Re: [ZION] Redelfs' International Odyssey Report

2002-11-26 Thread Steven Montgomery
I am thrilled that you had such a good times with such good people. -- Steven Montgomery At 04:29 PM 11/25/2002, you wrote: Greetings from the wild man of the north. I want to give a brief account of my adventures in Utah, Alberta and British Columbia. A full report will have to be filed

Re: [ZION] Can Anyone Become A Fully Qualified Member In Good Standing After Hav

2002-11-26 Thread Jon Spencer
Certainly, if a person who has committed a crime has satisfied society's requirements as far as punishment and restitution, and the person has also satisfied any Church imposed punishments, s/he can be restored to full membership. Could that man be a Bishop? I guess so, if the Lord wanted him to

Re: [ZION] Coffee, tea or eternity?

2002-11-26 Thread Jon Spencer
Speaking of bathroom humor :-) This is not so humorous. Whoever came up with these don't work toilets need to be flushed down one of them! Who wants to go in with me when I drive up to Canada to get some toilets that actually do not need the Seinfeld courtesy flush? (I assume that it is

Re: [ZION] Paul's dad

2002-11-26 Thread Paul Osborne
Thanks, Gary. I'm trying to work through a lot of negative energy that seems to surround me these days. Ever since 9-11 I have really taken a beating as the events of that disaster have effected me very much and have seriously hurt my Psyche. I have not been back to the temple since that terrible

Re: [ZION] Are Mormons Christians?

2002-11-26 Thread Scott McGee
On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 17:32:37 -0600, Gary Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I've just put together a concise and to the point web page or two answering the question: Are Mormons Christians? Well, Gary. It was concise and to the point, but I think I would tend to prefer it expanded a bit! Scott

Re: [ZION] A McGee Vacation summary

2002-11-26 Thread Wayne and Sandra Riner
WOW!!! that sounded like sooo much fun and I think it was wonderful to spend that kind of fun with your girls and parents. You know Scott you`re a walking testimony to me of how staying close to our Father in Heaven during hard times will bring wonderful blessings. Thanks for sharing with us

[ZION] Francie Ducros quits

2002-11-26 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Sorry, I forgot to include the link to the CBC item: http://cbc.ca/stories/2002/11/26/ducros_resigns021126 And here's the link to Margaret Wente's column today: http://www.globeandmail.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/PEstory/TGAM/20021126/COWENT26/Columnists/columnists/columnistsNational_temp/1/1/5

Re: [ZION] Redelf's trip

2002-11-26 Thread Marc A. Schindler
squiggle, squiggle. Eeep! Eeep! Gary Smith wrote: John, good to have you back. There were a few moments there when I thought the list members were going to mutiny, but after shooting a few of 'em as an example for the rest, they all fell silently back into line like the silly sheep they

Re: [ZION] Make a Wish!

2002-11-26 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Wow! Way to go! Steven Montgomery wrote: Today the Make a Wish Foundation is giving my stepson a log playhouse. It is as big as a small cabin! Although 17, Eric, my stepson, has the mental capacity of a 5 or 6 year old. In March of this year he also underwent a kidney transplant. In addition

Re: [ZION] Are Mormons Christians?

2002-11-26 Thread Marc A. Schindler
I actually have a medical reason for it, believe it or not (not that I think it would have to be justified anyway, but it just so happens I do). I used to have a full beard, but kept it short. As a fairly, er, big guy, a beard looked good on me, I'd been told. Anyway, in June 1999, when I landed

RE: [ZION] Francie Ducros quits

2002-11-26 Thread Jim Cobabe
A much more important event-- http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,450016822,00.html; University of Utah head football coach McBride is fired after beating BYU, and calling everyone at BYU morons. It is prudent to pay insults carefully these days. Never know when _your_ head might end up

Re: [ZION] Fundis

2002-11-26 Thread Paul Osborne
Actually, all I was trying to ask in a general way was: Should Fundamentalist Baptists be telling anyone how to run their lives? Again, absolutely not! The Baptists need to forsake their apostate religion, quit telling people what to do, and come to Mormonism. It is the only way. I was

Re: [ZION] Coffee, tea or eternity?

2002-11-26 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Jon Spencer wrote: Speaking of bathroom humor :-) This is not so humorous. Whoever came up with these don't work toilets need to be flushed down one of them! Who wants to go in with me when I drive up to Canada to get some toilets that actually do not need the Seinfeld courtesy

[ZION] CBW etc.

2002-11-26 Thread Marc A. Schindler
DRES (Defence Research Establishment Suffield) is in the news these days as it's the only place, apparently, that U.S. marines can do training with live chemical and biological agents. DRES is in Palliser's Triangle, one of Canada's few true deserts [Drumheller, site of Dinosaur Provincial Park,

Re: [ZION] CBW etc.

2002-11-26 Thread Ronn Blankenship
At 12:00 PM 11/26/02 -0700, Marc A. Schindler wrote: DRES (Defence Research Establishment Suffield) is in the news these days as it's the only place, apparently, that U.S. marines can do training with live chemical and biological agents. That is of course because they closed Fort McClellan to

Re: [ZION] A McGee Vacation summary

2002-11-26 Thread Paul Osborne
Scott Anyway, for any of you considering a trip to Hawaii, I highly recommend it. I can give you some ideas for Maui if you are headed that way too. (Just let me know, I'll be glad to go on and on about it if you want!) Totally cool and you're a lucky guy! I'm sure if I got to do all that fun

RE: [ZION] Canadian fears

2002-11-26 Thread Jim Cobabe
Hmm... First, we simply misread. Wrong to assume that people engaged in politics are politicians. Next, we didn't comprehend the niceties of the highly sophisticated Canadian political machine. Then it was foolishly quoting idiosyncratic definitions from Merriam-Webtster's Dictionary. Now

[ZION] Women with false hopes

2002-11-26 Thread Jim Cobabe
Deseret News, Tuesday, November 26, 2002 Deseret News editorial Every now and then a study comes along that puts old problems in a new light. Last week, the Toledo Blade reported that a Bowling Green State University professor has found that while fewer cohabitating couples end up getting

Re: [ZION] Paul's dad

2002-11-26 Thread Jon Spencer
Paul - Don't you think that it is about time to return to the House of the Lord? I do believe that your outlook on life and the blessings you receive will improve/increase. It was interesting that when we in Raleigh were in the Washington DC Temple District, we and the Columbus OH stakes seemed

Re: [ZION] Francie Ducros quits

2002-11-26 Thread Jon Spencer
No. He meant Mormons! Someone just misquoted him, just like that Canuckistani. Jon Jim Cobabe wrote: A much more important event-- http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,450016822,00.html; University of Utah head football coach McBride is fired after beating BYU, and calling everyone

Re: [ZION] Fundis

2002-11-26 Thread Jon Spencer
Y'all just come on down here to Apex, NC. We have a Baptist church on just about every corner. YOU tell them to convert to Christ's church. You can do it during their annual anti-Mormon Sunday meeting. Of course, the field IS ripe and ready to harvest. We have had more than 15 convert

Re: [ZION] A McGee Vacation summary

2002-11-26 Thread Jon Spencer
Paul - I've got a great idea! The Democrats are scrounging around for an issue that they could win with. How about suggesting that you would vote for Gore if he promised an entitlement for everyone to get a free trip to Hawaii is your income is less the $200K, to be paid for by all those who

Re: [ZION] Canadian fears

2002-11-26 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Jim, you never got it from the beginning. You're just making it worse. Jim Cobabe wrote: Hmm... First, we simply misread. Wrong to assume that people engaged in politics are politicians. Next, we didn't comprehend the niceties of the highly sophisticated Canadian political machine.

Re: [ZION] Belated report of John's trip

2002-11-26 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Mark Gregson wrote: By the way, John, we saw Harry Potter on Saturday night in Spruce Grove. If you liked the first you should like the second. Contrariwise, likewise, I'm sure. The theatre has been selling out on Fridays and Saturdays for this movie. For us it's a great deal because they

RE: [ZION] Women with false hopes

2002-11-26 Thread Jim Cobabe
The irony is painful. Our society has willfully destroyed the stablity of families, compromising traditional marriage in the name of serving women's rights. Now the growing contingent of single women look back with nostalgia on the way things were, wondering why their lives can't work as

Re: [ZION] Coffee, tea or eternity?

2002-11-26 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Don't quote me on that -- I'm going from memory and I actually went and looked at our nearest toilet, but it doesn't say what the capacity is. ...I went and took the tank cover off. There's some stuff stamped into the ceramics near the top. Besides CSA (like your UL) it says American Standard

Re: [ZION] Francie Ducros to quit

2002-11-26 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Except that I would have to include myself in that category, but I was referring to two others. Too bad the lingua franca here isn't Tahitian. My brother, who served in French Polynesia, says that Tahitian not only has a singular and a plural, but a dual, and it has two plurals, an inclusive (us

Re: [ZION] Coffee, tea or eternity?

2002-11-26 Thread Stacy Smith
You guys are the lucky ones over in Canada. You have full capacity and I have to struggle with six. Stacy. At 05:57 PM 11/26/2002 -0700, you wrote: Don't quote me on that -- I'm going from memory and I actually went and looked at our nearest toilet, but it doesn't say what the capacity is.

[ZION] A question: meaning of ally

2002-11-26 Thread Marc A. Schindler
I'd like to know why this issue of Francie Ducros, an unelected official (we elect our politicians here), overheard in a private conversation (not in a public statement as Jim initially misquoted the Toronto Star) -- an official not one in 10 000 Canadians would have heard of before this incident

Re: [ZION] Paul's dad

2002-11-26 Thread Paul Osborne
Paul - Don't you think that it is about time to return to the House of the Lord? I do believe that your outlook on life and the blessings you receive will improve/increase. I agree. I'll get back to it sooner or later. Probably a little later than sooner. In the mean time... Paul O [EMAIL

Re: [ZION] A McGee Vacation summary

2002-11-26 Thread Paul Osborne
I've got a great idea! The Democrats are scrounging around for an issue that they could win with. How about suggesting that you would vote for Gore if he promised an entitlement for everyone to get a free trip to Hawaii is your income is less the $200K, to be paid for by all those who make more

Re: [ZION] Belated report of John's trip

2002-11-26 Thread Paul Osborne
For those who haven't met John Redelfs but have been on the list for some years, you would recognize him if you met him. He is very much the person in the flesh as I have come to understand him via email. Yeah, I agree. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [ZION] Fundis

2002-11-26 Thread Stacy Smith
Well, I was told the same thing but not in a visible way. I wish I had a design on my shirt saying so. It's too bad we're not allowed to do that. Stacy. At 12:43 PM 11/26/2002 -0600, you wrote: Actually, all I was trying to ask in a general way was: Should Fundamentalist Baptists be

Re: [ZION] Paul's dad

2002-11-26 Thread Stacy Smith
I suggest you make arrangements to attend the temple as soon as possible. Denying yourself the blessings of the temple is not the way to face these dire events. Stacy. At 09:34 AM 11/26/2002 -0600, you wrote: Thanks, Gary. I'm trying to work through a lot of negative energy that seems to

Re: [ZION] Coffee, tea or eternity?

2002-11-26 Thread Ronn Blankenship
At 09:51 AM 11/26/02 -0500, Jon Spencer wrote: Speaking of bathroom humor :-) This is not so humorous. Whoever came up with these don't work toilets need to be flushed down one of them! Then aren't you glad Al Gore wasn't elected President so he could force more stuff like that down

Re: [ZION] Can Anyone Become A Fully Qualified Member In Good Standing Afte

2002-11-26 Thread Stacy Smith
Suppose I suspect this individual failed to disclose this information before baptism? If he is now living a good life, does any of this information need to come out? Stacy. At 05:45 PM 11/25/2002 -0600, you wrote: This doesn't violate the charter. All people have the opportunity to repent

Re: [ZION] Can Anyone Become A Fully Qualified Member In Good Standing After

2002-11-26 Thread Stacy Smith
Then what about the safety of blind people who wish to travel? Truly I'm beginning to wonder about our liberties. Stacy. At 12:35 PM 11/25/2002 -0600, you wrote: Jim It is a complicated world we live in. Indeed it is. It wasn't too long ago that a young person could commit murder here in

RE: [ZION] Coffee, tea or eternity?

2002-11-26 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Marc- W/L 5/8 BELOW Any plumbers out there who can read toiletese? ;-) I'm neither a plumber nor fluent in toiletese, but I suspect the first number is the tank capacity, while the second refers to the total amount of water per flush. Septic Stephen

Re: [ZION] Can Anyone Become A Fully Qualified Member In Good Standing Afte

2002-11-26 Thread Stacy Smith
If I tried to make this public what could happen to me? Is this considered gossip? and heresay? Stacy. At 11:22 PM 11/26/2002 -0600, you wrote: Suppose I suspect this individual failed to disclose this information before baptism? If he is now living a good life, does any of this information

Re: [ZION] Can Anyone Become A Fully Qualified Member In Good Standing After

2002-11-26 Thread Stacy Smith
This would be dangerous for us as any assailant could use the mace against us. Stacy. At 11:25 PM 11/26/2002 -0600, you wrote: Then what about the safety of blind people who wish to travel? Truly I'm beginning to wonder about our liberties. Carry mace. I do. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [ZION] Can Anyone Become A Fully Qualified Member In Good Standing Afte

2002-11-26 Thread Paul Osborne
If I tried to make this public what could happen to me? Is this considered gossip? and heresay? I don't know about your situation but if I was close to someone whom I was pretty sure had committed a serious sin and was not repenting I would probably let the bishop know about it and leave it in

Re: [ZION] Canada: Bush is an idiot

2002-11-26 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Odd that we get critized for merely reacting to the U.S. but now a truly insignificant molehill is over-shadowed by a mountain, and all the [sorry, I can't finish the rest of this. I feel a seizure coming on and will have to go to bed (in our timezone it's long past my bedtime anywaah). IMore

Re: [ZION] Can Anyone Become A Fully Qualified Member In GoodStandingAfter

2002-11-26 Thread Marc A. Schindler
You all will likely recall that one of the questions asked during a temple recommend interview is whether there is anything in your past that hasn't been resolved properllly. Paul Osborne wrote: Suppose I suspect this individual failed to disclose this information before baptism? If he is now