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Thanks Greg, just taking a look at WebGUI, looks really good.
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I would avoid CMSMadeSimple
It's not a bad CMS but _everything_ is after-market
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There are about 65 so far.
The user has been deleted and we are working on the issue.
Apologies to all.
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- A fade effect between the rotating images.- A fall back so users without _javascript_ will still get a single image.- Image rotation every 5 sec's
Mr. Paul ..
0. I do not believe that this is any sort of" a wish list " ..instead, we ought to be discussing the web standards and the points why
I would avoid CMSMadeSimple
It's not a bad CMS but _everything_ is after-market and it is very difficult
to maintain as standards compliant.
I use WebGUI (www.webgui.org) right now for CMS work. It maintains
compliance quite well - although its server requirements are a bit higher.
Greg Hacke
Thanks Greg, just taking a look at WebGUI, looks really good.
On 11/07/07, Greg Hacke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would avoid CMSMadeSimple
It's not a bad CMS but _everything_ is after-market and it is very difficult
to maintain as standards compliant.
I use WebGUI (www.webgui.org) right now
Hi.
yes, i know how to do html, css, javascript, and use notepad, but had to use
dream weaver for one subjects, which was to improve a site, and have a
flashy macromedia flash splash page, which i got a distinction for that,
importing a flash control, a audio track, and putting together images
Is this the Web Standards Group or the We Spam Group?
Christopher Skene
E-Business Officer
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Land Water Australia
knowledge for managing Australian landscapes
Land Water Australia graphic
Level 1, 86 Northbourne Ave, Braddon ACT
GPO Box 2182, Canberra ACT 2601
phone +61
On Jul 11, 2007, at 8:46 PM, wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote:
Due to an upgrade of SmarterMail, digests seem to have had a problem.
We are working on it.
Question on digests... any sign of a light at the end of the tunnel?
-- Marc
I m sorry !!I m learngin,I new thanks God bless you!!
2007/7/8, James Jeffery [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Microformats are about creating standards, standards for software vendors
and web developers.
In the future, with the use of powerful web technologies search engines
and
such will be able to
Hi all,
My apologies. I was just re-reading my own posts to this site and had
forgotten that I had already asked this question, at least in part.
I would still appreciate knowing how others would handle this situation.
Regards,
On 7/9/07, Kevin Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all,
I
Diego La Monica wrote:
What about address/address element?
The address element is a perfect candidate to be marked up using hCard.
Twitter uses the address element in conjunction with hCard to specify
the author of the page, e.g. my own twitter page contains:
address
ul class=about vcard
Hi!
Serdar Kilic schrieb:
The address element is a perfect candidate to be marked up using hCard.
address
ul class=about vcard entry-author
liName: span class=fnSerdar Kiliç/span/li
liLocation: span class=adrSydney/span/li
liWeb: a href=http://weblog.kilic.net; class=url
Martin Heiden wrote:
Hi!
Serdar Kilic schrieb:
The address element is a perfect candidate to be marked up using hCard.
address
ul class=about vcard entry-author
liName: span class=fnSerdar Kiliç/span/li
liLocation: span class=adrSydney/span/li
liWeb: a
Microformats are about creating standards, standards for software vendors
and web developers.
In the future, with the use of powerful web technologies search engines and
such will be able to aggrigate results from class name, software will be
able to collect information from them aswell.
Its
Thierry Koblentz wrote:
[big snip]
If you're willing to go with that many elements, why not using microformats?
http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard
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Perhaps I'm being dumb here, but I've looked at Microformats (briefly)
and I can't see the
Hi, I'm new about WSG Mailing List, but i'm thinking that this conversation
is really interesting.
What about address/address element?
D.
On 07/07/07, Designer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thierry Koblentz wrote:
[big snip]
If you're willing to go with that many elements, why not using
Diego La Monica wrote:
Hi, I'm new about WSG Mailing List, but i'm thinking that this
conversation is really interesting.
What about address/address element?
To quote W3C
The ADDRESS element specifies such information as address, signature and
authorship for the current document, and
Perhaps I'm being dumb here, but I've looked at Microformats (briefly)
and I can't see the advantage over what any decent webby would knock up
on his own. The hcard example makes every line a div and just seems,
frankly, daft.
So what's it all about?
What microformats do is create a
On Behalf Of Designer
Perhaps I'm being dumb here, but I've looked at Microformats (briefly)
and I can't see the advantage over what any decent webby would knock up
on his own. The hcard example makes every line a div and just seems,
frankly, daft.
So what's it all about?
Web designers
Designer wrote:
The hcard example makes every line a div and just seems,
frankly, daft.
But you don't have to use divs, (nearly) any element will do, the key is
mostly the class names. Maybe having a look at some of the 'examples in
the wild' will be more instructive:
On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 18:57:27 +0100, Designer wrote:
Perhaps I'm being dumb here, but I've looked at Microformats
(briefly) and I can't see the advantage over what any decent webby
would knock up on his own. The hcard example makes every line a div
and just seems, frankly, daft.
Here's an
Hey all,
I picked-up this book off of Amazon a few weeks back... it does a great
job of explaining MF's... For those wanting to learn more, I suggest
thumbing through it at your local bookstore:
Microformats: Empowering Your Markup for Web 2.0 (Paperback)
http://tinyurl.com/2b946q
Great
Kindly enumerate to us what meta tags must be retained and what tags that we
can do without. This I presume is based on the current standards. Thanks.
:-)
jojo
www.pwag.org
www.mccid.edu.ph
On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 09:35:28 1000, wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote:
From:
Flash: (google video, youtube, yahoo video, revver, dailymotion, etc etc)
http://www.digital-web.com/articles/the_rise_of_flash_video_part_1/
http://www.digital-web.com/articles/the_rise_of_flash_video_part_2/
http://www.digital-web.com/articles/the_rise_of_flash_video_part_3/
Yes, you can get
Flash all the way im afraid.
2c
Karl
On 7/4/07, Paul Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Flash: (google video, youtube, yahoo video, revver, dailymotion, etc etc)
http://www.digital-web.com/articles/the_rise_of_flash_video_part_1/
http://www.digital-web.com/articles/the_rise_of_flash_video_part_2/
Karl Lurman wrote:
Flash all the way im afraid.
2c
Karl
On 7/4/07, Paul Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Flash: (google video, youtube, yahoo video, revver, dailymotion, etc etc)
http://www.digital-web.com/articles/the_rise_of_flash_video_part_1/
Olajide
I’ve had a quick look at your code and noticed this line: div
align=center above the table... tag. Maybe this is the cause of the
problem?
Jane Trimmer
Senior Website Developer
SugarCat Publishing
www.sugarcat.co.uk
From:
On 5 Jun 2007, at 19:22, Paul Novitski wrote:
The FIELDSET definition could easily have included:
(INPUT|SELECT|TEXTAREA|BUTTON)+
or:
(%formctrl)+
But it doesn't.
And if it did then the fieldset couldn't contain elements that add
extra semantic information about the form
At 6/6/2007 01:13 AM, David Dorward wrote:
On 5 Jun 2007, at 19:22, Paul Novitski wrote:
The FIELDSET definition could easily have included:
(INPUT|SELECT|TEXTAREA|BUTTON)+
or:
(%formctrl)+
But it doesn't.
And if it did then the fieldset couldn't contain elements that add
Paul Novitski schreef:
documents be written according to the prose of the specification and
not just the machine readable components of it.
The DTD almost always errs towards the liberal, it is expected that
That's a very interesting assertion and gets right to the heart of
many of the
.
Cheers
Jackie
- Original Message -
From: Ben Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Re: Use of Fieldsets other than in form?
Can fieldsets only to be used in forms or can they be used to group any
sort
On 5 Jun 2007, at 3:34 PM, Jackie Reid wrote:
The fact the validator passed it also seemed to me to say that it
could be used in this way. If fieldset can't be used this way why
does it pass validation?
Forgot this point: valid doesn't mean correct, or sensible. It's really
easy to write
Lucien Stals
For a comparison, the w3schools site defines fieldset as The fieldset
element draws a box around its containing elements. And that's the
complete sentence. Note no mention of form controls.
I leave it to others to debate the authority of the w3schools
site, and
it's a
On 5 Jun 2007, at 6:13 PM, Patrick Lauke wrote:
No need to debate it...w3schools is a cr*ppy resource, full stop.
That's an opinion, which of course you're entitled to (happens that I
agree with you) - but I couldn't resist taking a look. And right there
on their Home page:
W3Schools
June, 2007 10:06 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] Re: Use of Fieldsets other than in form?
Nick Gleitzman
Forgot this point: valid doesn't mean correct, or sensible.
It's really
easy to write code that validates, but which is semantic rubbish. The
Validator is a great
On 5 Jun 2007, at 04:19:38, Lucien Stals wrote:
I in fact did quote the entire sentence.
Yes, but you then dismissed the words controls and labels as being
irrelevant.
For a comparison, the w3schools site defines fieldset as The fieldset
element draws a box around its containing
Nick Fitzsimons wrote:
But there's then little point in communicating this fact to a list about
Web Stanbdards, as you are clearly advocating something which is in
breach of said standards.
Steady on, Nick. If he wasn't here you wouldn't be able to tell him this
- it's exactly the right
On 5 Jun 2007, at 14:57:44, Barney Carroll wrote:
Nick Fitzsimons wrote:
But there's then little point in communicating this fact to a list
about Web Stanbdards, as you are clearly advocating something
which is in breach of said standards.
Steady on, Nick. If he wasn't here you wouldn't
Barney Carroll wrote:
...a deceased squirrel foetus
Wow. What an image.
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Nick Gleitzman wrote:
Barney Carroll wrote:
...a deceased squirrel foetus
Wow. What an image.
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I wondered if you kept one on hand, in your office, for purposes of
validation?
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Kick the auto responder on that persons email or ban them, it's becoming
annoying now!
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Designer
Sent: 05 June 2007 19:08
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Re: Use of Fieldsets other than
Designer wrote:
Nick Gleitzman wrote:
Barney Carroll wrote:
...a deceased squirrel foetus
Wow. What an image.
N
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I wondered if you kept one on hand, in your office, for purposes of
validation?
I use it mostly for accessibility tests.
The fur gets a bit
C'mon guys, we all know what the proper use of a Fieldset is.
Does anyone feel that this is going on forever?
So can we use it to group textual information?
Of course we can. We can drive with our feet if we wanted to, doesn't mean
its a good idea.
] On
Behalf Of Jackie Reid
Sent: 05 June 2007 06:35
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Re: Use of Fieldsets other than in form?
Hi all respondees
Ben Said
...it depends if you're talking about page layout or actual content -
ie. is your business name, logo etc being used
The FIELDSET element allows authors to group thematically related
controls and labels. Grouping controls makes it easier for users to
understand their purpose while simultaneously facilitating tabbing
navigation for visual user agents and speech navigation for
speech-oriented user agents. The
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ben Buchanan
Sent: 06 June 2007 02:28
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Re: Use of Fieldsets other than in form?
The FIELDSET element allows authors to group thematically related
controls
Yes, I feel that way.
It's like beating a dead...squirrel...
Ely Solano wrote:
C'mon guys, we all know what the proper use of a Fieldset is.
Does anyone feel that this is going on forever?
So can we use it to group textual information?
Of course we can. We can drive with our feet if we wanted
Quick question for you lot.
Can fieldsets only to be used in forms or can they be used to group any sort of
related information together (ie: business name, short description, logo and
link).
thanks
Jackie
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The HTML 4 specs say...
The FIELDSET element allows authors to group thematically related
controls and labels...
While controls and labels refer to form controls, the fieldset
itself can contain anything. My opinion would be that the important part
of the use of fieldset is group thematically
On 6/5/07, Lucien Stals [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The HTML 4 specs say...
The FIELDSET element allows authors to group thematically related
controls and labels...
While controls and labels refer to form controls, the fieldset
itself can contain anything. My opinion would be that the important
Jackie Reid wrote:
Can fieldsets only to be used in forms or can they be used to group any
sort of related information together (ie: business name, short
description, logo and link).
What's wrong with using a DIV? I'd say leave fieldsets alone...they're
specifically intended for forms, and
Jackie Reid wrote:
Can fieldsets only to be used in forms or can they be used to group any
sort of related information
From memory the W3C validator doesn't complain if you do use them outside
a form, but they are designed specially to group thematically related
controls and labels and you can
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