Re: [yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-26 Thread Petter K
Hi Andreas I agree with a lot of what you say, but you forget one thing when you talk about that there is more developers. There is not ONLY benefits with many developers. More opinions, more arguing, more organizing and more bullshit to get the same amount of work done. Of course there is

Re: [yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-26 Thread Andreas Girardet
Fellow Yoper Lovers,thanks for all of your hard work in the past and in the future. Walter and others who know me have recognized that my style actually made Yoper to what it is. My drive and energy made sure that1.) The Distro did install even in alpha versions on standard systems (laptops had is

Re: [yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-25 Thread Navin
hi,after all this confusion...im pretty much confused what is the goal of yoper...whether this goal is a fixed one or does it change according to release cycles...we need a clarity on this issue...andreas has a point to make...we r not strivin to be the next debian...stability can be reached @ some

Re: [yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-25 Thread Tobias Gerschner
Hi, I keep my comments short since I prefer a community driven decision supported by the majority. This surely makes things slower but at least it's better supported. 2006/5/26, Chakkaradeep C C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Hi all, On 5/25/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > I was a l

Re: [yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-25 Thread Chakkaradeep C C
Hi all,On 5/25/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:I was a little concerned about this.Is Yoper a community project with no real ownership, or are we doing this with the threat of Andreas pulling the Yoper name if we do not follow his wishes?I need to know now before devoting more time

Re: [yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-25 Thread Walter Hieber
I'm not Tobig or Chacks but here is my take: although your concerns are valid I seriously doubt that Yoper will crumble or get pulled away by Andreas. I would agree that the comments by Andreas were probably bad form especially since the project has really grown and now many people contribute

Re: [yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-25 Thread jelle wierdsma
Hi all,I agree with you David yoper v3 is a community based distro now .. like i said before not Andreas his child but more like his grandchild ..if he is going to be like a dictator .. it will scare lots of devs and users away .. this is not what we want .. and i dont think you want this either An

Re: [yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-25 Thread yoper-dev
I was a little concerned about this. Is Yoper a community project with no real ownership, or are we doing this with the threat of Andreas pulling the Yoper name if we do not follow his wishes? I need to know now before devoting more time to this. I have already purchased a laptop (although it w

Re: [yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-25 Thread Arnulf Pelzer
Moin, and re on the dev List. for me is kanotix at the moment state of the art of Distribution that i need to use. fast installable, all known and unknown device drivers in kernel include. eyecandy all around and top of integrating new techniques. They have scripts to integrate easy newest nvidia

Re: [yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-25 Thread mark
On Thursday 25 May 2006 10:43, Andreas Girardet wrote: > Folks > > you know me. I am no enemy of clear words and of action. > > Honestly, if the attitude of Yoper developers for Eye Candy is that back > wards, we might as well shut Yoper down. I will certainly not put my name > on the line for a di

Re: [yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-25 Thread jelle wierdsma
Hi all,I do agree with Andreas that to get Yoper V3 polished enough to get something great out .. we have lots of goals to achieve still ..it might take a year .. like he suggests .. in the meantime .. we have to keep updating packages .. like he said .. As to yoper being Andreas's his baby .. i r

Re: [yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-25 Thread Chakkaradeep C C
Hi all,On 5/25/06, Andreas Girardet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Folksyou know me. I am no enemy of clear words and of action. Honestly, if the attitude of Yoper developers for Eye Candy is that back wards, we might as well shut Yoper down. I will certainly not put my name on the line for a distro th

Re: [yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-25 Thread Fabian M. Schindler
Am Donnerstag, den 25.05.2006, 21:43 +1200 schrieb Andreas Girardet: > Are you guys still doing Yoper or would it not be better starting your > own distro? Maybe call if Flopper? No enemy of clear words? Okay, then here are mine: Get off your high horse. :) Let us build a stable system first. Wh

Re: [yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-25 Thread Andreas Girardet
Folksyou know me. I am no enemy of clear words and of action. Honestly, if the attitude of Yoper developers for Eye Candy is that back wards, we might as well shut Yoper down. I will certainly not put my name on the line for a distro that is: 1.) Unstable2.) Takes ages to install3.) Has absolutely

Re: [yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-24 Thread mark
On Thursday 25 May 2006 01:00, Tobias Gerschner wrote: > Hi, > > > is there any knowledge about slowing down systems with XGL ? Or are > these just assumptions ? I don't have reviewed this particular matter. > > FYI: I am somewhat locked away in my current location because the WLAN > here got down

Re: [yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-24 Thread Tobias Gerschner
Hi, is there any knowledge about slowing down systems with XGL ? Or are these just assumptions ? I don't have reviewed this particular matter. FYI: I am somewhat locked away in my current location because the WLAN here got down and I have to use public machines, where I obviously can't do much.

Re: [yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-24 Thread mark
On Wednesday 24 May 2006 15:46, Fabian M. Schindler wrote: > Here come my two cents: > > Humm... You make some good points, however, I agree that Xgl should be > > near the bottom of the priority list until Titanium. My goals for > > contributing to yoper is to get a stable working distro first. By

Re: [yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-24 Thread Fabian M. Schindler
Here come my two cents: > Humm... You make some good points, however, I agree that Xgl should be near > the bottom of the priority list until Titanium. My goals for contributing to > yoper is to get a stable working distro first. By my current observations, > the system itself is not very stab

Re: [yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-23 Thread yoper-dev
On Tuesday 23 May 2006 15:06, Andreas Girardet wrote: Humm... You make some good points, however, I agree that Xgl should be near the bottom of the priority list until Titanium. My goals for contributing to yoper is to get a stable working distro first. By my current observations, the system it

Re: [yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-23 Thread Andreas Girardet
Hi ChakWell, sure SUSE has a large amount of developers,  but it is actually not too hard really:1.) Yoper's aim is to be the best looking distro. How can you claim that if you do not have Xgl?2.) Yoper's goal is to be a great KDE desktop and even though Gnome has David Reeveman himself writing the

Re: [yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-21 Thread Chakkaradeep C C
Hi all,On 5/21/06, Tobias Gerschner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 2006/5/22, Andreas Girardet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:> RE XGL>> I think that version 3 has to have Xgl out of the box as it always has been> Yoper's strategy to implement anything Eyecandy oriented. SLED 10 will ship > with Xgl which certain

Re: [yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-21 Thread Tobias Gerschner
2006/5/22, Andreas Girardet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: RE XGL I think that version 3 has to have Xgl out of the box as it always has been Yoper's strategy to implement anything Eyecandy oriented. SLED 10 will ship with Xgl which certainly means it is ready for prime time. Hi, As you can see on the

Re: [yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-21 Thread Andreas Girardet
RE XGLI think that version 3 has to have Xgl out of the box as it always has been Yoper's strategy to implement anything Eyecandy oriented. SLED 10 will ship with Xgl which certainly means it is ready for prime time. AndreasOn 5/18/06, jelle wierdsma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi all,This all sound

Re: [yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-17 Thread jelle wierdsma
Hi all,This all sounds very good to me .. i guess it is very easy to conclude that we will never be a us-based distro .. with all the legal BS going on in the us .. they want to copy this mess over to the eu .. btw .. glad to say .. it is not so far yet :) I read something on osnews today that sun

Re: [yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-17 Thread Tobias Gerschner
> AFAIK, it really depends on where the distro is registrated. US-based > distros need to be way more careful with those patent-issues as e.g. > shipping mp3 support out of the box is considered illegal in the US, > while it is perfectly legal in many european countries. I don't know of > the curr

Re: [yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-17 Thread Chakkaradeep C C
Hi,On 5/17/06, Fabian M. Schindler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Did anyone follow the Kororoa issue with nvidia and ati> drivers on the livecd iso .. maybe it is best to download> these drivers from yoper ftp server after installation or > during installation to prev

Re: [yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-17 Thread Fabian M. Schindler
> Did anyone follow the Kororoa issue with nvidia and ati > drivers on the livecd iso .. maybe it is best to download > these drivers from yoper ftp server after installation or > during installation to prevent legal issues .. i guess the > same goes for m

Re: [yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-16 Thread Chakkaradeep C C
Hi all,On 5/17/06, jelle wierdsma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi all,i will work further on kat off course .. and we can include it if it is needed .. but so far i dont have an impression from kat .. that it is totally stable .. but we'll see .. it might also be interesting to build beagle as well .

Re: [yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-16 Thread jelle wierdsma
Hi all,i will work further on kat off course .. and we can include it if it is needed .. but so far i dont have an impression from kat .. that it is totally stable .. but we'll see .. it might also be interesting to build beagle as well .. this will take some time still .. i already looked a bit at

RE: [yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-16 Thread Walter Hieber
Java is vital for several programs like Azureus and many commercial apps. Luckily it now comes packaged with openoffice. I installed it using the source method but found that I had to add the path to the profile. The issues around openoffice is the way it integrates to the entire system. Take a lo

Re: [yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-16 Thread mark
On Tuesday 16 May 2006 03:23, Tobias Gerschner wrote: > Hi, > > after some discussion with people around these items were mentioned to > be mandatory in any desktop release today: > > - Native optimised Open Office support > - Mail Client that supports corporate mail systems (Exchange and GW) > - f

Re: [yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-15 Thread Chakkaradeep C C
Hi,On 5/16/06, Chakkaradeep C C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi All,On 5/16/06, Tobias Gerschner < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi,after some discussion with people around these items were mentioned tobe mandatory in any desktop release today:I was about to write a mail regarding this, and now its there

Re: [yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-15 Thread Chakkaradeep C C
Hi,On 5/16/06, Tobias Gerschner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: - flash and java support out of the box- Multimedia support out of the box This link should tell us the difficulties now :( http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ForbiddenItems#head-e52c1870d4467fe40c9da546fe3328e4a2430834 --Tobias GerschnerMembe

Re: [yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-15 Thread Chakkaradeep C C
Hi All,On 5/16/06, Tobias Gerschner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi,after some discussion with people around these items were mentioned tobe mandatory in any desktop release today:I was about to write a mail regarding this, and now its there :) - Native optimised Open Office support- Mail Client tha

[yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-15 Thread Tobias Gerschner
Hi, after some discussion with people around these items were mentioned to be mandatory in any desktop release today: - Native optimised Open Office support - Mail Client that supports corporate mail systems (Exchange and GW) - flash and java support out of the box - Multimedia support out of th