Re: [WSG] XHTML Basic 1.0

are probably no aware, is a subset of XHTML, devised particularly for lightweight devices. I believe XHTML Basic + CSS Mobile Profile (a small subset of CSS) were supposed to be astandards basd way of replacing WAPML (or whatever WAPs htmlish markup language was) HTH, john John Allsopp :: westciv

Re: [WSG] Ways to minimise CSS file

$49.99 instead of $59.99, but only here https://order.kagi.com/cgi-bin/store.cgi?storeID=WC3 and only for a limited time (until Maxine finds out :-) thanks, john John Allsopp :: westciv :: software, courses, resources for a standards based web style master blog http://westciv.typepad.com

Re: [WSG] He said she said :-) FIR and other such techniques

(a thing of beauty don't get me wrong) Congrats on StyleMaster BTW! many thanks, John John Allsopp :: westciv :: software, courses, resources for a standards based web style master blog http://westciv.typepad.com/dog_or_higher/ http://www.westciv.com

Re: [WSG] He said she said :-) FIR and other such techniques

is still available if the decoration is not. But if the image is not available there is no content. john John Allsopp :: westciv :: software, courses, resources for a standards based web style master blog http://westciv.typepad.com/dog_or_higher/ http://www.westciv.com

Re: [WSG] New CSS site

Peter, Now THIS is why I love CS - I've just increased the contrast a little. Easss now you are getting it :-) john John Allsopp :: westciv :: software, courses, resources for a standards based web style master blog http://westciv.typepad.com/dog_or_higher/ http://www.westciv.com

[WSG] APC magazine anti standards article

Hi all, anyone got a link to or can send me the text of that recent anti standards article mentioned here at APC? Thanks, John John Allsopp :: westciv :: http://www.westciv.com/ software, courses, resources for a standards based web :: style master blog :: http://westciv.typepad.com

Re: [WSG] Tables are bad because...

Mike et al. Sorry but there isnt a place for font tags. font has been deprecated and sooner or later it'll cease working. Go to Andy's article, and try replacing the words table and table layout with font tag. Works a treat, Sigh, John John Allsopp :: westciv :: http://www.westciv.com

Re: [WSG] Tables are bad because...

its not simply something we can cherry pick. At times it is hard. Trivial things are often easy. Non trivial things are often difficult. But usually vastly more rewarding. Keep fighting the good fight, john John Allsopp :: westciv :: http://www.westciv.com/ software, courses, resources

Re: [WSG] XHTML/HTML

prior to 4.0) or 4.0. Not quite. What it will accept is documents marked up in accordance with the HTML 4.0 Transitional doctype rules. These do not entirely conform to HTML 3.2 Hope this is in some ways useful John John Allsopp :: westciv :: http://www.westciv.com/ software, courses

[WSG] Informal Bondi/Eastern Suburbs meetup

Hi all, anyone interested in an informal meetup of wsg and similar people in Bondi/Eastern Suburbs of Sydney this coming tuesday - short notice I know, but ... please email me offlist and I'll let you know the details, thanks John John Allsopp :: westciv :: software, courses, resources

[WSG] Tables redux

Hi all, just posted a response to this whole table thingy going on right now on my blog. http://westciv.typepad.com/dog_or_higher/2004/05/the_right_tool_.html It's a parable. Thanks, john John Allsopp :: westciv :: http://www.westciv.com/ software, courses, resources for a standards

Re: [WSG] 'It Works in Gecko Browsers ...'

in the future. HTH John John Allsopp :: westciv :: http://www.westciv.com/ software, courses, resources for a standards based web :: style master blog :: http://westciv.typepad.com/dog_or_higher/ :: webessentials Sept 30 - October 1 2004 Sydney Australia

Re: [WSG] Tables are bad because...

with the subtext of the article. There are enough people out there waiting to beat up on standards advocates and the community. Let's not do it to ourselves. John John Allsopp :: westciv :: http://www.westciv.com/ software, courses, resources for a standards based web :: style master blog :: http

[WSG] And now for something completely different :-)

Hope people find it interesting, and feel free to spread the word :-) john John Allsopp :: westciv :: http://www.westciv.com/ software, courses, resources for a standards based web :: style master blog :: http://westciv.typepad.com/dog_or_higher/ :: webessentials Sept 30 - October 1 2004

Re: [WSG] And now for something completely different :-)

installed iTunes, then go for it with that large installed user base. I am sure they have thought about it, just not sure what they do think about it. I am pretty sure what MS might think about it :-) john John Allsopp :: westciv :: http://www.westciv.com/ software, courses, resources

[WSG] something for your managers and clients

John Allsopp :: westciv :: http://www.westciv.com/ software, courses, resources for a standards based web :: style master blog :: http://westciv.typepad.com/dog_or_higher/ :: WebEssentials Sept 2004 Sydney Australia :: http://www.we04.com

Re: [WSG] web standards related rss feeds?

/dog_or_higher/index.rdf Maxine at westciv does Redemption Through Standards http://westciv.typepad.com/standards/index.rdf and you'll find a swag of great web development blogs in her blog roll john John Allsopp :: westciv :: http://www.westciv.com/ software

Re: [WSG] HTML CSS references

, and so on. Or you can purchase an enhanced version, and it comes free with Style Master. Plus come to the Web Essentials Free Education and Government Briefing http://we04.com/education.cfm Where you might win it as a door prize. 'nuff plugging :-) John John Allsopp :: westciv

Re: [WSG] guide to CSS inheritance

level elements, then its inline children would not inherit such properties. This bit is just unchecked conjecture. HTH, john John Allsopp :: westciv :: http://www.westciv.com/ software, courses, resources for a standards based web :: style master

Re: [WSG] guide to CSS inheritance

John, Seeing this email reminded me of something. Yes, some CSS properties are inherited and some aren't. Inheritance depends on *specificity*, which can be reduced to a mathematical formula, as in this quote from the definitive O'Reilly book by Eric Meyer, where it says: H1 {color: red;}

Re: [WSG] Table-Free Design

free. http://www.westciv.com/style_master/ HTH john John Allsopp :: westciv :: http://www.westciv.com/ software, courses, resources for a standards based web :: style master blog :: http://westciv.typepad.com/dog_or_higher/ :: WebEssentials Sept

Re: [WSG] NYTimes.com Article: Microsoft Quits a U.N. Standards Group

by *Australia adopting US laws in toto*. Anyway, this is way off topic in some respects, but right on topic in others. john John Allsopp :: westciv :: http://www.westciv.com/ software, courses, resources for a standards based web :: style master blog :: http

Re: [WSG] Brisbane Meeting, Wednesday

Weds night, John John Allsopp :: westciv :: http://www.westciv.com/ software, courses, resources for a standards based web :: style master blog :: http://westciv.typepad.com/dog_or_higher/ :: WebEssentials Sept 2004 Sydney Australia :: http

Re: [WSG] Brisbane Meeting, Wednesday

Thanks Gary, I think the train is winning, and I am staying right near one of the city stops See you weds, John Taxi - or the train (they call it Airtrain - just because it comes from the Airport). John Allsopp :: westciv :: http://www.westciv.com

Re: [WSG] Brisbane meeting tonight

Thanks Lea, Miss the meeting and you miss meeting John Allsopp - you don't want to miss that opportunity, surely! ;) but if there is a low turn out, I'll take it personally people :-) See you tonight, John John Allsopp :: westciv :: http://www.westciv.com

Re: [WSG] WSG Melbourne: Meet Doug Bowman and Dave Shea

Aaron, I live in the inner south east (caulfield area) of melbourne, so i'm hoping it will be reasonably close. these guys crossed the globe. I reckon crossing town is no super hardship :-) john John Allsopp :: westciv :: http://www.westciv.com/ software

Re: [WSG] Mac Tools Kit for Web Standards Developer

=mwweek-0719 John John Allsopp :: westciv :: http://www.westciv.com/ software, courses, resources for a standards based web :: style master blog :: http://westciv.typepad.com/dog_or_higher/ :: WebEssentials Sept 2004 Sydney Australia :: http

[WSG] Firefox and web development

sites. Simple things like using text-sizing, things like plug ins, if it is part of your development and test regime, I'd love to hear about it. Please email me directly, [EMAIL PROTECTED], and I'll let the list know about the results. Thanks in advance, John John Allsopp

[WSG] westciv templates competition results

Hi all, just a quick note on our templates competition. We've announced our winners, please take a look http://www.westciv.com/style_master/templates/index.html We had almost 50 entries, many of considerable quality. Good to see how far CSS based design has come in the last few years. John John

Re: [WSG] westciv templates competition results

of the issues (including Russ) and we came out with the results we did. Thanks, john John Allsopp :: westciv :: http://www.westciv.com/ software, courses, resources for a standards based web :: style master blog :: http://westciv.typepad.com

Re: [WSG] Ten questions for John Allsopp

congratulations? I guess it is, but can I just point out that it hasn't quite happened yet, as the interview went out earlier than anticipated. Which is off topic, 'cept for the fact it is in a WSG interview with me ;-) Thanks, john John Allsopp :: westciv :: http://www.westciv.com

Re: [WSG] Ten questions for John Allsopp

Cam, Trust soft Australian journalists not to ask the tough questions, such as how much drug consumption was going on backstage at WE04 prior to the WWWF smackdown. We had fantales, minties and water for all the speakers :-) I think the overseas speakers we bemused by the first two J John Allsopp

Re: [WSG] Font-size issue on Mac

in different browsers. http://westciv.com/style_master/house/good_oil/dao/index.html http://westciv.com/style_master/house/good_oil/not_paper/index.html john John Allsopp :: westciv :: http://www.westciv.com/ software, courses, resources for a standards based web

Re: [WSG] New Windows

Ben, John has just posted an interesting piece about this... http://westciv.typepad.com/standards/2004/11/another_way_of_.html Actually it was Maxine :-) And it is a good little discussion of the practical issues John John Allsopp :: westciv :: http://www.westciv.com

[WSG] pop quiz: calculating specificity of group selectors

in people's thoughts, john John Allsopp :: westciv :: http://www.westciv.com/ software, courses, resources for a standards based web :: style master blog :: http://westciv.typepad.com/dog_or_higher/ ** The discussion list for http

Re: [WSG] Default state of radio buttons. (Maybe OT?)

a long time since I have done some intensive forms work, but IIRC, browsers generally managed this for you if you set up your radio button sets properly. I know, its strictly off topic, but its about conventions, which are a kind of standard john John Allsopp :: westciv

Re: [WSG] Default state of radio buttons. (Maybe OT?)

in this instance) j John Allsopp :: westciv :: http://www.westciv.com/ software, courses, resources for a standards based web :: style master blog :: http://westciv.typepad.com/dog_or_higher

Re: [WSG] Default state of radio buttons. (Maybe OT?)

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Re: [WSG] web standards training course/events in Sydney?

of September. john John Allsopp :: westciv :: http://www.westciv.com/ software, courses, resources for a standards based web :: style master blog :: http://westciv.typepad.com/dog_or_higher

Re: [WSG] web standards training course/events in Sydney?

Holzschlag and Eric Meyer on Women on the Web, while I (John Allsopp) am organizing a panel with Dave Shea, Doug Bowman, Jon Hicks and Eris Free on Web design and development in 2010. As to Neerav's comment about price, WE and SxSW are two quite radically different events. SxSW content is largely

Re: [WSG] GMail... Terrible!

referring to here. j John Allsopp :: westciv :: http://www.westciv.com/ software, courses, resources for a standards based web :: style master blog :: http://westciv.typepad.com/dog_or_higher

Re: [WSG] IE7 may ship ahead of Longhorn

oup (developers), who, um, are precisely the single greatest adopters of Firefox. I'd go so far as to say it a tactical strike to attempt to stem the flow of developers to using Firefox as their main browser. But that would be cynical, and MS are of course never cynical. John Allsopp :: westciv :: h

[WSG] Javascript guru: volunteer some skills to a relevant charity

offlist and I'll put you in touch with them. Thanks in advance, john John Allsopp :: westciv :: http://www.westciv.com/ software, courses, resources for a standards based web :: style master blog :: http://westciv.typepad.com/dog_or_higher

Re: [WSG] WSG thoghts on XUL

class=whatever .whatever {shape: circle} ? j John Allsopp :: westciv :: http://www.westciv.com/ software, courses, resources for a standards based web :: style master blog :: http://westciv.typepad.com/dog_or_higher

Re: [WSG] Centre DIV Vertically? Any compliant methods?

column layout f'rinstance. Maybe Bert will have an answer :-) John John Allsopp :: westciv :: http://www.westciv.com/ software, courses, resources for a standards based web :: style master blog :: http://westciv.typepad.com/dog_or_higher

Re: [WSG] flash and accessabilty

://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** John Allsopp style master :: css editor :: http://www.westciv.com/style_master support forum :: http://support.westciv.com blog

Re: [WSG] zindex

, and the parent a positive one (or 0)That ought to do it,John John Allsopp style master :: css editor :: http://www.westciv.com/style_master support forum ::  http://support.westciv.com blog :: dog or higher :: http://westciv.typepad.com/dog_or_higher

Re: [WSG] Best way to train someone in css and web standards

by people who have been involved with Web Standards since the very beginning(oh yeah, that includes me)http://westciv.com/courses/index.htmlWe also have a lot of very useful free training resources too,http://westciv.com/style_master/house/index.htmlthanksjohn John Allsopp style master :: css edit

Re: [WSG] best way to approach markup of an address

/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** John Allsopp style master :: css editor :: http://www.westciv.com/style_master support forum :: http://support.westciv.com blog

[WSG] a elements and what they can contain

I believe that, and all my reading leads me to believe that a elements may only contain other inline elements (not including a elements. Can anyone point me to the definitive part of the HTML spec that says this? Thanks, john John Allsopp style master :: css editor :: http

Re: [WSG] a elements and what they can contain

Lea, that would be this bit yes? !ELEMENT A - - (%inline;)* -(A) -- anchor -- j On 26/05/2005, at 4:47 PM, Lea de Groot wrote: On Thu, 26 May 2005 16:30:30 +1000, John Allsopp wrote: Can anyone point me to the definitive part of the HTML spec that says this? http://www.w3.org

Re: [WSG] a elements and what they can contain

this with regard to anchors. I'd say so too. I've known this for years, but in preparing something quite technical, I needed to satisfy myself it was 100% the case. thanks j John Allsopp style master :: css editor :: http://www.westciv.com/style_master support forum :: http

Re: [WSG] a elements and what they can contain

Thanks Lea, all sorted now, john On 26/05/2005, at 5:20 PM, Lea de Groot wrote: Yep, as Ingo says, the '%inline;' means 'only inline elements in here' and the '-(A)' means 'except that exciting one, the anchor'. John Allsopp style master :: css editor :: http://www.westciv.com

Re: [WSG] a elements and what they can contain

live near Bondi, I'll be at the beach road hotel to watch the Super 12 final (I only say this cause Peter lives in Bondi too, though he probably quite sensibly hates rugby :-) john John Allsopp style master :: css editor :: http://www.westciv.com/style_master support forum :: http

Re: [WSG] CSS List Separator

than using CSS counters and content which won't work completely anyway) john John Allsopp style master :: css editor :: http://www.westciv.com/style_master support forum :: http://support.westciv.com blog :: dog or higher :: http://westciv.typepad.com/dog_or_higher

Re: [WSG] CSS List Separator

sections and so on Whether 6 deep is enough I am not entirely sure though, they can get very complex! john John Allsopp style master :: css editor :: http://www.westciv.com/style_master support forum :: http://support.westciv.com blog :: dog or higher :: http://westciv.typepad.com

Re: [WSG] CSS List Separator

. It definitely pays to stop and think about accessibility when we come to consider even what may appear quit straightforward aspects of what we do. Very good question Richard, john John Allsopp style master :: css editor :: http://www.westciv.com/style_master support forum :: http

Re: [WSG] New front page for http://abc.net.au/

- The image replacement techniques, misuse of flash (rarely is it used well, and even when it is used well, it tends to be used for everything (text and still graphics as well as interactive stuff) rather than jsut for what it does well). Just my not so humble appearance. John Allsopp style

Re: [WSG] New front page for http://abc.net.au/

even notice them, afterall, how are we supposed to know they are flyout or dropdown menus? HTH john John Allsopp style master :: css editor :: http://westciv.com/style_master support forum :: http://support.westciv.com blog :: dog or higher :: http://blogs.westciv.com/dog_or_higher Web

Re: [WSG] New front page for http://abc.net.au/

for navigation! john John Allsopp style master :: css editor :: http://westciv.com/style_master support forum :: http://support.westciv.com blog :: dog or higher :: http://blogs.westciv.com/dog_or_higher Web Essentials web development conference http://we05.com

Re: [WSG] New front page for http://abc.net.au/

, but be very careful. As a web development student, what resources are available for me to read to help me better understand this issue? I'v not read anything in great detail, but others certainly may have HTH a little john John Allsopp style master :: css editor :: http://westciv.com

Re: [WSG] Semantic Calendar

for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** John Allsopp style master :: css editor :: http://westciv.com/style_master support forum :: http

Re: [WSG] Online Resources for HTML Beginners

with computers, so precision is important. an example of when it makes a significant difference is illustrated by the following Which of these is correct the caption element comes directly after the table tag the caption element comes directly after the table element john John Allsopp style

Re: [WSG] Online Resources for HTML Beginners

John Allsopp style master :: css editor :: http://westciv.com/style_master support forum :: http://support.westciv.com blog :: dog or higher :: http://blogs.westciv.com/dog_or_higher Web Essentials web development conference http://we05.com

Re: [WSG] Online Resources for HTML Beginners

goodie. It has spawned many imitators. j John Allsopp style master :: css editor :: http://westciv.com/style_master support forum :: http://support.westciv.com blog :: dog or higher :: http://blogs.westciv.com/dog_or_higher Web Essentials web development conference http://we05.com

[WSG] Tables and divs and soon

). In short, using tables is a very good way of raising the risk of invalid documents. BTW, I'm presenting these findings at WE05, and hope to have a detailed article online soon, john John Allsopp style master :: css editor :: http://westciv.com/style_master support forum :: http

Re: [WSG] Tables and divs and soon

, painfully and fitfully if at all. So not only is it *who* is using the technique, it is the technique itself which is problematic. john John Allsopp style master :: css editor :: http://westciv.com/style_master support forum :: http://support.westciv.com blog :: dog or higher :: http

Re: [WSG] Tables and divs and soon

that such things, regardless of their present usefulness, we usually come to regret. Y2K anyone? john John Allsopp style master :: css editor :: http://westciv.com/style_master support forum :: http://support.westciv.com blog :: dog or higher :: http://blogs.westciv.com/dog_or_higher Web Essentials web

Re: [WSG] Tables and divs and soon

Dead Table Sketch The cast: MR. PRALINE John Cleese SHOP OWNER Michael Palin The sketch: A customer enters a web development shop. Mr. Praline: 'Ello, I wish to register a complaint. (The owner does not respond.) Mr. Praline: 'Ello, Miss?

Re: [WSG] Tables and divs and soon

have been almost invariably associated with the table markup. The correlation is strong. john John Allsopp style master :: css editor :: http://westciv.com/style_master support forum :: http://support.westciv.com blog :: dog or higher :: http://blogs.westciv.com/dog_or_higher Web Essentials

Re: [WSG] Tables and divs and soon

the justification you want in the fine print of the standards. But their intent is very very clear. Finding justification for the use of Tables for layout in the standards is essentially an act of desperation. This really is flat earth stuff. It is time to let it go john John Allsopp style master

Re: [WSG] Tables and divs and soon

a designers penchant for that technique. john John Allsopp style master :: css editor :: http://westciv.com/style_master support forum :: http://support.westciv.com blog :: dog or higher :: http://blogs.westciv.com/dog_or_higher Web Essentials web development conference http://we05.com

Re: [WSG] Tables and divs and soon

be used to prove almost anything, depending on how you interpret them :-) Or rhetoric, which can be used to convince oneself of just about anything. John Allsopp style master :: css editor :: http://westciv.com/style_master support forum :: http://support.westciv.com blog :: dog or higher

Re: [WSG] Tables and divs and soon

in favor of using CSS for layout, that I won't bore anyone with now. I guess I'll finish on a practical note. IM reasonably well informed O, if you want to be a successful web developer in the long run, you'll not be using tables for layout for your whole career. So if not now, when? john John

Re: [WSG] Tables and divs and soon

.people.html John Allsopp style master :: css editor :: http://westciv.com/style_master support forum :: http://support.westciv.com blog :: dog or higher :: http://blogs.westciv.com/dog_or_higher Web Essentials web development conference http://we05.com

Re: [WSG] Tables and divs and soon

is literally absurd. john John Allsopp style master :: css editor :: http://westciv.com/style_master support forum :: http://support.westciv.com blog :: dog or higher :: http://blogs.westciv.com/dog_or_higher Web Essentials web development conference http://we05.com

Re: [WSG] Barclays standards redesign

would be This new 'Standards Compliant' browser is broken! Luckilly IE still works. If you have XHTML, and serve it as application/xml. then in modern browsers you'll get your wish :-) Of course, you'll have problems with IE as well, regardless of whether it is valid or not. :-/ john John

Re: [WSG] Educate the educators (was) Barclays standards redesign

for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** John Allsopp style master :: css editor :: http://westciv.com/style_master support forum :: http://support.westciv.com blog :: dog or higher :: http://blogs.westciv.com/dog_or_higher Web

Re: [WSG] Educate the educators (was) Barclays standards redesign

compliance - using open source tools, for free. All I can say is, based on a lot of recent auditing, quality of this nature is exceedingly rare in major Australian sites. You'll hear more about that at WE045 john John Allsopp style master :: css editor :: http://westciv.com/style_master

Re: [WSG] CSS Validator Bug

significant issues. Might be worth reporting this to the validator people HTH john John Allsopp style master :: css editor :: http://westciv.com/style_master support forum :: http://support.westciv.com blog :: dog or higher :: http://blogs.westciv.com/dog_or_higher Web Essentials web development

Re: [WSG] FW: Killersites.com Newsletter - Not another nerd newsletter!

That's it for now. Thanks, Stefan Mischook -- To Unsubscribe, please click here. John Allsopp style master :: css editor :: http://westciv.com/style_master support forum :: http://support.westciv.com blog :: dog or higher :: http://blogs.westciv.com

Re: [WSG] Meta Keywords?

and superstition. I'd be interested in their response :-) John Allsopp style master :: css editor :: http://westciv.com/style_master support forum :: http://support.westciv.com blog :: dog or higher :: http://blogs.westciv.com/dog_or_higher Web Essentials web development conference http://we05.com

Re: [WSG] Keep all content to a single page using CSS for printing?

Is it possible to keep all content to a single page using CSS for printing? body {font-size: 1px} in a print style sheet ought to do it most of the time :-) john John Allsopp style master :: css editor :: http://westciv.com/style_master support forum :: http://support.westciv.com blog

[WSG] Current practices in Australian web development

john John Allsopp style master :: css editor :: http://westciv.com/style_master support forum :: http://support.westciv.com blog :: dog or higher :: http://blogs.westciv.com/dog_or_higher Web Essentials web development conference http://we05.com

[WSG] The Age (and smh) redesign

as an article http://westciv.typepad.com/dog_or_higher/ john John Allsopp style master :: css editor :: http://westciv.com/style_master support forum :: http://support.westciv.com blog :: dog or higher :: http://blogs.westciv.com/dog_or_higher Web Essentials web development conference http://we05.com

[WSG] Webpatterns and WebSemantics

microformats.org, but with a focus more on site architecture than just data. Very interested in people's thoughts, thanks for your time, john John Allsopp style master :: css editor :: http://westciv.com/style_master support forum :: http://support.westciv.com blog :: dog or higher :: http

[WSG] webpatterns and patternquiz

is to explore existing patterns in web development. I've started with site level patterns. I'm really interested in the thoughts of all developers about the patterns which we use, so if you have a moment please come along, and contribute your thoughts and experience john John Allsopp style

Re: [WSG] webpatterns and patternquiz

on). I do detail this in the original article, http://westciv.typepad.com/dog_or_higher/2005/11/webpatterns_and.html thanks john John Allsopp style master :: css editor :: http://westciv.com/style_master blog :: dog or higher :: http://blogs.westciv.com/dog_or_higher Web Essentials web development

Re: [WSG] webpatterns and patternquiz

, itss just not flexible enough, thanks for the thoughts, john etc... What do you think? R - Original Message - From: John Allsopp [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 2:34 PM Subject: [WSG] webpatterns and patternquiz Hi all, Some

Re: [WSG] webpatterns and patternquiz

that they certainly don't make solving complex problems trivial, rather they help make the process more efficient, and hopefully give rise to better solutions in future Thanks again, john John Allsopp style master :: css editor :: http://westciv.com/style_master support forum :: http

Re: [WSG] webpatterns and patternquiz

-occurring debates on mailing lists (like those I mentioned in my first post). or at least move them to a wiki :-) Thanks for the great ideas j John Allsopp style master :: css editor :: http://westciv.com/style_master support forum :: http://support.westciv.com blog :: dog or higher

Re: [WSG] webpatterns and patternquiz

Kevin, dosnt ted drakes standardista rollyo search thingy sorta do this? I'd suggest rollyo is a great example of a framework, which of course uses existing search, page and page content patterns. john John Allsopp style master :: css editor :: http://westciv.com/style_master support

Re: [WSG] webpatterns and patternquiz

this problem domain, the pattern paradigm is appropriate, and could potentially be very important as web development matures into a fully fledged discipline. Thanks for the excellent thought provoking post. Straight to the top of the class :-) john John Allsopp style master :: css editor

Re: [WSG] webpatterns and patternquiz

the next stage ;o) it's begun already! Get along to http://webpatterns.org/wordpress/?p=4 and start adding some patterns :-)! everyone is welcome, and its easy john John Allsopp style master :: css editor :: http://westciv.com/style_master blog :: dog or higher :: http://blogs.westciv.com

Re: [WSG] css/html snippets

://webpatterns.org/wordpress/?cat=3 thanks john John Allsopp style master :: css editor :: http://westciv.com/style_master blog :: dog or higher :: http://blogs.westciv.com/dog_or_higher Web Essentials web development conference :: http://we05.com WebPatterns :: http://webpatterns.org