[Zen] Re: Yahoo! Zen Forum's Posting Policy

2013-06-27 Thread Bill!
All Members, I wasn't able to append it to the Forum's Home Page so I uploaded and saved it as a File. I've marked it to be sent as an attachment to an email to every member announcing it, sent to every new member when they sign up, and sent to every member once a month. We might revisit

[Zen] Re: Yahoo! Zen Forum's Posting Policy

2013-06-27 Thread Bill!
I just got the email. It's not an attachment but a link to the .pdf document. Anyway it will now be sent to all new members when they join - supposedly anyway...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Bill! BillSmart@... wrote: All Members, I wasn't able to append it to the Forum's Home

Re: [Zen] Re: moderation

2013-06-27 Thread 覺妙精明 (JMJM)
Hi Bill, As per Buddha's teaching, when we are attached to form, five poison arises. They are [greed], [anger], [delusion], [arrogance], [suspicion]. Buddha also remind us to avoid the four notions. They are notions of [self],[human][sentient being],[death]. Then Buddha asked us to drop the

[Zen] Re: moderation

2013-06-27 Thread Bill!
JMJM, So how do you insert these tags? ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, 覺妙精明 (JMJM) chan.jmjm@... wrote: Hi Bill, As per Buddha's teaching, when we are attached to form, five poison arises. They are [greed], [anger], [delusion], [arrogance], [suspicion]. Buddha

[Zen] Re: Posting and Replying Policy - Draft

2013-06-27 Thread Joe
Bill!, I would nominate Mike and Chris as possible Moderators-in-Waiting. --Joe / the-Immoderate Bill! BillSmart@... wrote: Mike, There are two of us so we will moderate ourselves. We will also listen to any complaints or suggestions any of you have. Also, if anyone wants to

RE: [Zen] Re: Posting and Replying Policy - Draft

2013-06-27 Thread uerusuboyo
Joe,br/br/Only if I get to wear a uniform, wield a big stick and have the power to arrest.br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad

[Zen] Re: Posting and Replying Policy - Draft

2013-06-27 Thread Joe
Mike, Now, I nominated you as a co-Moderator, not as a Ch'an / Zen Master!: uniform = Robe stick = Kyosaku / Shiang Ban arrest = arrest the illusory activity of the false mind But, I can make any sort of stick, to your specifications (send email). --Joe uerusuboyo@... wrote: Joe, Only if I

[Zen] Re: Fw: It was like Shiva dancing in rage

2013-06-27 Thread Joe
Suresh, Your approach seems good, and practical. I suppose there is a large weight of comfort in shared tradition, and in communal acceptance of outcomes, due to the understanding of karma that people hold. Perhaps comfort is not nearly the correct word, in the dire circumstances, however.

Re: [Zen] Re: Fw: It was like Shiva dancing in rage

2013-06-27 Thread Edgar Owen
@yahoogroups.com; Subject: [Zen] Re: Fw: It was like Shiva dancing in rage Sent: Thu, Jun 27, 2013 7:00:56 AM Dear Joe, I understand your concern. The members of other forum describe that catastrophe as order of god or fate or Karma. I oppose as it is nothing to do with god, fate or Karma

Re: [Zen] Re: Body surfing as practice

2013-06-26 Thread uerusuboyo
Chris,br/br/I try not to speak well of myself or poorly of others, no matter how much their idiocy seems to call out for mocking insults.br/br/Slipping it in thru the back door (not *that* back door!). Nice.br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad

Re: [Zen] Re: Body surfing as practice

2013-06-26 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
in my friends eyed. Mike Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad From: Chris Austin-Lane ch...@austin-lane.net; To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com; Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Body surfing as practice Sent: Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:54:14 AM This post was my response to you

[Zen] Re: Posting and Replying Policy - Draft

2013-06-26 Thread Bill!
Nighty-night all...I'll pick up any comments in the morning and we can get this finalized and in place. Thanks...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Bill! BillSmart@... wrote: This is the policy Edgar, Al and I have come up with regarding future Posts and Replies. Please review it and

RE: [Zen] Re: Posting and Replying Policy - Draft

2013-06-26 Thread uerusuboyo
Great. But who moderates the moderators?...br/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad

[Zen] Re: Posting and Replying Policy - Draft

2013-06-26 Thread Joe
Bill!, Edgar, Group, Thanks for airing the draft around and considering comments. The draft policy looks good to me. I will follow it or any other finalized one if implemented. I look on such a policy and its respect and enforcement as having the utmost value. On a point of operation, I

[Zen] Re: Posting and Replying Policy - Draft

2013-06-26 Thread pudgala2
Hello Bill!, I don't know how your email got through to me but I'm glad it did. It reads like something I could have written. I am in awe of Zen and enjoy expressing my understanding of it. I am now reconsidering posting here. Thank you, pudgala2 --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Bill!

Re: [Zen] Re: Posting and Replying Policy - Draft

2013-06-26 Thread Edgar Owen
Joe, Private or public either one fine with me... Edgar On Jun 26, 2013, at 5:15 PM, Joe wrote: Bill!, Edgar, Group, Thanks for airing the draft around and considering comments. The draft policy looks good to me. I will follow it or any other finalized one if implemented. I look

Re: [Zen] Re: Posting and Replying Policy - Draft

2013-06-26 Thread Edgar Owen
Pudgala, Thank you for your public support for our new policy and I as a moderator encourage you to post to the group... I also encourage all other lurker members to post also now that they needn't worry about overly harsh responses Best, Edgar On Jun 26, 2013, at 7:10 PM, pudgala2

[Zen] Re: Posting and Replying Policy - Draft

2013-06-26 Thread Joe
Bill!, Edgar, One of the weak characteristics of the YAHOO! Zen Forum is caused by the excess liberty that some posters take with changing the title of a thread. I see this as an extreme NEGATIVE. It destroys the integrity of a thread, where by integrity I do not mean some vague moral

[Zen] Re: Fw: It was like Shiva dancing in rage

2013-06-26 Thread Joe
Suresh, I'm sorry, and have to admit, I am lost. I ask your help. The considerations in your transferred post go well beyond my little knowledge of Hindu scripture and tradition. And because I lack the context of the original motivation for your posting, I don't feel enthusiastic to delve

Re: [Zen] Re: i'd rather be a tiger's burger

2013-06-25 Thread Merle Lester
SO?..what's your point joe?..merle   Merle, Ask Mike; Mike knows the story of the two brother-monks on pilgrimage, one of whom carried a woman across the river. I did in my reply mention organ donation. Both your monk and Tiger are DEAD: WHY are you still carrying them? --Joe Merle

[Zen] Re: white temple of thailand -

2013-06-25 Thread Bill!
Merle, No, I've never heard of it before. I binged it and it's near Chiang Mai which is in the extreme north east and near the Laos border. That's about a 10-hour drive from me. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote: you been there

[Zen] Re: dead ants - dead Zen!

2013-06-25 Thread Bill!
Joe, Couldn't you collect all that cat hair and make some lens covers for your various telescopes? ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Joe desert_woodworker@... wrote: Merle, I gather the cats' shed hair, on a grooming brush, and compost it along with kitchen scraps and yard

[Zen] Re: compassion for all

2013-06-25 Thread Bill!
Yeah Joe! Don't complain about the slight transgression of the 6th Precept in your fellow forum members' eye when there is a big fat cat hair-ball in your eye! ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:  joe..are you lecturing me?...  is there not

[Zen] Re: from [evol-psych] Dog finds another dog dead and buries it!

2013-06-25 Thread Bill!
Merle, Dogs, other canines, and many other predators bury bodies to preserve them so they can eat them later. But...if after they buried them they released balloons or lit candles I could be wrong... ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:

[Zen] Re: compassion for all

2013-06-25 Thread Bill!
Joe, I don't think Merle meant 'snipping', as in editing. I think she meant 'sniping', as in 'taking pot-shots'. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Joe desert_woodworker@... wrote: Merle, Folks have the full original posts. I preserve what I reply to, as is fitting. Full

Re: [Zen] Re: white temple of thailand -

2013-06-25 Thread Merle Lester
 bill,,, worth a visit, eh?,,merle   Merle, No, I've never heard of it before. I binged it and it's near Chiang Mai which is in the extreme north east and near the Laos border. That's about a 10-hour drive from me. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@...

Re: [Zen] Re: dead ants - dead Zen!

2013-06-25 Thread Merle Lester
   jesus bill..hair on telescopes that's a no no no no no no...merle   Joe, Couldn't you collect all that cat hair and make some lens covers for your various telescopes? ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Joe desert_woodworker@... wrote: Merle, I gather the cats' shed hair,

Re: [Zen] Re: from [evol-psych] Dog finds another dog dead and buries it!

2013-06-25 Thread Merle Lester
 bill..you said it not i... are you having 300 white balloons and 400 lit candles at your funeral?..merle   Merle, Dogs, other canines, and many other predators bury bodies to preserve them so they can eat them later. But...if after they buried them they released balloons or lit candles I

Re: [Zen] Re: compassion for all

2013-06-25 Thread Merle Lester
 no snipping bill..so joe can so neatly get his point and bugger the rest bit like those who snip bits out of the holy bible to make some absurd point merle   Joe, I don't think Merle meant 'snipping', as in editing. I think she meant 'sniping', as in 'taking pot-shots'. ...Bill! ---

[Zen] Re: white temple of thailand -

2013-06-25 Thread Bill!
Merle, Not for me. I have plenty to do here: weed the garden, wash dishes, unclog my toilet, feed my dogs, etc... ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:  bill,,, worth a visit, eh?,,merle   Merle, No, I've never heard of it before.

[Zen] Re: from [evol-psych] Dog finds another dog dead and buries it!

2013-06-25 Thread Bill!
Merle, No balloons or candles at my funeral. Just lots of bottles of ketchup. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:  bill..you said it not i... are you having 300 white balloons and 400 lit candles at your funeral?..merle   Merle, Dogs,

Re: [Zen] Re: from [evol-psych] Dog finds another dog dead and buries it!

2013-06-25 Thread Merle Lester
 full bottles?..merle   Merle, No balloons or candles at my funeral. Just lots of bottles of ketchup. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:  bill..you said it not i... are you having 300 white balloons and 400 lit candles at your

[Zen] Re: tell me why humans kill

2013-06-25 Thread Bill!
Merle, I cannot tell you why some humans take delight in killing and torturing because I do not take delight in those things. I'ts a mystery to me. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:  bill..we are going around in circles... animals do it

[Zen] Re: the mouse in the loo

2013-06-25 Thread Bill!
Merle, No mouse in my loo. There are occasionally ticks that we pick off our dogs and throw into the toilet, but no mice. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:   according to mike..you have a mouse in the loo? merle   Merle, Not for

Re: [Zen] Re: i'd rather be a tiger's burger

2013-06-25 Thread Edgar Owen
Joe, Sheng-yen is DEAD TOO. Why are YOU still carrying him? LOL! Tricked yourself again with your own words! Edgar On Jun 24, 2013, at 11:27 PM, Joe wrote: Merle, Ask Mike; Mike knows the story of the two brother-monks on pilgrimage, one of whom carried a woman across the river. I

[Zen] Re: i'd rather be a tiger's burger

2013-06-25 Thread Joe
Merle, The point is all available in the thread, thus far, if you would only comprehend it. It is there, available. The story of the itinerant monks, the river, and the woman is a good one. You've seen it come up here before. Put one and one together, and Voila, the point will be your own.

[Zen] Re: rise above the dogma

2013-06-25 Thread Joe
Merle, Take your bigotry and hide away with it. Why are you pretending to aggrandize yourself and slander others? Remember the Sixth Precept. Of Buddhism. --Joe Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote: and while i'm at it... i have a saying...once a catholic always a catholic.. at least

[Zen] Re: dead ants - dead Zen!

2013-06-25 Thread Joe
Bill!, That's intriguing. Tell me more, how to do it. Moths would eat such material, though. Yes, we have moth (larvae) in the desert! They don't need to drink water: They manufacture H2O from the H and O in organic materials, especially furs (viz., Wool, human hair, cat hair, goat hair).

[Zen] Re: compassion for all

2013-06-25 Thread Joe
Bill!, Well, Bill!, as you know, I don't complain. Just pointing at something with a slight Zen connection. Sorry to cloud the issue with facts! But maybe I *should* take a larger view, and truly lighten-up. Or I could try breathing a whiff of Helium from time to time. If nothing else, I

[Zen] Re: compassion for all

2013-06-25 Thread Joe
Bill!, I'd be glad if that's so, and would make proper apologies as warranted. But, I think it's otherwise. --Joe Bill! BillSmart@... wrote: I don't think Merle meant 'snipping', as in editing. I think she meant 'sniping', as in 'taking pot-shots'.

[Zen] Re: 25 Torture Methods

2013-06-25 Thread Joe
Merle, He's in trouble in the hospital. We may hear of the passing of a S. African ex-President soon. Bad pneumonia, both lungs, now. It isn't looking good. BTW, I almost worked at the Obs'y at Bloemfontein. There is no pinnacle of humanness. That disrespects humans. There is only

[Zen] Re: 25 Torture Methods

2013-06-25 Thread Joe
Merle, Saints are Catholic. But you admit you detest and hate Catholics. --Joe Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote: now tell me humans are on a higher plane ... check the link  saints are far and few between... Current Book Discussion: any Zen

[Zen] Re: compassion for all

2013-06-25 Thread Joe
Merle, you couldn't sit still for a recitation of the whole Bible. Get real. --J. Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote: no snipping bill..so joe can so neatly get his point and bugger the rest bit like those who snip bits out of the holy bible to make some absurd point

[Zen] Re: tell me why humans kill

2013-06-25 Thread Joe
Merle, It's due to the rising of the Three Poisons, which arise ENDLESSLY: Ignorance Hatred and Greed. It's these arisings which enable you to claim you hate Catholics, for example. Practice can keep us more free of the attachments which lead to the Poisons' sticking, when the Poisons arise.

[Zen] Re: ] plants do math

2013-06-25 Thread Joe
Merle, Looks like pepper plants. Cabbages in a grocery store also maintain, BTW, a diurnal rhythm. Their clock keeps up the daily cycle of light and dark as from when they were harvested, and certain chemicals go up and down in concentration in their leaves. In particular, the useful

[Zen] Re: Body surfing as practice

2013-06-25 Thread Joe
Chris, Seaside-sesshin! Sounds great. Be safe! Between sits, there's swim-hin. Mind the Breakers, and the non-mythical Under-Tow. Careful of the jellies. ...Just jealous! Record heat, here. Expect 111 tomorrow, 112 on Thurs., and 113 on Fri., then 111 on weekend. Long time since this

Re: [Zen] Re: compassion for all

2013-06-25 Thread Merle Lester
 joe..try me!..merle   Merle, you couldn't sit still for a recitation of the whole Bible. Get real. --J. Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote: no snipping bill..so joe can so neatly get his point and bugger the rest bit like those who snip bits out of the holy bible to make some

[Zen] Re: compassion for all

2013-06-25 Thread Joe
Merle, Lessee... well, there's an Audio Book. You'll have to try it yourself; I don't own it, and can't send it to you. I would and I could if I did but I don't so I won't. But, note: such posts may be off-topic, unwelcome, and offensive to un-named un-subscriber-lurkers; we may be driving

[Zen] Re: zen stick

2013-06-25 Thread Joe
Merle, It's just not polite speech. But, moreover, it's not Kind Speech. It's not speech between members of a sangha. It may be better used in private, than publicly. And it definitely is not appropriate, coming from a in-name-only supposed- Moderator of an internet forum. How do I know? I

[Zen] Re: blindness

2013-06-25 Thread Joe
Merle, You railed most recently against the Catholic lady with six kiddies, who you thanked for overpopulation, and claimed her spirituality was nonsense, and said she was stupid to get pregnant, and called her a breeder. I don't gauge that you spilt this invective out of love. But, the

[Zen] Re: here we go again around the mulberry bush

2013-06-25 Thread Joe
Merle, Intellect does not help, when the time has come for you. Or before. In Gassho, to all here who hear, and who don't, --Joe Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:  get real..or joe... i whack the stick...without an INTELLIGENT BRAIN you would not be a tapping on those keys sending

Re: [Zen] Re: blindness

2013-06-25 Thread Merle Lester
 joe... you are making me somewhat angry..you ought to talk.. your pollies are the laughing stock of thinking people in australia... hate speech..talk about your politicians..they are all mad...  hallo..say no more: the tea party  don't get self righteous about your politicians your mind is  

[Zen] Re: blindness

2013-06-25 Thread Joe
Merle, Gaack-k. I used the word hate today on this forum for the first time ever for me. You use it very, very often. You can check the record at the website. I used the word in reference to your invective toward Catholics. I shall extend it now to your invective toward Americans (I've held

Re: [Zen] Re: blindness

2013-06-25 Thread Merle Lester
 joe...  obviously you do not understand me..so that is that.. i do not hate...  i am making observations... why would i bother hating?...  it's a useless negative emotion  if you don't understand then... that is that  and how rude is that to tell me to keep up my medications?  you do this

[Zen] Re: blindness

2013-06-25 Thread Joe
Merle, quoting: i do not hate... Good. Well, it wasn't too soon for you to change your mind. --Joe Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:  joe...  obviously you do not understand me..so that is that.. i do not hate... i am making observations... why would i bother hating?...  it's a

[Zen] Re: blindness

2013-06-25 Thread Joe
Merle, Let it simmer; percolate; saturate. Take five (of anything). And call me in the morning. ;-) --Joe Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote: joe meaning what?..merle   Merle, quoting: i do not hate... Good. Well, it wasn't too soon for you to change your mind. --Joe

[Zen] Re: CHAKRA COLORS AND MEANINGS

2013-06-25 Thread Joe
Merle, Negative. No need to test. All is never well. But all is Good. --Joe Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote: joe.. some advice do a test  and see if your chakra's are all in order and in alignment...  Current Book Discussion: any Zen book

[Zen] Re: Body surfing as practice

2013-06-25 Thread Bill!
Chris, Nice analogy, but you didn't insult anyone in it. Are you sure you're posting this on the right forum? ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Chris Austin-Lane chris@... wrote: It has been a year since I jumped in the waves, so I stand in the water a newbie, unacquainted with the

[Zen] Re: i'd rather be a tiger's burger

2013-06-25 Thread Bill!
Merle, Here is the story: Obsessed Two traveling monks reached a river where they met a young woman. Wary of the current, she asked if they could carry her across. One of the monks hesitated, but the other quickly picked her up onto his shoulders, transported her across the water, and put

[Zen] Re: compassion for all

2013-06-25 Thread Bill!
Joe, et al... The Way is not hard, just no snipping and sniping... ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Joe desert_woodworker@... wrote: Bill!, I'd be glad if that's so, and would make proper apologies as warranted. But, I think it's otherwise. --Joe Bill! BillSmart@ wrote:

Re: [Zen] Re: i'd rather be a tiger's burger

2013-06-25 Thread Merle Lester
 bill similar story of jesus and the woman who washed his feet with perfume..merle   Merle, Here is the story: Obsessed Two traveling monks reached a river where they met a young woman. Wary of the current, she asked if they could carry her across. One of the monks hesitated, but the

[Zen] Re: compassion for all

2013-06-25 Thread Joe
Bill!, Cheers! I'll drink to half of that. ;-) --Joe Bill! BillSmart@... wrote: Joe, et al... The Way is not hard, just no snipping and sniping... ...Bill! Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading!

[Zen] Re: for mike

2013-06-25 Thread Joe
Merle, If you understand Buddhism, then you don't understand Buddhism. There's a fine Zen story about this. But you already have the essence, from what I say. And, besides, you understand; thus, no need. Y'on y'own. Carry on, Montesquieu! This is not an _ad hominem_. What's a homonym for

Re: [Zen] Re: Body surfing as practice

2013-06-25 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
This post was my response to you and Merle asking for more personal stuff from me, and the overwhelming clear parallel between passing waves and passing moments. Except maybe for the bit when the wave has crashed and I am lying in 4 inches of water, thrilled by life. I try not to speak well of

Re: [Zen] Re: dead ants - dead Zen!

2013-06-24 Thread Merle Lester
 edgar,,good one..except i am being left to medical science..for prodding poking and study...merle   Merle, I agree. I opt for a sky burial up on top of my hill I've named Vulture Peak where the vultures soar around all day. That way I get to soar around with the vultures all day too after

Re: [Zen] Re: dead ants - dead Zen!

2013-06-24 Thread Merle Lester
 joe...most pet owners bury their beloved pets in their own backyards..merle   Merle, quoting: why waste all that good quality protein? There are sentient beings underground who feast on that protein, not to worry. It is not wasted. The biosphere is one big recycling unit. A hush-hush

[Zen] Re: compassion for all

2013-06-24 Thread Joe
Merle, Just a note: a point of relevant information to do with Zen Buddhism, in this context. I mention it just for information sake. One the (Buddhist) Ten Bodhisattva Precepts (the Sixth) is: Not to praise oneself while defaming others. --Joe PS [to do so is establish a very unsound

[Zen] Re: Dunhuang Caves text

2013-06-24 Thread Joe
Bill!, I thought you might like it. BTW, you may have read other Ch'an texts: For example, if you've read THE RECORD OF LIN CHI (the LIN CHI LU), you've read a Ch'an text. The records of all the masters of the Golden Age of Ch'an are of course Ch'an texts. THE PLATFORM SUTRA OF THE SIXTH

Re: [Zen] Re: compassion for all

2013-06-24 Thread Merle Lester
 yes joe..i never said a word to the woman..for christ sake what do you take me for?..merle   Merle, Just a note: a point of relevant information to do with Zen Buddhism, in this context. I mention it just for information sake. One the (Buddhist) Ten Bodhisattva Precepts (the Sixth) is:

Re: [Zen] Re: dead ants - dead Zen!

2013-06-24 Thread Merle Lester
 joe..well well well...waste not want not. my tai chi teacher spun a hat out of his dog's hair... are you recycling those hairy cats of yours joe?... merle   Merle, Well, that's just irrelevant. In very big cities -- where most of the population, and pets live -- people have pets

[Zen] Re: compassion for all

2013-06-24 Thread Joe
Merle, Having such thoughts -- of aggrandizing oneself while demeaning others -- is a breaking of that Sixth precept. One need not express the boast, nor the insult, vocally, nor in writing, as you have done before us all, here. No. It's not the expression of the thought, or the process,

[Zen] Re: dead ants - dead Zen!

2013-06-24 Thread Joe
Merle, I gather the cats' shed hair, on a grooming brush, and compost it along with kitchen scraps and yard waste. I also gather the fur and put it outside in clumps so birds can carry it to their nests in nesting season: the Angora fur is very fine and soft, and the birds carry it away

Re: [Zen] Re: compassion for all

2013-06-24 Thread Merle Lester
 joe..are you lecturing me?...  is there not a couple of old sayings... that point to one looking in one's own backyard before you point out wrong doing to others?... we lead by example joe you telling me your squeaky clean?.. merle   Merle, Having such thoughts -- of aggrandizing

Re: [Zen] Re: dead ants - dead Zen!

2013-06-24 Thread Merle Lester
 good one joe!...don't those hairy cats get mighty hot in summer?...merle   Merle, I gather the cats' shed hair, on a grooming brush, and compost it along with kitchen scraps and yard waste. I also gather the fur and put it outside in clumps so birds can carry it to their nests in

[Zen] Re: the fear

2013-06-24 Thread Joe
Merle, Ha; you ought to talk. Country founded from a population of penal outcasts... . It's instead the threat and fear of becoming a social outcast, and even of being deprived of freedom under the Law. Bad behavior obviously yet appeals to certain sociopaths, but their nervous system is

Re: [Zen] Re: the fear

2013-06-24 Thread Merle Lester
 joe..excuse me..i am a migrant..from estonia..and by the way joethose outcasts as you refer to them... were folk in england who many stole a loaf of bread to survive... come off it... we know went on in england in the time of dickens.. the toffs sitting on their thrones, the poor doing

[Zen] Re: compassion for all

2013-06-24 Thread Joe
Merle, In a Zen forum, I am giving examples of some Zen Buddhist principles of practice, regarding ethics. I am not comparing you to me. The Precepts allow you and me to compare our behavior to the behavior of a Buddha. That's what the Precepts do, or can do, for a practitioner. That is

Re: [Zen] Re: compassion for all

2013-06-24 Thread Merle Lester
 joe...what are you driving at?..where is this heading?..your snipping is getting way to over the top...you snip for snippings sake... be is so..happy snipping..merle   Merle, In a Zen forum, I am giving examples of some Zen Buddhist principles of practice, regarding ethics. I am not

[Zen] Re: dead ants - dead Zen!

2013-06-24 Thread Joe
Merle, All domestic cats are descended from an African desert cat, Felis Silvestris Lybica. This ancestor is a desert-dwelling cat, and entirely adapted, or evolved, to thrive in high heat. They are accustomed to a minimum of drinking water: this, by the way, is why domestic cats' poops are

Re: [Zen] Re: dead ants - dead Zen!

2013-06-24 Thread Merle Lester
 joe..thank you for the info..how about a pix of your cats... i love cats..merle   Merle, All domestic cats are descended from an African desert cat, Felis Silvestris Lybica. This ancestor is a desert-dwelling cat, and entirely adapted, or evolved, to thrive in high heat. They are

[Zen] Re: the fear

2013-06-24 Thread Joe
Merle, Yes, yes. You can except and excuse yourself all you want. I'm talking about your Country, not you. You are too guilty a personality, and always think everybody's talking about YOU. It's not so. England had her Laws, in the day. I won't second-guess why Australia's founders were

[Zen] Re: compassion for all

2013-06-24 Thread Joe
Merle, Folks have the full original posts. I preserve what I reply to, as is fitting. Full original posts are all at the website as well. Back to the year 1999. So no more irrational sniping about my rational snipping, please. That's not a conditional request. --Joe Merle Lester

[Zen] Re: i'd rather be a tiger's burger

2013-06-24 Thread Joe
Never, Merle; but, they're both dead!: Why are you still carrying them? --Joe Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote: joe...the monk donated his organs to the tiger... do you have a problem with this?..merle Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that

[Zen] Re: dead ants - dead Zen!

2013-06-24 Thread Joe
Merle, Pics are up on the Zen Forum website, long time. Give a look. --Joe Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote: joe..thank you for the info..how about a pix of your cats... i love cats..merle Merle, All domestic cats are descended from an African desert cat, Felis Silvestris

Re: [Zen] Re: the fear

2013-06-24 Thread Merle Lester
 joe..we re all one!! ONE i would not steal i 'd share!..merle   Merle, Yes, yes. You can except and excuse yourself all you want. I'm talking about your Country, not you. You are too guilty a personality, and always think everybody's talking about YOU. It's not so.

Re: [Zen] Re: i'd rather be a tiger's burger

2013-06-24 Thread Merle Lester
 what are you thinking...i don't get it..you and your organ donations... that's not the point!!!...merle   Never, Merle; but, they're both dead!: Why are you still carrying them? --Joe Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote: joe...the monk donated his organs to the tiger... do you

Re: [Zen] Re: compassion for all

2013-06-24 Thread Edgar Owen
Joe, Fitting to who? You? Why don't you give any thought at all to the posters whose messages you snip? Is it all about you, you you? Edgar On Jun 24, 2013, at 9:17 PM, Joe wrote: Merle, Folks have the full original posts. I preserve what I reply to, as is fitting. Full original

[Zen] Re: the fear

2013-06-24 Thread Joe
Merle, Never mind, then. --Joe Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:  joe..we re all one!! ONE i would not steal i 'd share!..merle Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it

[Zen] Re: i'd rather be a tiger's burger

2013-06-24 Thread Joe
Merle, Ask Mike; Mike knows the story of the two brother-monks on pilgrimage, one of whom carried a woman across the river. I did in my reply mention organ donation. Both your monk and Tiger are DEAD: WHY are you still carrying them? --Joe Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote: what are

[Zen] Re: i'd rather be a tiger's burger [CORRECTED]

2013-06-24 Thread Joe
Merle, Ask Mike; Mike knows the story of the two brother-monks on pilgrimage, one of whom carried a woman across the river. I did *NOT* in my reply mention organ donation. But both your monk and Tiger are DEAD: WHY are you still carrying them? --Joe Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:

[Zen] Re: compassion for all

2013-06-24 Thread Joe
Edgar, We've been all through this. Done long ago. --Joe PS (recall, too, that some read while mobile, and pay by the character). Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote: Fitting to who? You? Why don't you give any thought at all to the posters whose messages you snip? [snip[

RE: [Zen] Re: i'd rather be a tiger's burger

2013-06-24 Thread uerusuboyo
Joe,br/br/I don't think there's much point in explaining it ; )br/br/Mikebr/br/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad

[Zen] Re: Dunhuang Caves text

2013-06-23 Thread Bill!
Joe, Thanks for this. I have never read any Ch'an texts. I of course liked this one...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Joe desert_woodworker@... wrote: Group, Continuing the thread begun the other day, I'll tag-on the original post, and I herewith add the conversation between

[Zen] Re: original nature

2013-06-23 Thread Bill!
Mike, Merle's right. If the films were made by zombies or werewolves I imagine humans would be the villains. Which reminds me... A couple posts ago I wrote: I wouldn't want to be a zombie or werewolf. ...but if I were a zombie or werewolf I would have probably written: I wouldn't want to

RE: [Zen] Re: original nature

2013-06-23 Thread uerusuboyo
Bill!,br/br/How about being a vegetarian zombie? You could go around just saying, Grains! Grains! ; )br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad

Re: [Zen] Re: original nature

2013-06-23 Thread Edgar Owen
Bill, I think being a zombie is equivalent to being non-rational isn't it? Therefore you clearly are a zombie! :-) Edgar On Jun 23, 2013, at 4:47 AM, Bill! wrote: Mike, Merle's right. If the films were made by zombies or werewolves I imagine humans would be the villains. Which

[Zen] Re: resurrection

2013-06-23 Thread Joe
Merle, Yes, if we are awake, we are a Buddha. Buddha was not the only Buddha. He's (Shakyamuni's) just referred to as the-Historical-Buddha. So, Buddha can certainly be plural. I'm surprised that spell-checkers have been trained to recognize this. --Joe Merle Lester merlewiitpom@...

[Zen] Re: humans on golden thrones and pedestals

2013-06-23 Thread Joe
Merle, Ants, as far as I know, bring their dead worker ants and soldier ants back to the colony as ...FOOD. Waste not, want not. Sort of an inverse-Zombie thing, there: the living eat the dead. But, cannibalistically. Not a criticism! Just observing. --Joe Merle Lester merlewiitpom@...

Re: [Zen] Re: humans on golden thrones and pedestals

2013-06-23 Thread Edgar Owen
Joe, More ignorance of reality which is the antithesis of Zen. Ants don't eat their dead, they carry them away from the nest. Edgar On Jun 23, 2013, at 3:25 PM, Joe wrote: Merle, Ants, as far as I know, bring their dead worker ants and soldier ants back to the colony as ...FOOD.

[Zen] Re: humans on golden thrones and pedestals

2013-06-23 Thread Joe
Edgar, I've watched them; the ones I watch(ed) bring dead members of their tribe back down into the ant-hill. I can't vouch for whether these Workers eat the reclaimed dead ants themselves, or else present them to the Queen to eat. I don't think they bring them back into the colony just for

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