RE: [WSG] Quick accessibility question

2004-06-15 Thread Mike Pepper
Hey, that looks interesting, Richard. You got me thinking. Nice one :o) Mike Pepper (thoughtful) Accessible Web Developer www.seowebsitepromotion.com www.gawds.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Richard Rutter Sent: 15 June 2004 22:15 To

RE: [WSG] ALPHA Testers Needed

2004-06-16 Thread Mike Pepper
Count me in, Chris. I use TSP3.1, and it's good. But I'm open to ideas. Mail me details and schedules off list.   Mike PepperAccessible Web Developerwww.seowebsitepromotion.comwww.gawds.org

RE: [WSG] Accessibililty and the positioning of navigation

2004-06-19 Thread Mike Pepper
be neither penalised or rewarded for the placement of your navigational block. Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer (without a red gun on his CRT and looking for a new monitor) www.seowebsitepromotion.com www.gawds.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [WSG]headers

2004-07-06 Thread Mike Pepper
hy of summary importance, with subtopics of not dissimilar weight (importance) carrying the same level of heading until the theme of the page is played out to conclusion. Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer www.seowebsitepromotion.com Administrator www.gawds.org -Original Message- F

RE: [WSG]headers

2004-07-07 Thread Mike Pepper
t use display: none as this can cause probs but set them as negative absolute offsets so they disappear from the visible page but are immediately available in screen readers and other AT) Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer www.seowebsitepromotion.com Administrator www.gawds.org -Original Me

RE: [WSG]headers

2004-07-07 Thread Mike Pepper
iew to SEO, I might suggest they're the retrieval mechanisms of the Web therefore they must be given due consideration when discussing page constructs. Headings are enormously important (as you are aware) not simply for structure but archival and retrieval purposes. Mike Pepper -Original Me

RE: [WSG]headers

2004-07-07 Thread Mike Pepper
That looks ok, Mike. Remember to ensure markup logical blocks with tags to separate out the sections else you'll run into trouble with nested headers. I'd be inclined not to overdo the h4 (external) link headings unless you've got good reason to emphasise them. I use blocks of links on my resour

RE: [WSG] font size question

2004-07-07 Thread Mike Pepper
Font and line-height :o) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ted Drake Sent: 07 July 2004 19:04 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] font size question I've been looking at some sites to see how they determine their font size. em, keyword, px, .

RE: [WSG]headers

2004-07-07 Thread Mike Pepper
eading. >I hope this helps. My apologies for being so long. I always use the book analogy to describe a Web page and it's great to have my personal views endorsed by somebody who's obviously given great consideration to the topic. Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer www.seowebsiteprom

RE: Future.....(was: Re: [WSG] iFrames vs Scrolling Divs)

2004-07-08 Thread Mike Pepper
ke being paid to offer my clients a greater return on investment than they would otherwise expect from non-compliant development. It's good common business sense and a courtesy to develop for as great an audience as reasonably practicable. Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer (after a good ni

RE: [WSG]headers

2004-07-08 Thread Mike Pepper
Blimey, Mike, very smart :o) Will look forward to the finished result. Looking good :o) -Original Message- From: Mike Foskett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Foskett Sent: 08 July 2004 12:09 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG]headers Thanks Mike, Drew, Lee, I think you'll

Re: Future.....(was: Re: [WSG] iFrames vs Scrolling Divs)

2004-07-08 Thread Mike Pepper
; both are not on each page. With boolean algebra your statement requires both to be true; mine requires only one to be true. Lee, did you see Bicentennial Man? :o) Mike Pepper (cheerful) Accessible Web Developer www.seowebsitepromotion.com Administrator www.gawds.org

RE: [WSG]headers

2004-07-08 Thread Mike Pepper
interesting; but my clients' eyes glaze. Mike Pepper (knackered) Accessible Web Developer www.seowebsitepromotion.com Administrator www.gawds.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Trusz, Andrew Sent: 08 July 2004 19:25 To: '[EMAIL PRO

RE: [WSG] (Understandable) Myths about the W3C WAI

2004-07-08 Thread Mike Pepper
, Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer () www.seowebsitepromotion.com Administrator www.gawds.org * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list

RE: [WSG] After CSS?

2004-07-23 Thread Mike Pepper
markets. Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer www.seowebsitepromotion.com GAWDS Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.gawds.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of 7 sinz Sent: 23 July 2004 11:45 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] After CSS

RE: [WSG] After CSS?

2004-07-23 Thread Mike Pepper
. May I suggest WCAG checkpoint 14.1 ;) > -Original Message- > From: Mike Pepper > Sent: 23 July 2004 13:07 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [WSG] After CSS? > > > Accessibility. Extend your skillsets with an understanding of > the challenges &g

RE: [WSG] thoughts of external links in new window?

2004-10-05 Thread Mike Pepper
the current site to be the optimum solution for displaying additional information or when expanding a thumbnail but you should offer a courtesy warning such as This will open in a new window, or similar. Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer www.seowebsitepromotion.com www.gawds.org -Original

RE: [WSG] thoughts of external links in new window?

2004-10-05 Thread Mike Pepper
Also, checkout WAI Priority 2 Checkpoint 10.1 Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer www.seowebsitepromotion.com www.gawds.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of john Sent: 05 October 2004 17:30 To: web standards group Subject: [WSG] thoughts of

RE: [WSG] w3c badges

2004-10-18 Thread Mike Pepper
Pleased you like them, Michael ;o) Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer () www.seowebsitepromotion.com GAWDS Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.gawds.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Dale Sent: 18 October 2004 04:58 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED

RE: [WSG] should you refuse to support IE?

2004-10-18 Thread Mike Pepper
>I just wanna know your view on ditching IE on purpose? Commercial suicide :o) Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer () www.seowebsitepromotion.com GAWDS Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.gawds.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark Harw

RE: [WSG] w3c badges

2004-10-18 Thread Mike Pepper
Nah, they're different :o) Not as good ;o) Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer () www.seowebsitepromotion.com GAWDS Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.gawds.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Dale Sent: 18 October 2004 12:28 To: [

RE: [WSG] Circle menu

2004-10-25 Thread Mike Pepper
Jad, Check out file:///H:/Inetpub/wwwroot/premiumsofas/bellagio_sofas.htm As Patrick suggests, it's a simple case of absolute positioning. Set a relative start then work from there. (The site is temporarily disabled so don't hit the index page.) Good luck, Mike Pepper Accessible Web

RE: [WSG] dublin core and search engines

2004-10-25 Thread Mike Pepper
may take a while for them to return your mail) you could try http://groups.google.com/groups?q=google.public.support.general, Google's group list, where you may get a more immediate response. HTH, Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer Internet SEO and Marketing Analyst http://www.seowebsitepro

RE: [WSG] skip to content

2004-10-27 Thread Mike Pepper
I tend to adopt your consideration, Terrence. Tab into http://www.seowebsitepromotion.com/ and you're presented with 'menu navigation' then 'content' links. I don't bother elaborating since it's patently obvious what they do since they're links. Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTEC

RE: [WSG] font too small??

2004-11-26 Thread Mike Pepper
http://www.seowebsitepromotion.com/site_map.htm at the top of the screen. The code's pretty simple and I can sort it off-list if you wish. Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer Internet SEO and Marketing Analyst http://www.seowebsitepromotion.com Administrator Guild of Accessible Web Design

RE: [WSG] IE's New JavaScript Blocking Feature

2004-11-26 Thread Mike Pepper
Think of onclick as a 2-action process: mouse down selects the object, mouse up - if still on-focus - activates the link, in this instance. Same for keyboard action: tab to object selects it, enter/return activates it. They do the same job, across all browsers. Tell you what, why not run a sequen

RE: [WSG] IE's New JavaScript Blocking Feature

2004-11-26 Thread Mike Pepper
event :o) >I can knock something together this saturday and test in most recent-ish (from IE 4 onwards) browsers, if you like. Anybody who can test on Mac (ideally both OS 9 and OS X) and *nix (konqueror)? Send me a reply off list...I'll collate the results and re-post them here. Well done

[WSG] IE-Specific Element Border Anomaly

2004-12-09 Thread Mike Pepper
t IE on rollover. Any ideas? Thanks all, Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer Internet SEO and Marketing Analyst http://www.seowebsitepromotion.com Administrator Guild of Accessible Web Designers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gawds.org This email and any files transmitted with it are confidentia

RE: [WSG] background loading issue

2004-12-16 Thread Mike Pepper
You can drop the image to 23K with a decent JPEG converter. The fact that it's a background means just that: it's subordinate to content. I have http://www.xat.com/ in my graphics manipulation armoury. Still the best after 3 years. Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer Internet SEO and

RE: [WSG] Slightly OT... Interview with IE Dev team

2005-01-06 Thread Mike Pepper
It's balancing an equation with many factors culminating in projected customer expectation. These are simple business economics. But that does not mean to say we cannot shape the future. Education. Teach by fiscal example. Illustrate by factual example: Mike Pepper Acce

RE: [WSG] background-image:

2005-01-19 Thread Mike Pepper
trates the principle and thinking behind the initiative. Cheers, Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer Internet SEO and Marketing Analyst [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.visidigm.com (in progress) Administrator Guild of Accessible Web Designers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gawds.org -- No virus fou

[WSG] window.onunload Event Not Firing in IE

2005-01-20 Thread Mike Pepper
tored in the cookie. They must first navigate to another page (or site) for the event to be fired and the cookie written. Anybody have any resolutions to this (stupid) behaviour? I've Googled for a while and can find no pertinent reference. Cheers in advance. Mike Pepper Accessible Web Develo

RE: [WSG] window.onunload Event Not Firing in IE

2005-01-20 Thread Mike Pepper
Solved! It was the bloody Google toolbar blocking the event as it decided it was attempting to load a popup. How cretinous! Sorry for the false request. Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Pepper Sent: 20 January 2005 20:00 To: wsg

[WSG] Print Stylesheet Bug Using IE Conditional Expressions

2005-01-21 Thread Mike Pepper
expression causing the problem. I tried moving the stylesheet load order in the markup to appear after the IE specific load but it makes no difference. Anybody come across this behaviour and have a resolution? Cheers, Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer Internet SEO and Marketing Analyst [EMAIL

RE: [WSG] xHTML style guide/ coding guidelines

2005-01-21 Thread Mike Pepper
eless design and you'll never look back. Trust me on this. Cheers, Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer Internet SEO and Marketing Analyst [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.visidigm.com Administrator Guild of Accessible Web Designers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gawds.org Rob wrote: . Anyone

RE: [WSG] Forms, labels & headers

2004-05-11 Thread Mike Pepper
ards-compliant and accessible in as great a range or browsers (including Lynx) as possible. Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer www.seowebsitepromotion.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bert Doorn Sent: 09 May 2004 16:23 To: [EMAIL PROTECTE

RE: [WSG] Forms, labels & headers

2004-05-12 Thread Mike Pepper
here is the law of diminishing returns, and accessibility is about making your site as accessible to as great an audience - a real, not imagined or hypothetical audience - as possible. Use the currently available tools and wait for CSS and browsers to go columnar. Mike Pepper Accessible Web Develop

RE: [WSG] Forms, labels & headers

2004-05-12 Thread Mike Pepper
hml1.1 cannot be served as text/html. No, it can't; it's - to use the cute phrase - tag soup. >And IE does not support application/xthml+xml. Yup, silly, eh. >Why not to stick with HTML4.01 till better times? Because I need to look to the future. Mike Pepper Accessible W

RE: [WSG] Forms, labels & headers

2004-05-12 Thread Mike Pepper
>Mine is different one and we both have arguments for them, so let's stop here. Good call, Rimantas. Have a good one, Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rimantas Liubertas Sent: 12 May 2004 13:00 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] F

RE: [WSG] Design Philosophy

2004-05-13 Thread Mike Pepper
7;t claim to be a designer). But my off-the-cuff blog entry expresses my consideration of what a good skeletal design can achieve. First para http://www.seowebsitepromotion.com/enigma_log.htm. Get a good understanding of standards constructs and you can get a pretty good sit

[WSG] Spammer in our midst

2004-05-13 Thread Mike Pepper
Don't reply to the graphic on the WHO ARE YOU? mail: it's a mail harvester. Those in the know won't but we may have some new guys here. If we all focus out attention on him, we should be able to shut his heart down :o) Bloody annoys me, this crap on the web. Mike Pepper

RE: [WSG] Spammer in our midst

2004-05-13 Thread Mike Pepper
Don't reply to the graphic on the WHO ARE YOU? mail: it's a mail harvester. Those in the know won't but we may have some new guys here. If we all focus out attention on him, we should be able to shut his heart down :o) Bloody annoys me, this crap on the web. Mike Pepper

RE: [WSG] Spammer in our midst

2004-05-13 Thread Mike Pepper
Don't reply to the graphic on the WHO ARE YOU? mail: it's a mail harvester. Those in the know won't but we may have some new guys here. If we all focus out attention on him, we should be able to shut his heart down :o) Bloody annoys me, this crap on the web. Mike Pepper

RE: [WSG] old browser download site?

2004-05-13 Thread Mike Pepper
Kevin, You should look here for a low-down http://www.insert-title.com/web_design/?page=articles/dev/multi_IE then pick 'em up at http://browsers.evolt.org/ Helped me no end. Mike Pepper Accessible Website Developer www.seowebsitepromotion.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROT

RE: [WSG] Site Review and some guidance on inheritance please

2004-05-14 Thread Mike Pepper
You're quite welcome to mine on http://www.seowebsitepromotion.com. Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer www.seowebsitepromotion.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Donnermeyer Sent: 14 May 2004 11:08 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Su

RE: [WSG] XHTML/HTML

2004-05-14 Thread Mike Pepper
throw it into quirks mode. But I'll let you read up on that :o) Good luck with the transition, Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer www.seowebsitepromotion.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 May 2004 23:46 To

RE: [WSG] dont laugh

2004-04-30 Thread Mike Pepper
Here you go, Kevin http://www.insert-title.com/web_design/?page=articles/dev/multi_IE I've use IE 5.1 & 5.5 and they quite happily coexist with IE6 and my other browser connections. Mike Pepper http://www.seowebsitepromotion.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mail

RE: [WSG] Using

2004-05-02 Thread Mike Pepper
instance. Divs can contain spans but not vice-versa. Hope this helps, Mike Pepper www.seowebsitepromotion.com www.gawds.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gabriel Vasquez Sent: 02 May 2004 20:05 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] Using Hi

RE: [WSG] XHTML/HTML

2004-05-15 Thread Mike Pepper
d I'm a TS3 Pro man. Great editor.) Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer www.seowebsitepromotion.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rev. Bob 'Bob' Crispen Sent: 15 May 2004 12:35 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] XHTML

RE: [WSG] The joys of list management

2004-05-15 Thread Mike Pepper
g the group; the sheer volume of posts I waded through to get up to speed and develop a flavour for the group was quite stunning. How about a simple forum, PHPBB-based? Or am I missing something? Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer www.seowebsitepromotion.com -Original Message- From: [

RE: [WSG] The joys of list management

2004-05-15 Thread Mike Pepper
t an issue with a well-visited and topical group such as WSG. It's in everybody's interest to keep up to speed on current events and issues. Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer www.seowebsitepromotion.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf

RE: [WSG] The joys of list management

2004-05-15 Thread Mike Pepper
the SEO stuff; we do bother with the level of support we offer our members. Sometimes you just have to forget the business angle and get back to what the Web really could be about. I suppose it's a question of what you put into something weighed against what you expect to get out of it. Mike Pepper

RE: [WSG] IE 6 problem

2004-04-29 Thread Mike Pepper
Barb, Make them block level elements with -- display: block; in your CSS. Mike Pepper http://seowebsitepromotion.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Barbara Dozetos Sent: 29 April 2004 16:05 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] IE 6

RE: [WSG] Pre-Site Launch Input

2004-04-29 Thread Mike Pepper
What message? Visually the site communicates well ... a long way from the static, almost stock-exchange original. Well done. Internally the code looks tight and well-structured ... with a DocType header. You've obviously given some thought to accessibility as well. Nice one, Paul.

RE: [WSG] Tables are dead?

2004-05-17 Thread Mike Pepper
get really stuck, mail me and I'll work on it with you. Cheers cobber (always wanted to say that) :o) Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer www.seowebsitepromotion.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bert Doorn Sent: 17 May 2004 17:08 To: [

[WSG] Tables are dead?

2004-05-17 Thread Mike Pepper
get really stuck, mail me and I'll work on it with you. Cheers cobber (always wanted to say that) :o) Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer www.seowebsitepromotion.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bert Doorn Sent: 17 May 2004 17:08 To: [

RE: [WSG] Tables are dead?

2004-05-18 Thread Mike Pepper
ow? The trouble, I believe, is there are too many unknowns which creep in when you let those horrible client-type-things free to muck up the design ;o). There has to be a simple solution and I'm convinced it's along the lines of determining the max box height then serving all to suit by a

RE: [WSG] back to basics

2004-05-18 Thread Mike Pepper
Naughty, Bob, you just stuck it into quirks mode. I presume you mean the xml prelude? Mike Pepper Accessible (but happy cuz the Mrs let him off the leash tonight) Web Developer www.seowebsitepromotion.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of

[WSG] 'It Works in Gecko Browsers ...'

2004-05-18 Thread Mike Pepper
standards. But first and foremost I design for the businesses who are realists in a market-driven economy. Would that I might write for a Gecko world ... but I can't. This is not an argument, it is a consideration that we must spread standards without disregard for the real world. Mike P

RE: [WSG] 'It Works in Gecko Browsers ...'

2004-05-18 Thread Mike Pepper
s has been discussed ad-nauseum - it is fairly well documented that one of the easiest and most efficient ways to build a website is to _start_ in a standards compliant browsers, then once you're almost done, test in IE. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECT

RE: [WSG] Problem with IE

2004-05-19 Thread Mike Pepper
e the window is resized (narrowed) your copy block will force the footer down and you're back to square one.   It's a pig to make divs expand to the footer. This is just one, simple and effective and lightweight (a few bytes), solution.   Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer www.seowebsi

RE: [WSG] Extending full height (was Problem with IE)

2004-05-19 Thread Mike Pepper
Nice one, mate. Cross browser compliant to boot. Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jason Turnbull Sent: 19 May 2004 13:01 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] Extending full height (was Problem with IE) > Kim wrote: > I'm not sure I

RE: [WSG] legal requirements for accessibility

2004-05-26 Thread Mike Pepper
ially opens its doors to membership today, and we're offering the opportunity to ... yes, you guessed it, do a site redesign. We've even got those wonderful things call prizes to give away at http://www.gawds.org/about/competition.php :o) Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer www.seowebsi

RE: [WSG]

2004-05-28 Thread Mike Pepper
porate them, we should serve the best development we can to our clients and our audience, and if this means a hybrid design which renders with stability then we are doing a good job. Mike Pepper Table-less Developer (When Appropriate) http://www.seowebsitepromotion.com -Original Message---

RE: [WSG]

2004-05-28 Thread Mike Pepper
Ok, Rimantas, replicate http://seowebsitepromotion.com without tables and without hacks. I'd sooner wait for some decent columnar formatting options then, when the time comes, do a search and replace on the tabular structure. Mike Pepper -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROT

RE: [WSG] CSS vs tables - the untitled posts

2004-05-28 Thread Mike Pepper
://seowebsitepromotion.com without tables and without hacks." - Mike Pepper Hi, I don't want to lower the tone, but was that comment a joke or were you serious? Your site is a standard 3 column layout, it's perfectly possible to build that in CSS-P. No offence meant, Jamie Mason: Design  

RE: [WSG]

2004-05-28 Thread Mike Pepper
Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rimantas Liubertas Sent: 28 May 2004 15:35 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] >From: "Mike Pepper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Ok, Rimantas, replicate http://seowebsitepro

RE: [WSG] CSS vs tables - the untitled posts

2004-05-28 Thread Mike Pepper
lumn of the width of the right column and have that and the left column fluid.   That would work, right?   Apologies again for my previous posts tone.     Jamie Mason: Design   -Original Message-From: Mike Pepper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 May 2

RE: [WSG] CSS vs tables - the untitled posts

2004-05-28 Thread Mike Pepper
--- Patrick Griffiths (PTG) http://www.htmldog.com/ptg/ http://www.htmldog.com ----- Original Message - From: "Mike Pepper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 5:01 PM Subject: RE: [WSG] CSS vs tables - the untitled posts >

RE: [WSG] when to place as a background in CSS

2004-05-28 Thread Mike Pepper
Bruce, that's perfectly acceptable, provided the image adds nothing but aesthetic content to the site. Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer http://www.seowebsitepromotion.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 2

RE: [WSG] Site Critique

2004-05-29 Thread Mike Pepper
Sure that wasn't a Bacardi & Coke there Bob ;o) Mike Pepper -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rev. Bob 'Bob' Crispen Sent: 29 May 2004 14:48 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Site Critique The voices are telling me

[WSG] IE Max-width Emulation and Auto Centre

2004-05-31 Thread Mike Pepper
o-centre but I'm holding each model as a constrained image and text within a single href. There are ways to achieve this by folding each href in a but I'm looking for an elegant solution. Would appreciate some guru feedback. Cheers all, Mike Pepper Accessible Web

RE: [WSG] IE Max-width Emulation and Auto Centre

2004-05-31 Thread Mike Pepper
>I've built the site to sit in 640 and 800 elastic windows and have ... Not elastic at all; fluid -- like my head after a day of it :o) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Pepper Sent: 31 May 2004 19:40 To: WSG Subject: [WSG] IE M

RE: [WSG] Should web standards cost more?

2004-06-01 Thread Mike Pepper
the basic commonsense arguments for promoting standards-compliant and accessible development. But to return to the point: should you charge more? Yes. Because your development practices will ensure your clients earn a better ROI. In the business world that's all that matters. Mike

RE: [WSG] Anti-spam mailto encoders using Character Entity Evasion

2004-06-03 Thread Mike Pepper
Jaime, Just use http://www.seowebsitepromotion.com/obfuscate_email.asp. Might prove useful and does it all for you, including complete mail-to strings. Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer (with a headache because he's been on the system way too long) http://www.seowebsitepromotio

RE: [WSG] Anti-spam mailto encoders using Character Entity Evasion

2004-06-03 Thread Mike Pepper
which is a bonus), although one is an internationally recognised standards format (ISO). There is no 'secure' format because if a browser can display it, a programmer can read it. But it'll keep the kids at bay :o) Cheers, Mike Pepper Accessible Web Develop

RE: [WSG] Make em' pay for IE

2004-06-03 Thread Mike Pepper
Nothing like a bit of commercial suicide to thin the web development ranks :o) Mike Pepper (Nearly exhausted) Accessible Web Developer www.seowebsitepromotion.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mordechai Peller Sent: 04 June 2004 00:24 To

RE: [WSG] Anti-spam mailto encoders using Character Entity Evasion

2004-06-04 Thread Mike Pepper
rvesters will easily circumvent the obfuscation. This is a damage limitation exercise. In this war of attrition, any counter-measure is better than none. A 'What's the point attitude' is defeatist. --- Mike Pepper Accessible Web

RE: [WSG] Anti-spam mailto encoders using Character Entity Evasion

2004-06-04 Thread Mike Pepper
fessional harvesters will easily circumvent the obfuscation. This is a damage limitation exercise. In this war of attrition, any counter-measure is better than none. A 'What's the point attitude' is defeatist. --- Mike Pepper Accessible Web

Re: [WSG] Centering a liquid grid of image thumbs and captions

2004-06-05 Thread Mike Pepper
ner and bulk the markup or use semantically incorrect cells and bulk up the CSS to cope with IE's shortcomings. Funnily enough, the client previewed the near-finished site update yesterday and was delighted ... then asked if I could centre the thumbs ... I shall endeavour to persevere :o) There

RE: [WSG] Standards Compliance -vs- User Enjoyment

2004-06-05 Thread Mike Pepper
unctional. Then you can consider all the 'Wow, that's cool' bits with CSS rollovers, etc.   (Incidentally, well written Flash does not mean inaccessible; it's just another tool.)   Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer (on a roll) www.seowebsitepromotion.com www.gawds.org  

RE: [WSG] Centering a liquid grid of image thumbs and captions

2004-06-05 Thread Mike Pepper
alidates the results. This is a table; rows and columns point to specific cells; rows and columns have meaning. Move the cell values within the grid and the results are nonsense. Not so with a sequence of images (unless, of course, you're ordering them alphabetically but that's not

RE: [WSG] Centering a liquid grid of image thumbs and captions

2004-06-05 Thread Mike Pepper
My hovercraft is full of eels ;o) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of 7 sinz Sent: 05 June 2004 12:07 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] Centering a liquid grid of image thumbs and captions i wasnt talking to you ;) >From: "Mik

RE: [WSG] Centering a liquid grid of image thumbs and captions

2004-06-05 Thread Mike Pepper
markup. Put another way: is CSS often used as a hammer to crack a peanut? Good point, Rick. Mike Pepper (practical) Accessible Web Developer www.seowebsitepromotion.com www.gawds.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rick Faaberg Sent: 05 June

RE: [Spam] Re: [WSG] Centering a liquid grid of image thumbs and captions

2004-06-05 Thread Mike Pepper
Far out! Kristof, well done, mate :o) Big smiley for you. Now just to implement it ... Many thanks, Mike Pepper (grateful) Accessible Web Developer www.seowebsitepromotion.com www.gawds.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kristof

RE: [Spam] Re: [WSG] Centering a liquid grid of image thumbs and captions

2004-06-06 Thread Mike Pepper
in:- I am looking for a standard structure, a list (ul, li ...) which holds images and associated captions centred in a fluid container. e.g. - <-- [img] [img] [img] [img] [img] ... -> <-- [img] [img] [img] [img] [img] ... -> <-- [img] [img] [img] -> Any takers?

RE: [WSG] Centering a liquid grid of image thumbs and captions

2004-06-06 Thread Mike Pepper
Been there, Nick -- I am looking for a standard structure, a list (ul, li ...) which holds images and associated captions centred in a fluid container. e.g. - <-- [img] [img] [img] [img] [img] ... -> <-- [img] [img] [img] [img] [img] ... -> <-- [img] [img] [img] -> That's what w

RE: [WSG] Centering a liquid grid of image thumbs and captions

2004-06-06 Thread Mike Pepper
mg] [img] [img] ... -> <-- [img] [img] [img] [img] [img] ... -> <-- [img] [img] [img] -> (I know I've posted this twice before but it seems that people are missing the point, the nub of the requirement: centred within a container.) Mike Pepper (optimist

RE: [WSG] What Editors do you guys use?

2004-06-06 Thread Mike Pepper
John, Without a doubt, TopStyle Pro 3.1 is the best around http://www.bradsoft.com/topstyle/index.asp. A bold statement but I've used a few and have settled on Nick's Delphi-written combined editor for about 15 months. It's a delight to use and extremely flexible, configuration-wis

RE: [WSG] What Editors do you guys use? [Please reply to the poster that asked now]

2004-06-06 Thread Mike Pepper
... But it's ok to have a dig at the Aussie PM ;o) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peter Firminger Sent: 06 June 2004 12:10 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] What Editors do you guys use? [Please reply to the poster that asked now] Is

RE: [WSG] Centering a liquid grid of image thumbs and captions

2004-06-06 Thread Mike Pepper
I'll begin there and work my way to the bounding containers. Of course, it may not be possible, but in my experience there is *always* a way. Just a question of finding it. ... and then if falls apart in Explorer ... Cheers, Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer (indoors when it's

RE: [WSG] What to do?

2004-06-06 Thread Mike Pepper
Title: [WSG] What to do? Dante,   Best by example: rebuild without tables and say, Hey, this is how easy it is, would you like me to do the rest for you? As it's a non-profit org, they will likely be concerned about bandwidth and if, as you say, the site proves popular, the bandwidth will go

RE: [WSG] getting ride of table layout

2004-06-07 Thread Mike Pepper
Well said, mate. There's no need to convert to divs because you're using a table as it should be used. Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer www.seowebsitepromotion.com www.gawds.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Russ Weakley -

RE: [WSG] OT: time delay for messages to appear on the list

2004-06-07 Thread Mike Pepper
I'd wondered at that, Pat. At first joining I was double posting. Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer () www.seowebsitepromotion.com www.gawds.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Patrick Lauke Sent: 07 June 2004 11:39 To: [EMAIL PROT

RE: [WSG] KHTML ??

2004-06-10 Thread Mike Pepper
http://developer.kde.org/documentation/library/kdeqt/kde3arch/khtml/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jad Madi Sent: 10 June 2004 14:11 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] KHTML ?? guys what is KHTML ? -- http://www.jadmadi.net/

RE: [WSG] First table-free site

2004-06-11 Thread Mike Pepper
ing to the accessibility of the page, you may want to make it a background image to the banner div by sticking the image reference in the CSS using -- #banner { background: transparent url(../media/webheader.jpg) no-repeat top right; padding: 0; margin-bottom: 5px; } Have a good one, Mike Pepper

RE: [WSG] First table-free site

2004-06-11 Thread Mike Pepper
Please remember, David, you knew nothing of CSS a few years ago. That should have been a PM to Russ or Peter. I find this list stimulating in its diversity of content and skills range; this is a standards group, not MENSA. Mike Pepper Accessible (and still learning) Web Developer

RE: [WSG] Fwd: links dont work in ie6

2004-06-12 Thread Mike Pepper
height: 101px; text-align: left; } and bring a little sunshine into your life :o) Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer www.seowebsitepromotion.com www.gawds.org hello everybody, ok. this seems to be the right time for my first posting on this great list which im enjoying very m

RE: Re[2]: [WSG] Fwd: links dont work in ie6

2004-06-12 Thread Mike Pepper
Sorry Alex -- margin: 0 auto; in the #container id will do it. Have a good one, Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer www.seowebsitepromotion.com www.gawds.org Hello Mike, thanx a lot. now it's cool for ie but at least in opera & mozilla ist's not centered anymore. please don&

RE: Re[2]: [WSG] Fwd: links dont work in ie6

2004-06-12 Thread Mike Pepper
ent browser and their respective versions handle them differently. Some developers use them for artificial layering -- which is not good practice as there are other tools for the job and besides, not all browsers render elements sequentially which can lead to some weird results. Mike Pepper Acc

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