Re: [WISPA] info on securing a 3.65 license

[JohnnyO]

Mark..3373687188

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Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 12:51 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] info on securing a 3.65 license

Actually, getthing the license is real easy.   Finding your way through the 
FCC's web mess, that's a different story.

however, when you go to register your location, that's when it gets harder. 
They use terminology and expect stuff we've never even heard of.






- Original Message - 
From: "Rogelio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:21 AM
Subject: [WISPA] info on securing a 3.65 license


> Charles et al,
>
> Below is a 14 MB file detailing some of the steps needed in order to
> secure a 3.65 GHz license.
>
> http://www.alvarion.com/upload/images/stepbystep_wp.pdf
>
> (Others may already know this, but this was new for me)


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Re: [WISPA] Calling JohnnyO...

[JohnnyO]

I remember at that party throwing all of the deck furniture at you as well 
:) Those chairs musta weighed close to 75lbs each ! Lucky your fast and I 
couldn't catch you with the van in the yard !

JohnnyO

- Original Message - 
From: "Kurt Fankhauser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Calling JohnnyO...


>I remember the party where you took off drunk in the work van w/ U-haul
> still attached going for laps around the house running over everything in
> the back yard. Man I never laughed so hard in my life. I loved every 
> minute
> of that vacation you paid my way for me to come down to from Ohio JhonnyO,
> and I got a good tan in March. Only thing usefull I learned down there was
> the use of self adhesive Velcro to hold routerboards to enclosures.
>
> Tell you what JohnnyO if you are still in the WISP business I would be
> willing to come back down for free if you pay my way again.
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of JohnnyO
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 11:09 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Calling JohnnyO...
>
> This is FUNNY - Where is Rick Smith ?
>
> Kurt - do you remember shaking guy wires on a tower while Rick Smith was 
> on
> it ?
>
> Kurt - do you remember asking a 40+yr old woman for sex ?
>
> Kurt - do you remember lying to me and Rick about your age and skipping
> school to come to Dauphin Island ?
>
> Kurt - do you remember dropping a $400.00 panel antenna in the mud ?
>
> Kurt - do you remember... Man this list can go on and on and on 
> But
> I will let Rick Smith continue the fun :)
>
> I have not dropped off the face of the earth. I am having some health
> issues, Sushanna is pregnant again, school just let out so Im spending 
> time
> with the boys, I've had some tower-hand issues.
>
> Cliff - I will do my best to call you tomorrow man.
>
> Sean - I'll call you tomorrow as well.
>
> Joe Miller . piss off LOL .. It was damn good seeing you 
> again.
>
> Bob Moleshter... I still hate damned yankees !
>
> Mark... enjoyed the pics of your sledding trip, thanks for your help on 
> the
> battery bank questions recently.
>
> The rest of ya 
>
> JohnnyO
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Joe Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 9:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Calling JohnnyO...
>
>
>> Kurt,
>>
>> You've been talking to Sam on
>> Dulphin Island haven't you, LOL
>> --- Kurt Fankhauser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> I know him personally and am surprised he didn't do
>>> this sooner. In my
>>> opinion of the man he is far better off on a
>>> shrimpin' boat than on a tower.
>>> I got enough stories from Dulphin Island, AL from
>>> working with "JhonnyO" to
>>> write a book titled "How not to run a WISP..."
>>>
>>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>> WAVELINC
>>> P.O. Box 126
>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>> 419-562-6405
>>> www.wavelinc.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>>> Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 10:01 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Calling JohnnyO...
>>>
>>> My last word from Johnny about 2 weeks ago was that
>>> he had gotten into a
>>> Shrimp boat was about to start a fishing career?
>>>
>>> If you knew him  It wouldn't really seem
>>> strange...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Jim Patient" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 7:56 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Calling JohnnyO...
>>>
>>>
>>> > Try the yahoo tower pro list.  Looks like he is
>>> selling off all his
>>> > tower building gear.
>>> >
>>> > Jim
>>> >
>>> > Cliff LeBoeuf wrote:
>>> >> Oh where... Oh where... Has my Little J

Re: [WISPA] Calling JohnnyO...

[JohnnyO]

Kurt - we enjoyed having you there also..

Rick / his buddy / Tim / got to go on a ride of their lives post Katrina

Ask them about the Onstar cruise 

Dong - Onstar... Im trying to find my boat man 

JohnnyO
- Original Message - 
From: "Kurt Fankhauser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Calling JohnnyO...


>I remember the party where you took off drunk in the work van w/ U-haul
> still attached going for laps around the house running over everything in
> the back yard. Man I never laughed so hard in my life. I loved every 
> minute
> of that vacation you paid my way for me to come down to from Ohio JhonnyO,
> and I got a good tan in March. Only thing usefull I learned down there was
> the use of self adhesive Velcro to hold routerboards to enclosures.
>
> Tell you what JohnnyO if you are still in the WISP business I would be
> willing to come back down for free if you pay my way again.
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of JohnnyO
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 11:09 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Calling JohnnyO...
>
> This is FUNNY - Where is Rick Smith ?
>
> Kurt - do you remember shaking guy wires on a tower while Rick Smith was 
> on
> it ?
>
> Kurt - do you remember asking a 40+yr old woman for sex ?
>
> Kurt - do you remember lying to me and Rick about your age and skipping
> school to come to Dauphin Island ?
>
> Kurt - do you remember dropping a $400.00 panel antenna in the mud ?
>
> Kurt - do you remember... Man this list can go on and on and on 
> But
> I will let Rick Smith continue the fun :)
>
> I have not dropped off the face of the earth. I am having some health
> issues, Sushanna is pregnant again, school just let out so Im spending 
> time
> with the boys, I've had some tower-hand issues.
>
> Cliff - I will do my best to call you tomorrow man.
>
> Sean - I'll call you tomorrow as well.
>
> Joe Miller . piss off LOL .. It was damn good seeing you 
> again.
>
> Bob Moleshter... I still hate damned yankees !
>
> Mark... enjoyed the pics of your sledding trip, thanks for your help on 
> the
> battery bank questions recently.
>
> The rest of ya 
>
> JohnnyO
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Joe Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 9:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Calling JohnnyO...
>
>
>> Kurt,
>>
>> You've been talking to Sam on
>> Dulphin Island haven't you, LOL
>> --- Kurt Fankhauser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> I know him personally and am surprised he didn't do
>>> this sooner. In my
>>> opinion of the man he is far better off on a
>>> shrimpin' boat than on a tower.
>>> I got enough stories from Dulphin Island, AL from
>>> working with "JhonnyO" to
>>> write a book titled "How not to run a WISP..."
>>>
>>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>> WAVELINC
>>> P.O. Box 126
>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>> 419-562-6405
>>> www.wavelinc.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>>> Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 10:01 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Calling JohnnyO...
>>>
>>> My last word from Johnny about 2 weeks ago was that
>>> he had gotten into a
>>> Shrimp boat was about to start a fishing career?
>>>
>>> If you knew him  It wouldn't really seem
>>> strange...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Jim Patient" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 7:56 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Calling JohnnyO...
>>>
>>>
>>> > Try the yahoo tower pro list.  Looks like he is
>>> selling off all his
>>> > tower building gear.
>>> >
>>>

Re: [WISPA] Calling JohnnyO...

[JohnnyO]

False information - no towers were taken down - the entire network was 
destroyed but was also restored with the help of Rick Smith / Tim the 
wildman - Joe Miller.

CampWTF was a blast !

JohnnyO

ps - Kurt - sorry for not inviting you , honestly it must have slipped me 
and Rick's mind NOT !

How many of your APs have you had shot out recently ?
- Original Message - 
From: "Kurt Fankhauser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Calling JohnnyO...


> Last I heard from that island was that Katrina took everything down, even
> the cell tower.
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Joe Miller
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 10:48 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Calling JohnnyO...
>
> Kurt,
>
> You've been talking to Sam on
> Dulphin Island haven't you, LOL
> --- Kurt Fankhauser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> I know him personally and am surprised he didn't do
>> this sooner. In my
>> opinion of the man he is far better off on a
>> shrimpin' boat than on a tower.
>> I got enough stories from Dulphin Island, AL from
>> working with "JhonnyO" to
>> write a book titled "How not to run a WISP..."
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> WAVELINC
>> P.O. Box 126
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> 419-562-6405
>> www.wavelinc.com
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 10:01 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Calling JohnnyO...
>>
>> My last word from Johnny about 2 weeks ago was that
>> he had gotten into a
>> Shrimp boat was about to start a fishing career?
>>
>> If you knew him  It wouldn't really seem
>> strange...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> 
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Jim Patient" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 7:56 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Calling JohnnyO...
>>
>>
>> > Try the yahoo tower pro list.  Looks like he is
>> selling off all his
>> > tower building gear.
>> >
>> > Jim
>> >
>> > Cliff LeBoeuf wrote:
>> >> Oh where... Oh where... Has my Little JohnnyO
>> gone
>> >> Oh where... Oh where... Can he be
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Calling JohnnyO...

[JohnnyO]

This is FUNNY - Where is Rick Smith ?

Kurt - do you remember shaking guy wires on a tower while Rick Smith was on 
it ?

Kurt - do you remember asking a 40+yr old woman for sex ?

Kurt - do you remember lying to me and Rick about your age and skipping 
school to come to Dauphin Island ?

Kurt - do you remember dropping a $400.00 panel antenna in the mud ?

Kurt - do you remember... Man this list can go on and on and on But 
I will let Rick Smith continue the fun :)

I have not dropped off the face of the earth. I am having some health 
issues, Sushanna is pregnant again, school just let out so Im spending time 
with the boys, I've had some tower-hand issues.

Cliff - I will do my best to call you tomorrow man.

Sean - I'll call you tomorrow as well.

Joe Miller . piss off LOL .. It was damn good seeing you again.

Bob Moleshter... I still hate damned yankees !

Mark... enjoyed the pics of your sledding trip, thanks for your help on the 
battery bank questions recently.

The rest of ya ....

JohnnyO
- Original Message - 
From: "Joe Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Calling JohnnyO...


> Kurt,
>
> You've been talking to Sam on
> Dulphin Island haven't you, LOL
> --- Kurt Fankhauser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> I know him personally and am surprised he didn't do
>> this sooner. In my
>> opinion of the man he is far better off on a
>> shrimpin' boat than on a tower.
>> I got enough stories from Dulphin Island, AL from
>> working with "JhonnyO" to
>> write a book titled "How not to run a WISP..."
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> WAVELINC
>> P.O. Box 126
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> 419-562-6405
>> www.wavelinc.com
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 10:01 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Calling JohnnyO...
>>
>> My last word from Johnny about 2 weeks ago was that
>> he had gotten into a
>> Shrimp boat was about to start a fishing career?
>>
>> If you knew him  It wouldn't really seem
>> strange...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> 
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Jim Patient" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 7:56 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Calling JohnnyO...
>>
>>
>> > Try the yahoo tower pro list.  Looks like he is
>> selling off all his
>> > tower building gear.
>> >
>> > Jim
>> >
>> > Cliff LeBoeuf wrote:
>> >> Oh where... Oh where... Has my Little JohnnyO
>> gone
>> >> Oh where... Oh where... Can he be
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Off Grid System Design Comments.

[JohnnyO]

Wind is a viable source of power Cam don't be swayed from your system 
deployment. Just deploy both at the same site and you'll get the best of 
both worlds.

JohnnyO

- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off Grid System Design Comments.


> This sounds like my first reaction when my boss told me we were going wind
> powerd (crazy).
>
> So, guessing from the orignal poster of the thread, many advise to go 
> SOLAR!!
>
> Which I prefer anyhow.
>
> -Cameron
>
>
>> Travis - the startup speed of these Air-X generators is around 10mph...
>> that doesn't mean it starts generating power at 10mph - it just means it
>> starts turning.
>>
>> They did just release some consumer 1000watt wind generators that have a
>> start-up speed around 7mph - they are much more efficient and their power
>> curve is a LOT higher at lower RPMs.
>>
>> JohnnyO
>>   - Original Message -
>>   From: Travis Johnson
>>   To: WISPA General List
>>   Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 8:21 PM
>>   Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off Grid System Design Comments.
>>
>>
>>   I agree. Wind turbines really only produce about 50% of what they claim
>> (even at full wind speed). You will need 4 or 6 of that size wind
>> turbine to keep things running.
>>
>>   We had a site that was on a 9500ft mountaintop that showed a 15mph wind
>> average (over the entire year). We put up two 400 watt turbines and had
>> 10 or 12 batteries (100ah). We only  had 5 radios total (trango) and a
>> small 5 port 12v switch. The site would stay up for about 3-4 days
>> before we had to go start the generator. I think our total draw was
>> under 80 watts for everything.
>>
>>   You need to take a look at the Bergey wind turbines. They are 
>> expensive,
>> but they work really well. However, you can NOT mount them on the top of
>> a Rohn type tower... their mounting pipe has to be exact, and if it's
>> off by even 1/8", the whole thing will eventually vibrate itself apart.
>> Spend the extra $500 and buy their recommended mounting tower system.
>>
>>   Travis
>>   Microserv
>>
>>   JohnnyO wrote:
>> Cameron - unless you have CONSTANT wind, you are going to be seriously
>> underpowered.
>>
>> JohnnyO
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 6:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off Grid System Design Comments.
>>
>>
>>   We are installing a new tower very soon (in the next couple weeks) that
>> will be run completely off Wind power with a 400-watt wind turbine. Of
>> course we will have 6 105 amp hour batteries. Our draw at one of our
>> popular sites is under 375 watts. This using a PC-Based MikroTik/ HP
>> Procurve 2524, 6 Alvarion B NET Backhauls, 2 Alvarion VL-AU's, 1 Trango
>> 900 Sector.
>>
>> We switched some hardware in the MikroTik routers mostly the newer low
>> powered AMD cpu's and that made a hugh difference and going from the HP
>> procurve 2424m to a 2524 which cut the wattage from 90 watts to about 25
>> watts. The Alvarion Units use about 200 watts total and the trango is 
>> like
>> 13 watts or so, (been a while since I checked them). The mikrotik router
>> is uing 60-75 watts. All in all, not to shabby as far as power
>> consumption.
>>
>> -Cameron
>>
>> I wanted to get input from the WISPA list about a complete design for
>> a
>> off
>> grid base station design base on a dual and quad radio system. We have
>> been
>> looking into this and have come up with a design using both wind and
>> solar
>> power that will keep a unit up and running 24/7/365. The idea is to have
>> a
>> complete package design so the base stations can be installed anywhere,
>> but
>> in order to keep the costs low it would be base on a max 48Watt design.
>>
>> Questions:
>> 1. Is this something WISP would want in the USA, and would find useful?
>> 2. Would you like this in a single package or parts (where a package
>> would
>> have a 1 year warrantee and parts would not)
>> 3. What are you finding the power needs are at a typical WPOP?
>> 4. Other Comments?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Off Grid System Design Comments.

[JohnnyO]

Travis - the startup speed of these Air-X generators is around 10mph... that 
doesn't mean it starts generating power at 10mph - it just means it starts 
turning.

They did just release some consumer 1000watt wind generators that have a 
start-up speed around 7mph - they are much more efficient and their power curve 
is a LOT higher at lower RPMs.

JohnnyO
  - Original Message - 
  From: Travis Johnson 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 8:21 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off Grid System Design Comments.


  I agree. Wind turbines really only produce about 50% of what they claim (even 
at full wind speed). You will need 4 or 6 of that size wind turbine to keep 
things running.

  We had a site that was on a 9500ft mountaintop that showed a 15mph wind 
average (over the entire year). We put up two 400 watt turbines and had 10 or 
12 batteries (100ah). We only  had 5 radios total (trango) and a small 5 port 
12v switch. The site would stay up for about 3-4 days before we had to go start 
the generator. I think our total draw was under 80 watts for everything.

  You need to take a look at the Bergey wind turbines. They are expensive, but 
they work really well. However, you can NOT mount them on the top of a Rohn 
type tower... their mounting pipe has to be exact, and if it's off by even 
1/8", the whole thing will eventually vibrate itself apart. Spend the extra 
$500 and buy their recommended mounting tower system.

  Travis
  Microserv

  JohnnyO wrote: 
Cameron - unless you have CONSTANT wind, you are going to be seriously 
underpowered.

JohnnyO

- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off Grid System Design Comments.


  We are installing a new tower very soon (in the next couple weeks) that
will be run completely off Wind power with a 400-watt wind turbine. Of
course we will have 6 105 amp hour batteries. Our draw at one of our
popular sites is under 375 watts. This using a PC-Based MikroTik/ HP
Procurve 2524, 6 Alvarion B NET Backhauls, 2 Alvarion VL-AU's, 1 Trango
900 Sector.

We switched some hardware in the MikroTik routers mostly the newer low
powered AMD cpu's and that made a hugh difference and going from the HP
procurve 2424m to a 2524 which cut the wattage from 90 watts to about 25
watts. The Alvarion Units use about 200 watts total and the trango is like
13 watts or so, (been a while since I checked them). The mikrotik router
is uing 60-75 watts. All in all, not to shabby as far as power
consumption.

-Cameron

I wanted to get input from the WISPA list about a complete design for a
off
grid base station design base on a dual and quad radio system. We have
been
looking into this and have come up with a design using both wind and 
solar
power that will keep a unit up and running 24/7/365. The idea is to have 
a
complete package design so the base stations can be installed anywhere,
but
in order to keep the costs low it would be base on a max 48Watt design.

Questions:
1. Is this something WISP would want in the USA, and would find useful?
2. Would you like this in a single package or parts (where a package 
would
have a 1 year warrantee and parts would not)
3. What are you finding the power needs are at a typical WPOP?
4. Other Comments?






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Re: [WISPA] Off Grid System Design Comments.

[JohnnyO]

Even at 100watts - you are seriously under-powered. Figure up how much power 
you need... and multiply that by a factor of 3.5 and you'll be safe and 
it'll be enjoyable to have a site off-grid.. Do it like you're planning 
and it's going to become a nitemare and the fuel you burn will have paid for 
the extra gear :)

JohnnyO
- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off Grid System Design Comments.


> We may through a solar panel or two at site if we have wind troubles, but
> this site will be using sub 100 watts.
>
> -Cameron
>
>> double or triple your batteries...
>>
>> JohnnyO
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 8:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off Grid System Design Comments.
>>
>>
>>> This will be our first wind site. We will get some pretty wind at the
>>> location. However we have been using Solar on sites since 2000 on a
>>> couple
>>> Island Off shore up here in Maine.
>>>
>>> -Cameron
>>>
>>>> I have had nothing but heartbreak with wind.  Solar always works well.
>>>> Wind, no joy for me...
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 5:22 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off Grid System Design Comments.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> We are installing a new tower very soon (in the next couple weeks)
>>>>> that
>>>>> will be run completely off Wind power with a 400-watt wind turbine. Of
>>>>> course we will have 6 105 amp hour batteries. Our draw at one of our
>>>>> popular sites is under 375 watts. This using a PC-Based MikroTik/ HP
>>>>> Procurve 2524, 6 Alvarion B NET Backhauls, 2 Alvarion VL-AU's, 1
>>>>> Trango
>>>>> 900 Sector.
>>>>>
>>>>> We switched some hardware in the MikroTik routers mostly the newer low
>>>>> powered AMD cpu's and that made a hugh difference and going from the
>>>>> HP
>>>>> procurve 2424m to a 2524 which cut the wattage from 90 watts to about
>>>>> 25
>>>>> watts. The Alvarion Units use about 200 watts total and the trango is
>>>>> like
>>>>> 13 watts or so, (been a while since I checked them). The mikrotik
>>>>> router
>>>>> is uing 60-75 watts. All in all, not to shabby as far as power
>>>>> consumption.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Cameron
>>>>>
>>>>>> I wanted to get input from the WISPA list about a complete design for
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> off
>>>>>> grid base station design base on a dual and quad radio system. We
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> been
>>>>>> looking into this and have come up with a design using both wind and
>>>>>> solar
>>>>>> power that will keep a unit up and running 24/7/365. The idea is to
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> complete package design so the base stations can be installed
>>>>>> anywhere,
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> in order to keep the costs low it would be base on a max 48Watt
>>>>>> design.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Questions:
>>>>>> 1. Is this something WISP would want in the USA, and would find
>>>>>> useful?
>>>>>> 2. Would you like this in a single package or parts (where a package
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> have a 1 year warrantee and parts would not)
>>>>>> 3. What are you finding the power needs are at a typical WPOP?
>>>>>> 4. Other Comments?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Off Grid System Design Comments.

[JohnnyO]

If you're going to have 6 105AH batteries in parallell... you'll have 630AH 
available amps at 12V

If your wind generator is putting out it's maximum... Sounds like an Air 
X. You'll see a continous fluctuation from 225watts - 325watts maxium 
and it'll be all over the place ALL of the time.

Let's say your wind generator provides 300watts x 24 hours @ 12volts... 
You'll have from your wind generator ( 600AH) available for power.

Let's say your setup will use 350 watts x 24 hours @ 12 volts - Your 
equipment will need (700AH) in a 24 hour period.

This is only to say that everything is 100% efficient which never is, but 
you're automatically going to be short 100AH right off the bat... Not 
including days or hours your wind generator will be working at 20% capacity 
or it's internal safety shutting it down b/c of excessive winds.

You will need 1 wind generator... mounted about 20ft above the tree line 
 you will need to atleast triple your batteries and add either (1) more 
wind generator or (2) solar panels... My advice is to go with (2) solar 
panels and a very efficient charge controller.

Set it up for battery banks of 24 volts and power your equipment directly 
from the battery banks, don't use an inverter b/c you lose 15% right off the 
bat in the conversion.

Hope this helps.

JohnnyO



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To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off Grid System Design Comments.


> This will be our first wind site. We will get some pretty wind at the
> location. However we have been using Solar on sites since 2000 on a couple
> Island Off shore up here in Maine.
>
> -Cameron
>
>> I have had nothing but heartbreak with wind.  Solar always works well.
>> Wind, no joy for me...
>> - Original Message -
>> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 5:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off Grid System Design Comments.
>>
>>
>>> We are installing a new tower very soon (in the next couple weeks) that
>>> will be run completely off Wind power with a 400-watt wind turbine. Of
>>> course we will have 6 105 amp hour batteries. Our draw at one of our
>>> popular sites is under 375 watts. This using a PC-Based MikroTik/ HP
>>> Procurve 2524, 6 Alvarion B NET Backhauls, 2 Alvarion VL-AU's, 1 Trango
>>> 900 Sector.
>>>
>>> We switched some hardware in the MikroTik routers mostly the newer low
>>> powered AMD cpu's and that made a hugh difference and going from the HP
>>> procurve 2424m to a 2524 which cut the wattage from 90 watts to about 25
>>> watts. The Alvarion Units use about 200 watts total and the trango is
>>> like
>>> 13 watts or so, (been a while since I checked them). The mikrotik router
>>> is uing 60-75 watts. All in all, not to shabby as far as power
>>> consumption.
>>>
>>> -Cameron
>>>
>>>> I wanted to get input from the WISPA list about a complete design for a
>>>> off
>>>> grid base station design base on a dual and quad radio system. We have
>>>> been
>>>> looking into this and have come up with a design using both wind and
>>>> solar
>>>> power that will keep a unit up and running 24/7/365. The idea is to
>>>> have
>>>> a
>>>> complete package design so the base stations can be installed anywhere,
>>>> but
>>>> in order to keep the costs low it would be base on a max 48Watt design.
>>>>
>>>> Questions:
>>>> 1. Is this something WISP would want in the USA, and would find useful?
>>>> 2. Would you like this in a single package or parts (where a package
>>>> would
>>>> have a 1 year warrantee and parts would not)
>>>> 3. What are you finding the power needs are at a typical WPOP?
>>>> 4. Other Comments?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Off Grid System Design Comments.

[JohnnyO]

double or triple your batteries...

JohnnyO

- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off Grid System Design Comments.


> This will be our first wind site. We will get some pretty wind at the
> location. However we have been using Solar on sites since 2000 on a couple
> Island Off shore up here in Maine.
>
> -Cameron
>
>> I have had nothing but heartbreak with wind.  Solar always works well.
>> Wind, no joy for me...
>> - Original Message -
>> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 5:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off Grid System Design Comments.
>>
>>
>>> We are installing a new tower very soon (in the next couple weeks) that
>>> will be run completely off Wind power with a 400-watt wind turbine. Of
>>> course we will have 6 105 amp hour batteries. Our draw at one of our
>>> popular sites is under 375 watts. This using a PC-Based MikroTik/ HP
>>> Procurve 2524, 6 Alvarion B NET Backhauls, 2 Alvarion VL-AU's, 1 Trango
>>> 900 Sector.
>>>
>>> We switched some hardware in the MikroTik routers mostly the newer low
>>> powered AMD cpu's and that made a hugh difference and going from the HP
>>> procurve 2424m to a 2524 which cut the wattage from 90 watts to about 25
>>> watts. The Alvarion Units use about 200 watts total and the trango is
>>> like
>>> 13 watts or so, (been a while since I checked them). The mikrotik router
>>> is uing 60-75 watts. All in all, not to shabby as far as power
>>> consumption.
>>>
>>> -Cameron
>>>
>>>> I wanted to get input from the WISPA list about a complete design for a
>>>> off
>>>> grid base station design base on a dual and quad radio system. We have
>>>> been
>>>> looking into this and have come up with a design using both wind and
>>>> solar
>>>> power that will keep a unit up and running 24/7/365. The idea is to
>>>> have
>>>> a
>>>> complete package design so the base stations can be installed anywhere,
>>>> but
>>>> in order to keep the costs low it would be base on a max 48Watt design.
>>>>
>>>> Questions:
>>>> 1. Is this something WISP would want in the USA, and would find useful?
>>>> 2. Would you like this in a single package or parts (where a package
>>>> would
>>>> have a 1 year warrantee and parts would not)
>>>> 3. What are you finding the power needs are at a typical WPOP?
>>>> 4. Other Comments?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Off Grid System Design Comments.

[JohnnyO]

Cameron - unless you have CONSTANT wind, you are going to be seriously 
underpowered.

JohnnyO

- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off Grid System Design Comments.


> We are installing a new tower very soon (in the next couple weeks) that
> will be run completely off Wind power with a 400-watt wind turbine. Of
> course we will have 6 105 amp hour batteries. Our draw at one of our
> popular sites is under 375 watts. This using a PC-Based MikroTik/ HP
> Procurve 2524, 6 Alvarion B NET Backhauls, 2 Alvarion VL-AU's, 1 Trango
> 900 Sector.
>
> We switched some hardware in the MikroTik routers mostly the newer low
> powered AMD cpu's and that made a hugh difference and going from the HP
> procurve 2424m to a 2524 which cut the wattage from 90 watts to about 25
> watts. The Alvarion Units use about 200 watts total and the trango is like
> 13 watts or so, (been a while since I checked them). The mikrotik router
> is uing 60-75 watts. All in all, not to shabby as far as power
> consumption.
>
> -Cameron
>
>> I wanted to get input from the WISPA list about a complete design for a
>> off
>> grid base station design base on a dual and quad radio system. We have
>> been
>> looking into this and have come up with a design using both wind and 
>> solar
>> power that will keep a unit up and running 24/7/365. The idea is to have 
>> a
>> complete package design so the base stations can be installed anywhere,
>> but
>> in order to keep the costs low it would be base on a max 48Watt design.
>>
>> Questions:
>> 1. Is this something WISP would want in the USA, and would find useful?
>> 2. Would you like this in a single package or parts (where a package 
>> would
>> have a 1 year warrantee and parts would not)
>> 3. What are you finding the power needs are at a typical WPOP?
>> 4. Other Comments?
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] FW: Red Work Binder: Emergency use only!

[JohnnyO]

Cliff - I would have to say that this is the most useful post you've ever 
made to this list since it's conception !

I'm "proud" of you too !

JohnnyO


- Original Message - 
From: "Cliff LeBoeuf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 4:27 PM
Subject: [WISPA] FW: Red Work Binder: Emergency use only!


>
> I have compiled a Master Reference binder.  Inside this binder you will 
> find
> "solutions" to everyday ISPs problems.   If you are having problems with 
> the
> FCC, difficulty dealing with customers, having billing problems, service
> problems, or any kind of problem, please come and get the red binder and 
> it
> will help you through your issue.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Use the red binder for all issues...it is guaranteed to make you 
>>> stress-free
>>> and relaxed.
>>>
>>>
>
>





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Re: [WISPA] tower install

[JohnnyO]

Very nice job Kurt... Im proud

JohnnyO
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From: "Kurt Fankhauser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 12:22 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower install


> Heres a link to some pictures I took when we picked up the tower and 
> poured
> the concrete.
>
> http://www.wavelinc.com/tower.html
>
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of JohnnyO
> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 12:36 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower install
>
> Kurt - you got off WAY CHEAP.. The company asking is buying new steel
> and you shouldn't have someone that isn't experienced with putting up
> 200ft towers on the job-site
>
> Typical pricing for a tower installation of ANY height is $60-$90 per 
> foot.
> That does not include foundation costs That includes the tower crew
> showing up and installing the tower.
>
> If anyone out there is able to get the brother-in-law deals you got... 
> More
> power to them.
>
> JohnnyO
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Kurt Fankhauser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 11:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower install
>
>
>> Is it me or does this price sound way to high? We did a 130' self
>> supporter
>> (Rohn SSV) and our pricing was as follows:
>>
>> $2500 used tower
>> $1300 contractor (backhoe and dug foundation)
>> $500 rebar
>> $1000 concreate
>> $300 base bolt kit
>> 6 months free internet to crane owner
>>
>> We own our own skid loader and had a flatbed semi available.
>>
>> Total cost was around $6000 including the tower but I did some of the 
>> work
>> myself.
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> WAVELINC
>> P.O. Box 126
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> 419-562-6405
>> www.wavelinc.com
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2
>> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 9:31 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower install
>>
>> I have paid a similar amount for a 120 foot monopole.
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Mike Goicoechea" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 7:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower install
>>
>>
>>> We already purchased the tower.
>>>
>>> Mike Goicoechea
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>>> Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 7:57 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower install
>>>
>>> sounds pretty reasonable. Did you already buy the tower yourself or are
>>> they providing everything?
>>>
>>> -Cameron
>>>
>>>> We are installing a tower (super titian sc 100 200 foot) in east Texas.
>>>> We
>>>> have got a bunch of quotes from different companies. We have received
>>>> between $12,000-$24,000 for complete installation. Is that a normal
>>>> amount?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mike Goicoechea
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [WISPA] tower install

[JohnnyO]

Mike - Give me a call - I am wide awake.

JohnnyO
800-774-0320
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Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 12:02 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower install


> HAHAHA thanks for the offer Bob. The crew I am leaning toward is a very
> respected group as I do my research. They will be using a gin pole and
> winch. That is also good to know for the $60-90 per foot. I knew it was
> around a buck a foot for climbers but didn’t know about construction. We 
> had
> done a ton of small 25g towers but we are hiring this out for liability 
> and
> solid professionalism. We thought we would have to pay for it but didn’t
> think there would be a 10k difference in professionals.
>
>
>
> Mike Goicoechea
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 9:54 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower install
>
> Mike,
>
> Really depends on your foundation and crane availability where you
> live.  If there are no cranes available you will pay more for a crew
> with a winch and gin pole. 200' is a safe price for $12-15K.  Foundation
> depends on type of soil, rock, etc.  Also accessibility to the area
> being developed.
>
> Make sure whoever you get has insurance and provides you and the
> property owner with a certificate naming each of you as additional 
> insureds.
>
> BTW:   If you can't get anyone I'll mobilize a crew to come out and do
> it TOMORROW for the $24,000!   :-)
>
> I think you can do better.
>
> Good Luck
>
> Bob
>
>
>
>
> Mike Goicoechea wrote:
>> We are installing a tower (super titian sc 100 200 foot) in east Texas. 
>> We
>> have got a bunch of quotes from different companies. We have received
>> between $12,000-$24,000 for complete installation. Is that a normal
> amount?
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike Goicoechea
>>
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Re: [WISPA] tower install

[JohnnyO]

Kurt - you got off WAY CHEAP.. The company asking is buying new steel 
and you shouldn't have someone that isn't experienced with putting up 
200ft towers on the job-site

Typical pricing for a tower installation of ANY height is $60-$90 per foot. 
That does not include foundation costs That includes the tower crew 
showing up and installing the tower.

If anyone out there is able to get the brother-in-law deals you got... More 
power to them.

JohnnyO

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Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 11:14 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower install


> Is it me or does this price sound way to high? We did a 130' self 
> supporter
> (Rohn SSV) and our pricing was as follows:
>
> $2500 used tower
> $1300 contractor (backhoe and dug foundation)
> $500 rebar
> $1000 concreate
> $300 base bolt kit
> 6 months free internet to crane owner
>
> We own our own skid loader and had a flatbed semi available.
>
> Total cost was around $6000 including the tower but I did some of the work
> myself.
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
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> -Original Message-
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>
> I have paid a similar amount for a 120 foot monopole.
> - Original Message - 
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> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 7:28 PM
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>> We already purchased the tower.
>>
>> Mike Goicoechea
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>> sounds pretty reasonable. Did you already buy the tower yourself or are
>> they providing everything?
>>
>> -Cameron
>>
>>> We are installing a tower (super titian sc 100 200 foot) in east Texas.
>>> We
>>> have got a bunch of quotes from different companies. We have received
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Re: [WISPA] tower install

[JohnnyO]

Mike - what city are you installing this in ? Let me know - we're in the 
area, I'll check on crane pricing and see what we could do for you.

As Bob stated, make sure whoever it is has the proper insurance. Any 
mistakes or carelessness could cost you bigtime.

We're fully equipped.

Regards,

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Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 8:28 PM
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> We already purchased the tower.
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> sounds pretty reasonable. Did you already buy the tower yourself or are
> they providing everything?
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> -Cameron
>
>> We are installing a tower (super titian sc 100 200 foot) in east Texas. 
>> We
>> have got a bunch of quotes from different companies. We have received
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Cheating spouse software

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Cliff - you don't need to worry about cheating spouse software... I told you 
years ago it was ME who Marsha was seeing on the side..

No need for a GPS tracker either, or camera, or any of that stuff. Anytime 
you want to know where we are, just call ! Anytime you want pics, let me 
know - I'll send you some ! Anytime you wanna see what she's sending me on 
the computer, let me know - I'll forward you the emails !

Muahahahahaha

Your buddy,

JohnnyO

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Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cheating spouse software


> Oh! ... I learn SO much from this organization... :)
>
>
> On 2/28/08 11:46 AM, "Chuck McCown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Implantable GPS locator/ heart-rate monitor.
>> - Original Message -
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>> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 10:43 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cheating spouse software
>>
>>
>>> Alex wrote:
>>>> Go hire a gumshoe.
>>>
>>> Hide a webcam in the ceiling (or under the bed or...) One of the new
>>> ones with built-in Web interface and wi-fi. Have it connect to the home
>>> network, forward a couple ports, spy on the spouse from the office.
>>>
>>> Or set up a Mikrotik to intercept/log traffic. Might as well use their
>>> CALEA support for something.
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS

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Mac - give me a call .

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From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 12:21 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS


> That is cool Travis - Thanks for that info.
>
>  I have been "tip Toeing" around V3.x since it came out and have avoided
> downloading it to even try it out. This last batch of RB532's came in with
> it preloaded on them is the only reason I have even seen it thus far. I
> guess I am a strange puppy and I fit in the category of "don't mess with
> nothing or change nothing" if the old way works well:-)   - - good thing 
> the
> rest of the world is not that way or we would all still be in T Models, 
> but
> then they didn't really work all that well although they beat the snot out
> of walking!
>
>  Good to hear V3.2 is stable and I will definitely upgrade all my new RB's
> to that. Let me know if you see some boogers - hehehe as I tip toe on down
> through the Tulip patch here.
>
>  I hate to say it, but I used to think the rest of the world (all of it)
> was really strange, but my wife has just about convinced me that it is me
> who is strange and the rest of the world is OK! WOW - that's a strange
> thought in itself!! :-)
>
> (Med and bed time)
>
> Thanks,
> Mac
>
>
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
>> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 12:03 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
>>
>> Mac,
>>
>> I have been running in production links and GigE routers since 3.0rc13.
>> Our main edge router is MT v3.1 right now and is running perfectly. I
>> have upgraded about 10 of our RB532's with v3.2 and it has been perfect
>> so far. Some of the new statistics are really cool (like the Potential
>> Throughput display for each connected radio, running "pseudobridge"
>> instead of WDS, etc.)
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>> Mac Dearman wrote:
>> > Travis,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Do you know anyone that has the new MT v3.x in a production
>> environment?
>> > I have two RB532's that were just configured using Nstream and I am
>> looking
>> > at putting them in a work situation. I too am ordering some 333 and
>> RB600's
>> > if I can find some tonight. The RB532's that are ready to roll are
>> actually
>> > seeing 12.5Mbps FDX with ~62/~63 - -
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Let me know how you fair and I will keep you informed.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Mac
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> On
>> > Behalf Of Travis Johnson
>> > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 10:40 PM
>> > To: WISPA General List
>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > 5.3ghz, 3 miles, 5mhz channel, 7.8Mbps one direction
>> > 5.3ghz, 3 miles, 40mhz channel, 52.3Mbps one direction
>> >
>> > All these tests are with Nstreme on, but no framer policy. I know
>> people
>> > have squeezed more by playing with the framer settings, but we have
>> never
>> > needed to do that.
>> >
>> > I'm sure more CPU would help some... but I have no idea how much. I
>> know
>> > even the RB333 boards (same price as the RB532) have twice the CPU
>> power as
>> > the RB532s... and I have some of those on the way already. ;)
>> >
>> > Travis
>> > Microserv
>> >
>> > Jeromie Reeves wrote:
>> >
>> > What about 5mhz channels? Do you have enough signal to try 40 mhz? I
>> > am about to replace 5 links with MT 5.8.   Does more CPU help on the
>> > sending side, say P4 to RB133/333.
>> >
>> > On 2/9/08, Travis Johnson   <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >  Here is a real world MT test running RB532's (333mhz) with v3.2 OS:
>> >
>> >  5.3ghz, 3 miles, 10mhz channel, 18.3Mbps one direction
>> >  5.8ghz, 9 miles, 20mhz channel, 27.3Mbps one direction
>> >
>> >  A more comparable test would be using the new MT RB600 units (as
>> they are
>> > almost exactly the same price as the WAR4 boards). I will get a
>> couple
>> > ordered and deployed so we can do some comparable testing. :)
>> >
>> >  Travis
>> >  Microserv
>> >
>> >  Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
>> >  OK, here are some real world examples:
>> >
>> > 5.3ghz 40mhz channel, 8.5 miles. WAR4/CM9 attached to 29db
>> PacWireless
>> > Antennas. 50meg one way.
>> > 5.7ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles. WAR2/CM9 attached to 29db PacWireless
>> > Antennas. 45meg one way (CPU maxes out on WAR2s)
>> > 5.7ghz 10mhz channel, 42 miles WAR4/SR5 attached to 34db Radiowaves
>> > Antennas. 18meg one way.
>> > FDD 5.2ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles X4000/R52H attached to 29db
>> > Pacwireless/21db MTI panel.
>> >  5.8ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles X4000/R52H attached to 21db
>> > MTI Panel/29db Pacwireless 30 down, 30 up
>> >
>> > for comparison: Motorola Gemini Lite (30meg bh) on the same link -
>> 3meg
>> > down, 3 up
>> >
>> > We have several RB532 backhauls in the air, and even with all the
>> > optimizatio

Re: [WISPA] Multipe POE For REdline AN80

[JohnnyO]

gino - i've tried calling !

JohnnyO
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Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 10:35 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Multipe POE For REdline AN80


> Hey Guys
>
> Im looking for a 6 port POE Injector / Midspan that works with the
> Redline AN80 radios ... any ideas?
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> Gino A. Villarini
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Re: [WISPA] Service Needed in San Juan

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Parque Montebello community.

JohnnyO

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> Hey johhny, I think we might be there  is this in the Encantada
> community?
>
> Gino A. Villarini
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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of JohnnyO
> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 3:03 AM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service Needed in San Juan
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> Grrrrr - Why didn't I think of Mr. Puerto Rico Wi-Fi himself.
>
> JohnnyO
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Forrest W. Christian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 12:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service Needed in San Juan
>
>
>> That would be most likely [EMAIL PROTECTED] , or he could point you in
>> the right direction.
>>
>> -forrest
>>
>> JohnnyO wrote:
>>> Will need service at this location. Please respond offline with
> quotes.
>>> This is for me personally. I will be renting this home for 180days. I
> can
>>> do my own install ! ! ! ! and prob have the equipment for it also
> 
>>> quote accordingly :)
>>>
>>>
>>> Parque Montebello
>>> street 1 A-19
>>> Trujillo Alto Puerto Rico 00976
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> JohnnyO
>>> 337.368.7188
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Re: [WISPA] ATT Coverage in Puerto Rico ????

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It's not ATT LOL My NDA doesn't allow me to discuss at this point. I am 
hashing out the final details. I will let you know once and if we are in 
market so we can spend some time together.

JohnnyO

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] ATT Coverage in Puerto Rico 


> They are the biggest here ... currently running hsdpa on the data
> network.  If you have a national plan, I think you're covered...
>
> What cell project you'll be working on?
>
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 11:52 PM
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> Subject: [WISPA] ATT Coverage in Puerto Rico 
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> We're about to head to Puerto Rico for a cellular project. Can anyone
> here
> confirm if ATT/Cingular will work there, and if so, any additional
> charges ?
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Re: [WISPA] Service Needed in San Juan

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Gr - Why didn't I think of Mr. Puerto Rico Wi-Fi himself.

JohnnyO

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service Needed in San Juan


> That would be most likely [EMAIL PROTECTED] , or he could point you in
> the right direction.
>
> -forrest
>
> JohnnyO wrote:
>> Will need service at this location. Please respond offline with quotes. 
>> This is for me personally. I will be renting this home for 180days. I can 
>> do my own install ! ! ! ! and prob have the equipment for it also  
>> quote accordingly :)
>>
>>
>> Parque Montebello
>> street 1 A-19
>> Trujillo Alto Puerto Rico 00976
>>
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[WISPA] Service Needed in San Juan

[JohnnyO]

Will need service at this location. Please respond offline with quotes. This is 
for me personally. I will be renting this home for 180days. I can do my own 
install ! ! ! ! and prob have the equipment for it also  quote accordingly 
:) 


Parque Montebello 
street 1 A-19
Trujillo Alto Puerto Rico 00976


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[WISPA] ATT Coverage in Puerto Rico ????

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We're about to head to Puerto Rico for a cellular project. Can anyone here 
confirm if ATT/Cingular will work there, and if so, any additional charges ?

Thanks,

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Re: [WISPA] Cell Company Towers

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you can't afford it

JohnnyO


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Subject: [WISPA] Cell Company Towers


> Has anyone worked with a cell company for collocation on THEIR towers? 
> IE:  AT&T, T-Mobile, US Cellular, etc.  Not interested in hearing about 
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Re: [WISPA] Anyone doing remote backup for customers?

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We have a few customers we do backups for as well. We moved away from "Handy 
Backup" and use  believe it or not Winzip ! - Has more features and 
customization for the remote backup process I find.


JohnnyO

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Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone doing remote backup for customers?



We use handy backup.  It's not really popular yet.

We may be over charging for space.  The bitch of it is that people could 
totally screw our network up with all of the backups, even if they backup 
to our servers!


Marlon
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1999!

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Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 1:19 PM
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All I can say is that we have been doing off site remote backups for 
several

years - for many Gov't facilities, personal business and even a few
individuals. We chose this: http://remote-backup.com/  software and it 
has

been the greatest, most trouble free software I have ever used. Not one
moment's trouble in years.

Mac






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Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 12:30 PM
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I've been looking at an open source application called backuppc and
considering offering remote backup service to some customers.  I
appreciate the wisdom and experience of the group here.   Any
suggestions on how best to offer this service?  Any software
suggestions for this?  I would like to have the backup on my servers.
any turn-key solution suggestions?

Thank you kindly,
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Re: [WISPA] co-location

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Ron - not meaning to pick on you but what you said made me laugh 
FYI - I run some Canopy gear also but the following."At the very 
least cable between the

sync ports and set one to generate sync, this will help you but not any
other Canopy WISP's in the area."


hehehe - since when have any of us that run Canopy worried about any other 
WISPs in any area to begin with ! ?


JohnnyO



- Original Message - 
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Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 1:57 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] co-location



Why not go ahead and sync them? With a SyncPipe from Forest or a CTM from
Last Mile Gear it is not that expensive. >
Ron

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Subject: [WISPA] co-location

Hi,

Has anyone successfully co-located two non-sync'ing AP's on the same
tower using the same channel and polarity, but pointed in opposite
directions? I would be using shielding and 15-20ft of vertical
seperation. 60 degree internal antennas.

thanks,

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Re: [WISPA] SCADA

[JohnnyO]

Cliff this isn't the list to go into "specifics" - Tell Marsha we've been 
found out !


JohnnyO

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Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 9:59 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] SCADA


Ray,

JohnnyO is correct but ommitting specific details...

First -- We do provide the conduit for our water district to monitor and 
control their locations via our Internet service. If you want more details, 
contact me off list and I'll fill you in on what I know, and if needed, put 
you in contact with the consultant that arranged this solution with us.


Second -- JohnnyO, the medical issue you refer to has been confirmed to have 
originted with your wife. If she hasn't, make sure she goes to the doctor 
soon as I hate others to meet my similar fate. BTW, you may wanna see a 
doctor too! :)


- Cliff LeBoeuf
- 985-879-3219
- www.cssla.com
- www.triparish.net



-Original Message-
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Sent: Sat 9/15/2007 8:42 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] SCADA

contact Cliff Lebouf at www.cssla.com or www.triparish.net  They handle all
of the data aquisition for the water district whose tanks they operate off
of. Although Cliff has some medical issues, I am sure he's willing to share
some of his information with you. He's a great guy so you can't fault him
for his off-list behaviour.

JohnnyO
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Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 8:38 AM
Subject: [WISPA] SCADA


We operate access points off of three water tanks that are owned by a local
utility district.They have aproached us asking if it is possible to use a
broadband connection to replace the 900mhz radio links they use from each
tower to their main office.Has anyone done this before or is it possible?We
have limited knowledge of scada equipment but this would be a win win
situation for both of us since it would eliminate their radio links and we
would gain a customer. Any input would be appreciated.
Thanks
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Re: [WISPA] SCADA

[JohnnyO]

contact Cliff Lebouf at www.cssla.com or www.triparish.net  They handle all 
of the data aquisition for the water district whose tanks they operate off 
of. Although Cliff has some medical issues, I am sure he's willing to share 
some of his information with you. He's a great guy so you can't fault him 
for his off-list behaviour.


JohnnyO
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To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 8:38 AM
Subject: [WISPA] SCADA


We operate access points off of three water tanks that are owned by a local 
utility district.They have aproached us asking if it is possible to use a 
broadband connection to replace the 900mhz radio links they use from each 
tower to their main office.Has anyone done this before or is it possible?We 
have limited knowledge of scada equipment but this would be a win win 
situation for both of us since it would eliminate their radio links and we 
would gain a customer. Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks
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Re: [WISPA] Down South

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Water ? LOL - we're 110 miles from where it made landfall and I already have 
8inches of water in my yard.


Rick Smith - good waterproofing techniques in play... no backhauls down 
as of yet !


JohnnyO
- Original Message - 
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Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 7:09 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Down South


How are you guys dealing with that water?  They said the hurricane is going 
to hover for a while.



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Re: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters.

[JohnnyO]

Ralph - you need to just learn how to keep your mouth shut sometimes. I 
don't care if I get banned or not, but your posts and tone towards others on 
this list has become absolutely annoying. You are responsible for many on 
this list not posting at all anymore. I don't know who the hell you THINK 
you are but what have YOU done for this industry ? What have you done for 
WISPA ? What have you done for this public list other then make it a less 
enjoyable place for others since you been around ?


It's easy for someon to come on here and blab their mouth and make the 
arrogant/obnoxious comments as you do at times when they don't do CRAP for 
this organization or this industry. You are one of those that is out for 
yourself. Your posts are meaningless to me at this point and I am not the 
only one who has this opinion.


I don't appreciate how you bash others with your petty posts about 
compliance or non-compliance, like you are 1 step above the ones that are 
either half way compliant or not compliant. Your motorola radios are FCC 
Certified but they also TRASH any useable band they operate in ! ! ! ! ! ! ! 
! Almost ANY non-compliant equipment builders out there operate systems that 
are much more co-location friendly, they allow multiple people in the areas 
to operate on the same frequencies. Stick a pipe in it already 
Compliant systems


Do me and 100s of others a favor and go do some work, keep your mouth shut 
unless you have something valuable to share. Apparently you have MUCH too 
much time on your hands.


JohnnyO


- Original Message - 
From: "Ralph" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:25 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters.


Yes, the truth does hurt...
Maybe Mikrotik can start making a cell phone repeater to add to the product
line.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:08 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters.


Oh for the love of Pete! This list _was_ getting useful..

Please subtract 9 billion mod points for the Troll please and send him back
to Slashdot or NANOG, his natural environment.

Ty, thanks for the quick answer. Things like that make this list _usefull_
and _relevant_ to my work.

ryan

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ralph
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 9:05 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters.

Amen!
But remember the rules don't bother a lot of people on this list. They were
written for all the OTHER people.

Ralph


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Behalf Of Ty Carter 
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:02 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters.


Thanks Blake.. That is what I was dancing round in my post... there are
homegrown yagi from ~$400 but that will not fly on the legal front...

Please be aware there are legal implications for unauthorized repeating or
broadcasting of a cell providers frequency.

And to address Ryans question; NO, you can not.

1.  You are not authorized to proxy on behalf of
2.  You don't own the freq.
3.  You don't have the subscriber

Shall I go on...

Ty Carter

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Blake Bowers
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:23 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List
Cc: Jack Daniel
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters.

Be prepared...

In order to do it legally, there are some hoops to jump through.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

is an excellent source for the particulars on the technical
AND legal side of this.


- Original Message - 
From: "Scottie Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 1:15 AM
Subject: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters.



Have any of you guys installed cell phone repeaters for places before?

I

have a boat dock that needs Verizon cell phone service repeated but

have

no clue to really go about doing it. We have spoke to Wilson Antenna

and

they say we need at least a -80dB or so on our handheld cell phone to

be

able to repeat it. Just wondering if anyone else has done this before

and

what kind of results they have had? TIA.

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John - Sir - I am sorry - this was all my fault. My dog got killed the 
morning the Post Office called in with trouble. When I finished scraping the 
puppy off of the road, my hamster came down with pink eye and I had to see 
to it he was brought into the vet for quick care.


DOH ! - John - cut back on the booze :)

JohnnyO

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Guys,
How did we lose this account? Is our service so bad in Bonnie that
satellite is a better option? This is not a rhetorical question. I want
to know how we could lose this account.
Scriv


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Type: Wireless Problem

Please disconnect Bonnie Post Office/Barbara Fetch, they have went with 
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Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

[JohnnyO]

Part-15 did NOT do the same things WISPA does. Part-15 lead it's membership 
to believe it was for the INDUSTRY when all Part-15 did was to line it's own 
pockets for PERSONAL GAIN. I do not see the same thing here.


JohnnyO
- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 7:48 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation


Part-15 used to do the same things WISPA does.  However, I think most of 
the people with Part-15 that did this left to form WISPA.



-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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- Original Message - 
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To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 12:55 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] In support of legal operation



See inline comments please




Behalf Of Zack Kneisley

John, List.. anyone else really.

I was trying not to get into a discussion at a "12 year old level". I
merely
support anyone who feels that they want to change something, through a
structured method. Although I agree on this particular issue, making a
statement  "look at our code of ethics" does not accomplish that Ralph
requested.


[Mac says]

I think our "Code of Ethics" states precisely what Ralph was looking for. 
He
was looking for something that states WISPA's position on certified -vs- 
non

certified gear "I would like to ask the WISPA board to publish a position
paper on legal operation and guidelines for WISPs to use in order to meet
the current rules" and if our Code of Ethics aren't in black and white 
for
all to see then I will see if we can get them enlarged. I don't think it 
can

be more readily apparent than that. Producing a "paper" would be a total
waste of time imho. If you have trouble ciphering what we have - -another
one is not going to clarify it any better.



Is there no structure in WISPA? Is there no means to petition an
organization that supposedly "represents all wisps" to entertain the
mans
request? Is there no sturcture in WISPA that is aimed towards ratifying
or
creating a documents.


[Mac says]

  I have yet to understand what anyone needs that we haven't already made
available. Our stand is in our Code of Ethics.



I think what it comes down to is a few simple questions.

Does a member of WISPA have the right to request such a public stance?
Does WISPA have a means of debation these requests?
Is there even a process in place that could lead to a document such as


[Mac says]

 See above and yes. We are here for all WISPs. That means those that are
c0mpletely illegal as well as the legal and those of us who are somewhere
in-between or caught in the middle. If the statement that you are looking
for from WISPA is to state that you have to be 100% legal or you can't be 
a

member of the organization - - that will never happen, That would be like
telling us sinners that we aren't welcome at church. We are a lobbying
organization and we are here to lobby whoever we can to make the changes
that we see needed to make our jobs as WISPs more successful. We have 
never

had anyone to step up to the plate for us like we do at WISPA. No one has
ever presented anything to the FCC on your (and every other WISP) behalf,
but WISPA. We have made many trips to DC right out of our own back 
pockets

because it affects us too. The truth of the matter is that the more of us
there are all gathered under one umbrella - - the louder our voice in DC 
and
the bigger impact we will have on this industry. We have the opportunity 
to
shape it into a more formidable playing field for the mom & pop shop that 
so

many of us are today.

We are not a police agency and we are not a reporting agency. If you 
aren't
filling out your form 477 then I (and the rest of the board) will urge 
you
to do so. If you aren't running FCC certified gear then I (and the rest 
of

the board) will urge you to get working on that too. If you choose not to
fill out your form 477 then we will attempt to educate you as to why you
need to be doing this. If you aren't using FCC certified gear then we 
will
attempt to educate you as to your advantage of following through with 
this

task as well.

We are friends with the FCC, FBI, Homeland Security as well with our
individual Congressmen and Senators. We are on the same side they are and
are "all about" being legal, promoting legal gear and being professionals 
at
what we do. I have yet to figure out where anyone came up with the idea 
that

we were anything different than that!!

That's all I have to say about that! :-) (Forest - Forest Gump)


Mac Dearman




Ralph
requested?

If WISPA is not open to have a democratic way to represent the
individual
wisps, then this whole debate has no merit. If an individual that c

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik as an Orinoco AP-1000 Replacment

[JohnnyO]

Ralph - I do believe Butch has a valid point here. If you are using an 
"Orinoco" AP with your own DIY setup (sounds like you are) - I hardly think 
you're legal. So why does the pot call the kettle black in this or any other 
instance ?


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- Original Message - 
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Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 7:03 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik as an Orinoco AP-1000 Replacment


Yep, and addition to being fully FCC Part 15 certified, I plugged it in with
a UL approved Power cord too :-P
I don't need to justify legality to allow someone to rationalize illegality.
Sorry

As well known as you are to Mikrotik Butch (even I was about to hire you for
some MT Router work), why don't you encourage MT to make some certified
designs?

WISPA's wish for a do it yourself palette of devices to cobble together and
be certified is a pipe dream. The FCC doesn't work like that.
If they did, then Kenwood, Icom, Motorola, and the others would already have
do-it-yourself commercial radio kits. And you'd be able to go to Radio Shack
and buy a kit to build a microwave oven project.

How can we WISPS as an industry just blatantly defy the rules. Because they
are silly doesn't void them, nor does it give us the authorization to ignore
them.  Does someone need to get fined and made an example of?


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I suppose you are using a complete certified system with the Orinoco
AP?  (radio, pigtail, enclosure, cables, antenna)  Just for all our
comfort, can you provide the FCC IDs on the gear you are using?

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Re: [WISPA] Remote power Reboot.

[JohnnyO]

Aren't there some remote reboot devices that use the paging systems ? Does 
anyone have links to these ?


JohnnyO
- Original Message - 
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Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 12:25 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Remote power Reboot.


I was only aware of the DigitalLogger device at that low a cost point ($89 
+ $39 for autoping.)

If you find the other one, let us know.
I believe the The Digital-Logger device does have the ability to allow you 
to automate scripting into it. Did you check the FAQ on thier website, I 
thought I saw a help file on that.


Tom DeReggi
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Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 12:49 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Remote power Reboot.



Hi all,

I am looking for a remote power reboot solution that works with telnet 
and/or auto ping for under $100. I know a couple of months ago I found 
one googling for about $89, but for the life of me can't find it 
again(guess I should have bought it then!).


I only need AC one outlet for this to reboot a cable modem/router. I can 
only seem to find Dataprobes stuff, and with a background in electronics 
and programming, I have yet to see where the gold is at in this for $300.


I found this one http://www.digital-loggers.com/lpc.html but it doesn't 
work with telnet according to the email I just received from them. I 
guess I could just use the auto-ping feature and not have to use telnet, 
but the other one I had found did everything I was looking for.


I have an access server that I can dial into and access my network, but 
to reach other gear inside, I have to telnet to them. TIA for any 
suggestions.


Scott

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Re: [WISPA] Updated my spam filter....just testing

[JohnnyO]

Spam Filter ? will this filter the spam that you send out from time to time 
? LOL


JohnnyO
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Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 7:25 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Updated my spam filterjust testing



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Re: [WISPA] wireless in the Bahamas

[JohnnyO]

Call and speak to JParr - he will guide you in the right direction.

JohnnyO
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] wireless in the Bahamas



W.D.McKinney wrote:

Yes, see http://www.bgcfreedom.com/


I called them and as of 2 weeks ago they are no longer providing wireless 
services.


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Re: [WISPA] wireless in the Bahamas

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better known as jparr ! Jeremy is a cool cat. Get in touch with him.
- Original Message - 
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Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 7:56 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] wireless in the Bahamas


I want to say his name was Jeremy but I may be mistaken.  It seems like 
Jeff

Booher had a buddy down there, but maybe it was Bermuda.

Rick

-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 8:48 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] wireless in the Bahamas

There are several.  This is one I know of personally:

http://www.abacoinet.com/

Also, there was a guy on these lists who was from there, and I'm drawing a
complete blank on his name.  Someone will remember him, I'm sure.

Jeff




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I am curious if anyone on the list is familiar with wireless internet
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Re: [WISPA] Managing your network on the go-go-go!

[JohnnyO]

I've used my Cingular 8125 to do SSH and Web based management I have not 
looked into what upgrades they have for this but it's been nice at times.


It has a nicer keyboard then any of the Crackberries i've seen.

JohnnyO
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Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Managing your network on the go-go-go!



Matt Liotta wrote:
If your entire network is managed via a web-based OSS then any cell phone 
with a decent browser should do what you need. I can't imagine wanting to 
do SSH via a cell phone. That seems like a sure fire way to have a typo 
on something important.


It's not so much a "network management system" as it is "a six-year-old 
copy of WhatsUp Gold."


The most complicated thing I'm likely to try with one is rebooting it, but 
even that requires logging into something via SSH (either the unit itself, 
or some other system somewhere so you can reboot it via starutil).


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Re: [WISPA] Ohio State-wide broadband network *Justin*

[JohnnyO]

Justin - Call Jay about the tower in Eaton, Ohio.

JohnnyO

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Subject: [WISPA] Ohio State-wide broadband network



http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/01/2214205&from=rss

"In order to coordinate and expand access to the state's broadband data
network, Ohio Governor Ted Strickland has signed an executive order
establishing the Ohio Broadband Council and the Broadband Ohio Network. 
The

order directs the Ohio Broadband Council to coordinate efforts to extend
access to the Broadband Ohio Network to every county in Ohio. The order
allows public and private entities to tap into the Broadband Ohio 
Network -
all with a goal of expanding access to high-speed internet service in 
parts

of the state that presently don't have such service."

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Re: [WISPA] High quality LMR-400 cable

[JohnnyO]

Roger Peters - [EMAIL PROTECTED] 210-601-7727  he makes the best jumpers 
around. You will have ZERO issues with them. Uses the best connectors / 
shrink tube on the market... all of his stuff is done using a hydraulic 
press / crimper type setup.


JohnnyO

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Subject: RE: [WISPA] High quality LMR-400 cable


Try Times Microwave (lmr-400 (50 ohm)) or (lmr400-75 (75 ohm)) as the
mfgr and Tessco as the distributor; you will have to purchase the
N-Connectors separately; however they are not difficult to terminate.

Ty Carter


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Subject: [WISPA] High quality LMR-400 cable

I am looking for a provider/manufacturer of high quality LMR-400 cables
with
N-type connectors. We will probably use 1.5m cables. Do you have any on
mind?

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[WISPA] VOIP Providers with Virtual Office Type Setups - CALL ME NOW

[JohnnyO]

Need a very quick solution to a very aggrivating problem. BellSouth and Us 
have been arguing for months over excess charges on our bill from when we 
had T1 services through them. Apparently this morning, they have decided to 
shut off our phone lines into our office. *There way of making us 
pay for stuff we do not owe them for *


I am needing an almost overnite VoIP / Virtual Office type setup from 
someone who has reasonable pricing and a damn good service. If you are going 
to call and expect us to pay more then $100.00/mo for a 1-800 # type setup 
with 3 extensions. Don't bother...


If anyone has any solutions they would like us to take a look at , we will 
be making a decision today by noon.


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Re: [WISPA] Cold Galvanzing

[JohnnyO]

Scott - if the tower you are wanting to "touch" up has rust on it... the 
cold galvanizing won't do you any good what so ever. You need to take it 
down to bare metal before applying any type of coating.


JohnnyO

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Subject: [WISPA] Cold Galvanzing


I need touch up a tower I have.  I would like to cold galvanize it, but all 
I can find it spray cans of Zinc.  Where do you folks get gallons of Zinc 
Cold Galvanize that can be brushed on?


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Re: [WISPA] RB 133c

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Don't use 133s for backhauls. You will NOT get 12meg-15meg We have a 133 
in place that is at 100% CPU utilization at 6meg with very very little else 
going on other then traffic.


JohnnyO

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB 133c



12-15 meg..  depending on rules, connection tracking off may get you more.


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Hey Guys,
I am trying to build some super cheap backhauls.  How much traffic could
I pass with the 133 and a couple of sr5, and would I want a level 3 or 4
lic?

Thanks,
Brian


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Re: [WISPA] trango repairs

[JohnnyO]

Jack - nice signature :) Did Cliff tell you to throw that in there LOL

JohnnyO
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Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:27 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] trango repairs


When you send us something that has been destroyed, its rather difficult 
to
repair.  Some units are beyond repair,  even at the manufacturer. 
Remember

we do not charge for unrepaired units.



Ezlinx.net Inc.
Jack Weinberg, President
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Ezlinx.net repairs and refurbishes Motorola, Alvarion, Tranze, Trango,
Proxim and many other brands of wireless equipment.  Call us for all your
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I sent them 5 units last month, one 5830 AP 5800 Su and 3 Fox 5800.   Over 
a

month later they sent them back to me, none repaired.

I am working with another company that is training on the repair, may have
another option soon.


Victoria Proffer
www.stlbroadband.com
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314-974-5600



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Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 8:55 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] trango repairs

Travis,

 I have never sent him anything to repair for me, but I have sold him lots
of the old Alvarion 3mbps stuff from some other ISP buyouts. They seemed 
to

be nice folks and have been at it for a long time.


1-866-439-5469

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Hi,

Is there anyone doing Trango repairs for a reasonable rate? Trango wants
$200 per radio.

Thanks,

Travis
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Re: [WISPA] Water Tower Mounts

[JohnnyO]

I think magnetic mounts are used by lazy / cheap people who do not want to 
spend the $$ nor the time to do it right. Get a professional welder... Be 
done with it, sleep at night. A magnetic mount would never fly with our 
approval board on our water tower systems.


JohnnyO

ps - I have a few friends on this list that use magnetic mounts. they 
are lazy / cheap :) LOL
- Original Message - 
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I don't intend to ruffle any feathers, nor do I direct this at any one
individual
but, the number of assumptions made and the knee-jerk reactions and
false statements being made in response to a suggestion that
magnetic mounts can be successfully used in some circumstances is both
amazing
and somewhat disappointing. I would have hoped that we could have a
more "professional" atmosphere on this list.

"Best practices" if it in this case is taken to mean to use a
commercially available
professionally engineered mount which has been engineered to "withstand
100 mph wind loads" (to use an arbitrary example) instead of using a
mounting
system which will withstand much more than that, albeit not a
"professionally
engineered" solution is just wrong. I would rather go with the stronger,
more stable solution rather than compromise on the integrity of the
mounting
to attain the engineer's label. Whether that is "best" or not I suppose
would
depend upon whether your goal was safety or following the "norm".

It has been suggested in another post that nothing should ever be mounted
on a tower that some idiot might at some point decided to use as a tie-off
anchor point. That is a good idea in practice, but how many of us have
attached
a lightweight yagi antenna to a tower leg, assuming that nobody would ever
be foolish enough to use it to tie off to, or even use as a foothold or
handhold?
Are we supposed to only use yagi antennas engineered to withstand improper
use in case some idiot decides to tie off to one? What about omni
antennas consisting
of a thin metal rod, possibly encased in a small fiberglass tube? The
point is
that while safety should be a top priority, the goal of never mounting
something
on a tower that could at some point be mis-used as an anchor or support
point
is an unrealistic goal, which I would go so far as to say that those who
propose
such a goal have not been able to meet themselves, assuming that they have
actually mounted equipment on towers.

As far as mounting heavy stuff which might fall off and hurt someone, I
would
assume that the reaction(s) in this thread would indicate that
non-penetrating
roof mounts, chimmney mount brackets, clamping to roof vents not
specifically
engineered to withstand such use, and all other forms of mounting which
might
under some conditions fail and allow the "heavy" objects to fall would be
outlawed in your town were you given the regulatory authority to do so. 
Or,

perhaps because they were "designed by professionals" they would pass
muster in your book in spite of the fact that any fool looking at them 
could

imagine a likely scenario in which they would fail.

I have seen numerous "professionally engineered" solutions which I would 
not

use in a given circumstance because of the likelihood of it failing, and
have
in several instances used a solution designed by an "amateur" (me) so that
I could rest easier at night, knowing that I have done what I could to
mitigate
the actual risk to life and property. Sometimes that means doing things in 
a

way that is "out of the norm", which scares some people. That they are
scared
by that which is not "normal" without a rational basis for their fear is
disheartening. Many rules and regulations have been foisted upon us and
have limited the options available to those less suited for the job at 
hand

simply because of those irrational fears.

I have seen mounts which were "professionally" mounted to towers using
welded studs (either welded to existing towers or in some cases to towers
being constructed) using small diameter bolts which were definitely not
something that I would trust my life to, and other mounts that were well
engineered and would likely withstand likely wind loads on the equipment
that they were supporting, yet which will probably fail in hurricane or
tornado
force winds. Are these in-appropriate? should we engineer everything to
withstand +500mph wind loads? Should all magnets be outlawed? (I see
lots of magnetically mounted omni antennas on vehicles traveling at high
speed down public roadways, can you imagine that???) I bet some of those
responding negatively to magnetic mounts even have magnets holding stuff
on their refrigerators, one of the highest use and traffic areas in the

Re: [WISPA] Tower Accident

[JohnnyO]

Tim . I am not sure what you are referring to ! ! ! ! ! Life Insurance ? 
.. *Dong* - ONSTAR - . can you help me find my boat...


JohnnyO
CampWTF .
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Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower Accident



Mike Hammett wrote:
A full body hazmat setup is always cheap insurance when you're around 
JohnnyO!


How very true that statement is!. I have also learned from prior 
experience that upping your life insurance may not be a bad idea also! ;-)



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Re: [WISPA] Tower Accident

[JohnnyO]

I've seen Tim Wolfe dressed in what looked like a space suit :) Shoud have 
gotten him to go up a tower dressed like that and taken pictures !


CampWTF Founding Member :)

JohnnyO
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Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 9:01 AM
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I did read the post. But as my post said:

"I could not imagine what would happen if it hit him on the head."

"Could not imagine...if"  Were the key words.

Nothing can protect from all scenarios. If so tower climbers would be 
going

up in full body suits with Kevlar. Would look like space men on the tower.

Justin

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-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 9:55 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower Accident

If you read the post, the wrench hit the ladder and then bounced into
his face. Even if he had a hard hat on (which I am guessing he did), it
does not protect your face.

Travis
Microserv

Justin S. Wilson wrote:
One of the reasons climbers need to wear hard hats and be 100 percent 
tied
off.  I could not imagine what would happen if it hit him on the head. 
I

have other opinions but OSHA might not like them so I will leave it at

that.




Glad your guy is okay.



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Behalf Of Zak Wolfinger
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 8:41 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] Tower Accident



Hi Folks,

We had what turned out to be a minor tower accident involving one of our
tower climbers.

It appears that he had attached a wrench to the wrong carabiner on 
another
climbers harness.  When climber #2 detached the carabiner, the wrench 
fell
without his knowledge.  Climber #2  was up to 50' above Climber #1 at 
this

time.  The wrench appears to have hit the ladder directly in front of
Climber #1's face and entered end-first into his mouth.  This chipped a
couple of his front teeth, cracked one of his wisdom teeth, and tore a
quarter-sized hole in the soft pallet near the rear of his mouth.  The

tear

required six stitches.

Needless to say, we are quite grateful for the outcome.

This incident underscores the extreme risk that our climbers operate

under.

It also illustrates how a very simple error can have potentially

devastating

consequences.  His  injuries, although quite painful, were not life
threatening.  It could easily have been otherwise.  Had the wrench hit 
his

temple, forehead, or eye socket, it could have resulted in blindness or

even

death.

Our hats go off to all of the brave guys who operate in this environment.

May God bless you all.








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Re: [WISPA] Sherianne Mabry

[JohnnyO]

Marlon - please forward this information to us at APGWireless as well. The 
WISPA list donated over $1600.00 to a family in our home town that suffered 
a death of a father and a child in a house fire some time ago. Although 
$1600.00 does not seem like a lot - I know the mother made nothing but good 
use of it. It takes a lot to start picking up the peices and put things back 
together in times like this.


We would like to contribute with some $$ also.

WISPA - Let's pull together and see if we can beat that $1600.00 donated 
previously for the current family in need.


JohnnyO

ps - Cliff - you tightwad . *nudge nudge*


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John,

Please convey our deepest sympathy to Jeff.  What a rotten event.

Can you give us an address/phone number for the bank?  I'll have Mary send 
a check to help with Jeff's upcoming expenses for the kids.


sincerely,
marlon

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Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 3:10 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Sherianne Mabry


For those of you who know Jeff Mabry, I wanted to let you know about a
tragedy which occured earlier this week.  Jeff's wife, Sherianne Mabry
was killed in a car accident on Monday. Please join me in extending
your thoughts and prayers to Jeff and his family during this very
difficult time.  Please see below for information about the funeral
services and memorial fund.

Visitation will be Thursday night starting at 5:00 pm at Milner & Orr in
Lone Oak, KY.
Funeral will be at the Central Church of Christ in Paducah, KY on Friday
at 11:00 am.  Visitation will begin at 9:00 am.
Instead of flowers and plants for the services Jeff has requested
donations for a fund that is being set up in Sherianne's name (At City
National Bank in Metropolis, IL) for Jeff's two small children, Hannah
and Aaron.

John

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Re: [WISPA] Low cost generator

[JohnnyO]

Hey Brad - Being George don't wanna call me You call me LOL

JohnnyO
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ps. call me after 5pm today .. I may have something you may 
want...maybe :)



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Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 10:37 AM
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David,

Oh, ok...I missed the original post link to the 3800.00 generator.  After
poking around on the www.electricgeneratorsdirect.com site I came across the
$1959.00 7kW LP & Natural gas genset delivered, tax included, with transfer
switch and $40 check discount.

I'm inclined to bite off on that deal if I knew for certain all my APC's
(500VA and greater) would be happy with it.  


Ralph,

Kudos on a great score at Home Depot!  Gotta love a motivated "big box"
manager when in their eyes they have an albatross SKU.


Best,


Brad



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We've used the Guardians (Generac) from Home Depot.  Work fine.
Every one I have ever seen came with the transfer switch.
Best deal was a 12Kw I got that was brand new, but the transfer switch and
the top of the generator were slightly dented. Seems like I gave $1500.00
for it. HD said it was 400.00 below cost.

I have been told by the HD folks that unless you have it installed by their
folks, the warranty is void, though. I am not sure how true that is.  I
don't think they (HD) sell them without installation.

Ralph



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Brad Belton wrote:

So, you bought this LP & Natural Gas generator for $1460 delivered,
including tax and transfer switch?


Not quite. I was going on the price posted with the OP's link, which had
a displayed price of about $3800 (at the time I looked at it, at least).
That unit can run on either propane or natural gas, out of the box (as
it were).

We paid about $3000 plus sales tax and delivery, which made it around
$3200, including the transfer switch and sundry bits.

I was surprised to find a good price on a generator at Lowe's, but then
I always thought of Lowe's as more of a "home improvement" store, and
didn't expect them to carry things this big. (Maybe I'm just naive or
something, dunno.)

David Smith
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Re: [WISPA] Low cost generator

[JohnnyO]

Ok George - don't call me :)

JohnnyO
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If it was just for radios, I'd be just using ups with extra batteries, but 
it's actually for a small data room with a half a dozen or more servers 
and some pc routers etc as well as couple of radios.


Right now we are just using ups for each server, but they don't last long, 
they just help if the power blinks or is out for a short time.


But if the power is out for a few hours, I'd like to keep operating.


Tom DeReggi wrote:

George,

We investigated these units about 4 years ago, and they were our first 
pick for converting to Propaine backup.
However, at the time we decided against it for cost reasons. We did not 
need 16Kwatt and we were not aware of a 7Kwatt model at that time.
The $3500 for the 16K base unit is not the only cost. The autotranser 
switch added about $500, and then the Propain Tank is also an additional 
cost, but more importantly, the second we used Propaine in a cmmercial 
building, we needed a licensed Propain installer to do the work, to meet 
landlords requirements, which added another grand or two.


We instead installed Triplite 3500 watt power inverters $500 + 8 high end 
batteries (C&D150AH batteries @ $350 each, but have a 10year + lifespan).


The arguement was that generators can be finicky, sometimes not starting 
on demand, if not routinely tested and started, and with the battery 
inverter solution we also were bypassing a high UPS cost, which is high 
for 3500watt rated units. So we solved our problem for 3 grand, instead 
of 6 grand after all considered, said, and done.


Now with that said. Seeing a 7Kwatt unit for only $2000, that changes 
everything! It would definately be more cost effective doing the 
generator instead of batteries.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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Subject: [WISPA] Low cost generator



http://www.electricgeneratorsdirect.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=538

I'm in the market for a generator and came across this one.
The auto transfer switch and propane caught my eye and I figured I'd 
share it with the list.


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Re: [WISPA] Low cost generator

[JohnnyO]

George - Call me - Soon Sir !

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Subject: [WISPA] Low cost generator



http://www.electricgeneratorsdirect.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=538

I'm in the market for a generator and came across this one.
The auto transfer switch and propane caught my eye and I figured I'd share 
it with the list.


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Re: [WISPA] Good Luck to all.

[JohnnyO]

Dawn - you speak about personal attacks but then in your same breath you say 
"Since there is a lack of appreciation for my posts I feel I

need to move on to a more professional venue."


I believe your posts have a lot of personal attacks built into them even if 
just generalized.


Sorry to see you go, some of your posts were worth reading.

JohnnyO


- Original Message - 
From: "Dawn DiPietro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 9:13 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Good Luck to all.



All,

Some on this list have felt it important to steer the discussion towards 
personal attacks and try to discredit me anytime I want to discuss how the 
rules and regulations affect this industry as a whole. My only agenda is 
to help others to understand how they can become compliant and do my best 
to explain how to read the rules set forth by the authorities.  Good luck 
with all your future endeavors.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro
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Re: [WISPA] High Gain 8186HP CPE

[JohnnyO]

Mike - I've had horrible luck with the High Gain products in the past. Also 
ran into some customer service issues when we had a problem with them.. 
I won't rehash on here but feel free to contact me offlist...


I'd highly suggest to continue using Mikrotik or Tranzeo - I've had problems 
with Tranzeo products too, as well as some versions of MT software, but 
nothing compares to the aggrivation I had in dealing with High Gain.


The out of the box Tranzeo CPEs for the price have seemed to be the most 
stable / reliable low cost CPE we've used thus far.


JohnnyO

- Original Message - 
From: "Dennis Burgess - 2K Wireless" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 1:32 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] High Gain 8186HP CPE



I have a stack of High-Gain CPEs that don't work.  Just a FYI.  We also
waited a bit over a MONTH to get the first order.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 12:06 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] High Gain 8186HP CPE

Has anyone used this before?

I normally use MT units everywhere, but I figured that I could save my
customers money when they want to repeat to other buildings of theirs.

Instead of setting up a 5 GHz AP with N-Streme and 5 GHz N-Streme clients,
I'm looking at moving to 802.11g for everything.  Someone suggested to me
the High Gain 8186HP CPE and it looks like a good deal.

What sort of mounting options does it have (can't tell from the pictures)?
Normally I put up a UM and U-bolt it on, but my customer would like a
flat-mount solution.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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Re: [WISPA] Gin Poles/Rohn 25 tower erection

[JohnnyO]

Comments inline

- Original Message - 
From: "Ralph" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 10:15 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Gin Poles/Rohn 25 tower erection



The alton-moore site seems to think that Rohn25 sections don't weigh
anything. He said he has carried 2 sections in each hand easily.
Depends on how hefty this guy is... I have also carried 2 sections in 1 hand 
before and 2 in another hand ... it's a total of 74lbs for 2 9'6" (10ft 
straight sections) of Rohn25

Don't believe it.
Again - depends on your own capabilities... I actually think it was a typo 
and he meant he carried 2 sections... 1 in each hand... but I am not him and 
won't assume.



A section weighs about 40-50 lbs and you need a good rope

No Section of Rohn25 weights 40-50 lbs... Don't believe it.

and certainly a better pulley and clamps that he shows.
His block is a bit rough looking, but it's prob a bit more stout then you 
could buy off of ebay..but his clamps, they will work just fine although 
they will cause you a ton of extra work trying to use them.



I'd be afraid of his setup.


I will say this once, and I don't want to debate on who THINKS they can do 
what Stacking a Rohn25 tower is a very dangerous business. Even more so 
then the larger steel we stack and downstack most of the time. Rohn25 is 
very forgiving but you will get in trouble very quickly if you do not know 
what you are doing and have experienced people working with you.


Do NOT try to skimp on the equipment you use for any tower work. You can 
screw up once and seriously hurt of kill someone. Once you get above your 
2nd section, if you slip / fall / drop a section / shock load the guy 
wires. Rohn25 will kink and collapse quicklike


Hire atleast 1 experienced person in who has stacked SEVERAL of these 
smaller tower types like Rohn / Magnum / Etc.


JohnnyO





-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 12:59 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gin Poles/Rohn 25 tower erection


Well that looks fairly simple.

There's not much out there for gin pole videos.  :-p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vCuIDi4FTQ  That was the only one I could
find.

There's a lot to say on this site, though I dunno if any of it is correct:

http://www.alton-moore.net/towers.html

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Re: [WISPA] Gin Poles/Rohn 25 tower erection

[JohnnyO]

37lbs for Rohn25 ..

JohnnyO

- Original Message - 
From: "Ralph" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 10:15 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Gin Poles/Rohn 25 tower erection



The alton-moore site seems to think that Rohn25 sections don't weigh
anything. He said he has carried 2 sections in each hand easily.
Don't believe it. A section weighs about 40-50 lbs and you need a good 
rope

and certainly a better pulley and clamps that he shows.
I'd be afraid of his setup.



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 12:59 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gin Poles/Rohn 25 tower erection


Well that looks fairly simple.

There's not much out there for gin pole videos.  :-p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vCuIDi4FTQ  That was the only one I could
find.

There's a lot to say on this site, though I dunno if any of it is correct:

http://www.alton-moore.net/towers.html

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Re: [WISPA] Want a bucket truck?

[JohnnyO]

Blair - you need to re-check on these state laws.. Anything over 26,000 
Gross weight capable vehicle requires a CDL !


This is nationwide - atleast this is what the state troopers who have 
stopped us have told us on numerous occassions...


For Hire or Not - weight limits are weight limits.

JohnnyO

- Original Message - 
From: "Blair Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Want a bucket truck?


In most states, as long as the vehicle is only operated by the vehicle 
owner, and it is not used as a common carrier, (to transport people or 
cargo for hire), and it is not used to carry HazMat, and it is not driven 
across state lines, a CDL is NOT required.


In Michigan, my chauffeurs class 3 with motorcycle endorsement allows me 
to operate any road legal vehicle within Michigan as long as it doesn't 
have HazMat that requires placards aboard it.  I've had the chauffers 
since I was 18, but, an operators license is all that is needed unless I 
am acting as a common carrier.



Michael J. Erskine wrote:

Tom;

A snorkel is a bucket truck that is used to get above the fire and spray 
water down on the fire.


It is a diesel and the boss says six miles to the gallon.

You will need a commercial driver's license with air brakes 
certification.  It is a specialty truck to be sure, you aren't going to 
use one of these for installs.  The thing weighs 46,000 lbs and you can 
tell where it has been.  A smaller snorkel might be good for installs, 
say a 40' rig?  This is an 80' rig.


-m-



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[WISPA] QuickMounts

[JohnnyO]

Anyone ever use these ? 
http://www.towerstructures.com/catalog/rooftop_products/qwikmounts.html 

JohnnyO
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Re: [WISPA] Nice CPE

[JohnnyO]

Very nice - except it doesn't support Mikrotik which is a huge downfall.

JohnnyO
- Original Message - 
From: "Gino Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 12:41 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Nice CPE


http://www.ubnt.com/ps2.php4


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Re: [WISPA] MikroTik Hardware

[JohnnyO]

how much are the Axiom boxes ? Noone here listed any pricing for them ?

JohnnyO
- Original Message - 
From: "Gino Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 2:46 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] MikroTik Hardware


There is none ... I searched hi and low, but at the end the axiomtek
boxes were easier, about the same cost and pro looking...

Also the support hardware failure bypass on the Ethernet ports 


Gino A. Villarini
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of JohnnyO
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 3:26 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MikroTik Hardware

Micro-ATX form factor - I am sure there is a 1U case you could build it
into 
if you wanted - rear ethernet ports ...


JohnnyO
- Original Message - 
From: "Gino Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 2:15 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] MikroTik Hardware


1u with front ethernet ports ?

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of JohnnyO
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 11:13 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MikroTik Hardware

Gino - I just built 2 boxes with the following specs.

7 Ethernet ports
512mb ram
2ghz processor
40gb hd
Micro-ATX form factor

I spent a total of 250.00/each including shipping - gotta love newegg

JohnnyO

- Original Message - 
From: "Gino Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 9:56 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] MikroTik Hardware


Check this unit out:

http://www.axiomtek.com/products/ViewProduct.asp?view=436

Gino A. Villarini
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Don Annas
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 11:24 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] MikroTik Hardware

Is there an ETA for any of these products or any information on what
they
will be releasing?

- Don

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 8:20 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MikroTik Hardware

Don't forget also, that MT is coming out with several new routerboard,
including one specifclly designed with giving speeds in the gigabit
range.



On 5/27/07, Travis Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Use a systemboard that has built-in GigE ports. The RB PCI card may be



your problem, as I have two very stable PC platform boxes with dual
GigE ports that will push over 600Mbps without a problem.

Travis
Microserv

Don Annas wrote:
> Guys, I'm looking for a solid state, rack mountable hardware to run
MikroTik
> OS on.  I need the device to be able to handle around 200 MB of
> actual throughput.  We use quite a few of the RB532s today and seem
> to cap out around 40MB or so.
>
> We have tried a few of the PC based platforms using Intel 915 boards



> and
the
> gig RB PCI cards.  When testing with these, we do get minor packet
> loss
that
> we do not get on the 532s or our Cisco routers.
>
> Any suggestions?  Thanks.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _
>
> Don Annas
>
> 336.510.3800 x111
>
> 336.510.3801 fax
>
> HYPERLINK "mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> HYPERLINK "http://www.triadtelecom.com/"www.TriadTelecom.com
>
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>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] MikroTik Hardware

[JohnnyO]

Micro-ATX form factor - I am sure there is a 1U case you could build it into 
if you wanted - rear ethernet ports ...


JohnnyO
- Original Message - 
From: "Gino Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 2:15 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] MikroTik Hardware


1u with front ethernet ports ?

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of JohnnyO
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 11:13 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MikroTik Hardware

Gino - I just built 2 boxes with the following specs.

7 Ethernet ports
512mb ram
2ghz processor
40gb hd
Micro-ATX form factor

I spent a total of 250.00/each including shipping - gotta love newegg

JohnnyO

- Original Message - 
From: "Gino Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 9:56 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] MikroTik Hardware


Check this unit out:

http://www.axiomtek.com/products/ViewProduct.asp?view=436

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Don Annas
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 11:24 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] MikroTik Hardware

Is there an ETA for any of these products or any information on what
they
will be releasing?

- Don

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 8:20 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MikroTik Hardware

Don't forget also, that MT is coming out with several new routerboard,
including one specifclly designed with giving speeds in the gigabit
range.



On 5/27/07, Travis Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Use a systemboard that has built-in GigE ports. The RB PCI card may be



your problem, as I have two very stable PC platform boxes with dual
GigE ports that will push over 600Mbps without a problem.

Travis
Microserv

Don Annas wrote:
> Guys, I'm looking for a solid state, rack mountable hardware to run
MikroTik
> OS on.  I need the device to be able to handle around 200 MB of
> actual throughput.  We use quite a few of the RB532s today and seem
> to cap out around 40MB or so.
>
> We have tried a few of the PC based platforms using Intel 915 boards



> and
the
> gig RB PCI cards.  When testing with these, we do get minor packet
> loss
that
> we do not get on the 532s or our Cisco routers.
>
> Any suggestions?  Thanks.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _
>
> Don Annas
>
> 336.510.3800 x111
>
> 336.510.3801 fax
>
> HYPERLINK "mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> HYPERLINK "http://www.triadtelecom.com/"www.TriadTelecom.com
>
> _
>
>
>
>
>
> No virus found in this outgoing message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/819 - Release Date:
> 5/26/2007
> 10:47 AM
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] MikroTik Hardware

[JohnnyO]

Gino - I just built 2 boxes with the following specs.

7 Ethernet ports 
512mb ram 
2ghz processor 
40gb hd
Micro-ATX form factor 


I spent a total of 250.00/each including shipping - gotta love newegg

JohnnyO

- Original Message - 
From: "Gino Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 9:56 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] MikroTik Hardware


Check this unit out:

http://www.axiomtek.com/products/ViewProduct.asp?view=436

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Don Annas
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 11:24 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] MikroTik Hardware

Is there an ETA for any of these products or any information on what
they
will be releasing? 

- Don 


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 8:20 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MikroTik Hardware

Don't forget also, that MT is coming out with several new routerboard,
including one specifclly designed with giving speeds in the gigabit
range.



On 5/27/07, Travis Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Use a systemboard that has built-in GigE ports. The RB PCI card may be


your problem, as I have two very stable PC platform boxes with dual 
GigE ports that will push over 600Mbps without a problem.


Travis
Microserv

Don Annas wrote:
> Guys, I'm looking for a solid state, rack mountable hardware to run
MikroTik
> OS on.  I need the device to be able to handle around 200 MB of 
> actual throughput.  We use quite a few of the RB532s today and seem 
> to cap out around 40MB or so.

>
> We have tried a few of the PC based platforms using Intel 915 boards



> and
the
> gig RB PCI cards.  When testing with these, we do get minor packet 
> loss

that
> we do not get on the 532s or our Cisco routers.
>
> Any suggestions?  Thanks.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _
>
> Don Annas
>
> 336.510.3800 x111
>
> 336.510.3801 fax
>
> HYPERLINK "mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> HYPERLINK "http://www.triadtelecom.com/"www.TriadTelecom.com
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Re: [WISPA] Free Standing Towers

[JohnnyO]

John - I know this is a little off topic - But myself, and others have all 
been on pins and needles waiting for the resolution to your tower issue you 
asked all of our help on.


1 - Did we get the Cat5 changed out ?
2 - Are the customers in that town experiencing better service ?


LOL

JohnnyO
ps - couldn't help myself
- Original Message - 
From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Free Standing Towers



These guys build the good stuff.
http://www.glenmartin.com/
Scriv


Kelly Shaw wrote:


Folks,
I'm looking for a good free-standing tower. I need to be able to choose
between 150' and 190' and it needs to be able to handle your typical WISP
needs.
I already know about the Trylon SuperTitan and while they seem to serve 
the
purpose, they are really hard to maneuver around on when you get to the 
top.



What are you guys using for free-standing towers at these heights?
Kelly Shaw
Pure Internet


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[WISPA] Customer Needs Service Near Austin, Texas (Paige,TX)

[JohnnyO]

Billy Schwartz
504 B Old Pin Oak Road
Paige, Texas 78659

Can anyone service this address ? If you can - contact me offlist.

Regards,

JohnnyO
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Re: [WISPA] Free Standing Towers

[JohnnyO]

ANWireless towers offer the best WISP solutions out there . 
www.anwireless.com


you cannot beat their pricing / ease of installation / wind loading 
capabilities for the $$


JohnnyO
- Original Message - 
From: "Patrick Shoemaker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Free Standing Towers


Check into Sabre site solutions.  They have several pre-engineered towers 
that are comparable to the SuperTitan series in price but seem to be 
better quality.  I have never seen one in person however.


http://www.sabrecom.com/tower_components_catalog.aspx

Patrick


Kelly Shaw wrote:

Folks,
 I'm looking for a good free-standing tower. I need to be able to choose
between 150' and 190' and it needs to be able to handle your typical WISP
needs.
 I already know about the Trylon SuperTitan and while they seem to serve 
the
purpose, they are really hard to maneuver around on when you get to the 
top.



What are you guys using for free-standing towers at these heights?
 Kelly Shaw
Pure Internet




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Re: [WISPA] Fw: CALEA RouterOS Support and MUM

[JohnnyO]

Way to go MT Chicken Chasing Team ! You latvians rock !

This goes to prove that once again - hands down - Mikrotik is the best PC / 
SBC Router platform out there bar none !


Regards,

JohnnyO
- Original Message - 
From: "Smith, Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 6:28 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Fw: CALEA RouterOS Support and MUM


I second that :)

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jenco Wireless
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 7:26 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: CALEA RouterOS Support and MUM

I knew that when everyone was getting worked up about Calea that MT
would
come through.  Thanks Mikrotik 


Brad H



On 5/23/07, Frank Crawford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Does anyone know the technical requirements of  CALEA? If so please

send

me
a link to the final draft.
thanks frank


- Original Message -
From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: CALEA RouterOS Support and MUM


> Meaning 2.9.44?
>
> Does anyone know if what MT's doing meets the technical requirements

of

> CALEA?  I know there's still staffing and contact issues.
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Doug Ratcliffe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 12:28 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] Fw: CALEA RouterOS Support and MUM
>
>
> > For those who aren't on Mikrotik's mailing list:
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:46 AM
> > Subject: CALEA RouterOS Support and MUM
> >
> >
> >> Eight days until the US MUM!  There is still time to get a good

deal

on
> > flights and hotel accommodations.

http://mum.mikrotik.com/2007/US/

> >>
> >> The following CALEA features will be included in the next version

of

both
> > RouterOS 2.9.XX and 3.X beta.
> >>
> >> CALEA features included in RouterOS
> >> ---
> >> Multiple subject/multiple destination packet interception and
streaming
> >> in
> >> following formats:
> >>
> >> * Call Content Connection (CCC) Interface according to
> >>   PKT-SP-ES-DCI-I01-060914 (PacketCable 2.0 PacketCable

Electronic

> > Surveillance
> >>   Delivery Function to Collection Function Interface

Specification)

> >>
> >> * Call Content Connection (CCC) Interface according to ANSI/SCTE
24-13
> > 2006
> >>   (IPCalblecom Electronic Surveillance Standard) that is approved
method
> > for
> >>   Communication Content delivery to LEA according to
ATIS-113.2007
> >>   (Lawfully Authorized Electronic Surveillance For Internet

Access

and
> >>   Services)
> >>
> >> * TZSP format - for reception with 'Ethereal', tcpdump, trafr
(sniffer
> > stream
> >> reader for linux) - http://www.mikrotik.com/download.html
> >>
> >>
> >> CALEA-server package
> >> 
> >> * accepts multiple CCC streams (identified by destination

port/source

> >> address/case id)
> >>
> >> * stores communication content according to "IP Network Access
Intercept
> >> Requirements and Method"(FBI-WISPA draft) specified "full

content"

> > intercept
> >> requirements (without out-of-band events)
> >>
> >> * stores communication content of multiple subjects/cases
> >>
> >> * stores communication content in libpcap format
> >>
> >> * new libpcap file based on different conditions
(interval/size/packet
> > count)
> >>
> >> * generates hash for each pcap file (md5/sha1/sha256)
> >>
> >> Initial documentation can be found at:
> >> http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Calea
> >>
> >>
> >> Don't forget to attend the MUM CALEA Panel Discussion and

register

for
> >> the
> > MikroTik CALEA Workshop:
> >>
> >> - MikroTik CALEA Workshop, Wednesday May 30th 1-5PM (registration
> >> required
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED])
> >> - CALEA Panel Discussion, Friday June 1st 11:15-12:45
> >> http://mum.mikrotik.com/2007/US/agenda
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Training
> >

Re: [WISPA] FM Radio and Ethernet

[JohnnyO]

We ground everything properly and sometimes with overkill . We lose 2-3 
entire tower sites per year Thank you God ! :) LOL


When you take direct hits - there isn't much you can do but hope for the 
best. Good grounding will only prevent losses due to near hits and static 
discharges.


JohnnyO
- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Erskine (804) 436-9428" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FM Radio and Ethernet



Mike Hammett wrote:

Then why don't WISPs deploy a proper grounding system?



Hmmm, Ok, I should have read the entire thread.  Any WISP who does not 
deploy a proper grounding system is asking for it.


We ground to copper "halos" that are attached to three eight foot copper 
clad rods.  There are grounded surge supressors between each antenna and 
each radio and there are grounded surge supressors on each PoE line 
between the radio and the switch.


The switch is grounded.

So I can't say why someone else does not deploy a proper ground but I can 
say that we have not lost a radio in two years.  I hasten to add that is 
not braggin' and please don't get me God, I didn't mean it to sound like 
anything but thanks.


-m-



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message - From: "Michael Erskine (804) 436-9428" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FM Radio and Ethernet



Mike Hammett wrote:
Why is it, then, that there aren't more radio\TV station outages due to 
lightning?  They have to have done something to reduce their chances of 
a direct hit on those 1200' towers.




A good grounding system that bypasses the communications systems.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message - From: "Scott Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FM Radio and Ethernet


Nothing stops direct hits.  A spark that traveled through miles of air 
isn't really going to care what else is between it and the ground.
Good ground is the lifesaver for nearby hits that induce wild 
voltages.


And following the code is always best for the health and safety of the 
people.


Jonathan Schmidt wrote:

This has been my experience, Scott.

I have seen lightening enter an enclosed device and simply burn a 
hole right

in the middle of a circuit board with nothing else damaged.

On my desktop PC, lightening apparently came in through the cable, 
through
the cable modem (destroyed) and down the Ethernet, through the 
Linksys (OK)

to the PC and the only other damage was the motherboard Ethernet.  I
replaced the modem and bought a PCI Ethernet card and it's fine. 
What paths
lightening took in this incident or the above incident is anyone's 
guess.


There is still controversy over the value of diverting or directing
lightening and/or lightening leaders and streamers to protect against 
a

direct hit.

It's really fascinating and here's a fun place to start you thinking:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning_rod

Nevertheless, good enclosures fed with metal conduit that's well 
grounded

appear to do well but the local ordinances need to be heeded.

. . . j o n a t h a n

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On

Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 5:35 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FM Radio and Ethernet

If properly grounded, the opposite is true.  The ground wire should 
direct the lightning to ground (hence the name) and away from your 
equipment.


Not to mention that in the case of an equipment failure that causes 
the power supply to put 120VAC on the case, etc., the ground wire 
directs the current to ground, not you.  It is always about safety. 
I would much rather have dead equipment than dead personnel because 
an electrical system was not properly grounded.


Dennis Burgess wrote:

YOU DO NOT WANT TO RUN A GROUND WIRE!  The reason for that, is that 
then it
gives lightning etc the ability to go though your equipment vs the 
tower

ground!  B




On 5/22/07, Scott Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Again,
Check your local code before you copy this.  No ground is not 
allowed
here, unless somehow you can prove it is a temporary extension 
cord.

Neither is low voltage in same conduit at 120VAC.

That said, small changes to Dennis' configuration will make good
installation.

Run the cat5 in a separate (metallic) pipe (rigid, EMT, Sealtite,
whatever you like).  Ground the bottom of the pipe.  I would leave 
the

top ungrounded, but that is:
   1) personal preference (eliminates ground loops).
   2) determined by which way gives you

Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Re: [wireless] Waltonville (third time's the charm)]

[JohnnyO]

Dangit Marlon - I thought you were going to take care of this ! If your 
performance and timeliness doesn't improve immediately, I'll have you in 
Idaho pickin potatoes !


JohnnyO
- Original Message - 
From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 7:24 AM
Subject: [WISPA] [Fwd: Re: [wireless] Waltonville (third time's the charm)]



Why wasn't this done yesterday? I asked that it be done then. The people
of Waltonville deserve better than three days of bad service.
Scriv


David E. Smith wrote:


Apparently, we will have to run new Ethernet cable at the Waltonville
tower, as we've now replaced basically everything else there and the
AP is still doing weird freaky stuff.

yay.

Tell Ron "I'm sorry," then clear his morning schedule.

dave











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Re: [WISPA] What is WISPA? MORE THAN YOU!

[JohnnyO]

Good Riddens !

*Singing* Oh Say Can you see... By the stars early light was so ...

JohnnyO

- Original Message - 
From: "Lonnie Nunweiler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What is WISPA? MORE THAN YOU!



I guess I'll unsubscribe as well.  Good bye.

Lonnie

On 5/17/07, Mac Dearman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

All right - here it is - I am done and this is all I will say!

Lonnie - how are you with all your resources helping the CALEA effort? 
Come

to think about it - how are you helping with getting your StarOS and
hardware FCC certified for the USA WISP? You are good to point a finger 
here
today, but you aren't any help in even supporting those that have 
supported
you for years! There are many B I G wireless operators that praise you 
and
you're OS and I have yet to hear how you are going to assist getting 
these

businesses legal and yet you want to pound WISPA board for Mark K's multi
thousand comments on list that was absolutely driving the majority 
insane? I
didn't ever say he didn't have a point - - but to make that point 77 
times a

day is a bit much - wouldn't you say? I have to admit I complained to the
board, but they were quick to point out that he has a right to his 
opinion

much to my chagrin.

 Lets get down the nitty gritty - what are you doing to assist us in our
problem of CALEA? You won't even pony up the $1000.00 (just like Mark 
K.'s

membership dues) to be a member of WISPA, but you will bitch and moan and
groan about what the board members (who did pay)have to say  as well the
paid members opinions. You haven't even bothered to assist the GOB's or 
the

not so GOB's who run your OS, (built their entire network off StarOS) get
legal. I think (personally) if your gear ain't FCC certified - you ought 
not
to be allowed to sale it in the USA. I will take it a step further than 
that
- - - -  no I won't as it includes a horse, dragging, nakedness and a 
town

full of people to witness!!

I guess I will self impose a banishment now - how many days Harnish?

Mac Dearman
Maximum Access, LLC.
Rayville, La.
www.inetsouth.com
www.radioresponse.org (Katrina relief)
www.mac-tel.us (VoIP sales)
318.728.8600
318.728.9600
318.303.4182




> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 4:47 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] What is WISPA? was Promotion of services on-list
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Lonnie Nunweiler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 12:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] What is WISPA? was Promotion of services on-list
>
>
> >I am not saying that CALEA is not real and I actually agree that is
> > required, BUT, did the group have to agree with the rushed timing and
> > especially agree to meet a standard that was not even defined?
>
> Within the law, it's up to us to define the standard.
>
> We met with the "customer" that can give us safe harbor status if they
> like
> our solution.  We also took the time and money needed to make sure that 
> we

> could get the RIGHT answers to as many questions as we could.
>
> >
> > They could have argued for some prior consultation to make sure the
> > requirements were not a hardship for their membership.
>
> And how would anyone out here know what we did in that regard?  For the
> reccord, *I* talked to the FBI about CALEA and it's impact on our 
> industry

> segment.  *THEY* knew that there would be problems with the independant
> operators but didn't know who to talk to and hadn't yet taken the time 
> to

> find out.
>
> We're building a standard so that compliance won't create a hardship 
> for

> our
> industry.
>
> >  They owed that
> > duty to the members.
>
> We fullfilled that "duty" as you call it.  We did tell them that CALEA, 
> as
> things stand, is a disaster for our industry.  They know and 
> understand.

> That's one of the reasons that they are working so closely with us to
> build
> a more affordable/lower impact solution for those that need it.
>
> >  Instead they mostly tried to beat up anybody who
> > spoke against any aspect of it, and as you just tried, to say the
> > speaker uppers were acting like hippies from the 60's and merely
> > wasting time.
>
> Sigh.  Beating up?  I don't think so.  Sure, we called a spade a spade
> when
> people said that we were wasting our time in the wrong direction.  The
> time
>

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

[JohnnyO]

Frank - Muto had a very valid reason to "whin" as you say it. Muto pays 
WISPA a good amount of $$ to be a Vendor Member of WISPA. Dee has 
contributed nothing other then for his own personal gain.


For Dee to make an appology and then change his signature to reflect another 
"free plug" was a bit out of line I think.


Either way, paying members are what are going to get things done for our 
organization. If a vendor is going to support us financially, then we need 
to stand behind them and support them in anyway possible as an organization. 
And if that means slapping the hands of vendors that don't pay, when they 
get out of line, then so be it.


I don't feel Rick, George, Muto was immature or out of line in bringing this 
to as someone said "the rubber meets the road".


JohnnyO
- Original Message - 
From: "Frank Crawford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 2:35 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


Muto whins, Rick responds, George puffs up and threatens Dee, Dee 
apoligies,

Muto dis's the apology.

Very mature guy's.


- Original Message - 
From: "Frank Muto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email



That was not the point and now you changed your signature to promote your
products, nice. The point is that you are promoting your services, 
nothing

wrong about it really, but pay for it. If you do not see any value in

paying

for the privilege to participate as a vendor sponsor of WISPA, then stop
acting like one.

Talking about products, pro-cons, best use, warranties etc., is all well

and

good. But to directly solicit business on this WISPA list-srv with a
competitive product, is not an acceptable practice in my opinion.

Apology not accepted.



Frank Muto
President
FSM Marketing Group, Inc
Postini Partner Reseller
www.SecureEmailPlus.com

ISPCON Spring 2007
May 23-25 in Orlando, FL.
LaunchPad Pavilion J









- Original Message - 
From: "W.D.McKinney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


> Hi Frank,
>
> I was not saying anything for or against you, Postini or Barracuda.
> If you you took offense at my statements, my apologies.
>
> Cheers,
> -Dee
>
>
> Alaska Wireless Systems
> 1(907)240-2183 Cell
> 1(907)349-2226 Fax
> 1(907)349-4308 Office
> www.akwireless.net
> Barracuda Networks Diamond Reseller
> Imagestream Router & WAN Cards
> Force10 Networks Reseller
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Frank Muto
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: WISPA General List
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wed, 16 May 2007 16:55:33 -0800
> Subject:
> Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
>
>
>> As a PAYING supporting vendor of WISPA and co-sponsor for ISPCON, I

take

>> offense to this direct marketing of a competitive service. Last I

looked

>> on
>> the WISPA website, neither Barracuda or Alaska Wireless Systems had a
>> logo
>> displayed, unless you are a paid associate vendor.
>>
>>
>> Frank Muto
>> President
>> FSM Marketing Group, Inc
>> Postini Partner Reseller
>> www.SecureEmailPlus.com
>>
>> ISPCON Spring 2007
>> May 23-25 in Orlando, FL.
>> LaunchPad Pavilion J
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "W.D.McKinney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>>
>>
>> > Hi Folks,
>> >
>> > As a Diamond Reseller for Barracuda Networks, we take the pain out 
>> > of

>> > dealing with issues the best we can for our customers. The issue of
>> > selling a used Barracuda is like a lot of hardware vendors. It 
>> > varies

>> > on
>> > which entity you are dealing with as to the answer you will get.
>> >
>> > We move customers off Postini regularly due to issues they have 
>> > them,

>> > so
>> > it depends what side of the coin you are looking at. (Only the
>> > experienced
>>
>> > walk with a limp)
>> >
>> > We also take the pain of ownership out for folks and filter e-mail

for

>> > WISP's as they frequently need a lower cost solution.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > -Dee
>> >
>> > Alaska Wireless Systems
>> > 1(907)240-2183 Cell
>> > 1(907)349-2226 Fax
>> > 1(907)349-4308 Office
>> > www.akwireless.net
>> >
>>
>> -- 
>> WISPA Wireless List: wirel

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

[JohnnyO]

Dee - that is just it though - The quotes you gave me as well as other 
Barracuda owners, was about 3X the amount someone should be paying for this 
type of service through a larger Web/Email hosting firm.


This is what I originally stated might offend some of the "barracuda owners" 
here.


JohnnyO
- Original Message - 
From: "W.D.McKinney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


Hi Folks,

As a Diamond Reseller for Barracuda Networks, we take the pain out of 
dealing with issues the best we can for our customers. The issue of selling 
a used Barracuda is like a lot of hardware vendors. It varies on which 
entity you are dealing with as to the answer you will get.


We move customers off Postini regularly due to issues they have them, so it 
depends what side of the coin you are looking at. (Only the experienced walk 
with a limp)


We also take the pain of ownership out for folks and filter e-mail for 
WISP's as they frequently need a lower cost solution.


Cheers,
-Dee

Alaska Wireless Systems
1(907)240-2183 Cell
1(907)349-2226 Fax
1(907)349-4308 Office
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- Original Message -
From: JohnnyO
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wed, 16 May 2007 08:37:14 -0800
Subject:
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


Barracuda should offer a "buy back" option for people who purchase 
directly

from them then. This don't make sense - It basically takes a peice of
equipment and renders it absolutely useless if you choose not to use it 
any

longer.. Very Very Very crappy approach to doing business and I guess
now that it is public - it's going to cost them more with their stupid
policy then it was worth putting in their agreement.

JohnnyO
- Original Message - 
From: "Ross Cornett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


> Well, my first contact to Barracuda was exactly that.  I am diggin in
> deeper to better understand their policy.  But, they did tell me they 
> will


> not support a device that they did not sell directly.
>
> Wow, that is hidden deep into their users agreement.  Since you have to
> agree to it to use it, you are bound by it... I will update the list if 
> I

> find any better answer.
>
> Ross
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
>
>
>>I think what Dave was trying to make a point about was that folks at
>>Barracuda acted as if selling used hardware to others may not allow the
>>new owner to purchase updates, maintenance, etc. Dave talked to them, I
>>did not. The impression was that they would not support second-hand
>>hardware. It might be a good idea for you, Ross, to make a call to
>>Barracuda and see what the terms would be for update support for a new
>>owner of this unit before you sell it. At least then you would be able 
>>to

>>tell a new potential owner what to expect as far as costs to continue
>>support for the unit. The Barracuda units do work but if you do not buy
>>support agreements for updates and such then it is useless. The unit can
>>be good as new and not worth a nickel if the manufacturer will not 
>>support


>>it with new spam and virus signature updates.
>>
>> There is no way you would know any of this, Ross. We have had a bad
>> experience with Barracuda regarding used hardware. That was all that 
>> was
>> being cautioned here. If you find out what the terms are for 
>> transferring


>> used hardware to new owners I would like to know what you find.
>> Scriv
>>
>>
>> Ross Cornett wrote:
>>
>>> understand... THis is in great shape.  WE used it for 2 months...
>>> couldn't stand the cryout from the customers that were so used to
>>> Postini.
>>>
>>> thanks.
>>> - Original Message - From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
>>>
>>>
>>>> Ross Cornett wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list.
>>>>> Switched
>>>>> from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen.
>>>>> Had to go back to postini.
>>>

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

[JohnnyO]

Barracuda should offer a "buy back" option for people who purchase directly 
from them then. This don't make sense - It basically takes a peice of 
equipment and renders it absolutely useless if you choose not to use it any 
longer.. Very Very Very crappy approach to doing business and I guess 
now that it is public - it's going to cost them more with their stupid 
policy then it was worth putting in their agreement.


JohnnyO
- Original Message - 
From: "Ross Cornett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


Well, my first contact to Barracuda was exactly that.  I am diggin in 
deeper to better understand their policy.  But, they did tell me they will 
not support a device that they did not sell directly.


Wow, that is hidden deep into their users agreement.  Since you have to 
agree to it to use it, you are bound by it... I will update the list if I 
find any better answer.


Ross

- Original Message - 
From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


I think what Dave was trying to make a point about was that folks at 
Barracuda acted as if selling used hardware to others may not allow the 
new owner to purchase updates, maintenance, etc. Dave talked to them, I 
did not. The impression was that they would not support second-hand 
hardware. It might be a good idea for you, Ross, to make a call to 
Barracuda and see what the terms would be for update support for a new 
owner of this unit before you sell it. At least then you would be able to 
tell a new potential owner what to expect as far as costs to continue 
support for the unit. The Barracuda units do work but if you do not buy 
support agreements for updates and such then it is useless. The unit can 
be good as new and not worth a nickel if the manufacturer will not support 
it with new spam and virus signature updates.


There is no way you would know any of this, Ross. We have had a bad 
experience with Barracuda regarding used hardware. That was all that was 
being cautioned here. If you find out what the terms are for transferring 
used hardware to new owners I would like to know what you find.

Scriv


Ross Cornett wrote:

understand... THis is in great shape.  WE used it for 2 months... 
couldn't stand the cryout from the customers that were so used to 
Postini.


thanks.
- Original Message - From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email



Ross Cornett wrote:

I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list. 
Switched

from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen.
Had to go back to postini.

So, if you are interrested email me off list.  I will make you a deal



Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with Barracuda
first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months back, I picked
up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they wouldn't activate 
it

or provide me service, as it was second-hand.

There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, but 
I

got the impression that they don't like dealing with "used" units,
period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. (You may 
want

to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's how they track
update subscriptions and whatnot.)

David Smith
MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] EVDO vs Wireless

[JohnnyO]

Would 50gb worth of traffic be allowed via EDVO ? :)

JohnnyO
- Original Message - 
From: "Dennis Burgess - 2K Wireless" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 10:12 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] EVDO vs Wireless


I am seeing pings times from 30-80, sometimes higher, up to 500, but 
average

is right around 100ms.  1500k down is average, with about 100-200k up,
sometimes more.  Really depends what area you are in.

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Erik Jansson
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Subject: [WISPA] EVDO vs Wireless

I recently heard that on of the local cell providers is upgrading from
x1 to EVDO.  My question is for those of you who have EVDO in you area
what if any impact it has had, what speeds are being delivered and what
is the cost structure like.

Thanks for the feed back

Erik
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Re: [WISPA] Towers Available *Ron Wallace*

[JohnnyO]

Ron - let me know if you're interested in the Halloway tower as it's on the 
chopping block within 30 days Timmbberrr


JohnnyO
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Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 7:40 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Towers Available


http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZtowern2


-
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik PC

[JohnnyO]

What does pricing look like for them ?

JohnnyO
- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Nash" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik PC


Hey, Gino... Have you successfully deployed RouterOS on one of these 
Axiomtek appliances?


Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
- Original Message - 
From: "Gino Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 7:53 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik PC


Takea look at this:

http://www.axiomtek.com/products/ViewProduct.asp?view=182



Gino A. Villarini
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark Nash
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 12:42 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik PC

I need more horsepower at one router site.

It's got a MT RB532 (233MHz/32MB) and it is pegging at 100% at times,
mostly
in the 85% range, though.  The location has a 19" rack (only about 18"
deep,
though).  Need 8 FastEthernet ports.  No wireless.  Want to user
Mikrotik
RouterOS.

Can anyone recommend a box for this?

Thanks.

Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

[JohnnyO]

www.datapipe.com - you'll pay about $79.99/mo for unlimited domains and 
email addresses.


I will more then likely offend a few people here but I've asked several 
people here that have their own Barracuda's for quotes and noone can seem to 
touch the price I have been paying for 7+ yrs. I suppose their costs are 
much higher and are trying to recoup it on a low volume as opposed to the 
larger mail / hosting outfits.


Datapipe uses the "Iron Port" appliance and they also ANSWER their phone 
24/7/365... You get a live person, not some automated system and I actually 
called them this past year on Christmas with an issue I had with a domain.


Hit me up off-list if you want more information or input concerning this.

Regards,

JohnnyO
- Original Message - 
From: "Doug Ratcliffe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 5:12 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


Currently we do in-house email.  We always have one problem or another 
with

our old IMail server ,plus dealing with a spam server and antivirus... We
have about 15 domains we currently host, about 150 users.  Is it cost
effective to outsource something this small?  Also on a similar note, does
anyone know of a free Exchange host out there that will download pop3 mail
and Direct Push to my mobile phone?

Thanks

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Re: [WISPA] are you for sale?

[JohnnyO]

Oh - why did I "assume" anything when you specifically said the 
following..


Marlon,


**To be honest with you I think some WISP's are in over their heads 
at this point.** This is just an opportunity for them to get out 
gracefully if they choose to do so.

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Dawn - this was started around the CALEA compliance issue... What would be a 
good opportunity for them to get out when the discussion is about Matt 
offering companies a way to sell out due to CALEA compliance????


JohnnyO

- Original Message - 
From: "Dawn DiPietro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] are you for sale?



Johnny,

I NEVER said anyone was in over their heads in regards to CALEA. I was 
talking in general. So don't go putting words into my mouth. What makes 
you think these companies won't be offered fair market value? Another 
assumption?


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


JohnnyO wrote:
Dawn - the way I see it is that this is a way for a company with deep 
pockets to come in and buy up some companies at below market value. To 
use CALEA as a marketing tool for such is in my book completely out of 
line. Well I guess it isn't depending on who you are...


NOONE is over their heads with CALEA at the moment. Jeeesh - let's let 
this play out before anyone goes on a doom and gloom campaign.


JohnnyO
- Original Message - From: "Dawn DiPietro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] are you for sale?



Marlon,

To be honest with you I think some WISP's are in over their heads at 
this point. This is just an opportunity for them to get out gracefully 
if they choose to do so.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro



Did you know that there has NEVER been a CALEA non compliance action?

I can think of a lot of reasons to get out of the business but CALEA 
isn't even on the list let alone near the top.


Marlon
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1999!

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- Original Message - From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 1:27 PM
Subject: [WISPA] are you for sale?


In discussions with others it has come to my attention that several 
companies are looking to exit the business for various reasons not the 
least of which is CALEA. If you're serious about exploring an exit, 
contact me offlist. I am interested in a variety of options from 
taking a controlling interest to an outright cash buyout.


I don't want to sound like a vulture, but the CALEA deadline is coming 
fast and it will become increasingly difficult to sell a business that 
is not compliant after the deadline passes.


-Matt
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Re: [WISPA] are you for sale?

[JohnnyO]

Dawn - I never said YOU SAID that .. Wanna talk about assumptions ?

JohnnyO
- Original Message - 
From: "Dawn DiPietro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] are you for sale?



Johnny,

I NEVER said anyone was in over their heads in regards to CALEA. I was 
talking in general. So don't go putting words into my mouth. What makes 
you think these companies won't be offered fair market value? Another 
assumption?


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


JohnnyO wrote:
Dawn - the way I see it is that this is a way for a company with deep 
pockets to come in and buy up some companies at below market value. To 
use CALEA as a marketing tool for such is in my book completely out of 
line. Well I guess it isn't depending on who you are...


NOONE is over their heads with CALEA at the moment. Jeeesh - let's let 
this play out before anyone goes on a doom and gloom campaign.


JohnnyO
- Original Message - From: "Dawn DiPietro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] are you for sale?



Marlon,

To be honest with you I think some WISP's are in over their heads at 
this point. This is just an opportunity for them to get out 
gracefully if they choose to do so.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro



Did you know that there has NEVER been a CALEA non compliance action?

I can think of a lot of reasons to get out of the business but CALEA 
isn't even on the list let alone near the top.


Marlon
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- Original Message - From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 1:27 PM
Subject: [WISPA] are you for sale?


In discussions with others it has come to my attention that several 
companies are looking to exit the business for various reasons not 
the least of which is CALEA. If you're serious about exploring an 
exit, contact me offlist. I am interested in a variety of options 
from taking a controlling interest to an outright cash buyout.


I don't want to sound like a vulture, but the CALEA deadline is 
coming fast and it will become increasingly difficult to sell a 
business that is not compliant after the deadline passes.


-Matt
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Re: [WISPA] are you for sale?

[JohnnyO]

Dawn - the way I see it is that this is a way for a company with deep 
pockets to come in and buy up some companies at below market value. To use 
CALEA as a marketing tool for such is in my book completely out of line. 
Well I guess it isn't depending on who you are...


NOONE is over their heads with CALEA at the moment. Jeeesh - let's let this 
play out before anyone goes on a doom and gloom campaign.


JohnnyO
- Original Message - 
From: "Dawn DiPietro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] are you for sale?



Marlon,

To be honest with you I think some WISP's are in over their heads at this 
point. This is just an opportunity for them to get out gracefully if they 
choose to do so.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro



Did you know that there has NEVER been a CALEA non compliance action?

I can think of a lot of reasons to get out of the business but CALEA 
isn't even on the list let alone near the top.


Marlon
(509) 982-2181
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1999!

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- Original Message - From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 1:27 PM
Subject: [WISPA] are you for sale?


In discussions with others it has come to my attention that several 
companies are looking to exit the business for various reasons not the 
least of which is CALEA. If you're serious about exploring an exit, 
contact me offlist. I am interested in a variety of options from taking 
a controlling interest to an outright cash buyout.


I don't want to sound like a vulture, but the CALEA deadline is coming 
fast and it will become increasingly difficult to sell a business that 
is not compliant after the deadline passes.


-Matt
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Re: [WISPA] are you for sale?

[JohnnyO]

Well Matt - "not one of those people" which would be me - will not ignore 
the fact of what you're stating is a valid reason for selling out due to 
Calea. I simply will voice my opinion on the matter.


I am sure that more will agree vs. disagree with me that selling out your 
company due to a Calea hurdle is not a good reason to sell. And I really 
don't like seeing someone trying to come in and push a challenge that we're 
up against as a reason to sell.


If you feel what I am saying doesn't hold water... then ignore me :)

JohnnyO

- Original Message - 
From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] are you for sale?



JohnnyO wrote:
Gloom and Doom - Interesting Tactic there Liotta.. Im sorry - but 
Calea is not a reason for anyone to sell their business. The Fat lady has 
not nor will not sing on this issue.


Not sure how you can say what is and is not a valid reason for someone 
else to sell their business. Some people feel it is important to comply 
with CALEA, while others don't. I'm not interested in that debate.


Simply put, I am aware that some people feel CALEA may put them out of 
business and would like to exit before then. If you are one of those 
people contact me. If you are not one of those people then simply ignore 
me.


-Matt

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Re: [WISPA] are you for sale?

[JohnnyO]

Gloom and Doom - Interesting Tactic there Liotta.. Im sorry - but Calea 
is not a reason for anyone to sell their business. The Fat lady has not nor 
will not sing on this issue.


JohnnyO


- Original Message - 
From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:27 PM
Subject: [WISPA] are you for sale?


In discussions with others it has come to my attention that several 
companies are looking to exit the business for various reasons not the 
least of which is CALEA. If you're serious about exploring an exit, 
contact me offlist. I am interested in a variety of options from taking a 
controlling interest to an outright cash buyout.


I don't want to sound like a vulture, but the CALEA deadline is coming 
fast and it will become increasingly difficult to sell a business that is 
not compliant after the deadline passes.


-Matt
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Re: [WISPA] Was lemmings... now What is WISPA?

[JohnnyO]

in BC most say "hey"
- Original Message - 
From: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Was lemmings... now What is WISPA?





eh?

I thought it was "aye"

Lonnie Nunweiler wrote:

The proper phrase is: yeah but, wait right here, eh?

Always end with a question, eh?

Lonnie



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Re: [WISPA] Was lemmings... now What is WISPA?

[JohnnyO]

Butch - if we all followed the laws - nothing in this country would be what 
it is today. If our predeccessors (spelling?) followed the rule which we 
bucked against - where would we be ?


JohnnyO
- Original Message - 
From: "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Was lemmings... now What is WISPA?



On Wed, 2 May 2007, Sam Tetherow wrote:


Um, that is what the DISOBEDIENCE in civil disobedience means.


I can't tell what you are referring to here.  My comment was specifically 
to say that criminal action (breaking the law) is not the proper course. 
Is that the part that you disagree with?


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Re: [WISPA] WISPA task

[JohnnyO]

I agree - Marlon - it's never too late to change laws or minds.

What could I contribute in order to help see this through ?

JohnnyO
- Original Message - 
From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 1:44 PM
Subject: [WISPA] WISPA task


Yes! There is a job for WISPA. Gather all the email addresses for all 
the congresspeople in all the states and post the list to this mailing 
list. Then everyone can write their reps with little or no effort.


It was a little short sighted for Marlon to say "The time for changing 
minds is past", wasn't it? ;)


Travis
Microserv

George Rogato wrote:

Maybe we should all ask our lawmakers to endorse this bill.


Blair Davis wrote:

FYI

Rep Bart Stupak's (D-MI) request for a CALEA waiver for small 
broadband company's is currently expected to be endorsed by my 
congressional Rep Fred Upton (R-MI)


Thought some would like to know.





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Re: [WISPA] Ok, here's my CALEA statement, and farewell.

[JohnnyO]

Carl - yes stop now - before you start drinking ! :)

I placed an upside down flag of your current country on a tower Im working 
on ! (me ducks)


JohnnyO
- Original Message - 
From: "Carl A jeptha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ok, here's my CALEA statement, and farewell.



Mark,
It is people like you who made your country and people like you who 
defended your country. Always remember why you stand your ground. I stood 
my ground, had to leave the country for my family's safety (An loaded Uzi 
(mine) and a baby diaper bag (my new-born baby) together, finally got to 
me. I have returned and almost cried when I saw what has happened and the 
apathy of the people (how can a black man say "life was better under the 
white man's oppression"). But they are "free" - does free mean you can 
make a cross on a ballot paper, but have no food to feed your family.


So all of you stand up, remember why the rest of the world use to admire 
your country and desire to live in your country "where dreams do come 
true"


Remember, how late your country came into WWII. The general populace were 
convinced by a few that it was not "their war". Then remember the anger 
after Pearl Harbour.


Enough, I am rambling on a work morning.

You have a Good Day now,


Carl A Jeptha
http://www.airnet.ca
Office Phone: 905 349-2084
Office Hours: 9:00am - 5:00pm
skype cajeptha



Mark Koskenmaki wrote:
I hereby declare that I am NOT a facilities based provider, since I do 
not
have any physical point on my network that can be tapped, mirrored, 
probed,
or otherwise possible to intercept.   I have no "equivalent" to a 
switched

network.

There you have it.

We're putting my network your mouth is, folks.   Continually, there is 
the
statement that nobody will be requied to change their network.   We'll 
see
how true to their word the government is.  Trusting government's word is 
THE
definition of ultimate stupidity, but I have no other choice.  My 
prediction
is that those statements are only words, and it will ultimately be proven 
a

total lie.

Now, I HAVE a suggestion for LE for how to get information, and I'll be
happy to help them do it, but my particular network simply has NO 
possible

mechanism.  I have spent weeks trying to figure some possible way to meet
the definition of "compliance" but it isn't possible.

Of course, this is of no help to the poor people who now face serious
financial issues.   I regret that WISPA refuses to officially go to bat 
for

them.

For that matter,  I regret wasting WISPA's time.  You fine folks are now
reading my last post to anything related to WISPA and on any WISPA list.
When WISPA turned it's back on the small people, and started insisting 
that

defending right and good was no longer allowed by a "mature" industry,
defining "mature" as being absolutely blind to issues of right / wrong or
even recognition that government is overreaching, it lost my support. 
When

it became downright hostile to the interests of us as people,  it set up
itself as something I am hostile to as a matter of principle.  As one of 
our

forefathers said, the price of liberty is eternal vigilance.  Not just
during speeches, not just as talking points during elections, but in 
EVERY

aspect of our lives, be it religious, business, political, social, and
educational.   When hostility to the notion of defending ourselves 
against

overreaching government is displayed for purposes of expedience or
convenience or "ingratiating ourselves with those in power", then I 
cannot

in good conscience support or be associated.  Sorry.  If principle isn't
worth defending and upholding, it's not principle, just "public stances".
I will never regret upholding principle, but I will certainly regret NOT.

I have very much enjoyed some of the conversations over the many moons, 
the
awesome character and generosity post Katrina displayed by so many, and 
some
of the great people I've conversed with and some of the most fascinating 
and

thought provoking discussions over the many months I have been here.

A few years ago, I would have probably kept my mouth shut and just gone
along.   But no more.  I have had more than enough.  I decided that I 
will
live, speak, and associate according to my best conscience.  It applies 
even

to my business and how I treat my customers.   My first taste of this was
when I turned down a job because it required me to violate my conscience.
I was unemployed and utterly broke.  Some thought me insane, but just 
days

later I had a real job, with pay dramatically exceeding the one I turned
down...and I got to live and work the highest ideals.

Seriously, folks...  It's been a fascinating ride, and I have no 
hostility

to an

Re: [WISPA] Ok, here's my CALEA statement, and farewell.

[JohnnyO]

Exactly my thoughts - I value Mark's opinion and insight - but his opinion / 
insight does me absolutely no good if he will not stay the course.


Mark - I feel you are doing yourself and 100s if not 1000s of others an 
injustice by leaving.


I personally feel you are a friend and someone I've enjoyed hearing from on 
these lists... Don't be a "well I can't say that word here" and leave.


JohnnyO


- Original Message - 
From: "Peter R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 6:31 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ok, here's my CALEA statement, and farewell.


You cannot expect others to take up your flag and run into a fight if you 
will not lead the way.




Mark Koskenmaki wrote:


I hereby declare that I am NOT a facilities based provider, since I do not
have any physical point on my network that can be tapped, mirrored, 
probed,

or otherwise possible to intercept.   I have no "equivalent" to a switched
network.

There you have it.

We're putting my network your mouth is, folks.   Continually, there is the
statement that nobody will be requied to change their network.   We'll see
how true to their word the government is.  Trusting government's word is 
THE
definition of ultimate stupidity, but I have no other choice.  My 
prediction
is that those statements are only words, and it will ultimately be proven 
a

total lie.

Now, I HAVE a suggestion for LE for how to get information, and I'll be
happy to help them do it, but my particular network simply has NO possible
mechanism.  I have spent weeks trying to figure some possible way to meet
the definition of "compliance" but it isn't possible.

Of course, this is of no help to the poor people who now face serious
financial issues.   I regret that WISPA refuses to officially go to bat 
for

them.

For that matter,  I regret wasting WISPA's time.  You fine folks are now
reading my last post to anything related to WISPA and on any WISPA list.
When WISPA turned it's back on the small people, and started insisting 
that

defending right and good was no longer allowed by a "mature" industry,
defining "mature" as being absolutely blind to issues of right / wrong or
even recognition that government is overreaching, it lost my support. 
When

it became downright hostile to the interests of us as people,  it set up
itself as something I am hostile to as a matter of principle.  As one of 
our

forefathers said, the price of liberty is eternal vigilance.  Not just
during speeches, not just as talking points during elections, but in EVERY
aspect of our lives, be it religious, business, political, social, and
educational.   When hostility to the notion of defending ourselves against
overreaching government is displayed for purposes of expedience or
convenience or "ingratiating ourselves with those in power", then I cannot
in good conscience support or be associated.  Sorry.  If principle isn't
worth defending and upholding, it's not principle, just "public stances".
I will never regret upholding principle, but I will certainly regret NOT.

I have very much enjoyed some of the conversations over the many moons, 
the
awesome character and generosity post Katrina displayed by so many, and 
some
of the great people I've conversed with and some of the most fascinating 
and

thought provoking discussions over the many months I have been here.

A few years ago, I would have probably kept my mouth shut and just gone
along.   But no more.  I have had more than enough.  I decided that I will
live, speak, and associate according to my best conscience.  It applies 
even

to my business and how I treat my customers.   My first taste of this was
when I turned down a job because it required me to violate my conscience.
I was unemployed and utterly broke.  Some thought me insane, but just days
later I had a real job, with pay dramatically exceeding the one I turned
down...and I got to live and work the highest ideals.

Seriously, folks...  It's been a fascinating ride, and I have no hostility
to any of you, though we disagree or agree or dont' even understand each
other.

I'll be easy enough to find elsewhere...  Just look for the fanaticly
devoted wireless and freedom advocate, and I'll be there.

Later, folks.





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Re: [WISPA] TRIVIA QUESTION

[JohnnyO]

Mac - call me - NOW !

337-764-5953 :)

JohnnyO


- Original Message - 
From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 10:32 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRIVIA QUESTION



Wise guy eh? Nyuk nyuk

My ankles are actually sexier than in that picture. I was recovering from 
a

broken Tibia :-)

(Pay back is tough Harnish!)

Mac







-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 9:54 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] TRIVIA QUESTION

What WISPA member is short, overweight, climbs towers, talks with an
accent,
writes with a unique flare, lost his hair, applies ointment to his tush 
on

a
regular basis and turns 45 tomorrow?  Need a hint, open the attachment.
It's a good thing his wife is a sweetheart.



Dang this is fun.



Rick Harnish

President

OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc.

260-827-2482

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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup

[JohnnyO]

Dawn - this is not a personal attack but I know that your previous WISP was 
not certified compliant, neither is about 90% of the WISPs out there, so 
what is the point of your post ?


JohnnyO

> - Original Message - 
> From: "Dawn DiPietro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 6:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup
>
>
>
>> Ty,
>>
>> I assume you are planning to use certified gear for this.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dawn DiPietro
>>
>>
>> Ty Carter  wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone out there willing to throw a helping hand to me in setting up 
>>> a
>>> MT hotspot  I have tried several times; and just can not get it 
>>> to

>>> function as I think it is prescribed to function... i.e. can't get it

to

>>> work... doa.
>>>
>>> I will be glad to call whomever for assistancePlease shoot me a
>>> contact number off-list and I will be glad to discuss this in detail.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Ty Carter, President
>>> Strategic Network Consultants, Inc.
>>> 524 East 9th Street
>>> Washington, NC  27889
>>> 252-946-0351 .::. Office
>>> 252-402-5296 .::. Cell
>>> 252-946-8763 .::. Fax
>>> E-Mail:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>
>>> Visit us on the web at:  http://www.strategicconsultants.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Interesting Call Today

[JohnnyO]

They are fishing for info - I've had 3 calls at different periods during
the past 6 months of exactly the same you've experienced.

JohnnyO
ps - they were also very interested in what area we had coverage in


On Wed, 2007-04-18 at 14:06 -0400, Rick Harnish wrote:
> One of our salespeople got a call today from AT&T that I feel I must share
> and see if others are getting similar calls.
> 
>  
> 
> The AT&T rep told our saleperson that he was looking for temporary (2 day
> service) to various locations that do not have access to cable/DSL or fiber.
> They need these connections for conference call meetings and will need our
> company to set up a wireless router at the location as well.  He needs these
> connections done in as short as a 3-4 day window.  
> 
>  
> 
> Has anyone else had similar calls?  Not sure if they are just fishing for
> information or what.  
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks,
> 
>  
> 
> Rick Harnish
> 
> President
> 
> OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc.
> 
> 260-827-2482
> 
> Founding Member of WISPA
> 
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RE: [WISPA] Wireless ISP's

[JohnnyO]

There weren't that many at the last WISPCON because of the peckerhead
who runs WISPCON 

JohnnyO

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 5:04 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Wireless ISP's

I was just wandering.  I have heard that wireless ISP's are on the
decline and most of the ones that remain are selling out or just
holding there own.  Is that true?  I heard there were not as many at
the last wispcon due to that.

Matt
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RE: [WISPA] Need Coverage Help ... PA

[JohnnyO]

Rick - it's only because you're a yankee but what half of the
customer are you wanting in this split ? 

JohnnyO

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rick Smith
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 1:49 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Cc: 'Principal WISPA Member List'
Subject: [WISPA] Need Coverage Help ... PA

Anyone cover this location and want to split a customer with me ?
 
12 Kent Road
Aston, PA 19014
 
I imagine there's a tower on-site...it's a TV station.
 
Let me know asap.
 
R
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RE: [WISPA] tower for sale in Va.

[JohnnyO]

Looks similar to Rohn65 

JohnnyO

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 12:26 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] tower for sale in Va.

http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auction/view?auctionId=1164434&convertTo=U
SD

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RE: [WISPA] Spring has sprung!

[JohnnyO]

Caused by molecular excitement - That's what she said Cliff ! :)

JohnnyO

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Cliff Leboeuf
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 11:25 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Spring has sprung!

from all of the WISPs that didn't exist
just a few years ago...


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 11:16 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Spring has sprung!

Remember... There's no such thing as global warning...

Travis Johnson wrote:

> Wow... we are having record temps here in Idaho... hit 68F yesterday
and 
> our "normal" temp for this time of year is in the mid 30's. Supposed
to 
> be 65F again today.
> 
> Travis
> Microserv
> 
> Blair Davis wrote:
> 
>> No leaves here, yet
>>
>> BUT,
>>
>> Was warm last week, got cooler this weekend...
>>
>> And this AM, it was WHITE outside again  $%#%^!
>>
>> Wish winter would get done...
>>
>> Jim Stout wrote:
>>
>>> ..and the leaves have started to absorb my 2.4 GHz signal!
>>>
>>> Good morning everyone!
>>>
>>> With the sap rising in the trees, I've started losing a lot of
signal 
>>> with some of my customers on the "other side of the tree line."  I 
>>> thought this might happen but was hopeful it wouldn't.  Wi this
said, 
>>> I am committed to adding 900 MHz gear to my portfolio,. but have
some 
>>> questions for the group.
>>>
>>> I'll be using the same tower for both 2.4 GHz and 900 MHz.  I'm 
>>> assuming antennae separation is important but how much and should 
>>> they be spaced vertically or is horizontal spacing OK?
>>>
>>> I'm planning to use an RB112 with an SR9 for the NLOS clients and 
>>> adding a second RB112 with an Xtreme Range 2 for my 2.4 customers.
I 
>>> would like to run these in bridge mode instead of having them do any

>>> routing.  Any thoughts or gotchas here?
>>>
>>> I'm assuming that my EIRP for both implementations is 36 dbw.  Is 
>>> this the case?
>>>
>>> I'm running my 2.4 gear in HPOL but am considering running the 900 
>>> gear in VPOL.  Any thoughts here?
>>>
>>> And lastly, I have read that a cavity filter is strongly recommended

>>> for the 900 MHz gear.  Any thoughts and/or suggestions here.
>>>
>>> As always, thanks in advance for the help.
>>>
>>> Regards, Jim in Kansas City
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim Stout
>>> LTO Communications, LLC
>>> 15701 Henry Andrews Dr
>>> Pleasant Hill, MO 64080
>>> (816) 305-1076 - Mobile
>>> (816) 497-0033 - Pager
>>>   
>>
>>

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RE: [WISPA] LMR600, LMR900, Heliax

[JohnnyO]

In an earlier post - Ralph stated "1 cubic yard of cement
60 ft high.   1 vertical antenna
No guys. Even stronger with a house bracket.
I've put up many like this."

This is the same guy that is wanting to give us "radio" lessons I
certainly wouldn't hire him for any tower installs, due to the fact that
he is doing unsafe construction methods on towers...

Regards,

JohnnyO

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ralph
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 5:47 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] LMR600, LMR900, Heliax

If EVERYONE is misled, then EVERYONE needs a lesson in radio- especially
you
Jonny-O. My "BS" as you call it comes from over 30 years in 2 way and
data
radio and over 10 years in RF Engineering. But before you tell folks to
leave radios on the ground, you'd better check your sources again. 

I'd love some of your $1.50 per foot 7/8" Heliax.
7/8" Heliax was  $3.00 per foot 25 YEARS AGO!
Back then, 1/2" Heliax was about $1.80  per ft.

I'm surprised that the price hasn't changed that much since then, but
I'll
bet there's not as much copper in it. I know the center conductor is
copper
clad aluminum now.

Maybe your $1.50 7/8" Heliax was the piece that got water in it and was
discarded by the radio shop.

For 900 MHz, 1/2" would possibly *adequate* but I would not recommend it
at
all. For 2.4 GHz, you might consider 7/8", but for 5.8, better forget
anything less then 1 5/8", but most real users use waveguide.

Heck- even XM Radio uses elliptical waveguide at their frequency of
about
2.3 GHz for their terrestrial transmitters- and they have 100 watt power
levels! I can send you a picture right now!

Putting the radios at the antennas saves vast amounts of costs in feed
line.
Your tower owners are happier, and your rent might be cheaper.  I know
that
we charge the other WISPs we rent space to much less because they use
CAT5.

The best use of $ for RF is to use antenna gain.  You have nearly wasted
that if you long feed lines of improper sizing.

As far as justifying my statements- I don't really need to. Anyone can
do
the calculations, taking feed line and connector loss and subtracting it
from antenna gain and radio power.  The procedures and the numbers are
there
and speak for themselves.

Andrew makes a spiffy calculator for this purpose and it is available,
free,
at http://www.andrew.com/downloads/ilcalc/default.aspx


All of the following figures include a pair of Andrew N type male 
connectors.


A 100 foot long piece of Andrew LDF4-50A (1/2") at 2450 MHz has a loss
of
3.64 dB. That's over half of your power wasted.   List price (cable
only) is
$1.56 per foot.  The connectors are $20.00 - 45.00 each depending on
material.

A 100 foot long piece of Andrew LDF5-50A (7/8") at 2450 MHz has a loss
of
2.1   List price (cable only) is $3.58 per foot. The connectors are
$34.82
each

A 100 foot long piece of Andrew LDF7-50A (1 5/8") at 2450 MHz has a loss
of
1.28 dB  List price (cable only) is $9.33 per foot.  This cable is very
heavy so figure in a lot of freight as well.  The connectors are $153.22
each

Now if you would like to use a very efficient feed line, you can use
EW20-25
Elliptical waveguide, which is technically the correct cable for
microwave
frequencies like these.  It will cost you $33.40 per foot.  The
connectors
are only about $1570.00 each, but you will have onlt  .45 dB of loss in
100
feet!


Remember that these numbers are only for 2450 MHz.  5.2 and 5.8 loss is
higher, but waveguide for that frequency is lots smaller and lighter and
has
only 1.35dB loss at 5200MHz.  $23.5 per foot and only $500.00 per
connector.


I'm not going to justify my statements on amplifiers either. You can
(and
should) read Part 15 for yourself.  Go try to get Teletronics to give
you an
FCC waiver, or go ask your AP manufacturer, assuming they are even
building
certified equipment.

The problem I see with many of today's WISPs is that they are making up
their own rules to suit themselves.   Recently I saw a WISP post a
recommendation to another WISP to set up a device to intentionally
interfere
with Wal-Mart's 900 MHz RFID systems. 

Nothing I say can stop or even sway any of you- that will have to come
from
someone with that kind of clout.  Maybe a competitor who follows the
rules
will come into your market, or maybe you'll cause a problem with
something
licensed and you'll have a white Ford Explorer with a government tag and
antennas hidden in the headliner pull up at your tower- but why would it
even have to come to that.

WISPS are taking technology that was designed for in-building LANS and
doing
remarkable things with it. A few years ago it was a pipe-dream to be
able to
do this stuff. Now we do it with off the shelf devices and do a damn
good
job.

Let's just make

RE: [WISPA] LMR600, LMR900, Heliax

[JohnnyO]

Ralph - for someone who has 30yrs of Experience in RF and 10yrs of "RF
Engineering" you sure don't know much do you other then how to toot your
own horn?

Please give us ALL a lesson in "radio"

Please give me the calculations of 150ft of LDF4-50A using a 250mw
amplifier with a 17db RX gain.. and then compare this to a 250mw
radio at the top of a tower (which by the way will exceed EIRP limits if
going into an Omni)

Your original posts to the group were and are misleading by saying that
using heliax or LMR600 to go up to an antenna is the "wrong" way to do
things. Therefore I call it B *cough cough* S

JohnnyO




-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ralph
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 5:47 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] LMR600, LMR900, Heliax

If EVERYONE is misled, then EVERYONE needs a lesson in radio- especially
you
Jonny-O. My "BS" as you call it comes from over 30 years in 2 way and
data
radio and over 10 years in RF Engineering. But before you tell folks to
leave radios on the ground, you'd better check your sources again. 

I'd love some of your $1.50 per foot 7/8" Heliax.
7/8" Heliax was  $3.00 per foot 25 YEARS AGO!
Back then, 1/2" Heliax was about $1.80  per ft.

I'm surprised that the price hasn't changed that much since then, but
I'll
bet there's not as much copper in it. I know the center conductor is
copper
clad aluminum now.

Maybe your $1.50 7/8" Heliax was the piece that got water in it and was
discarded by the radio shop.

For 900 MHz, 1/2" would possibly *adequate* but I would not recommend it
at
all. For 2.4 GHz, you might consider 7/8", but for 5.8, better forget
anything less then 1 5/8", but most real users use waveguide.

Heck- even XM Radio uses elliptical waveguide at their frequency of
about
2.3 GHz for their terrestrial transmitters- and they have 100 watt power
levels! I can send you a picture right now!

Putting the radios at the antennas saves vast amounts of costs in feed
line.
Your tower owners are happier, and your rent might be cheaper.  I know
that
we charge the other WISPs we rent space to much less because they use
CAT5.

The best use of $ for RF is to use antenna gain.  You have nearly wasted
that if you long feed lines of improper sizing.

As far as justifying my statements- I don't really need to. Anyone can
do
the calculations, taking feed line and connector loss and subtracting it
from antenna gain and radio power.  The procedures and the numbers are
there
and speak for themselves.

Andrew makes a spiffy calculator for this purpose and it is available,
free,
at http://www.andrew.com/downloads/ilcalc/default.aspx


All of the following figures include a pair of Andrew N type male 
connectors.


A 100 foot long piece of Andrew LDF4-50A (1/2") at 2450 MHz has a loss
of
3.64 dB. That's over half of your power wasted.   List price (cable
only) is
$1.56 per foot.  The connectors are $20.00 - 45.00 each depending on
material.

A 100 foot long piece of Andrew LDF5-50A (7/8") at 2450 MHz has a loss
of
2.1   List price (cable only) is $3.58 per foot. The connectors are
$34.82
each

A 100 foot long piece of Andrew LDF7-50A (1 5/8") at 2450 MHz has a loss
of
1.28 dB  List price (cable only) is $9.33 per foot.  This cable is very
heavy so figure in a lot of freight as well.  The connectors are $153.22
each

Now if you would like to use a very efficient feed line, you can use
EW20-25
Elliptical waveguide, which is technically the correct cable for
microwave
frequencies like these.  It will cost you $33.40 per foot.  The
connectors
are only about $1570.00 each, but you will have onlt  .45 dB of loss in
100
feet!


Remember that these numbers are only for 2450 MHz.  5.2 and 5.8 loss is
higher, but waveguide for that frequency is lots smaller and lighter and
has
only 1.35dB loss at 5200MHz.  $23.5 per foot and only $500.00 per
connector.


I'm not going to justify my statements on amplifiers either. You can
(and
should) read Part 15 for yourself.  Go try to get Teletronics to give
you an
FCC waiver, or go ask your AP manufacturer, assuming they are even
building
certified equipment.

The problem I see with many of today's WISPs is that they are making up
their own rules to suit themselves.   Recently I saw a WISP post a
recommendation to another WISP to set up a device to intentionally
interfere
with Wal-Mart's 900 MHz RFID systems. 

Nothing I say can stop or even sway any of you- that will have to come
from
someone with that kind of clout.  Maybe a competitor who follows the
rules
will come into your market, or maybe you'll cause a problem with
something
licensed and you'll have a white Ford Explorer with a government tag and
antennas hidden in the headliner pull up at your tower- but why would it
even have to come to that

RE: [WISPA] LMR600, LMR900, Heliax

[JohnnyO]

The damn Yankee Bob M uses heliax and 5.8ghz all the time...

JohnnyO

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of George Rogato
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 10:56 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] LMR600, LMR900, Heliax

What about 5 gig
Are you doing long runs and amps at 5gig?


Blair Davis wrote:
> We use both methods, depending on how hard the location is to
climb
> 
> For locations that are easy to climb, we put the radio at the top.  
> We've made our radios easy to feild swap on the tower. Four nuts, one 
> N-connector and an outdoor cat5.  This swaps everything except the 
> antenna and coax.  Static protection, grounding, electronics all swap 
> out as a unit.
> 
> For locations that are hard to climb, I use radio at bottom, amp and 
> antenna at top.  Started out using HyperLink amps, now use RF Linx.  
> Over 7 years, I've had 2 amps fail, and 1 antenna and amp destroyed by
a 
> direct strike.  In the direct strike, the amp saved the coax down the 
> tower and all the radio gear below...
> 
> And RF Linx replaced the amp under warranty.
> 
> There is room for both methods and a wise engineer picks the
appropriate 
> one for the location.
> 
> JohnnyO wrote:
>> Jeez Ralph - your post is misleading to EVERYONE that is reading
this.
>>
>> Do you know what loss per 100ft is on 7/8inch heliax on 2.4ghz which
can
>> be had for $1.50/ft  What is your loss at 900mhz on 7/8thinch
heliax
>> ? How about lost per 100ft at 5.8ghz on 1 1/4inch heliax ?
>>
>> Scott - here is the following specs for your loss you'll expect... By
>> all means - if you can afford to leave your radios at the bottom of
the
>> tower - DO SO ! and ignore posts like Ralphs which are nothing but
>> BS
>>
>> Loss on 7/8th Heliax per 100ft
>>
>> 2.4ghz = 2dB
>> 900mhz = 1.1dB
>>
>> Loss on 1 1/4 Heliax per 100ft
>> 5.8ghz = 2.2dB loss
>> 2.4ghz = 1.5dB loss
>> 900mhz = .8dB loss
>>
>> You'll need to add .5dB of loss per connector.
>>
>> Putting your radios at the bottom and using some 250mw Teletronics
AMPS
>> will give you a much better system then if you were to leave your
radios
>> at the top because your AP will also see a 17dB gain on the receive
>> side.
>>
>> You will not be creating "noise, interference" if you use the proper
AMP
>> !
>> Scott - contact me offlist if you need some help deciding what cable
/
>> amp combos to go with.
>>
>> The nice thing about running cable up your towers is - once you
>> weatherproof your antenna and install the proper grounding straps
along
>> the run, you will more then likely never have to climb that tower
again
>> !
>> Ralph - please enlighten us with the reasons you've stated EVERYTHING
>> you did Opinions are one thing, but false information is
completely
>> different and the only reason JohnnyO decided to take on this mule
>> headed post :)
>>
>> JohnnyO
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
>> Behalf Of Ralph
>> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 8:38 AM
>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>> Subject: RE: [WISPA] LMR600, LMR900, Heliax
>>
>> You can buy them at Tessco, I'm pretty sure.   Stick with Heliax (r)
>> type
>> cables (hard line) for those distances, and use 1 5/8 minimum. The
loss
>> is
>> amazing at anything above 450 MHz.  Look at any cell tower and you
will
>> see
>> what you need to use, then count on twice the loss if you use 2.4 or
>> many
>> more times that at 5.2 or 5.8  Look at a price range of tens of $ a
>> foot,
>> once installed properly.
>>
>> This brings you to the next obvious issue.  Now for the lesson in
RADIO.
>>
>> You have degraded your system so much by adding loss, you can figure
>> that
>> your antenna just magically became 0 dB gain instead of what it was.
>> You
>> may even totally offset the antenna gain and be upside down (as they
say
>> at
>> the car dealer down the street).
>>
>> So go buy the best antenna you can, with the most gain possible.  Of
>> course
>> now that moves us to the next step.  Can't get a high gain antenna
>> because
>> now the tower company wants more rent, or the wind load is too high,
or
>> the
>> pattern is too narrow.
>>
>> On to the next step-  More APs so you can cover the areas that your
new
>> high-gain antennas leave out.  Then, more hard line, then more $$$
etc.
>>
>>

RE: [WISPA] LMR600, LMR900, Heliax

[JohnnyO]

Jeez Ralph - your post is misleading to EVERYONE that is reading this.

Do you know what loss per 100ft is on 7/8inch heliax on 2.4ghz which can
be had for $1.50/ft  What is your loss at 900mhz on 7/8thinch heliax
? How about lost per 100ft at 5.8ghz on 1 1/4inch heliax ?

Scott - here is the following specs for your loss you'll expect... By
all means - if you can afford to leave your radios at the bottom of the
tower - DO SO ! and ignore posts like Ralphs which are nothing but
BS

Loss on 7/8th Heliax per 100ft

2.4ghz = 2dB
900mhz = 1.1dB

Loss on 1 1/4 Heliax per 100ft 

5.8ghz = 2.2dB loss
2.4ghz = 1.5dB loss
900mhz = .8dB loss

You'll need to add .5dB of loss per connector.

Putting your radios at the bottom and using some 250mw Teletronics AMPS
will give you a much better system then if you were to leave your radios
at the top because your AP will also see a 17dB gain on the receive
side.

You will not be creating "noise, interference" if you use the proper AMP
! 

Scott - contact me offlist if you need some help deciding what cable /
amp combos to go with.

The nice thing about running cable up your towers is - once you
weatherproof your antenna and install the proper grounding straps along
the run, you will more then likely never have to climb that tower again
! 

Ralph - please enlighten us with the reasons you've stated EVERYTHING
you did Opinions are one thing, but false information is completely
different and the only reason JohnnyO decided to take on this mule
headed post :)

JohnnyO


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ralph
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 8:38 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] LMR600, LMR900, Heliax

You can buy them at Tessco, I'm pretty sure.   Stick with Heliax (r)
type
cables (hard line) for those distances, and use 1 5/8 minimum. The loss
is
amazing at anything above 450 MHz.  Look at any cell tower and you will
see
what you need to use, then count on twice the loss if you use 2.4 or
many
more times that at 5.2 or 5.8  Look at a price range of tens of $ a
foot,
once installed properly.

This brings you to the next obvious issue.  Now for the lesson in RADIO.

You have degraded your system so much by adding loss, you can figure
that
your antenna just magically became 0 dB gain instead of what it was.
You
may even totally offset the antenna gain and be upside down (as they say
at
the car dealer down the street).

So go buy the best antenna you can, with the most gain possible.  Of
course
now that moves us to the next step.  Can't get a high gain antenna
because
now the tower company wants more rent, or the wind load is too high, or
the
pattern is too narrow.

On to the next step-  More APs so you can cover the areas that your new
high-gain antennas leave out.  Then, more hard line, then more $$$ etc.

Or you can take the illegal, easy way out. Buy Amp.   Create noise,
Violate
Part 15 and your radio's certification. Leave yourself open for a fine.

Sounds to me that you are better off doing what most discovered the hard
way:  Leave the radios up top, do a great installation job,
weatherproof,
lightning protect, and enjoy the power you paid so dearly per milliwatt
for
in the first place!


Ralph

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 6:05 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] LMR600, LMR900, Heliax

Who supplies pre-terminated (N connectors) cables in the 70 to 150' 
range using LMR 600, LMR900 and/or Heliax?  Looking to move radios to 
the bottom of towers.

-- 
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Owner
NewWays
Wireless Networking
Network Design, Installation and Administration
www.nwwnet.net

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RE: [WISPA] Moisture Ingress

[JohnnyO]

Super33 or Super88 - Mastic - Super33 or Super88 

This is how it should be done - this is how carriers do it, this is how
old time ham operators do it Period ! 

Try to re-invent the wheel is asking for trouble 

Tape from the bottom to the top to form "shingles"

JohnnyO

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 11:23 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Moisture Ingress

I'm going to have to argue with you guys

The purpose of the Mastic tape is that it creates a bond that fills the 
nooks and cranties of the item that you are waterproofing. So that if
the 
Super88 leaks, it can't get to the connector.
The two biggest places water gets into the connection is the two ends
where 
the taping ends, NOT just condensing through the material. If you use
Super 
88 on the inside layer, you are creating a CONDUIT for moisture to pass 
through, IF water enters in through one of the two ends (far edges of 
taping). It is VERY difficult to get a complete seal where the tape
toughes 
the Antenna and the end of the connector, reason being the antenna
surface 
is perpendicular to the connector you are wrapping.  Doing it the way
you 
are suggesting is definately easy to remove the tape, but it leaves the 
connector vulnerable to a poor seal at the edges, if that occurs.  I'd
argue 
that doing it that way, is taking away the benefit of why you use Mastic

tape in the first place. Super88 is meant primarilly just for UV
resilient.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

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RE: [WISPA] Moisture Ingress

[JohnnyO]

I taught Rick this after he learned the hard way ! ;)

CampWTF for life ! 

JohnnyO

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 10:43 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Moisture Ingress

Thanks Rick. I will pass this along to our techs so they can start 
implementing this. I know they seal the heck out of things and it is 
really bizarre to me how any water is getting in there but it is. If 
they have questions about your process they may be  contacting you
directly.
Many thanks,
Scriv


Rick Smith wrote:

>Scotch Super 33 tape over the connectors, right close as you can get to
the
>antenna, all the way down the lmr past where the "rubber joint" is -
then
>mastic over that - then 33 again over the mastic.
>
>This is called a courtesy wrap, cause if you ever have to open it back
up,
>you slice down to the tape inside, and it peels right off quickly
without
>fighting the mastic.
>
>Since I started doin this, I've NEVER had a moisture problem.
>
>Also, wrap it when it's dry outside so you don't lock humidity into
it...
>temperature changes will then just wreak havoc on you.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>Behalf Of John Scrivner
>Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 10:29 AM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: [WISPA] Moisture Ingress
>
>I would like a bit of feedback from those of you who have been
installing
>outdoor antennas for a while. I have a problem that I would like to see
>fixed. It seems that after every long rain we see problems with the
>occasional connection outside at the antenna getting water into it. We
use
>the Scotch seal mastic tape to seal the connections. The guys do not
like
>having to climb and they work hard to try to make sure we do not get
these
>problems and yet they come back. I would like to hear what you veterans
out
>there are doing to make sure the water stays out.
>Thanks,
>Scriv
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RE: [WISPA] Radio mounting ideas...

[JohnnyO]

Blair - what type of base are you using for 50ft of un-guy'd Rohn25 ?

JohnnyO

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Blair Davis
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 4:21 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio mounting ideas...

We are using Rohn 25G equivalent towers bracketed to the building.

More expensive I'd guess, but wind load here is pretty high  And no 
guy wires...



Mark McElvy wrote:
> I am in an area with lots of trees and hills, south central Missouri.
> Average tree height is about 50ft Oaks with ground elevation changes
of
> 20-50 ft. There are many installs where I need to get 50ft above the
> ground to get a signal. I have discovered that my source of masts has
> dried up. I used to be able to get 30 and 50 foot masts through my
local
> Lowes but ChannelMaster has a very big backorder list. Are there
others
> in my situation and what are you doing?
>
>  
>
> Mark McElvy
> AccuBak Data Systems, Inc.
>
>
>
>  
>
>   

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