Re: [WSG] XHTML Repost

2004-01-04 Thread Nick Lo
Anyone else confused? I read through the WSG thread that came from and followed up a lot of the links and if like me you're making the transition to stronger use of CSS based development the xhtml v's html issue seems to be summarised like this: The issue seems to be whether you are using

Re: [WSG] XHTML Repost

2004-01-04 Thread Nick Lo
Hello The Moose, Anyone else confused? As to the purpose of this being resent - yes. Not sure what you mean by that, where does the suggestion of resent come in? I read through the WSG thread that came from and followed up a lot of the links and if like me you're making the transition to

Re: [WSG] XHTML Repost

2004-01-04 Thread Nick Lo
Hi Peter, Moose meant re-sent (reposted)... Unfortunate that the word can be read two ways. Aha... re-sent / resent of course ...sorry Moose, although I'm sure you understand my bemusement at the latter meaning. As I re-posted it, I'll say why I did. There have been a lot of new members

Re: [WSG] good coding app

2004-01-08 Thread Nick Lo
I can absolutely vouch for jEdit which I'm using to write PHP, HTML, CSS, SQL, etc ..., on Mac OS X 10.2.8 on a B/W G3, so a system already on the slow side. It's performance is somewhat slow (again on my already slow system) for some things e.g. for scrolling through a large document, but

Re: [WSG] setting up a PX with old browsers

2004-01-21 Thread Nick Lo
Hi Peter, You might like to read this for one: Multiple IE's in Windows http://www.insert-title.com/web_design/?page=articles/dev/multi_IE ...and while the topic is raised. I'd be interested how others are doing their cross browser testing, browser cam, Mac with Virtual PC, multiple boxes,

Re: [WSG] CD Navigation

2004-01-21 Thread Nick Lo
Hi Gavin, The most immediate thing is the fact that the expandable lists don't expand or collapse at least on Safari in my brief test. Following on from what Hugh Todd said about the Javascript being IE targeted you might find this useful:

Re: [WSG] reply to Safari question

2004-02-04 Thread Nick Lo
Here's how to enable it: http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20030110063041629 However, before you get too excited it can pretend to be a bunch of different browsers merely refers to it's ability to set the User Agent HTTP header to say it's another browser. Useful e.g. when online

Re: [WSG] DTDS and which to use?

2004-02-24 Thread Nick Lo
Hi Jaime, Slightly off the discussion but I can't help thinking that if I was you in that chain of command... Client --- Design Firm --- Subcontracted Freelancer -- Sub-subcontracted You ...I'd be very wary of work that has supposedly strict guidelines to follow yet the flow of project

Re: [WSG] A new standards based smh.com.au/technology

2004-02-25 Thread Nick Lo
Hi Pete, Funny, I was going to mention this to the list but I hesitated. However, after your reply below I'm glad Tim didn't hesitate. I don't know about anyone else, but your reasons why, coming from such a high profile site, are a great advertisement/example to Australian clients of

Re: [WSG] silly question about meta tags

2004-02-25 Thread Nick Lo
Hi Peter, Put them on every page of your site and ideally they should be specific to that page...as in This page is about... type stuff. Nick Dumb question but ... Do you repeat your META tags on every page of your site, or only the index page? Thanks Peter

Re: [WSG] Coding Standard...

2004-02-29 Thread Nick Lo
Don't forget that it also has a lot to do with what you're using to edit the files. I use jEdit with it's folding functionality set to indent which means... div.row span.left { float: left; text-align: left; font-weight: bold; color: #fff; width: 49%; }

Re: [WSG] Purpose of this mailing list

2004-03-09 Thread Nick Lo
Hi Mike, I understand what you're getting at however I think you need to invert the way you're looking at it and see the increasing volume of quality posts as well. Personally, I think this is a great list and yes there are times when I think this or that post could have held off posting.

Re: [WSG] Next Sydney meeting - a fantastic guest presenter

2004-03-18 Thread Nick Lo
On that note have you considered just releasing it straight on to video or dvd and selling it? It'd be a laborious job to have to edit and web format all that footage and equally laborious to have to watch it via the web. I think this kind of thing (especially a run through of how blind users

Re: [WSG] [CSS] IE6 header issue.

2004-03-20 Thread Nick Lo
Dear me, little obvious that I've been slogging through this to the point of eye twitching...the URL is: http://www.amcs.org.au ...and thanks again Russ, Nick No objections to any of my templates being used partially or fully. They were put online to be used and/or abused as needed :) Russ

Re: [WSG] [CSS] IE6 header issue.

2004-03-21 Thread Nick Lo
Hi Jeff, Looks like it may have worked...thanks very much...and to all the others that could've helped if I'd included the URL! Nick Hi Nick Try: H1 {position: relative;} This might help; I came up against the same problem in IE6 and found that this fixed the problem. Jeff

Re: [WSG] drop down menus

2004-03-21 Thread Nick Lo
Hi Peter, I feel the same way however I'm working on tidying a variation of drop-down navigation at http://www.amcs.org.au right now and this one does have some benefits. For one since it's just an HTML list it actually places what's almost a site map on every page which should be good for

Re: [WSG] drop down menus

2004-03-21 Thread Nick Lo
Hi Peter, The problem with this method is that it confuses the user. I looked at this site last night with your previous problem and was very surprised by the action when I clicked on About AMCS. Clicking on a navbar item should do what all other navbars do, take you to the page. Visually,

Re: [WSG] Thanks messages

2004-03-21 Thread Nick Lo
Or...how about drawing a clear conclusion to the problem. It's a bit frustrating going through list/forum archives when a thread covering a problem that seems to be like your own suddenly dries up. If the thanks specifies the solution to the problem then I think it's very valuable. Perhaps we

[WSG] Accessible Web Typography - reading link

2004-03-23 Thread Nick Lo
Just came across this... http://www.scotconnect.com/webtypography/index.php Nick * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help

[WSG] Article - The Way Forward with Web Standards

2004-04-06 Thread Nick Lo
Not sure if it's been pointed to: By MACCAWS: MACCAWS' mission is to provide Web authors with the resources necessary to promote Web standards as a commercially desirable choice for clients. http://www.maccaws.org/kit/way-forward/ Nick *

[WSG] Trimming the fat from CSS

2004-04-15 Thread Nick Lo
Does everyone else on the list do this? For the sake of 11k that is cached on the first page load it seems a little drastic. I do programming work as well as markup and the indentation/formatting of the code is very important in producing readable code. If it was only me looking at the CSS

Re: [WSG] Trimming the fat from CSS

2004-04-15 Thread Nick Lo
Yeah pretty well what I was thinking I mean in practice CSS files are often shared and the very process of using CSS based layouts v's tables already trims a huge load off the page size anyway. It just seemed almost scarily ...thorough... to be trimming the stylesheet in this way as well.

Re: [WSG] Trimming the fat from CSS

2004-04-15 Thread Nick Lo
Hi Brian, You seem to be getting jumped on a bit for this and I'd say it's largely a matter of preference so a little pointless to go on at length about. However, you are inviting comment by saying bloat and that is all the stuff that makes code pretty and easily readable by inexperienced

[WSG] Form submission: CAPTCHA test and accessibility

2004-04-15 Thread Nick Lo
I was wondering if any of you had opinions/thoughts on the use of CAPTCHA tests (or whatever proper name is given to the little numbered images used to verify a form submitting user is human and not a spamming machine). They are obviously a reaction to the ever increasing amounts of spam

Re: [WSG] Form submission: CAPTCHA test and accessibility

2004-04-16 Thread Nick Lo
What annoys me is that with the proliferation of this sort of thing, people will get used to it, accept it, then not really notice that they have to do it all the time, and then no one will realise that we've just condemned visually impaired users (and anyone else who can't load images for

Re: [WSG] Making Dreamweaver's Rollover JS accessible

2004-04-18 Thread Nick Lo
What is ecma? Standards organisation: http://www.ecma-international.org/ of which... http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-262.htm ...is the standard for ECMAScript scripting language which is essentially javascript standardised. Flash's actionscript is also based on

[WSG] Objective look at tables for layout

2004-05-13 Thread Nick Lo
Via Mezzoblue: http://www.mezzoblue.com/archives/2004/05/13/gasp_tables/index.php * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help

Re: [WSG] digital web magazine redesign

2004-05-14 Thread Nick Lo
Well to bring it tenuously back on topic... Take a look at some of the features on that page then take a trip to alistapart.com with a checklist: Mountaintop Corners Sliding Doors etc... ...and I forget where I've seen that background quotes idea before. What I'm driving at is not that the

Re: [WSG] Tables are bad because...

2004-05-14 Thread Nick Lo
Although as I'd already posted today... http://www.mezzoblue.com/archives/2004/05/13/gasp_tables/index.php ...has an objective look at it. How about this article, helpfully titled Why tables for layout is stupid. http://www.hotdesign.com/seybold/ Also, I highly recommend Jeffrey Zeldman's

Re: [WSG] digital web magazine redesign

2004-05-14 Thread Nick Lo
Ha funny, I've been pointing to... http://www.mezzoblue.com/archives/2004/05/13/gasp_tables/index.php ...which was pointing to your weblog and here you are on the list anyway! Next time I should just check the roster and leave you to respond to the Tables are bad because... posts! Nick

Re: [WSG] Action to force browser developers to clean up their act

2004-06-08 Thread Nick Lo
The first step should be a clear and unequivocal statement that we will not write fixes for new non-compliant browsers. Design a new Browser by all means, but make it compliant. By non-compliant you mean that they do not adhere to the standards put down by the W3C whose role is the development

Re: [WSG] Standard Hacks?

2004-06-09 Thread Nick Lo
I think that's a great idea actually. In theory yes we should all avoid hacks but there are a few reasons where a big fat list of the standard hacks, reasons for use and pros and cons would be useful... 1. If a deadline is looming and a hack will temporarily get you through it without

Re: [WSG] Standard Hacks?

2004-06-09 Thread Nick Lo
I just think it is a little simplistic and idealistic to tell newcomers to css that all hacks are bad. Good post Scott...It's a relief seeing real world scenarios used to backup reasons and choices. I'm often surprised at the number of educate your clients to understand why they cannot have

[WSG] Article: The real reason you should care about web standards

2004-06-12 Thread Nick Lo
http://www.designbyfire.com/99.html * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help

[WSG] Order of a state (link, visited, etc) styles in a stylesheet

2004-06-17 Thread Nick Lo
This question is not really very easily Googlable so I'm posting it here. I vaguely remember reading that the order in which a state styles appeared in a stylesheet was important. I made a rough memory recall thingy: LoVe HAte (not an acronym but must have some official name) to stand for:

Re: [WSG] Does anybody know an expandable vertical css/js menu based on uls?

2004-07-09 Thread Nick Lo
Hi Gerd, You mean a bit like one I have at: http://www.amcs.org.au Which is based on... http://www.gazingus.org/html/Using_Lists_for_DHTML_Menus.html Nick Hi Folks! Could one of you please point me to a vertical menu solution based on css/js and semantically structured by ul/li's? I'd love to

Re: [WSG] Sportwear/fashion sites using web standards

2004-07-14 Thread Nick Lo
Via http://www.webstandardsawards.com : http://www.esfootwear.com Nick Hi Folks, I was just wondering if anybody can point me in the direction of a sportswear or fashion site using web standards? Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ * The

[WSG] Word documents saved as html and cleaned.

2004-08-24 Thread Nick Lo
Hello, I'm currently re-reviewing means to allow my client (a non-profit org) to add formatted articles to a content management system. I've spent a good while reviewing the alternatives from in-browser wysiwyg's/ javascript driven tag generator/html editors to something external like Mozilla

Re: [WSG] Word documents saved as html and cleaned.

2004-08-24 Thread Nick Lo
Hi Jonothan, Yeah, I'd considered that for the future however right now as far as I know Word 2004 on the Mac does not have the ability to save as XML. Since one of the users is a Mac user (so am i in fact) that solution will have to wait. Thanks, Nick My recommendation would be to create an

Re: [WSG] Word documents saved as html and cleaned.

2004-08-24 Thread Nick Lo
Hi Neerav, In fact much like my last reply to Jonothan I'd also considered doing that, with PHP 5 having the Tidy extension, as a future thing. Thanks, Nick Ive never tried it but AFAIK Tidy http://tidy.sourceforge.net/ can be used server side to clean up code on POST eg:

Re: [WSG] list of well constructed websites

2004-08-26 Thread Nick Lo
http://www.stylegala.com motivated by the recent email about http://www.chevrolet.com  is there an up to date list of well constructed websites that use CSS. - Roly ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of

Re: [WSG] Standards-based PHP tutorials for beginners...

2004-09-08 Thread Nick Lo
Hi Michael, One thing I'd suggest if you're learning PHP is to from the very start try as much as possible to avoid having PHP generate your HTML (as in your example). I started coding PHP over 4 years ago using an e-commerce system that generated large amounts of the HTML and I still now

Re: [WSG] My Favorite XHTML/CSS/JavaScript/PHP Editor - NO WYSIWYG

2004-09-18 Thread Nick Lo
jEdit: http://www.jedit.org/ ...and be sure to check out the recommended plugins in the jEdit Wiki: http://community.jedit.org/cgi-bin/TWiki/view/Main/PluginsOverview Nick Greetings Every One!   After 1st Page 2000, I'm using AceHTML 5 Pro to build websites (info: http://www.visicommedia.com/).

Re: [WSG] A Church Website

2004-09-21 Thread Nick Lo
If you mean his personal site at... http://www.olajideolaolorun.com/ ...you may have missed down the bottom... Olajide Olaolorun is proudly powered by WordPress 1.2 ...which indicates it actually probably isn't his code anyway. Nick h. what can i say? is this a joke? because i compared

Re: [WSG] ol start attribute deprecated in XHTML 1.0 Strict and up.

2004-09-24 Thread Nick Lo
. Nick Nick Lo wrote: COASTAL DEVELOPMENT 4. Mayor Casts Doubt Over Magnetic Is Report (Great Barrier Reef) 5. Hope for Maldives Rises from the Sea (Maldives) ...and looking at the how of doing that; ol start=4 I came up with something. While it's not perfect

[WSG] Accessibility : Turing/CAPTCHA test

2004-10-14 Thread Nick Lo
A while ago I brought up the topic of the Turing/CAPTCHA test on forms and whether it restricted accessibility on forms. The general opinion was of course that it does. I just found this article: My article about Turing Protection generated lots of comments about how using image CAPTCHAs

Re: [WSG] Mac site check please...

2004-09-27 Thread Nick Lo
Hi Francesco, It has some issues in earlier versions of IE PC You might want to check out (Just got my multiple versions of IE installed ( http://www.skyzyx.com/archives/94.php ) so it's nice to be able to say that! ). I had a quick look in IE Mac and it does have a few things needing

[WSG] Yahoo CSS'ing

2004-09-29 Thread Nick Lo
http://9rules.com/whitespace/css_redesigns/yahoo_css_redesign.php ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in

Re: [WSG] Yahoo CSS'ing

2004-09-29 Thread Nick Lo
I agree it appears that way now but I think it's a little too easy/early to suggest it is and will end up that way. In that respect it'll be interesting to watch it develop. On a site of this massive scale I'd be very surprised if there are not a bunch of pretty screwed on heads knocking

[WSG] Another proper use of dl's question

2004-10-06 Thread Nick Lo
Pondering over this one: I'm presuming a list of links with their short intros like e.g. news articles: dl dta href=cow_jumps_over_moon.html ... Cow jumps over moon/a/dt ddAn unnamed cow has been seen jumping over the moon say residents.../dd dta href=dish_spoon.html ... Dish runs

Re: [WSG] Another proper use of dl's question

2004-10-07 Thread Nick Lo
been seen jumping over the moon say residents.../p /li li h2a href=dish_spoon.html ... Dish runs away with spoon/a/h2 pThe mystery continues as crockery takes to the streets.../p /li /ul And also quite a bit more elegant, IMO. Cheers, Cam Nick Lo wrote: Pondering over this one: I'm presuming

[WSG] Zeroing default padding/margin

2004-10-17 Thread Nick Lo
I was just reading the article excerpted below and was curious as to how many on the list have used this technique of initially setting all padding and margins to 0 and if so how successful was it? A big part of dealing with cross-browser

Re: [WSG] Zeroing default padding/margin

2004-10-17 Thread Nick Lo
Thanks for the reply Russ, I agree that it's really down to the situation. Some further thoughts from your points: Smaller sites would presumably have less people working on them and therefore the issue of confusion is possibly less relevant, though the problem of verbosity may be. On the

Re: [WSG] Zeroing default padding/margin

2004-10-18 Thread Nick Lo
Hi Andrew, Thanks for posting the article in the first place, I should've known the writer would've been on this list! Anyway, I like the idea and I have a suspicion it'll work pretty well for my needs. I just tried it in a site I'm working on and it actually didn't break much and in fact I

[WSG] select as form label

2004-10-21 Thread Nick Lo
Hello, This example below... p label class=blank for=input_phone_1 select name=input_phone_1_type id=input_phone_1_type option value=Please Select/option option value=work selected=selectedwork/option option value=homehome/option option

Re: [WSG] select as form label

2004-10-21 Thread Nick Lo
name=input_phone_1 id=input_phone_1 value= /p As I've just put at... http://www.trikeinteractive.com/form_example.html ...as an example. Note there is no actual text as would normally be within the label tags but instead another form element. Thanks, Nick Nick Lo wrote: So my question is really

Re: [WSG] select as form label

2004-10-21 Thread Nick Lo
Thanks Nick, Well, no... but it needs to be used correctly. The label element allows the text label for a form input to become 'live' (ie clickable) to enlarge the target for, say, a radio button - but it needs to wrap around the element it refers to. You have the label for id=input_phone_1

Re: [WSG] select as form label

2004-10-21 Thread Nick Lo
Wow, so many responses... must type fast...just knocked up what must be a better solution: http://www.trikeinteractive.com/form_example.html However notice how the first is actually less laborious visually in terms of how we use desktop applications. I'm thinking of for example OS X Address

[WSG] Solutions for testing in speech/text readers

2004-10-21 Thread Nick Lo
Steven Faulkner just made me realise I've not yet seen or asked about set-ups for actually testing sites using speech/text readers. There are plenty of articles on browser testing but how would you go about setting up an environment for testing via speech/text readers. I use a Mac for

Re: [WSG] select as form label

2004-10-21 Thread Nick Lo
Hi Steven, Yes that's a solution I'd considered and on thinking about it/reading that article I realised yet another point: I use the label class to indicate required elements. So if this part of the form was submitted but not filled in: label class=blank for=input_phone_2_typePhone Type/label

Re: [WSG] Solutions for testing in speech/text readers

2004-10-21 Thread Nick Lo
Hello again, Wow, I have to say I expected a short list but not as few as that. I know of course about JAWS but the pricing is quite prohibitive. It really is an area crying out for some open source input as in: http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gap/AT/Gnopernicus/ Sad, as although there are

Re: [WSG] select as form label

2004-10-21 Thread Nick Lo
Hi Lea, have you looked a the fieldset tag? Its useful for grouping fields together. Yes, in fact that example is an excerpt from a larger form that is enclosed in a fieldset with a legend. Though what my example highlighted was the finer points of accessibility I wasn't capturing. Thanks, Nick

Re: [WSG] dublin core and search engines

2004-10-25 Thread Nick Lo
I've partly incorporated Dublin Core into an NGO site I'm working on so I'm very interested to hear how you go with this Ted. I'd say even though this is not the right place for an SEO discussion, if the discussion is in regards to being penalised for implementing what is the main metadata

Re: [WSG] dublin core and search engines

2004-10-25 Thread Nick Lo
Correction: Before: The Australian Government has incorporated Dublin Core into it's AGLS Metadata Standard... http://www.naa.gov.au/recordkeeping/gov_online/agls/summary.html ...and I'd be surprised if there is no-one on this list that has had no dealings there. If there are perhaps they'd

Re: [WSG] Target Attributes

2004-10-25 Thread Nick Lo
I had the same question with the same use in mind: web applications. What you're presumably driving at is that pages look to need be either XHTML 1.0 Transitional or Frameset in order to allow the target attribute. The question that follows from that, albeit somewhat academic at this stage, is

[WSG] Web Standards Eye Candy: http://www.scottschiller.com/

2004-11-12 Thread Nick Lo
Smells like Flash but isn't: http://www.scottschiller.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help

Re: [WSG] Web Standards Eye Candy: http://www.scottschiller.com/

2004-11-12 Thread Nick Lo
I'm a Mac/Linux-on-occasion/PC-only-when-I-have-to user so I could be wrong but: !-- SCOTTSCHILLER V4.04: Now with more funk. -- !-- -- !-- This code may contain questionable ECMA- -- !-- script practices. Particularly in terms -- !-- of object-oriented,

[WSG] Unwanted gaps between divs

2004-11-15 Thread Nick Lo
I'm having a little brain drain with spacing that I'd like help with. The layout on a page I'm working in is experiencing the same problem I can demonstrate better on Russ's example here: http://css.maxdesign.com.au/selectutorial/steps/step22.htm Imagine I want a background colour on the header

Re: [WSG] Unwanted gaps between divs

2004-11-15 Thread Nick Lo
By the way it can be solved by adding padding to it's container: div#content { margin-left: 190px; margin-right: 200px; padding-top: 3pt; } However I'm still not clear why. Thanks, Nick I'm having a little brain drain with spacing that I'd like help with. The layout on a page I'm working in is

Re: [WSG] Font size

2004-11-17 Thread Nick Lo
Hi Felix, Nothing fundamentally wrong with your arguments but to balance them a little I had a client just recently ask for text to be made smaller (it wasn't in any way large) and they often ask for spacing to be reduced in order to get more content above the fold. I think pointing the blame

[WSG] Convincing usability/standards arguments

2004-11-21 Thread Nick Lo
I think Felix has put in a lot of time and effort with his work at... http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/wauth1.html ...and I found a lot of his demonstrations useful. So before I start I just wanted to thank him for his efforts before using his work as an example of perhaps part of why the

Re: [WSG] converting WORD text into clean XHTML

2004-11-22 Thread Nick Lo
I asked much the same question a little while back and what I got together was: First have the doc saved as HTML (Filtered) if it's coming from Word 2003 (earlier versions can get the filtered thingy someone else mentioned). Then in my case I wrote a filter for the content management system I

Re: [WSG] Sometimes you just cant help people ...

2004-11-24 Thread Nick Lo
To further that in a speech reader article passed on By Steven Faulkner ([WSG] Observing Users Who Work With Screen Readers ): http://www.redish.net/content/papers/InteractionsPaperAuthorsVer.pdf It says: 6. Many want to skip the navigation but do not do so. Many Web sites include a Skip

Re: [WSG] It's so frustrating. Webstandars, accesibility and Firefox as a sales argument.

2004-11-25 Thread Nick Lo
What you are really getting at is not so much that you charge more because you know about building accessible standards based websites but because your experience is broader. For example you can say ...and because the site is built this way it has such and such benefits to vision impaired

Re: [WSG] Applications that don't open in a new window

2004-11-25 Thread Nick Lo
Hi Priscilla, I develop in PHP (though the actual language is fairly irrelevant) and based on what you say it sounds like a fingers crossed approach to the problem. Not knowing the perspective of your developer I cannot say whether he is wrong or right, but I can say with absolute certainty

[WSG] Use of address

2004-11-29 Thread Nick Lo
I'm curious if and how you are all using the address tag. The HTML 4 spec has this to say: -- The ADDRESS element may be used by authors to supply contact information for a document or a major part of a document such as a form. This element often

Re: [WSG] Use of address

2004-11-29 Thread Nick Lo
Hi Patrick, On experimenting with it it also appears that address is an inline element so fails to validate if you put e.g. a dl inside it. From the XHTML 1.0 Transistional DTD: !-- information on author -- !ELEMENT address (#PCDATA | %inline; | %misc.inline; | p)* !ATTLIST address %attrs;

[WSG] Code or Markup

2004-12-01 Thread Nick Lo
This seems a silly question but it bounces about enough that whilst discussing it with a client I thought I'd put it to the list. During development when referring to HTML (and perhaps CSS) with a client do you use the term code or the more pedantically correct, though perhaps less recognised,

Re: [WSG] Code or Markup

2004-12-01 Thread Nick Lo
Well having moved into this from print markup is really more document related. A word document is marked up when you specify margins, headers, bold, etc., it is not coded (excluding the really pedantic fact that these days there is application code doing the work). Nick I tend to use 'code',

[WSG] Float problem (perhaps) in IE 5 on www.mccn.org.au

2004-12-14 Thread Nick Lo
I've just released... http://www.mccn.org.au/ ...and realised a little late that some last minute tweaks (possibly) have thrown out the Stay Informed column on the home page in PC IE 5. Usually I'd battle on and crack it but I'm a little battle weary and this seems to work fine in IE 6 PC, IE 5

Re: [WSG] Float problem (perhaps) in IE 5 on www.mccn.org.au

2004-12-14 Thread Nick Lo
Hi Bert, Being a minimalist, all those images for bullets do seem a little archaic. You should be able to achieve the same with css (non repeating background image and padding on the li/dd for instance). If nothing else, it cuts down on code and makes it easier to change the look of these

Re: [WSG] Float problem (perhaps) in IE 5 on www.mccn.org.au

2004-12-15 Thread Nick Lo
Hi Gunlaug, That was pretty well it. Note in your example the width is applied to the ul#subscribe li a which when taken literally was pretty silly and IE 5 took it literally; widening just the link in the ul to 285px. All I needed to do was move that width setting to the ul and the column is

Re: [WSG] GMail... Terrible!

2005-02-15 Thread Nick Lo
I think Scott touches on a good point here that GMail is really a web application and many of Google's current projects are really pushing into quite new areas, Google Maps in particular. I think the previous analogy from Andreas; why do we still bother with these useless ramps infront of

[WSG] Standards and site structuring

2005-02-21 Thread Nick Lo
Just out of interest what standards (in the sense of a generalised approach) are you all applying to site structuring? There is a well known article (that I cannot remember the URL for) that discusses the fairly accepted standards for a site like; Home, Contact Us, About Us, News, etc. So I

Re: [WSG] Standards and site structuring

2005-02-21 Thread Nick Lo
Ha ha, ok, welcome to the battle of the dictionaries. Yes I know it's not a formal standard as defined by any authority but it is a standard as established by it's common and accepted use. Anyway my question was what are people's thoughts about this. For example; I've heard developers complain

Re: [WSG] Standards and site structuring

2005-02-21 Thread Nick Lo
Well good question actually. I was initially just thinking of naming conventions (Title: About Us, file: about_us.html, etc) but that could well be extended. Common interface elements gets pretty in depth and likely well off on a tangent though. On the list we all spend a lot of time on what

Re: [WSG] Standards and site structuring

2005-02-21 Thread Nick Lo
Hi Rosemary, Ok, to answer your actual question not the one I thought you asked ... Actually I wasn't really asking a question as such, more opening up the discussion of what people thought, how they work, etc. So your first response was as correct as the second one. You basically said you do

Re: [WSG] Standards and site structuring

2005-02-21 Thread Nick Lo
Hi Rick, To kick off with an example would anyone say to a client We should probably call this Contact Us as everyone expects and homes in on that wording when they need make contact I think that becomes absurd really quick, and ultimately leads to software creating websites with no human

[WSG] IE 7.0 Details Begin to Leak

2005-03-15 Thread Nick Lo
Partner sources say Microsoft is wavering on the extent to which it plans to support CSS2 with IE 7.0. Developers have been clamoring for Microsoft to update its CSS support to support the latest W3C standards for years. But Microsoft is leaning toward adding some additional CSS2 support to IE

[WSG] Styling legend

2005-04-15 Thread Nick Lo
Hello all, Just wondering if anyone has had much success styling legend. I was picturing being able to do a rounded box in the style of A List Apart's mountaintop corners... http://www.alistapart.com/articles/mountaintop/ ...using the legend for the background top curves and the fieldset for

[WSG] Slashdot HTML 4.01 and CSS

2005-09-22 Thread Nick Lo
Slashdot HTML 4.01 and CSS After 8 years of my nasty, crufty, hodge podged together HTML, last night we finally switched over to clean HTML 4.01 with a full complement of CSS. While there are a handful of bugs and some lesser used functionality isn't quite done yet, the transition has gone

Re: [WSG] Top Ten Web Design Mistakes - yeah, right!

2005-10-04 Thread Nick Lo
I agree with Andreas to the degree that he is really saying this is not THE Top Ten Web Design Mistakes of 2005 but rather Top Ten Web Design Mistakes of 2005 according to subscribers of a newsletter directed at people interested in Jakob Nielsen's views on usability. In that respect it's a

Re: [WSG] Top Ten Web Design Mistakes - yeah, right!

2005-10-04 Thread Nick Lo
Name, Description, Date. You could then scan down a column, e.g. for a date, much more rapidly and it would encourage a description for each column. Nick On 4 Oct 2005, at 11:30 PM, Nick Lo wrote: I always find it amazing that useit.com has such standing when it is itself such an awkward

Re: Ouch- was: [WSG] Top Ten Web Design Mistakes - yeah, right!

2005-10-04 Thread Nick Lo
Hi Terrence, My post was not a personal attack on Nick, nor was it dismissive of his POV. Admittedly, I got the impression he was struggling to come up with an example of how alertbox is difficult to use and perhaps that has tainted my message, but I was genuinely interested in whether he

Re: [WSG] simplyaccessible.org

2005-10-11 Thread Nick Lo
I first wanted to say thanks to Derek and Graham for providing all this really great info. Not that I'm fussed and purely playing devil's advocate but I cannot help but see some kind of irony in having an accessibility guideline document in .doc format. It's like the righteous word scribed on

Re: [WSG] simplyaccessible.org

2005-10-12 Thread Nick Lo
Hi Graham, Producing a .doc may seem incongruous, but it is just one of around 150 documents covering all Telstra's online standards including wap, platform, styleguides information architecture etc. Yes, apologies for even alluding to that kind of hackneyed response. You now have me

Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript

2007-11-27 Thread Nick Lo
From: Breton Slivka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Of course if you don't feel like reading it, then don't. You have the reccomendations here for the books that have good information (Unless nobody has yet reccomended David Flanagan's Javascript: The Definative Guide). When you're ready for good information,

[WSG] Accessible likert scale (disagree/agree/strongly agree/etc) forms

2007-12-03 Thread Nick Lo
Hello All, I'm working on a Likert scale questionnaire (Strongly Agree/Agree/ Undecided/Disagree/Strongly Disagree) with 20 questions and some Googling came up with the following approach... http://www.enterpriseaccessibility.com/articles/ AccessibleRadioButtons.html ...and I was

Re: [WSG] Accessible likert scale (disagree/agree/strongly agree/etc) forms

2007-12-03 Thread Nick Lo
Hi Patrick, Actually I had already prepared one as an alternative version to discuss with the client so glad you brought it up independently. Nick On 04/12/2007, at 5:10 AM, Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Steve Green wrote: I recommend using label elements for each radio button and hiding them

Re: [WSG] Accessible likert scale (disagree/agree/strongly agree/etc) forms

2007-12-03 Thread Nick Lo
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Lo Sent: 03 December 2007 12:34 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Accessible likert scale (disagree/agree/strongly agree/etc) forms Hello All, I'm working on a Likert scale questionnaire (Strongly Agree/Agree/ Undecided/Disagree/Strongly Disagree) with 20

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