Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

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i RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

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Administration www.nwwnet.net -- Original Message --- From: Travis Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: WISPA General List Sent: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 11:07:07 -0700 Subject: Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge > Hi, > > The water at

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t; Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge A modern marketing mistake created this mess. A company started to sell a product that it was incapable of delivering: unlimited network access. Other companies followed suit and

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Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "George" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 7:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge Tom DeReggi wrote: TV

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General List" Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 8:49 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge On Mon, 7 Nov 2005, Charles Wu wrote: Electricity, Gas and Water are billed on a usage basis Competitive market pressures aside, why should Internet be a

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On Thu, 10 Nov 2005, Ray & Jean wrote: >electricity.. So a candle, shooting a rabbit, ugh!.. but they are 2 >deer about 25 feet from my kitchen window. Guess I could shoot one >of them. :-) >I maybe missing everyone's point.. but people will pay for what >they get.. As long as you give them wh

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e: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband > Challenge > > Well, as far what is necessary and what is not... Being a > woman.. I'm watching and taking care of 2 networks in 2 > different cities 70 miles apart... using the internet and > phone.. Landline. Washi

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they want.. without too much Hassel.. My 2cents worth! Jean - Original Message - From: "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge On

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Evans Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 10:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge On Thu, 10 Nov 2005, George wrote: >Ok Butch. Lets take a test. Go to your office and your home and unplug >all your landlines and turn off all the cell

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On Thu, 10 Nov 2005, George wrote: >Ok Butch. Lets take a test. Go to your office and your home and >unplug all your landlines and turn off all the cell phones for 1 >week and lets see what happens. OUCH! I am cold and hungry. Turning pale. My hair is falling out (prolly not related. :-) ). A

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Ok Butch. Lets take a test. Go to your office and your home and unplug all your landlines and turn off all the cell phones for 1 week and lets see what happens. George Butch Evans wrote: On Wed, 9 Nov 2005, George wrote: The phone absolutely has saved lives. And people surely died that

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True, they are too separate points but are related in that it will take both commodity status and total necessity before it can be treated as such. On 11/9/05, Butch Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 9 Nov 2005, RickG wrote: > > >I agree with George. Internet access is practically a neces

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on down to $19.95 a > > month. They keep the va;lue high at $20,000 a year. They don't lower > > the value, they jsut expect the country to foot the bill. If the > > governement thinks Broadband is so important for EVERYONE, even if > > everyone can;'t afford it

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On Wed, 9 Nov 2005, George wrote: >The phone absolutely has saved lives. > >And people surely died that didn't get to one fast enough or could >find one. I think you are missing the point, George. In the right situation, you could save a life with a roll of scotch tape. That does not mean that

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On Wed, 9 Nov 2005, Tom DeReggi wrote: MAN...where do you find the time to write so much. :-) >TV, Phone, Internet on the other hand are luxeries, things that >people rely on, but would survive if they did without. I've never You stated very eloquently what I was trying to say. Thanks. >seen

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On Wed, 9 Nov 2005, RickG wrote: >I agree with George. Internet access is practically a necessity >now, especially for businesses. It wont be much longer and >broadband will be expected in order to do any kind of business. It >may not be for survival of your life, but certainly it will hurt >you f

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On Wed, 9 Nov 2005, Charles Wu wrote: > >For example, electricity, gas and water are items that are needed for basic >survival in the city. Granted, these services have not always been >available, but it is expected by all Americans that if they move somewhere, >they can get those services. Most

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Actually the internet is likes roads and education. Without it, you are at a definite economic disadvantage. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

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Tom DeReggi wrote: TV, Phone, Internet on the other hand are luxeries, things that people rely on, but would survive if they did without. I've never seen someone die from TV/Phone/Internet with drawal, although you never know it could happen. Tom. You should rethink what you just said abo

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uot;Charles Wu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 5:30 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge For example, electricity, gas and water are items that are needed for basic survival in th

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eck! Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Charles Wu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005

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I agree with George. Internet access is practically a necessity now, especially for businesses. It wont be much longer and broadband will be expected in order to do any kind of business. It may not be for survival of your life, but certainly it will hurt you financially. On 11/9/05, Charles Wu <[E

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For example, electricity, gas and water are items that are needed for basic survival in the city. Granted, these services have not always been available, but it is expected by all Americans that if they move somewhere, they can get those services. Most people would not survive without these serv

RE: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

On Mon, 7 Nov 2005, Charles Wu wrote: >Electricity, Gas and Water are billed on a usage basis > >Competitive market pressures aside, why should Internet be any >different? Charles, I don't often find myself in total disagreement with your statements. I am on this point, however. Well, maybe not

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-Charles > > --- > CWLab > Technology Architects > http://www.cwlab.com > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of John Scrivner > Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 4:00

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M To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge Scriv Charles Wu wrote: >Electricity, Gas and Water are billed on a usage basis > >Competitive market pressures aside, why should Internet be any >different? > >-Charles > >--

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In a way, we are all billing by the bit/byte. The "hard" limit is the amount of bandwidth that someone can transfer on the network if they run their connection full blast all of the time. The second limit is the cap on amount of bandwidth included in a plan - i.e. 10Gig/month of transfer.

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-Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network

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The elecric company doesn't care what you do with their electricity... The gas company doesn't care what you do with their gas... The water company doesn't care what you do with your water... Why should the ISP care what you do with your connection, as long as it doesn't affect their network?

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The worst thing that an ISP or WISP can do is to support these things. The reason, is that if providers create the perception that this can happen and can be controlled, (networks to be open for what ever legal purpose), than there is absolutely no reason that the government should not keep supp

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge I can see it now. We will soon be charging for termination and origination of IP traffic on networks. Just like long

Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

A modern marketing mistake created this mess. A company started to sell a product that it was incapable of delivering: unlimited network access. Other companies followed suit and assumed that they would never be compelled to make good on their promise. Now, instead of admitting that they were wr

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John Scrivner wrote: I can see it now. We will soon be charging for termination and origination of IP traffic on networks. Just like long distance phone calls used to be. Yaykill me now. Scriv That's the model the RBOCs are comfortable with - since it makes them billions. REgards, Pe

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LOL Frank! Give'em their eggs over hard cause they'll never take it the easy way! I agree with your sediments! On 11/7/05, Frank Muto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just passing on some information that may be of interest to anyone. > Entitlement vs. laws, and a company's TOS/AUP I'm sure are all in

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MAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge I can see it now. We will soon be charging for termination and origination of IP traff

RE: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge I can see it now. We will soon be charging for termination and origination of IP traffic on networks. Just like long

Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

I can see it now. We will soon be charging for termination and origination of IP traffic on networks. Just like long distance phone calls used to be. Yaykill me now. Scriv Frank Muto wrote: Just passing on some information that may be of interest to anyone. Entitlement vs. laws, and a co

Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

Couple of thoughts on this. Seeing they are moving to fee based non profit rather than a community group that is being financed by themselves and their node hosts, Fine, let the them go to the school of hard nocks and figure out why our subs are not allowed to run servers on the network without

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Just passing on some information that may be of interest to anyone. Entitlement vs. laws, and a company's TOS/AUP I'm sure are all involved in one form or another, as with anything else concerning the use of a network to access the Internet or other service. As far as I am concerned, this whole In

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Frank, I have a problem with the second item listed on the challenge myself. It states: 2) Consumers are entitled to run applications and services of their choice, subject to the needs of law enforcement ; I do not allow my broadband subscribe