I moved the
radio to channels 2-11 (there is that much isolation in the filter).
Now throughput is much smoother and higher. Before I put these in,
bandwidth would be slow and come in spurts (as evidenced by various
throughput tools like iperf and online speed tests).
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Re: [WISPA] [Wisp] HAM Operators
Licensed amateur radio operators are encouraged to join the WISPA Amateur Radio Group (WARG). Email your call sign and WISPA Member-company name (the group is for WISPA Members only) to w...@wispa.org jack On 3/12/2011 3:00 PM, Leon Zetekoff wrote: On 3/12/2011 5:03 PM, St. Louis Broadband wrote: Jack is working on a WISPA HAM Op group ;-) I think ... Jack? ~V~ -Original Message- From: j284...@yahoo.com [mailto:j284...@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 3:37 PM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wisp] HAM Operators +1 Sent from my BlackBerryR -Original Message- From: "St. Louis Broadband" Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 14:22:41 To: 'Jack Unger' Reply-To: li...@stlbroadband.com, WISPA General List Cc: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wisp] HAM Operators me too WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks" Serving the WISP, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Wisp] HAM Operators
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Re: [WISPA] 5 GHz FCC Webinar for WISP Community
Excellent point - Thanks.
jack
On 2/28/2011 7:35 AM, David E. Smith wrote:
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 20:43, Jack Unger <jun...@ask-wi.com>
wrote:
We're talking with the FCC about having them do a 5 GHz
webinar for the WISP community to address issues like:
Please make sure this addresses the whole of 5GHz, not just
that little mystery space in 5.4-5.6. To this day, I'm still
not completely certain what all the rules are for 5.2/5.3 and
5.8. Power limits, PtP versus PtMP, the whole routine.
David Smith
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[WISPA] 5 GHz FCC Webinar for WISP Community
We're talking with the FCC about having them do a 5 GHz webinar for the WISP community to address issues like: 1. TDWR Update 2. TDWR Interference-Avoidance Techniques 3. Software Configuration (what's allowed; what's not in 5 GHz) 4. Antenna Replacement (what's allowed; what's not in 5 GHz) This webinar would come directly from the FCC Lab personnel so questions about equipment certification, what's legal to build up (Mikrotik, Star OS, UBNT, etc.) are good. What other topics would everyone like to hear about? jack -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks" Serving the WISP, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] White space deployments.
Suggest you contact SpectrumBridge <http://www.spectrumbridge.com/Home.aspx>
On 2/23/2011 11:08 AM, William Phipps wrote:
Folks,
I wondered if anyone has any experience of deploying a white space
(mobile wireless) network?
I am looking into deploying a test locally and am trying to figure out
what components are required, assuming I can get the necessary
licensing permission from Ofcom (UK equivalent to FCC) to access the
unlicensed spectrum. I noticed a test network was set up in
Wilmington, North Carolina; I would be looking into how I may
establish a similar test of white space technology and am keen to get
in contact with anyone that can help.
Best wishes,
Will
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[WISPA] Puerto Rico - $25,000 FCC TDWR Enforcement Action
An FCC announcement today reported that FCC enforcement action led it to a company in San Juan Puerto Rico that was interfering with the TDWR system that serves the San Juan International Airport. The company was fined $25,000 for 1. Using equipment on an frequency that the equipment was not certified to operate on. 2. Operating without DFS. 3. Repeatedly and willfully violating the Communications Act and Part 15 rules. Jack Unger Chair - WISPA FCC Committee 818-227-4220 -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks" Serving the WISP, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] $25,0000 FCC TDWR Enforcement Action
An FCC announcement today reported that FCC enforcement action led to a Utah company that was interfering with the TDWR system that serves the Salt Lake City International Airport. The company was fined $25,000 for 1. Using equipment on an frequency that the equipment was not certified to operate on. 2. Running excessive power. 3. Disabling DFS. 4. Repeatedly and willfully violating the Communications Act and Part 15 rules. <http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-11-273A1.pdf> <http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-11-273A1.doc> <http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-11-273A1.txt> -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks" Serving the WISP, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world
Marco, Your letter makes some great points but in somewhat insulting way that may cause it to just be tossed aside rather than taken seriously. If you would like me to re-write a future letter for you so that it makes it's points in a more considerate way, I'll be happy to help you with that. I think this article shows just how far WISPs (and WISPA) need to go to make elected officials aware that "all wireless isn't mobile". They seem unaware that WISPs supply FIXED WIRELESS BROADBAND and that mobile broadband is (like Matt Larsen says) "toy broadband". Rather than piss and moan, when are we going to get our act together and get our message about the benefits of FIXED WIRELESS BROADBAND out to Congress? jack On 2/10/2011 2:27 PM, Marco Coelho wrote: Here's some more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110210/ap_on_re_us/us_obama my response: Dear Mr. President, I have built, own, and operate an Internet Service Provider (ISP) company. I have done this with my OWN money, blood, sweat, and tears for over 13 years. We presently cover 5000 square miles of previously unsupported areas. So far your broadband stimulus moneys' have done nothing for my customers but cause interference from wanabe ISPs using the peoples money to mess things up. Sure, most of them will be out of business in a couple of years, but it's still adds more work for those who have to live through it. We may even do pretty well buying up all that equipment that was purchased with the peoples monies and squandered. Leave business to the business people. We don't want your money, it came with too many strings attached. Rather than sell radio spectrum, also an asset of the people, you should designate more of it for the unlicensed bands that us WISPs use. Marco Coelho President, Argon Technologies Inc. -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks" Serving the WISP, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Your input on 5 GHz rules changes needed
On 2/9/2011 9:49 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > The proper fix for this problem is a visit from the enforcement guys, and a > nasty fine for repeat offenders. Joint FAA/FCC Enforcement teams have been out for a long time but this is a VERY costly solution and likely not sustainable in this era of shrinking budgets. That's why it's better to solve this problem before enforcement becomes the option of (costly) last resort. WISPA has suggested to the FCC that they better PUBLICIZE enforcement actions and they are considering that. > After that, what would be so hard about using sensing and DFS (done right > this time) to cause systems near the radars to notch out the 110mhz of > spectrum while not bothering anyone else? This is much more difficult that it sounds. The wireless industry has been working for over a year (manufacturers, chip makers, etc.) to do this and has so far been unable to come up with an acceptable technical solution. The effort is on hold at the moment. > The radar systems are well known, should be an easy signal to detect. They are not so easy to detect. New radar waveforms come into use. Radars go on and off-line. Wireless systems can't sit around all day just listening; they have real world traffic to handle. Again, the best minds in the industry have so far failed to figure out an acceptable solution. > The radios already tend to send a LOT of data back and forth, radio name, > signal levels, speed, language, channel used etc. etc. etc. Certainly any > radio that turns on could sense for 30 seconds, if it detects a TDWR signal > at a certain threshold, then report than back to the AP and the AP could > then lock out the needed channels for that particular location. You are more than welcome to volunteer to join the wireless "Industry Group" engineering team that has been addressing this issue for the last year. I'll be happy to introduce you to the team leader so you can sign up to contribute your engineering advice. > This should be able to be done via a firmware upgrade to any legacy or new > hardware out there. Well, the manufacturers are not stepping up to develop new firmware. This is one of the frustrations that the FCC feels. > Cheap, relatively easy, fixes the problem and does NOT take away 110mhz of > newly acquired spectrum from the rest of the country. I would welcome your help to reach out to and motivate the manufacturers to do this. Let me know when you are ready to start your outreach program. > A quick note on PR. The operator(s) there has run foot loose and fancy free > with the rules for as long as I can remember. Perhaps it's time to fine > them at a high enough level that it puts them out of business? Kind of a 3 > strikes your out thing. Yep. Sounds right. jack > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "Jack Unger" > To:; "WISPA General List" > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 1:47 PM > Subject: [WISPA Members] Your input on 5 GHz rules changes needed > > > > In spite of the noteworthy efforts on the part of many WISP operators and in > spite of a temporary decrease in the levels of TDWR interference reported to > us > by the FCC, the TDWR interference situation has unfortunately deteriorated. > The > FCC now reports that some locations (New York, Chicago, Denver and Dallas) > that > were recently “cleared” of interference are once again experiencing > significant > interference problems. The TDWR interference in San Juan Puerto Rico is so > bad > that the TDWR system had to be shut off by the FAA. This is not good news > because the FAA is pushing the FCC to solve these interference problems once > and > for all. > > Voluntary database registration has unfortunately not proven to be effective > enough. There are still some operators who apparently have not heard about > the > TDWR interference problem and some who have simply failed to bring and keep > their systems in compliance. On the supply-chain side, there are several > manufacturers and distributors who did take positive, affirmative and > responsible action to help address the problem however they were they in the > minority. Most manufacturers and distributors did not “step up to the plate” > with customer education or software upgrades. Because airline safety is a > very > important issue, it only takes a few “bad actors” to cause significant > problems > for everyone else. > > The FCC is under strong pressure to take steps to solve the interference > problem > for good. The FCC Office of Engineering and Technology has started drafting > a > Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM). We don’t know yet what new rules the > FCC > will propose. They could require that the 5570 to 5680 frequency range be > “notched out”
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Your input on 5 GHz rules changes needed
Charles, My new comments are preceded by . jack On 2/8/2011 7:14 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 02/08/2011 02:23 PM, Jack Unger wrote: >> Comments inline. >> >> jack >> >> >> On 2/8/2011 2:09 PM, Blair Davis wrote: >>> Some serious enforcement is in order. Major fines for repeated >>> offense... $100K or more for 2nd offense... >> Last month we recommended to the FCC OET that they publicize actions against >> offenders who they locate. This would help get the message out that this is a >> serious problem and that enforcement is in fact taking place. > Is that covered at http://fcc.gov/eb/Orders/Welcome.html or > http://fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/ ? I don't know how or if the FCC has acted on our recommendations but I'll ask them for more information when we meet with them this Friday. >>> I'd rather see the TDWR band notched out than any kind of required GPS >>> and database... >> Notching may be the ultimate outcome for all new equipment. The disadvantage >> is >> that notching deprives everyone from using the spectrum, even the 90% of >> operators who are nowhere near a TDWR system. > Very true. > >>> What is going on with the 3.65 stuff? I still think we need some kind >>> of license enforcement there... > Why? That was not my comment - best to ask Blair about that. >> WISPA recently had it's first 3650 Steering Committee meeting and it was >> agreed >> that major work (education, best practices, possible rules changes, etc.) is >> needed because the interference situation is getting way out of hand. > Hmmm. Interesting. That's news to me. Well, that's what one very large and responsible operator reported. > Where does one see info about the > violations? As I stated above, I don't know where the current info is published but I will ask the FCC. > Is it happening on private lists or something? Some is on the private "Phoenix" email list. I think I've also seen interference posts on WISPA's lists but I don't recall the details. You can always just ask if anyone is experiencing 365 interference and see what responses people give. > I don't > recall any complaints on the WISPA general list about it. > > There are >> also more and more illegal (unlicensed) "bootleggers" using the band. One >> solution (among many) is to use a regional email list to coordinate between >> different operators. This is in use now in Phoenix. > H. Well illegal/unlicensed use is a clear enforcement action and > should be referred to the FCC EB. We can't expect much enforcement action from the FCC on 3.65. 1) They have a very limited enforcement budget that is reserved for interference that is caused to (fully) licensed services, 2) They expect us to police ourselves, not turn to them. > Coordination among entities... as I > recall that was very vague in the R&O. Yes it is vague although we supported a filing by the Fixed Wireless Communications Coalition last year to make it less vague. Because it is vague, it's really up to us, not the FCC. If we don't demonstrate that we can make 3.65 litely-licensed spectrum work then we should not hold out of getting any more in the future. > > - -- > Charles N Wyble (char...@knownelement.com) > Systems craftsman for the stars > http://www.knownelement.com > Mobile: 626 539 4344 > Office: 310 929 8793 > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNUgaFAAoJEMvvG/TyLEAteVwP/iZ/0b6im8NQhJXXIJxR+0V9 > 3vhg+UegyqimJJkMPnwKBdSrW/i2FBVDc1LHftkn1aEOjj5GamoeiAnV6umG3VbF > r23XC5vvUCr3drosgprLr3FHXi2wQE+D+ToYCB+YdU3bklvHD/AJ4hTZKfM6ZDJK > Vo4cNflKC28o+D9qlwvjheFflhkxf1dBl7eAJe+wvxtHXqgE/tfOig+20wRXBQea > ruyD40BWNLPOCqcjafHCto3zzgTMX03hqwKqT8a+bvdqOrAoAHsZUIv7RFhOY6Xv > oVMJZMDgzrZUUCq+LHBgZZ33+Xr94uABqKz+1JMjwdCPUNe8POBOU7st6RkHPjkj > l+J55/xlV7KMq3eS+pvGEVFY7Vt26oPo1AHhIvdutkrkYVtWmAvcmPQAReTmUfZQ > QsdGv/U/mqms2Kd0ujSaGFvQk8kwC5Nl5Hi7nnObc5nbRao53z/KiB4PGycfIiw9 > N5IcL8Cay+nl+OqYYX4VdIU2laWFQh7Vst5ZH+MXk3wXvGFb0TIKexLimAdXO66Z > 3kHWXYZhEUAQ+QQQ6mJLKWAly1tlmyL3FqLrUQKNpISEWpysqOuxxpBw8jlwrdaj > Xq9F36fRZvj8CqyImQdPQaFQq5NKdANMHTXS5b3G8cBNF1/NJQUJb/8ecwuK2iw6 > FtnI80BWXzQwIe/bfPci > =3Dzr > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > > ---- > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > --
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Your input on 5 GHz rules changes needed
Comments inline. jack On 2/8/2011 2:09 PM, Blair Davis wrote: > Copied to both lists to stimulate comments on this... > > done. > > Some serious enforcement is in order. Major fines for repeated > offense... $100K or more for 2nd offense... Last month we recommended to the FCC OET that they publicize actions against offenders who they locate. This would help get the message out that this is a serious problem and that enforcement is in fact taking place. > I'd rather see the TDWR band notched out than any kind of required GPS > and database... Notching may be the ultimate outcome for all new equipment. The disadvantage is that notching deprives everyone from using the spectrum, even the 90% of operators who are nowhere near a TDWR system. > Maybe then we can get the rest of the band back to non-DFS rules. And > they can stop lumping 5180-5320 into these rules as well. It's unlikely DFS will ever go away because there are military radars throughout the 5250 - 5600 range and DFS will always be needed to avoid interfering with them. > And since we are talking about new rules... > > What is going on with the 3.65 stuff? I still think we need some kind > of license enforcement there... WISPA recently had it's first 3650 Steering Committee meeting and it was agreed that major work (education, best practices, possible rules changes, etc.) is needed because the interference situation is getting way out of hand. There are also more and more illegal (unlicensed) "bootleggers" using the band. One solution (among many) is to use a regional email list to coordinate between different operators. This is in use now in Phoenix. jack > On 2/8/2011 4:47 PM, Jack Unger wrote: >> In spite of the noteworthy efforts on the part of many WISP operators and in >> spite of a temporary decrease in the levels of TDWR interference reported to >> us >> by the FCC, the TDWR interference situation has unfortunately deteriorated. >> The >> FCC now reports that some locations (New York, Chicago, Denver and Dallas) >> that >> were recently “cleared” of interference are once again experiencing >> significant >> interference problems. The TDWR interference in San Juan Puerto Rico is so >> bad >> that the TDWR system had to be shut off by the FAA. This is not good news >> because the FAA is pushing the FCC to solve these interference problems once >> and >> for all. >> >> Voluntary database registration has unfortunately not proven to be effective >> enough. There are still some operators who apparently have not heard about >> the >> TDWR interference problem and some who have simply failed to bring and keep >> their systems in compliance. On the supply-chain side, there are several >> manufacturers and distributors who did take positive, affirmative and >> responsible action to help address the problem however they were they in the >> minority. Most manufacturers and distributors did not “step up to the plate” >> with customer education or software upgrades. Because airline safety is a >> very >> important issue, it only takes a few “bad actors” to cause significant >> problems >> for everyone else. >> >> The FCC is under strong pressure to take steps to solve the interference >> problem >> for good. The FCC Office of Engineering and Technology has started drafting a >> Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM). We don’t know yet what new rules the >> FCC >> will propose. They could require that the 5570 to 5680 frequency range be >> “notched out” for all new equipment. This would mean that we would lose the >> use >> of 110 MHz of spectrum. Another possibility is that TDWR database >> registration >> will be required of all WISPs instead the current voluntary registration for >> WISPs located near TDWRs. A third possibility is that all new equipment might >> have to automatically log into a geo-location database (similar to the TV >> White >> Space database) and receive a list of allowable frequencies. Nearby TDWR >> frequencies and a guard band around the TDWR frequency range would be >> prohibited. >> >> The FCC OET has agreed to meet with us to listen to and discuss our >> suggestions >> about ways to address the problem and what new rules should be proposed in >> the >> NPRM. I’ve prepared a short online survey for WISPA Members to see what new >> rules they prefer and what suggestions they have. Please take a few minutes >> today to review this survey and give me your feedback before I publish this >> survey to our Members. I expect that there will be a variety of opinions and >> possibly addit
[WISPA] Your input on 5 GHz rules changes needed
In spite of the noteworthy efforts on the part of many WISP operators and in spite of a temporary decrease in the levels of TDWR interference reported to us by the FCC, the TDWR interference situation has unfortunately deteriorated. The FCC now reports that some locations (New York, Chicago, Denver and Dallas) that were recently “cleared” of interference are once again experiencing significant interference problems. The TDWR interference in San Juan Puerto Rico is so bad that the TDWR system had to be shut off by the FAA. This is not good news because the FAA is pushing the FCC to solve these interference problems once and for all. Voluntary database registration has unfortunately not proven to be effective enough. There are still some operators who apparently have not heard about the TDWR interference problem and some who have simply failed to bring and keep their systems in compliance. On the supply-chain side, there are several manufacturers and distributors who did take positive, affirmative and responsible action to help address the problem however they were they in the minority. Most manufacturers and distributors did not “step up to the plate” with customer education or software upgrades. Because airline safety is a very important issue, it only takes a few “bad actors” to cause significant problems for everyone else. The FCC is under strong pressure to take steps to solve the interference problem for good. The FCC Office of Engineering and Technology has started drafting a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM). We don’t know yet what new rules the FCC will propose. They could require that the 5570 to 5680 frequency range be “notched out” for all new equipment. This would mean that we would lose the use of 110 MHz of spectrum. Another possibility is that TDWR database registration will be required of all WISPs instead the current voluntary registration for WISPs located near TDWRs. A third possibility is that all new equipment might have to automatically log into a geo-location database (similar to the TV White Space database) and receive a list of allowable frequencies. Nearby TDWR frequencies and a guard band around the TDWR frequency range would be prohibited. The FCC OET has agreed to meet with us to listen to and discuss our suggestions about ways to address the problem and what new rules should be proposed in the NPRM. I’ve prepared a short online survey for WISPA Members to see what new rules they prefer and what suggestions they have. Please take a few minutes today to review this survey and give me your feedback before I publish this survey to our Members. I expect that there will be a variety of opinions and possibly additional solutions. WISPA’s policy will be guided by whatever the majority of WISPA Members say they want. Here’s the link to the survey < http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/HPCC7BL> Most of us do not want new rules and regulations however the bottom line is that we need to save this spectrum. 110 MHz of 5 GHz spectrum is too valuable to just give up. We have to fight too hard to acquire spectrum; it wouldn’t be right for all of us to lose 110 MHz of spectrum because of the actions of a few noncompliant operators. As always, thank-you for your help. Jack Unger Chair - WISPA FCC Committee 818-227-4220 -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks" Serving the WISP, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Very Random 5GHz Noise Problem
Yes; their radars would be high-powered (perhaps megawatts). From your mountaintop location, you could have line-of-sight for 100 miles or more. If their radar was airborne, you could have LOS for 200 miles. Please keep us posted on what you turn up. jack (Chair - WISPA FCC Committee) 818-227-4220 On 2/7/2011 11:17 AM, Bret Clark wrote: > Hh...that just set off a light bulb...none in the immediate > area, but I'm sure their stuff would be high powered enough to reach > some distance. Something we are going to look into further. > > > On 02/07/2011 02:04 PM, Jack Unger wrote: >> It could be mobile military radars or during National Guard exercises, etc. >> What >> freqs are you using in the band? Does your mountain installation overlook any >> military training areas? >> >> On 2/7/2011 9:11 AM, Bret Clark wrote: >>> That's what I'm thinking but you'd think it would be happening >>> continuously. Yet we'll go several months without so much as a peep and >>> then boom...we are in interference hell. Had the problem again this >>> weekend, started Friday night, on and off all weekend, then Sunday night >>> everything is find again. I'm running out of hair to pull out of my head >>> at this point! >>> >>> Bret >>> >>> On 02/07/2011 12:05 PM, Jack Unger wrote: >>>> Bret, >>>> >>>> Sure sounds like radar to me. >>>> >>>> jack >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2/7/2011 5:18 AM, Bret Clark wrote: >>>>> It's not the clients having the problem so much as it's the base which >>>>> is up on a mountain with the radio another 100 feet in the air. I don't >>>>> think this is a consumer device causing the problem. >>>>> >>>>> On 02/07/2011 03:10 AM, RickG wrote: >>>>>> There are plenty of 5GHz home routers as well ;( >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 3:06 AM, Jeromie Reeves >>>>>>wrote: >>>>>>> 5ghz cordless phone system and just the right magic path. In one case >>>>>>> it was only a issue when one of the cars were home, but not when the >>>>>>> 2nd was also there (car vs jacked up truck). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 6:31 AM, Bret Clark >>>>>>>wrote: >>>>>>>> I saw someone mention a problem in the 900MHz yesterday, but would >>>>>>>> anyone have any ideas as too what could be causing a problem in the >>>>>>>> 5GHz >>>>>>>> range? And I'm talking the entire 5GHz range (5-6GHz). At random times >>>>>>>> throughout the day our 5GHz customer get knocked off by what looks like >>>>>>>> a frequency hopping system putting out some serious power. The >>>>>>>> frustrating thing is that it's not consistent, but very random. We can >>>>>>>> go weeks without problems and then we get nailed, mostly on the >>>>>>>> weekends >>>>>>>> or evenings, but very rarely during business hours! The randomness of >>>>>>>> the problem has made tracking it nearly impossible. We are pulling our >>>>>>>> hair out as to what could be causing it. We've contact all other >>>>>>>> operators on the tower, none of them seem to be the culprit, even >>>>>>>> contacted BAE systems down the street that works on military radar, but >>>>>>>> they say they are not doing anything. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Right now I'd take any idea/suggestion no matter how crazy they maybe! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Bret >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Bret Clark >>>>>>>> Spectra Access >>>>>>>> 25 Lowell Street >>>>>>>> Manchester, NH 03101 >>>>>>>> www.spectraaccess.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>>>>>>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>>>>>>> -
Re: [WISPA] Very Random 5GHz Noise Problem
It could be mobile military radars or during National Guard exercises, etc. What freqs are you using in the band? Does your mountain installation overlook any military training areas? On 2/7/2011 9:11 AM, Bret Clark wrote: > That's what I'm thinking but you'd think it would be happening > continuously. Yet we'll go several months without so much as a peep and > then boom...we are in interference hell. Had the problem again this > weekend, started Friday night, on and off all weekend, then Sunday night > everything is find again. I'm running out of hair to pull out of my head > at this point! > > Bret > > On 02/07/2011 12:05 PM, Jack Unger wrote: >> Bret, >> >> Sure sounds like radar to me. >> >> jack >> >> >> On 2/7/2011 5:18 AM, Bret Clark wrote: >>> It's not the clients having the problem so much as it's the base which >>> is up on a mountain with the radio another 100 feet in the air. I don't >>> think this is a consumer device causing the problem. >>> >>> On 02/07/2011 03:10 AM, RickG wrote: >>>> There are plenty of 5GHz home routers as well ;( >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 3:06 AM, Jeromie Reeves >>>> wrote: >>>>> 5ghz cordless phone system and just the right magic path. In one case >>>>> it was only a issue when one of the cars were home, but not when the >>>>> 2nd was also there (car vs jacked up truck). >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 6:31 AM, Bret Clark >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> I saw someone mention a problem in the 900MHz yesterday, but would >>>>>> anyone have any ideas as too what could be causing a problem in the 5GHz >>>>>> range? And I'm talking the entire 5GHz range (5-6GHz). At random times >>>>>> throughout the day our 5GHz customer get knocked off by what looks like >>>>>> a frequency hopping system putting out some serious power. The >>>>>> frustrating thing is that it's not consistent, but very random. We can >>>>>> go weeks without problems and then we get nailed, mostly on the weekends >>>>>> or evenings, but very rarely during business hours! The randomness of >>>>>> the problem has made tracking it nearly impossible. We are pulling our >>>>>> hair out as to what could be causing it. We've contact all other >>>>>> operators on the tower, none of them seem to be the culprit, even >>>>>> contacted BAE systems down the street that works on military radar, but >>>>>> they say they are not doing anything. >>>>>> >>>>>> Right now I'd take any idea/suggestion no matter how crazy they maybe! >>>>>> >>>>>> Bret >>>>>> >>>>>> Bret Clark >>>>>> Spectra Access >>>>>> 25 Lowell Street >>>>>> Manchester, NH 03101 >>>>>> www.spectraaccess.net >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>>>>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>>>>> >>>>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>>>> >>>>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>>>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>>>> >>>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>>> >>>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>>>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> &g
Re: [WISPA] Very Random 5GHz Noise Problem
Bret, Sure sounds like radar to me. jack On 2/7/2011 5:18 AM, Bret Clark wrote: > It's not the clients having the problem so much as it's the base which > is up on a mountain with the radio another 100 feet in the air. I don't > think this is a consumer device causing the problem. > > On 02/07/2011 03:10 AM, RickG wrote: >> There are plenty of 5GHz home routers as well ;( >> >> On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 3:06 AM, Jeromie Reeves >> wrote: >>> 5ghz cordless phone system and just the right magic path. In one case >>> it was only a issue when one of the cars were home, but not when the >>> 2nd was also there (car vs jacked up truck). >>> >>> On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 6:31 AM, Bret Clark >>> wrote: >>>> I saw someone mention a problem in the 900MHz yesterday, but would >>>> anyone have any ideas as too what could be causing a problem in the 5GHz >>>> range? And I'm talking the entire 5GHz range (5-6GHz). At random times >>>> throughout the day our 5GHz customer get knocked off by what looks like >>>> a frequency hopping system putting out some serious power. The >>>> frustrating thing is that it's not consistent, but very random. We can >>>> go weeks without problems and then we get nailed, mostly on the weekends >>>> or evenings, but very rarely during business hours! The randomness of >>>> the problem has made tracking it nearly impossible. We are pulling our >>>> hair out as to what could be causing it. We've contact all other >>>> operators on the tower, none of them seem to be the culprit, even >>>> contacted BAE systems down the street that works on military radar, but >>>> they say they are not doing anything. >>>> >>>> Right now I'd take any idea/suggestion no matter how crazy they maybe! >>>> >>>> Bret >>>> >>>> Bret Clark >>>> Spectra Access >>>> 25 Lowell Street >>>> Manchester, NH 03101 >>>> www.spectraaccess.net >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>>> >>>> >>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>>> >>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>> >>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks" Serving the WISP, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New location
5150 - 5250 Indoor only 5250 - 5350 Indoor or outdoor On 1/31/2011 9:04 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote: > Have a new potential site that has sine wireless equipment that shows up on > the spectrum analyzer from 5215-5255. Is that legal? > > Sent from my iPhone4 > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks" Serving the WISP, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Eqypt Has Been Disconnected from the Internet
Here's more <http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/> On 1/28/2011 1:50 PM, Jack Unger wrote: > I don't know but this link might yield more information. > <http://twitter.com/#search?q=egypt> > > jack > > > On 1/28/2011 1:06 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: >> Does anyone know if the PSTN is still operating in Egypt? >> >> I'm trying to get ahold of my sister who was attending school there. I >> received one email a few days ago just as the riots were starting, but >> haven't heard anything since. >> >> The landline and cell numbers I had for her are either no good, or out due >> to phone infrastructure failure. I haven't called them in a while. Usually >> we just email or Skype. >> >> -- >> Blake Covarrubias >> >> On Jan 28, 2011, at 8:00 AM, Fred Goldstein wrote: >> >>> At 1/28/2011 08:13 AM, BobM wrote: >>> >>>> BTW. Great article this month in 2843$ '!=!<8"3 !+975 ! _856 8" Romania >>>> that has more Western Union offices than New York has Starbucks all due to >>>> Internet scams >>>> Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless >>> Yes, 2843$ '!=!<8"3 !+975 ! _856 8" is one of my favorite newspapers too. >>> ;-) >>> >>> (Hmmm, the Droid doesn't have a numeric row on its hard keyboard; it uses >>> something reminiscent of the LTRS/FIGS shift on the 3-row Baudot keyboards >>> of the past.) >>>-- >>>Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein "at" ionary.com >>>ionary Consultinghttp://www.ionary.com/ >>>+1 617 795 2701 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks" Serving the WISP, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Eqypt Has Been Disconnected from the Internet
I don't know but this link might yield more information. <http://twitter.com/#search?q=egypt> jack On 1/28/2011 1:06 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: > Does anyone know if the PSTN is still operating in Egypt? > > I'm trying to get ahold of my sister who was attending school there. I > received one email a few days ago just as the riots were starting, but > haven't heard anything since. > > The landline and cell numbers I had for her are either no good, or out due to > phone infrastructure failure. I haven't called them in a while. Usually we > just email or Skype. > > -- > Blake Covarrubias > > On Jan 28, 2011, at 8:00 AM, Fred Goldstein wrote: > >> At 1/28/2011 08:13 AM, BobM wrote: >> >>> BTW. Great article this month in 2843$ '!=!<8"3 !+975 ! _856 8" Romania >>> that has more Western Union offices than New York has Starbucks all due to >>> Internet scams >>> Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless >> Yes, 2843$ '!=!<8"3 !+975 ! _856 8" is one of my favorite newspapers too. >> ;-) >> >> (Hmmm, the Droid doesn't have a numeric row on its hard keyboard; it uses >> something reminiscent of the LTRS/FIGS shift on the 3-row Baudot keyboards >> of the past.) >> -- >> Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein "at" ionary.com >> ionary Consultinghttp://www.ionary.com/ >> +1 617 795 2701 >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks" Serving the WISP, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] OT: Eqypt Has Been Disconnected from the Internet
Sorry for the OT post. I thought some might be interested. *** Confirming what a few have reported this evening: in an action unprecedented in Internet history, the Egyptian government appears to have ordered service providers to shut down all international connections to the Internet. Critical European-Asian fiber-optic routes through Egypt appear to be unaffected for now. But every Egyptian provider, every business, bank, Internet cafe, website, school, embassy, and government office that relied on the big four Egyptian ISPs for their Internet connectivity is now cut off from the rest of the world. Link Egypt, Vodafone/Raya, Telecom Egypt, Etisalat Misr, and all their customers and partners are, for the moment, off the air. At 22:34 UTC (00:34am local time), Renesys observed the virtually simultaneous withdrawal of all routes to Egyptian networks in the Internet's global routing table. Approximately 3,500 individual BGP routes were withdrawn, leaving no valid paths by which the rest of the world could continue to exchange Internet traffic with Egypt's service providers. Virtually all of Egypt's Internet addresses are now unreachable, worldwide. **** -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks" Serving the WISP, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TV White Space Database Administrators Selected
Yes On 1/26/2011 2:03 PM, Dylan Bouterse wrote: > So 9 parties applied and 9 were selected? > > Dylan > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Jack Unger > Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 4:58 PM > To: WISPA General List; memb...@wispa.org > Subject: [WISPA] TV White Space Database Administrators Selected > > The FCC today announced the selection of nine TV White Space database > administrators. This brings us one step closer to being able to deploy > TVWS > networks (once the databases are online and equipment is available). > > Here's a link to the announcement: > > <http://www.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0126/DA-11-131A > 1.pdf> > > More details later after reading the announcement in full. > > jack > 818-227-4220 > > -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks" Serving the WISP, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] TV White Space Database Administrators Selected
The FCC today announced the selection of nine TV White Space database administrators. This brings us one step closer to being able to deploy TVWS networks (once the databases are online and equipment is available). Here's a link to the announcement: <http://www.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0126/DA-11-131A1.pdf> More details later after reading the announcement in full. jack 818-227-4220 -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks" Serving the WISP, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combat child porn
The following information is offered for your personal use only. It contains no added starch, sugar or editorial content. It was not processed on any machinery that also processes eggs or nuts. * House Judiciary Chairman Lamar Smith says new laws are needed that would force companies to save private data in order to help law enforcement combat child pornography. Smith said at a hearing on Tuesday that Internet access providers should be forced to save personal details linked to users' IP addresses as a way to help combat child pornography. In the last Congress, he introduced a bill requiring they do so for two years... LINK: <http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/139945-smith-companies-must-save-more-data-to-combat-child-porn> *** -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks" Serving the WISP, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2.4 foliage propagation
On 1/18/2011 4:46 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > I know it sucks compared to lower frequencies. Yes > I know it typically has a high noise floor. Foliage doesn't create noise, only attenuates signal. > I've never used it outdoor for real world experience. > > I'm looking at some small towns and other groups of houses with no more > than 300 people or so (some much smaller). They are old, so they have > adult trees. Is it reasonable to expect to be able to service these > homes with 18 dBi at the CPE and 20 dB at the tower? ERP or transmit power? Plan to mount all your antennas (AP and CPE) above the trees or else... > -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks" Serving the WISP, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Clarification for TDWR registration
Don't register gear operating in 5725-5850. Only register gear
operating in 5470-5725.
On 1/13/2011 10:43 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
So regarding 3 - register everything in the 5Ghz band?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Jack
Unger <jun...@ask-wi.com>
wrote:
Josh,
There is clear value to the WISP industry if you register
your base station locations because -
1. There is a serious interference problem to TDWRs. The FAA
desperately wants to end this problem.
2. The FAA is pressuring the FCC to take action to end the
problem.
3. The current "solution" is to ask WISPs to register their
(base) station locations in the database. Doing so gives the
FCC a visible sign to point to and to show the FAA that the
problem is being resolved because, in theory, having base
stations (or both ends of a point-to-point link) registered
allows the FAA/FCC direction-finding enforcement teams to
quickly rule out registered WISPs as the source of a
problem, thus making their job of finding the actual
interference source that much quicker.
So even if you are staying clear of a TDWR frequency,
registering still helps to show the FAA and FCC that the
WISP industry is cooperating in the effort to end the TDWR
interference problem.
jack
On 1/13/2011 7:19 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Jack,
That is clear and I am practicing that. My concern
was the database.
Would it help to know I have nothing near those
frequencies? Is it only for people operating 30-100
Mhz within a TDWR? I guess I just miss the point of
the website. If operators stay away from the "bad"
frequencies what's the point of the website?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 10:15
AM, Jack Unger <jun...@ask-wi.com>
wrote:
Josh,
The band is 5470 to 5725. This includes the
5600-5650 part that the TDWRs use.
If you are within 30 km of a TDWR, you should
stay at least 30 MHz away from it (below and
above). For example, if the TDWR is at 5610 then
you should exclude 5580 to 5640. If you are
further away but within line-of-sight of the
TDWR (like on a high mountain) you should also
stay 30 MHz away.
Did I say that clearly?
jack
On 1/13/2011 6:56 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
In regards to this voluntary database:
http://spectrumbridge.com/udrs/home.aspx
Are you looking for anything operating in
the 5.4 band or anything in the 5.x (5.2
to 5.7) band?
I personally have nothing close (RF wise)
to TDWR. Closest being 5715 (75 Mhz
away).
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
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Re: [WISPA] Clarification for TDWR registration
Josh,
There is clear value to the WISP industry if you register your base
station locations because -
1. There is a serious interference problem to TDWRs. The FAA
desperately wants to end this problem.
2. The FAA is pressuring the FCC to take action to end the problem.
3. The current "solution" is to ask WISPs to register their (base)
station locations in the database. Doing so gives the FCC a visible
sign to point to and to show the FAA that the problem is being
resolved because, in theory, having base stations (or both ends of a
point-to-point link) registered allows the FAA/FCC direction-finding
enforcement teams to quickly rule out registered WISPs as the source
of a problem, thus making their job of finding the actual
interference source that much quicker.
So even if you are staying clear of a TDWR frequency, registering
still helps to show the FAA and FCC that the WISP industry is
cooperating in the effort to end the TDWR interference problem.
jack
On 1/13/2011 7:19 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Jack,
That is clear and I am practicing that. My concern was the
database.
Would it help to know I have nothing near those frequencies? Is
it only for people operating 30-100 Mhz within a TDWR? I guess I
just miss the point of the website. If operators stay away from
the "bad" frequencies what's the point of the website?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Jack
Unger <jun...@ask-wi.com>
wrote:
Josh,
The band is 5470 to 5725. This includes the 5600-5650 part
that the TDWRs use.
If you are within 30 km of a TDWR, you should stay at least
30 MHz away from it (below and above). For example, if the
TDWR is at 5610 then you should exclude 5580 to 5640. If you
are further away but within line-of-sight of the TDWR (like
on a high mountain) you should also stay 30 MHz away.
Did I say that clearly?
jack
On 1/13/2011 6:56 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
In regards to this voluntary database:
http://spectrumbridge.com/udrs/home.aspx
Are you looking for anything operating in the 5.4 band
or anything in the 5.x (5.2 to 5.7) band?
I personally have nothing close (RF wise) to TDWR.
Closest being 5715 (75 Mhz away).
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
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Re: [WISPA] Clarification for TDWR registration
Josh, The band is 5470 to 5725. This includes the 5600-5650 part that the TDWRs use. If you are within 30 km of a TDWR, you should stay at least 30 MHz away from it (below and above). For example, if the TDWR is at 5610 then you should exclude 5580 to 5640. If you are further away but within line-of-sight of the TDWR (like on a high mountain) you should also stay 30 MHz away. Did I say that clearly? jack On 1/13/2011 6:56 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: In regards to this voluntary database: http://spectrumbridge.com/udrs/home.aspx Are you looking for anything operating in the 5.4 band or anything in the 5.x (5.2 to 5.7) band? I personally have nothing close (RF wise) to TDWR. Closest being 5715 (75 Mhz away). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks" Serving the WISP, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ping
Yes but it's hard-are than it looks.
On 1/10/2011 9:56 PM, Blair Davis wrote:
Naw... You can fix anything with software...
On 1/10/2011 11:34 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote:
Bob - I miss your humor
being next door :-)
How many programers dose it take to change a light bulb?
None – It’s a hardare problem
On Jan 10, 2011, at 10:59 PM, Robert West wrote:
Nope.
Didn’t get it. Adjust your tri-speck angular
SSL packet filter and try it again.
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marco
Coelho
Sent: Monday,
January 10, 2011 10:53 PM
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General List
Subject: [WISPA]
Ping
I'm
getting bounces on my posts. Test.
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[WISPA] FCC Commish: No need for net neutrality; we have white spaces!
Speechless, I am... "Critics of US broadband want one of two things: "open access" rules that would create greater ISP competition of the kind that actually existed in the early 2000s or, barring that, net neutrality rules to keep ISPs from abusing their market power. But according to FCC Commissioner Robert McDowell, we don't need either policy—white space devices make both approaches unnecessary... " <http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/09/fcc-commish-no-need-for-net-neutrality-we-have-white-spaces.ars> -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks" Serving the WISP, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.
d with OLD wisp in a roundabout way but chose not to use him for whatever reason) It’s reported that boy is in love with Bullets and OMNI antennas on all of his APs. For CPEs he goes for large grids and Bullets, I believe. He also pushes it as far as he can go, 5 miles or more on those OMNI APs. New operator is using 5.8 for Back Haul, 2.4 for CPE. Old WISP calls new WISP almost immediately. Interference taking down his network. New wisp changes channels to those suggested by old wisp. Calls again, interference. New wisp changes channels again. Another phone call, he changes yet again. Then drops down to 10MHz channels to give more room. Still the phone calls. For a time it was every evening he would have to deal with old wisp and still he wouldn’t be happy. Old wisp then starts calling the owners of the grain legs raising hell and bad mouthing new wisp. Leg owner calls new wisp, “What’s Up?” Old wisp then wants to sell his network to new wisp for fantasy cash. I tell new wisp, “Chill, don’t even think of buying that idiot and his duct tape network”. New wisp then buys a 3.65 license but we all know how long that sucker takes and the limitations it has with number of channels and the $$ premium per unit. New wisp has been very nice to all parties and has done, from what I see, about all he can do. He’s within all power regulations and has bent over backwards to every request put to him by this guy. (One of the last comments from old WISP was that he would get a sector and, in so many words, blast him and take down his network) Now the latest. Old wisp has contacted the leg owners and has put together a meeting between old wisp, all of new wisps grain leg owners, new wisp and two outside parties, one of which is related to old wisp boy. New Wisp is at a loss to what more can be accomplished other than old wisp upgrade his OMNIs to sectors in order to isolate the RF away from a competing channel. Anyone have any solid resolutions that he can throw out to old wisp boy ? Surely someone here has been there before. Thanks! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3346 - Release Date: 12/29/10 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks" Serving the WISP, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com
Re: [WISPA] High Power RF close-proximity on tower question
There is QUITE a difference between a separation distance of 20 ft and a separation distance of 100 yards. Remember the inverse-square law - RF intensity decreases as the SQUARE of the separation distance. 100 yards is 300 feet and 20 feet goes into 300 feet 15 times so the RF intensity at 100 yards is the inverse of 15 squared (15X15) or the inverse of 225. Inverting 225 means that the intensity at 100 yards is only 1/225th as much as at 20 feet. Scott's equipment is going to be exposed to 225 times greater RF energy than yours so his equipment is likely to be overloaded with receiver de-sensitization while your equipment may be OK. The solution is to "do everything right" as Scott says. The 11 GHz equipment is likely so far away from the FM and TV frequencies that it is probably OK. The solution for 2.4 and 5 GHz is use proper bandpass filters between the antennas and the equipment then test to see if the receivers seem to have full sensitivity or not. jack On 12/20/2010 2:34 PM, Bret Clark wrote: >> On 12/20/2010 1:30 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: >>> Ok, I've dealt with up to about 20KW on FM transmitter 20 feet away >>> and dealt with it decently. >>> >>> Now I'm told one of our installs of gear on a tower is about to get a >>> 100KW 20ft above my gear and a TV antenna 20ft below it at 700KW >>> channel 39 I think. >>> >>> Anyone have gear running close to this kind of high-power antennas? >>> Am I screwed or will I be able to have my equipment work int his RF >>> environment? Assume I did everything right (grounded metal box, >>> shielded cable soldered drain wires, ferrite cores on the cables etc...). >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Scott Carullo >>> Technical Operations >>> 855-FLSPEED x102 > > We are running 5.8 and 3.65 stuff on towers with 100KW TV systems on the > tower located about a 100 yards from us on another tower...no problems. > Probably not much difference between 100KW 20 feet or 100 yards apart. > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > ---- > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks" Serving the WISP, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] High Power RF close-proximity on tower question
What gear are you running?
On 12/20/2010 1:30 PM, Scott Carullo wrote:
Ok, I've dealt with up to about 20KW on FM transmitter 20 feet
away and dealt with it decently.
Now I'm told one of our installs of gear on a tower is about to
get a 100KW 20ft above my gear and a TV antenna 20ft below it at
700KW channel 39 I think.
Anyone have gear running close to this kind of high-power
antennas? Am I screwed or will I be able to have my equipment
work int his RF environment? Assume I did everything right
(grounded metal box, shielded cable soldered drain wires,
ferrite cores on the cables etc...).
Thanks
Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
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[WISPA] Verizon, AT&T split on approach to FCC
(My thanks to Dewayne Hendricks for forwarding the following link) The two telco giants appear to diverge on their positions on net neutrality rules or rather, on who should make net neutrality rules. http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/131063-verizon-atat-split-on-approach-to-fcc-dealmaking jack -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks" Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Remember to keep the "Thanks" in Thanksgiving WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel
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Re: [WISPA] WISP Cited for illegal Ubiquiti RocketM5 5GHz use back in June...
Comments inline. On 10/30/2010 1:24 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote: > At 10/30/2010 02:53 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: >> Anyone else catch this? >> >> http://www.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2010/db0720/DOC-300297A1.pdf > I seem to recall its coming up in a thread around then, but can't > find it offhand. However, it is tied to the TDWR issue, and in > August, WISPA and SpectrumBridge set up a TDWR database to help get > this fixed. So just this month, the FCC has started processing new > approvals for the 5475-5725 band. Good work on WISPA's part. Maybe > the UBNT radios will get the DFS needed to pass. > > I don't really see why DFS is needed if you stay away from the > 5600-5650 TDWR band, but that's the FCC for you... maybe there are > some other radars on the other frequencies though. The military uses radar systems in the lower part of the 5470-5725 MHz band. That's why DFS is needed for the entire band. > That band is > legal in most other countries, so it's in the products. And of > course we Part 97 licensees can play (I do mean that literally, not > commercial use) with radios on all sorts of frequencies, like 5850-5875. ;-) > >-- >Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein "at" ionary.com >ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ >+1 617 795 2701 > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks" Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Got a Dallas room reservation you don't need?
That's handy. Do you know if they've got rooms and at what rate? On 10/22/2010 2:19 PM, Leroy wrote: > The springhill suites is offering free shuttle service every 30 mins to the > conference center. > > Leroy > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Forbes Mercy > Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 5:07 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Got a Dallas room reservation you don't need? > > Same boat you're in. > > Forbes > > On 10/22/2010 1:33 PM, Jack Unger wrote: >> Has anybody reserved a room at the Broadband Expo hotel (Gaylord Texan) > for >> November 2 that they don't need? >> >> When I reserved a few weeks ago, they had no rooms available for that > night and >> they "wait-listed" me. They say there still are no rooms available for the > 2nd. >> If you have a room reservation for that night that you aren't going to > need, >> maybe we could get them to change it over to my name. >> >> Just asking >> >> jack >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > ---- > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks" Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Got a Dallas room reservation you don't need?
Has anybody reserved a room at the Broadband Expo hotel (Gaylord Texan) for November 2 that they don't need? When I reserved a few weeks ago, they had no rooms available for that night and they "wait-listed" me. They say there still are no rooms available for the 2nd. If you have a room reservation for that night that you aren't going to need, maybe we could get them to change it over to my name. Just asking.... jack -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks" Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Every email and website to be stored
Every email, phone call and website visit is to be recorded and stored after the Coalition Government revived controversial Big Brother snooping plans. It will allow security services and the police to spy on the activities of every Briton who uses a phone or the internet. Moves to make every communications provider store details for at least a year will be unveiled later this year sparking fresh fears over a return of the surveillance state,,, <http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/8075563/Every-email-and-website-to-be-stored.html> -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks" Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISPA Ex Parte Filing from yesterday
Oops, typo corrected in 2nd line below (added the word "you"). On 10/14/2010 5:44 PM, Jack Unger wrote: >Hello Fred, > > Regarding "snarky insults" - a simple review of this email thread reveals that > the only "snarky insults" are the ones that you contributed. > > Please review WISPA's mailing list policies > at<http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=9>. > > Regarding your "strong RF and regulatory background" I offer the following for > your consideration. > > 1. Join WISPA. A quick review of WISPA's billing server did not return either > your name or your domain name. Of course, if you are (or once you become) a > WISPA Member then go to step 2 (below). > > 2. Join WISPA's FCC Committee and apply your expertise by working with WISPA's > dedicated, FCC Committee Members who volunteer hundreds of hours of work to > keep > abreast of wireless technology and who discuss, draft and file WISPA's FCC > comments. > > Again, have a great day. > > jack > > > > On 10/14/2010 5:28 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote: >> At 10/14/2010 08:16 PM, you wrote: >>> Fred, >>> >>> If you don't know how to use this then don't use it. Simple. >> Making snarky insults doesn't answer the question. Quite frankly I >> have a pretty strong RF and regulatory background so it is not a good >> idea to treat me like a dunce. So I'll ask the question >> differently. Do I need to create a new petition or did you address >> the up-the-hill WISP subscriber issue? >> >> I am looking at potential subscriber locations above 75m HAAT. So I >> want WISPs to be able to put a radio there. I'm really confused at >> what you're trying to do. Do you really call subscriber units (I'm >> imagining the TVWS version of a NanoStation) "receive only" (I >> don't), or do you really only want receivers? Which of course don't >> fall under those rules anyway. >> >>> Thank-you for your opinion and have a good day. >>> >>> jack >>> >>> >>> On 10/14/2010 5:13 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote: >>>> At 10/14/2010 06:35 PM, you wrote: >>>>> Fred, >>>>> >>>>> Sites with TVWS receiving equipment instead of TVWS base stations >>>>> that transmit. >>>> Yes, which is worth precisely zero to a WISP, since we need two-way >>>> transceivers. The only receive-only equipment is what goes with >>>> wireless mics; the mics themselves are transmit only. >>>> >>>>> jack >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 10/14/2010 3:22 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote: >>>>>> At 10/14/2010 06:12 PM, you wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Steve Coran (respresenting WISPA), Comsearch, Motorola and Spectrum >>>>>>> Bridge met with Julius Knapp and others from the FCC OET office >>>>>>> yesterday in regard to certain limiting factors in the TVWS >>>>>>> Memorandum Report& Order language. Below is the Ex parte Filing >>>>>>> that was made today. >>>>>> Rick, when you guys said "to remove the HAAT restriction for >>>>>> receive-only sites", did you really mean receive-only, or did you >>>>>> mean the PtP subscriber (slave) station that talks to the "tower"? >>>>>> >>>>>> I am glad to see action this soon on the 76-meter issue, since it not >>>>>> only impacts tower locations, but subscriber sites. >> -- >> Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein "at" ionary.com >> ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ >> +1 617 795 2701 >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks" Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISPA Ex Parte Filing from yesterday
Hello Fred, Regarding "snarky insults" - a simple review of this email thread reveals that the only "snarky insults" are the ones that contributed. Please review WISPA's mailing list policies at <http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=9>. Regarding your "strong RF and regulatory background" I offer the following for your consideration. 1. Join WISPA. A quick review of WISPA's billing server did not return either your name or your domain name. Of course, if you are (or once you become) a WISPA Member then go to step 2 (below). 2. Join WISPA's FCC Committee and apply your expertise by working with WISPA's dedicated, FCC Committee Members who volunteer hundreds of hours of work to keep abreast of wireless technology and who discuss, draft and file WISPA's FCC comments. Again, have a great day. jack On 10/14/2010 5:28 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote: > At 10/14/2010 08:16 PM, you wrote: >>Fred, >> >> If you don't know how to use this then don't use it. Simple. > Making snarky insults doesn't answer the question. Quite frankly I > have a pretty strong RF and regulatory background so it is not a good > idea to treat me like a dunce. So I'll ask the question > differently. Do I need to create a new petition or did you address > the up-the-hill WISP subscriber issue? > > I am looking at potential subscriber locations above 75m HAAT. So I > want WISPs to be able to put a radio there. I'm really confused at > what you're trying to do. Do you really call subscriber units (I'm > imagining the TVWS version of a NanoStation) "receive only" (I > don't), or do you really only want receivers? Which of course don't > fall under those rules anyway. > >> Thank-you for your opinion and have a good day. >> >> jack >> >> >> On 10/14/2010 5:13 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote: >>> At 10/14/2010 06:35 PM, you wrote: >>>> Fred, >>>> >>>> Sites with TVWS receiving equipment instead of TVWS base stations >>>> that transmit. >>> Yes, which is worth precisely zero to a WISP, since we need two-way >>> transceivers. The only receive-only equipment is what goes with >>> wireless mics; the mics themselves are transmit only. >>> >>>> jack >>>> >>>> >>>> On 10/14/2010 3:22 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote: >>>>> At 10/14/2010 06:12 PM, you wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Steve Coran (respresenting WISPA), Comsearch, Motorola and Spectrum >>>>>> Bridge met with Julius Knapp and others from the FCC OET office >>>>>> yesterday in regard to certain limiting factors in the TVWS >>>>>> Memorandum Report&Order language. Below is the Ex parte Filing >>>>>> that was made today. >>>>> Rick, when you guys said "to remove the HAAT restriction for >>>>> receive-only sites", did you really mean receive-only, or did you >>>>> mean the PtP subscriber (slave) station that talks to the "tower"? >>>>> >>>>> I am glad to see action this soon on the 76-meter issue, since it not >>>>> only impacts tower locations, but subscriber sites. >-- >Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein "at" ionary.com >ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ >+1 617 795 2701 > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks" Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISPA Ex Parte Filing from yesterday
Fred, If you don't know how to use this then don't use it. Simple. Thank-you for your opinion and have a good day. jack On 10/14/2010 5:13 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote: > At 10/14/2010 06:35 PM, you wrote: >>Fred, >> >> Sites with TVWS receiving equipment instead of TVWS base stations >> that transmit. > Yes, which is worth precisely zero to a WISP, since we need two-way > transceivers. The only receive-only equipment is what goes with > wireless mics; the mics themselves are transmit only. > >> jack >> >> >> On 10/14/2010 3:22 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote: >>> At 10/14/2010 06:12 PM, you wrote: >>> >>>> Steve Coran (respresenting WISPA), Comsearch, Motorola and Spectrum >>>> Bridge met with Julius Knapp and others from the FCC OET office >>>> yesterday in regard to certain limiting factors in the TVWS >>>> Memorandum Report& Order language. Below is the Ex parte Filing >>>> that was made today. >>> Rick, when you guys said "to remove the HAAT restriction for >>> receive-only sites", did you really mean receive-only, or did you >>> mean the PtP subscriber (slave) station that talks to the "tower"? >>> >>> I am glad to see action this soon on the 76-meter issue, since it not >>> only impacts tower locations, but subscriber sites. >>> >>> -- >>> Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein "at" ionary.com >>> ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ >>> +1 617 795 2701 >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >> -- >> Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. >> Author - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks" >> Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 >> www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >-- >Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein "at" ionary.com >ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ >+1 617 795 2701 > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks" Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISPA Ex Parte Filing from yesterday
Fred, Sites with TVWS receiving equipment instead of TVWS base stations that transmit. jack On 10/14/2010 3:22 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote: > At 10/14/2010 06:12 PM, you wrote: > >> Steve Coran (respresenting WISPA), Comsearch, Motorola and Spectrum >> Bridge met with Julius Knapp and others from the FCC OET office >> yesterday in regard to certain limiting factors in the TVWS >> Memorandum Report& Order language. Below is the Ex parte Filing >> that was made today. > Rick, when you guys said "to remove the HAAT restriction for > receive-only sites", did you really mean receive-only, or did you > mean the PtP subscriber (slave) station that talks to the "tower"? > > I am glad to see action this soon on the 76-meter issue, since it not > only impacts tower locations, but subscriber sites. > >-- >Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein "at" ionary.com >ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ >+1 617 795 2701 > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks" Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Not this again
Faisal,
Thank you for taking the time to search and locate the prefix for
the FCC ID. That prefix does indicate that the amplifier is
certified as part of a kit using the WLAN-LCUSB-03 wireless adapter.
So if Greg wants to extend the range of his computer using this
particular adapter on Channel 6 then this complete kit (or similar)
will be legal for him to use.
From L-Com's website
"The USB 802.11g adapter included with this kit is a L-com
WLAN-LCUSB-03. This adapter features a reverse polarity SMA
antenna port for use with the included rubber duck antenna. For
proper operation, the drivers and wireless utility included on
the CD in the kit must be installed. Note: The USB wireless
adapter included with this kit is factory set to operate on
channel 6 only."
Greg hasn't advised whether this is the use that he wants to put
this kit to so I await further information from him regarding his
intended use.
By the way, it seems rather unfortunate (or perhaps very deliberate)
that L-Com also includes on the same webpage the following:
Similar Products In Stock
100 mW 2.4 GHz 802.11g Indoor WiFi Amplifier, RP-TNC Connectors
100 mW 2.4 GHz 802.11g Indoor WiFi Amplifier, RP-TNC
Connectors
Your Price: $129.90
Availability: In Stock
So here they are advertising the same line of amplifiers NOT as part
of a certified kit but all alone. Yet it is illegal to sell
amplifiers that are not part of a certified kit, right? No, it is
legal to sell them if they are "replacement" amplifiers intended to
replace a amplifier that IS part of a certified kit but in which the
original amplifier has failed and needs replacement.
Is L-Com truly being ethical here and following the law or are they
deliberately making it possible to buy amplifiers which are legal
only under very limited, not-really-very- useful for legitimate WISP
conditions?
You decide.
And then there are their 25-watt 2.4 GHz amplifiers that are sold
NOT as a part of any certified kit. Is that ethical? Well, they
include the language "These amplifier products are
available only for export, military, licensed amateur radio and
OEM component sales and are not offered for general sale within
the USA.". I guess that make it OK, right?
jack
On 10/14/2010 12:20 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
From L-Com's website Product Description:-
Note:
This Hyperlink bi-directional amplifier is designed for burst
half-duplex operation. It is not intended for constant transmit or CW
operation. Operation of the amplifier in CW mode will damage the
amplifier and void the warranty.
FCC PART 15 NOTICE:
This amplifier can be used only in a system which it has obtained
authorization. The authorized systems by FCC Identifier are as follows: MYF
From FCC's Website.
---
https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=97587&fcc_id='MYF-WL2401'
--
. So what exactly are we discussing ?
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
On 10/14/2010 3:01 PM, Jack Unger wrote:
Greg,
I hate to use the word "hate" because that's an emotion best saved for people
who engage in really, really, really bad practices so let me just say that
companies that lie about what they are sell (telling people that it's legal when
it's not) are about the worst of the worst kind of people.
I've looked at L-Com's webpage in the past and my impression was that they were
lying with their words by implying that sales and use of their products was
legal when it appeared to not be legal.
Looking at the page (and similar higher-power amp pages) that you pointed out,
it sure looks like IF they are not lying outright they are at least trying to
use a sneaky (lying) method of getting around the FCC rules. Selling an
amplifier as part of a kit with a USB wireless card that only works on Channel 6
and including a rubber duck antenna that fits on the USB card makes no logical
sense therefore leading me to the conclusion that inclusion of the USB card is
just a dodge to create a "kit" that really allows them to sell amplifiers.
They call their amps "certified" but nowhere that I can see do they say the
amplifier is "FCC certified". To cut to the chase, just call them and ask them
for the FCC ID number of the "kit" that you want to purchase. All the other
mumbo-jumbo on their webpage ("no FCC forms needed"
Re: [WISPA] Not this again
Greg,
I hate to use the word "hate" because that's an emotion best saved for people
who engage in really, really, really bad practices so let me just say that
companies that lie about what they are sell (telling people that it's legal
when
it's not) are about the worst of the worst kind of people.
I've looked at L-Com's webpage in the past and my impression was that they were
lying with their words by implying that sales and use of their products was
legal when it appeared to not be legal.
Looking at the page (and similar higher-power amp pages) that you pointed out,
it sure looks like IF they are not lying outright they are at least trying to
use a sneaky (lying) method of getting around the FCC rules. Selling an
amplifier as part of a kit with a USB wireless card that only works on Channel
6
and including a rubber duck antenna that fits on the USB card makes no logical
sense therefore leading me to the conclusion that inclusion of the USB card is
just a dodge to create a "kit" that really allows them to sell amplifiers.
They call their amps "certified" but nowhere that I can see do they say the
amplifier is "FCC certified". To cut to the chase, just call them and ask them
for the FCC ID number of the "kit" that you want to purchase. All the other
mumbo-jumbo on their webpage ("no FCC forms needed", etc.) is just bullshit
calculated to confuse potential buyers into thinking that the amplifier
purchase
and use is legal.
Last but not least, for what purpose do you plan to use the amplifier? 9 times
out of 10 there is a better and more effective way to get the results that you
need.
jack
818-227-4220
On 10/14/2010 11:33 AM, Greg Ihnen wrote:
> I'm sure some people will be saying "oh not this discussion again" but I've
> just got to ask. L-Com is selling "FCC certified systems" and they go into
> detail to explain that their system are available without license or special
> requirement because it's not just an amplifier but rather a complete system.
> Clicking on a link in their email brings you here
> http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=25975&CMP=101410. I assumed this was an AP
> with amplifier and antenna which the FCC could determine it's eirp and
> overall compliance and certify. But it's a wireless NIC for a computer with
> an antenna, and a bare amplifier. There's no way the FCC could take cable
> loss and antenna gain into account. The amps go from 100mW to 1W. How can
> this possibly be certified if the amp isn't paired with an antenna? What 1W
> amp and antenna combination could possibly yield a legal eirp? The antenna
> would have to be a leaky dummy load. It surprises me that this could be
> viewed as a "system" by the FCC and wo
ul
> d receive certification to be put in the hands of the general public. It
> seems to be that the sale of these "systems" would be a bane to the WISP
> community.
>
> Are these truly FCC certified?
>
> Greg
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Workers Trapped in Hollywood Water Tower Tank
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Re: [WISPA] Transmit Antenna Height
Excellent explanation. Thanks. Fred and Jack Antenna Height - Height is restricted to 30 meters above HAAT (height above average terrain) of 76 meters this can be calculated here. »www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/bickel/haat···tor.html Where it asks this question (Enter the height (in meters) of the antenna radiation center above mean sea level (RCAMSL)) Enter your site elevation NOT the antenna radiation center because you get to go 30 meters above ground level at that point. ref: Second Memorandum Opinion and Order (paragraph - 66) Frank Frank On 9/30/2010 7:37 PM, Jack Unger wrote: Fred, I'm sorry to seem dense but I don't understand your explanation below. I'd appreciate it if you would re-explain. The FCC said: "transmit antenna used with fixed devices may not be more than 30 meters above the ground. In addition, fixed devices may not be located at sites where the height above average terrain (HAAT) at ground level is more than 76 meters". I'm trying to reconcile that with your statements. Could you please re-explain more clearly or by using better actual numbers (both HAAT at ground level and antenna height above ground)? Thanks in advance, jack On 9/23/2010 4:48 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote: The rules allow antenna heights up to 30 meters, around 100 feet. One problem with the maximum HAAT limit is that it applies to the ground height, based on having a 30 meter high antenna. In other words, the ruling assumed a maximum antenna HAAT, and then set the ground HAAT to be 30m below that. If somebody's house is >10m below the limit, then a 10m antenna should be legal. (The minimum antenna height went away, since sensing is no longer required. That frankly seems to be the only major improvement in the rules.) Brian From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 7:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Transmit Antenna Height Yeah, that really sucks. Many areas needing served have thick forest/trees easilly 70ft tall. A 90ft height, just wouldn't allow enough of the signal to have open air, and the signal would be going through trees most of the full path. In 900Mhz, the difference between having the tower side over the tree line and below the tree line can be the difference between a quarter mile coverage and a 7 mile coverage in our market. All be it, 700Mhz does have better NLOS propogation characteristics than 900 does. I would have liked to see that height doubled. However, admittedly, it will allow much better spectrum re-use in areas that have a limited number of channels available. Spectrum reuse is one of the best ways to serve more people. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Fred Goldstein To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Transmit Antenna Height This item alone may be the show-stopper, the poison pill that makes it useless to WISPs in much of the country. In places where the routine variation in elevation is more than 75 meters, there will be houses (subscribers) that are more than 76 meters AAT. I notice this in the areas I'm studying, both in the east and in the upper midwest. In a place like Kansas, nobody is >75m AAT. But in the woody Berkshires of Western Massachusetts, the UHF space is needed to get through the trees, and a
Re: [WISPA] Transmit Antenna Height
Commission’s intent that fixed devices include their height when querying the database because the available channels for fixed devices cannot be determined without this information.131 We are therefore modifying Sections 15.711(b)(3) and 15.713(f)(3) to indicate that fixed devices must submit their antenna height above ground to the database. 68. We continue to decline to establish height limits for personal/portable devices. As the Commission stated in the Second Report and Order, there is no practical way to enforce such limits, and such limits are not necessary due to the different technical and operational characteristics of personal/portable devices. -- Fred Goldstein k1io fgoldstein "at" ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Fred Goldstein k1io fgoldstein "at" ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks" Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - Whats the next step
Jeromie, A quick check of WISPA's billing survey did not turn up your name as a WISPA Member. If that is wrong and you are a Member then I warmly invite you to join the FCC Committee so you can provide your input and ideas regarding spectrum homesteading. If you are not a WISPA Member then I'm sorry but it would be improper to divulge FCC Committee Member discussions or documents to you. Feel free to give me a call or drop me an email offlist to discuss your options further. Best Regards, Jack Unger Chair - WISPA FCC Committee On 9/27/2010 9:20 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: > What do you envision as a fair homesteading rule(s)? How do those > rules deal with squatters, or people who do 'just enough' to keep > others out? I am not completely against 'homesteading' but i am > against 'squatting' and 'marginal acceptableness'. Do you have a > document or such of your ideas on this? > > On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Rick Harnish wrote: >> John, >> >> I personally support your work on Spectrum Homesteading and we hope to >> develop it further. Unfortunately, the FCC committee was split and thus, it >> was the advice of the FCC Chairman that we could not support it at this time >> until the proposal matures further or the education of the FCC Committee >> changes the balance of ayes and nays. I definitely don't think it is a dead >> issue. We need to discuss it more and help it mature, it is definitely >> worthwhile to pursue. >> >> Thanks, >> Rick >> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of John Scrivner >>> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 11:40 AM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - Whats the next step >>> >>> There is no "staking your claim". I pushed for that as part of a >>> spectrum homesteading initiative which WISPA will not support...sadly. >>> We probably had a good shot at it through all the lobbying efforts we >>> did but the FCC Committee had people against the idea that building >>> broadband service should entitle you to an exclusive license for your >>> channel space in your coverage area. Opportunity lost... >>> Scriv >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Forbes Mercy >>> wrote: >>>> OK so in my area there is a three channel space of 26,27 and, 28 >>>> available. I guess my goal is to camp out on 27, knowing this how to >>> I >>>> stake the claim and start working toward deployment? I know it's >>>> oversimplified but that's where I have to start. >>>> >>>> Forbes >>>> >>>> On 9/25/2010 8:37 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: >>>>> According to that page, only 2, 5, and 6 are available for me. >>>>> Assuming their data is correct, TVWS are almost not even worth my >>> time. >>>>> 6 channels are reserved for wireless mics. >>>>> >>>>> - >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 9/25/2010 12:14 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: >>>>>> 8 Channels around here for me... >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.spectrumbridge.com/products- >>> services/whitespaces/showmywhitespace/single-location-search.aspx >>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Jeromie Reeves>> 30chat.net> wrote: >>>>>>> That was where my question was going. 12mhz could let you use a >>> 10mhz >>>>>>> channel. Yes we are used to half duplex because that is what most >>>>>>> people make. I would love full duplex and with all the mimo gear >>> it >>>>>>> just my be possible to do it at a end user acceptable rate. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Most of the area I am interested in have 1 block of 4 channels. >>> One >>>>>>> has 2, and a 3rd has 10! I am very interested in find the exact >>>>>>> contours for that one and what kind of bondin
Re: [WISPA] Whitespaces faq
I agree completely with Rick. WISPA Members deserve special access to TV White Space information. WISPA Members have paid their dues (literally) to enable WISPA to lobby (advocate with the FCC) to help create the best TV White Space rules possible given the huge opposition by the TV broadcasters and the mobile broadband companies. Non-Members who wish access to the best of this information still have an opportunity to join WISPA. We will publish specialized TVWS information on a Members-only Wiki. jack On 9/27/2010 7:18 AM, Rick Harnish wrote: > Charles, > > WISPA has a wiki open to members only. We felt we needed a secure place for > secure content which is privy to members only. It would seem to me that > having a TV Whitespaces FAQ open to the public would make it easy for new > competition to enter the marketplace. Are you sure you want to make it > public? Our members dues have paid for the lobbying costs involved in > making an impact on the TV Whitespaces decision. I doubt if the members who > invest $250 annually for dues would appreciate "giving away" the knowledge > base involved in TV Whitespaces to every Tom, Dick and Harry who decides > they can start a WISP on TV Whitespaces because they have read a FAQ. > > I may be wrong in my assumptions here, but I do hope you consider the > possible ramifications to your business and other WISPs who have invested > much of their own money and hard work to build their businesses to where > they are today. > > The idea is grand, but to me, it makes more sense for all WISPs to join > WISPA and keep some of this information out of the public eye. It seems > like a very small investment to make for the "insurance" of knowing that our > hard work isn't subsidizing competition. > > Respectfully, > > Rick Harnish > Executive Director > WISPA > 260-307-4000 cell > 866-317-2851 WISPA Office > Skype: rick.harnish. > rharn...@wispa.org > > >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Charles n wyble >> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 10:01 AM >> To: wireless@wispa.org >> Subject: [WISPA] Whitespaces faq >> >> Does wispa have a wiki open to the public? If not I would be happy to >> host one. >> >> I want to write a whitespaces faq and then we can avoid these threads >> over and over. :) >> >> Who wants to work on a faq with me? >> -- >> from the desk of Charles wyble >> ceo& president known element enterprises >> xmpp/sip/smtp: char...@knownelement.com >> legacy pstn: 818 280 7059 >> >> >> --- >> - >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> --- >> - >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > ---- > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Next Wireless 101 Training - San Jose - September 23 <http://www.moonblinkwifi.com/pd-wireless-101-training-on-september-23---24.cfm> Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Today is a Momentous Day for our Industry - Sept. 23rd, 2010
ish Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Next Wireless 101 Training - San Jose - September 23 Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] nanostation and canopy towers within 2 miles of each other
Yes; he's smoking something strange or someone is feeding him a line of BS. On 9/22/2010 9:57 AM, Marco Coelho wrote: > I've got a competitor getting ready to light a nanostation based tower > within 2 miles of one of my Canopy 2.4 towers. What kind of > interference should I expect? > > Listening to this guy, their radios are magic and can shoot through > trees and over hills. Totally overcoming line of site issues. Is he > smoking something strange? > > Marco > > -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Next Wireless 101 Training - San Jose - September 23 <http://www.moonblinkwifi.com/pd-wireless-101-training-on-september-23---24.cfm> Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FIbertower et al Ex Parte met with Commissioner Bakers legal advisor
FiberTower (and the mobile broadband industry) has been and still is fighting hard to LICENSE 36-MHz wide chunks of TV White Space. WISPA has been and is continuing to fight back hard against the FiberTower Group proposal. If FiberTower is successful, will be able to blow big holes through the TVWS spectrum that would have been available for WISPs to use. This is a "fight to the death" for TVWS. We are continuing waging to wage this fight as we speak and we will continue fighting right up to (and if need be, beyond) the 9/23 FCC Open Meeting. We need your help. It is very important for WISPs to e-file a letter with the FCC TODAY (absolutely no later than 5 PM on Thursday which is the deadline) supporting WISPA's position, especially to OPPOSE the FiberTower Groups licensed TVWS point-to-point proposal. We emailed a template letter for WISPs to use last week and I'm re-attaching it to this email. Please help WISPA help you. Jack Unger Chair - WISPA FCC Committee 818-227-4220 On 9/14/2010 9:24 AM, Leon D. Zetekoff wrote: http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/comment/view?id=6016054561 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Next Wireless 101 Training - San Jose - September 23 <http://www.moonblinkwifi.com/pd-wireless-101-training-on-september-23---24.cfm> Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com 00017154_b.DOC Description: MS-Word document WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] [IMPORTANCE LEVEL: HIGH] TV Whitespaces Support Letter Template
Correction (Wednesday is not the 16th - oops).
Your comments must be filed before 5 PM ET on Thursday, Sept. 16.
Please file soon.
Thank-you,
jack
On 9/11/2010 11:00 AM, Jack Unger wrote:
Comments must be on file by the end of the day Wednesday, Sept.
16.
On 9/11/2010 9:22 AM, Victoria Proffer wrote:
This
is great, thanks WISPA!
What
is the due date on this?
Victoria
Proffer - President/CEO
www.ShowMeBroadband.com
www.StLouisBroadband.com
314-974-5600
From: members-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org]
On Behalf Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 9:55 AM
To: memb...@wispa.org;
'WISPA General List'; motor...@afmug.com
Subject: [WISPA Members] [IMPORTANCE LEVEL:
HIGH] TV Whitespaces Support Letter Template
Importance: High
All WISPs,
This week, WISPA filed comments on the TV
Whitespaces once again. The FCC is set to make decisions on
this crucial topic very soon. It is imperative for all
operators to take a few minutes and file individual comments
to the FCC about Unlicensed use of the TV Whitespaces
spectrum this week. Please don’t procrastinate as the
timeline is fairly short.
I have attached a template support letter
that Jack Unger has written to make your support and comment
filing easier. Jack, Steve Coran and the FCC committee has
worked hard for several years and especially in our recent
filing. We need to support their hard work efforts and
produce a mass support campaign to give the WISPA filing
even more credibility. WISPs need more spectrum and we need
spectrum that will penetrate foliage and other obstacles.
This is our opportunity and essentially our obligation to
stand up for our needs before this crucial decision is
made. The WISPA filing can be read at http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7020911589.
Please customize the
attached template letter with your company information
and if you want to add additional “local” flavor, it is
accepted. The FCC staff will read each letter and
register the support for the WISPA filing to assist them
in making this tough decision. We have received
excellent comments back from the FCC, other trade
associations and manufacturers about this filing and now
our membership and industry participants need to stand
up and be counted as well.
Once you have customized
the letter, please make a .pdf copy or a .doc file and
upload it at the following website. http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/upload/display?z=rhroc.
If
you choose not to use the WISPA template letter but want to
write your own comments, you can either follow the previous
procedure or use the Express filing method at http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/upload/display?z=nc5cd.
The
proceeding number is 04-186.
I cannot stress how important this is for
each WISP company to do. I hope to search the filings
Monday morning and find 1000 or more new comments supporting
the WISPA filing. Take a the time this weekend and “git r
dun” before your busy work schedule begins again Monday
morning.
Respectfully,
Rick Harnish
Executive Director
WISPA
260-307-4000 cell
866-317-2851 WISPA Office
Skype: rick.harnish.
rharn...@wispa.org
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