Re: [ZION] Declare war on us, we'll love you for it
Jack Redelfs wrote: I ... read Will & Ariel Durant's _History Of Civilization_ series twice) ... ==== Grampa Bill exclaims: Yikes!!! The BLT's home schooling must'a been rough! Love Y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
Re: [ZION] Vote Now!
John W. Redelfs wrote: Hi Gary. My name's Jack, I'm the only son of the listowner. ======= Grampa Bill comments: Love your style... love your writing... love your dad! Visit us more often. Love Y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
Re: [ZION] Vote Now!
RB Scott wrote: Seriously, I don't recall Christ preaching "death" for any offense...well, murder perhaps (but I don't recall it). ===== Grampa Bill comments: But the Christ of the New Testament IS the Jehovah of the Old Testament and in those days with those people He most certainly enumerated a number of offenses for which the sentence was death. Love Y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
Re: [ZION] Vote Now!
John W. Redelfs wrote: Gays and lesbians should stay in the closet. A. Strongly agree B. Agree C. Undecided D. Disagree E. Strongly Disagree Grampa's bigotry emerges: A. Strongly agree... except for confessions to the appropriate authorities if the SSA was acted upon. Love Y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
Re: [ZION] Vote Now!
John W. Redelfs wrote: Mankind will establish permanent space colonies by the end of the century. A. Certainly B. Likely C. Maybe D. Unlikely E. Certainly not Grampa opines: B. Likely We've got 96 years on this. Look where we were 96 years ago. Now, if the second coming occurs in the interim, all bets are off. I'm not even sure we have an inkling on the makeup of deep space given the scriptural references to rolling up the heavens like a scroll. -- Love Y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
Re: [ZION] Vote Now!
John W. Redelfs wrote: Same-sex marriage will become legal in all or most of the United States over the next five years. A. Certainly B. Likely C. Maybe D. Unlikely E. Certainly not Grampa Sez: C. Maybe Love Y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
Re: [ZION] Vote Now!
John W. Redelfs wrote: The USA and her allies will successfully establish democratic rule in Iraq. A. Certainly B. Probably C. Maybe D. Unlikely E. Certainly not Grampa Bill opines: Well, I certainly hope not! If so, the Sunnis and Kurds are destroyed! If the rights of a minority are protected, then you do NOT have a democracy. A Constitutional Representative Republic sounds good. Giv'em a C on achieving that. Love Y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
Re: [ZION] Gas pains
Gerald Smith wrote: One thing I've come to believe is that personal access to transportation is as important to freedom as is the right to bear arms. It is much easier to track people on trains and planes than it is driving their cars across country. === Grampa Bill comments: Wait'll they make a GPS in every car mandatory! I understand that they can already track any GM car with NorthStar installed. Love Y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
Re: [ZION] J. Reuben Clark
Sander J. Rabinowitz wrote: ...just what did Bro. Skousen mean by "track two"? Was this a reference to the Church, to a parallel government of some sort, or to both? /Sandy/ ====== Grampa Bill asks: The Council of the Fifty? Love Y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
Re: [ZION] Taxes
RB Scott wrote: But do tell about John Edwards. = Grampa responds: Wouldn't know. I voted for Reverend Al, myself. Love Y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
Re: [ZION] Taxes
RB Scott wrote: Do tell. Remember I live in the state that produced Kennedy, Kerry and Romney. --- One out of three ain't bad! A baseball player who hits 333 career will find himself in Cooperstown! -- Love Y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
Re: [ZION] Help Me Please - Ignore as Usual
Ronn! Blankenship wrote: Nitpick for discussion concerning your questions: So is it you or she who would not consider marriage to, frex, someone who held a TR but joined the Church too late to serve a mission as a young man? = Grampa responds: Didn't say it was a deal killer for either of us. Just tryin' to see what he's bringin' to the table! Rhetorical question, or you got somebody in mind? Love Y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah There are 10 kinds of people, those who understand binary and those who don't. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
Re: [ZION] Help Me Please - Ignore as Usual
Jonathan Scott wrote: What is a golddigger called if it's a man? :) Grampa Bill responds: I believe the term is gigolo... but this is different. What is a man called if his dad is trying to set him up with a beautiful, talented girl with a great personality and a high income? Fortunate, I'd say! :-) 'Bout the only thing wrong with her as near as I can tell, is who you'd be getting for a father-in-law! Love Y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah There are 10 kinds of people, those who understand binary and those who don't. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
Re: [ZION] Gay marriage is wrong
McGee Doug R Contr OO-ALC/ITMS wrote: "Well, it might be OK in California or New York but we're not having any of that crap in Alabama." ======= Grampa Bill comments: That same little girl has stomped those spiders flat in Texas, Georgia, and Alabama that I know of! They (and her) sure get around! :-) Love Y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah There are 10 kinds of people, those who understand binary and those who don't. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
Re: [ZION] Help Me Please - Ignore as Usual
Rick Mathis wrote: So, Bill, is she married? I have a 25 year old menace to society who doesn't seem to be making much movement in that direction. = Grampa answers. She's single and IMHO a knock-out beauty. She has, however, been going steady with a non-member for some eight years now. She has sworn she would not marry outside the temple, but I see no signs of either marriage or her dumping him. Her older sister's opinion is she's just gotten comfortable and doesn't want to re-enter the dating scene, but then, Older Sister has an opinion on most everything. Yer boy TR eligible or card-carrying? RM? Love Y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah There are 10 kinds of people, those who understand binary and those who don't. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
Re: [ZION] Help Me Please - Ignore as Usual
Jonathan Scott wrote: Can any of you think of any other of major sources of poverty since 1960? Credit cards? Anything... = Grampa Bill comments: The breakdown of the family stands at the head of the poverty cycle. Children of single parents are many times more likely to be brought up in poverty than the offspring of functional families. Failure to obtain education, training, or skills is a certain route to a impoverished life. I have a daughter who is a pharmacist. The day she graduated, Wal-Mart kicked her 26 K wage up over 50K. Two months later, the very day she passed her Registry they made her a manager at a six figure salary. This from Wal-Mart, which has been called "vicious and predatory." OTOH I have a niece who dropped out of high school and gave birth to a child out of wedlock. Guess which one will live a life of poverty? And no, I do not blame corporate America. If Wal-Mart paid their door greeters six figures, they'd be bankrupt in less than a year! All in all, I'd say the root cause of poverty in most cases is a failure to accept responsibility for our actions. -- Love Y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah There are 10 kinds of people, those who understand binary and those who don't. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
Re: [ZION] Trial by Media
RB Scott wrote: I doubt her company will tank, although it will go through some rough times. == Grampa Bill comments: Best guess I've heard is that once the value drops low enough, she'll buy it back and take it private. With a privately owned company, she will be able to serve as Chairman and CEO, which she can not do as a convicted felon in a publicly owned company. Love Y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah There are 10 kinds of people, those who understand binary and those who don't. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
Re: [ZION] Am I wasting my time?
Jonathan Scott wrote: Hello, I've noticed that you all don't seem too interested in the things that I'm writing. Could you please tell me why that is? Is it that you disagree? Is it that you don't care? Is it that you're too busy to read my posts? I'm putting a lot of time into this, and I really could use the help (feedback). P.S. the answer to the riddle was "nothing." == Grampa Bill comments: As to the riddle I had no idea therefore had no answer, therefore had no reply. As to your other postings, I suspect most are tired after the recent battles which ended in an old hand unsubbing, Even those who weren't actively engaged are just plain tired. If you notice, total posts are down to about ten percent of what they were a week ago. Give us some time. It'll perk up. Love Y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah There are 10 kinds of people, those who understand binary and those who don't. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Very cold news sources
RB Scott wrote: So you prefer "Asian?" Spelled correctly, of course. ===== Grampa Bill comments: But the Japanese are not Asians any more than the British are Europeans. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] The Return of the King
RB Scott wrote: Is this significant? === Grampa Bill comments: To some of us, it is! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Sons of Perdition
Gerald Smith wrote: It's good for us to have more than one viewpoint, even if we don't agree. It should challenge us to consider and reconsider our personal ideas on things, to ensure we are standing on solid ground, or at least on ground that isn't too swampy. Gary Smith ======= Grampa Bill asks: Is that "swampy" comment another swipe at Savannah? Down here, standing on swampy land is about our only option. Love y'all. Grampa Bill in Savannah (About twenty miles from Mort Walker's Camp Swampy, home of General Amos T. Halftrack, Major Greenbrass, Captain Scabbard, Lieutenant Fuzz, Sergeant Snorkel, and Private Beetle Bailey, not to forget America's sweetheart, Miss Buxley) // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Sons of Perdition
Gerald Smith wrote: Had it been in the South, I'd might have used Strom Thurmond Gary Ron Scott wrote: I love the way some of you apply gospel doctrine in your lives. Amazing. RBS -Original Message- From: Gerald Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 11:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] Sons of Perdition I don't think Dantes figured on that many layers of hell. Who would have known that NY would elect Hitlary, Schumer, and isn't there a Kennedy in there somewhere also? ======= Grampa Bill comments: I'm not sure who said what to whom, but don't even think about putting the illustrious and much beloved Strom Thurmond in the same context with the Hildebeast, Chuckie, and the Chappaquiddick Kid. You don't want to go there... :-| Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Old Jeeps
John W. Redelfs wrote: Maybe it is early onset Alzheimers. Dang! Grampa Bill comments: Not likely. Early Alzheimers predominently afftects short term memory... not interesting life memories that happened years ago. They say that as you age, your memory is the second thing to go. Unfortunately, I can't remember what the first thing is. Also can't remember if I've used this line before in this forum. Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Thrift!
Sandy and Melinda Rabinowitz wrote: I'm wondering if I've finally reached the point where I need to junk the car. ====== Grampa Bill comments: I'm reminded of the saying. "If you're so smart, why ain't you rich? And I ain't rich! Nevertheless, siince you asked, I'm also reminded of something I once read about cars... Divide the car into three assemblies, the engine, the drive train, and the body. As long as two out of those three are good-to-go, then just fix up the other one. When it gets where two or all three are bad, dump it! Sounded like pretty good advice. Love y'all Grampa Bill in Savannah // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Hai karate?
Cousin Bill wrote: (B (B>My kids do kendo, bamboo-sword fighting. But it would be pretty (B>useless unless you had a bamboo sword with you when you needed to (B>defend yourself. (B> (B (BGrampa Bill comments: (BAnd Cousin Bill himself was once Amateur Sumo Champion of Mizusawa. (BSadly, as his body grows toward traditional Sumo proportion, he has retired. (BLove y'all, (BGrampa Bill in Savannah (B (B// (B/// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// (B/// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// (B/ (B--^ (BThis email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (B (BEASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 (BOr send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (B (BTOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! (Bhttp://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html (B--^
Re: [ZION] Hai karate?
Stephen Beecroft wrote: So my question is: Does anyone on this list do martial arts-type stuff? Any ninjas, or karate kids, or judo choppers, or boxers, or Muay Thai kickboxers? = Grampa Bill comments: Never had anything to do with any of the martial arts. If I recall correctly, however, from Cousin Bill's wedding, his bride's family has a Samurai ancestry as indicated from some of the emblems worn on the kimonos. Bill's ancestry on the other hand only killed: * Yankees during the War of Northern Agression; * Brits during the American Revolution; * Indians during various Indian Wars; * Frenchmen during the Hundred Years War; * Blackamoors during Medieval Spain; * Assorted Muslims during the Crusades * Both Saxons and Normans during the Conquest of England; * Assorted Germanic Tribesmen who defied Charlmagne. * and other miscellaneous villains in conlicts too numerous to mention. Other than that, we come from a long peaceful lineage. Yep, a peace-loving bunch we are. Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] This is Me
Jim offered: This is the perfect gift for rendezvous black-powder re-enactment enthusiasts. Made in Canada. === Grampa Bill comments: Not sure I'd want to wear anything that looked like that around a bunch of boozed up northern rednecks carrying guns.. Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] This is I (sorry that I kin speekee the English)
Jon Spencer wrote: Hey, Gramps! I will give him this email, as well as keeping it. Thank you very much for your support. I do worry about his testimony in the environment in which he will be immersed. There are many Saints who do well, and he does have a very strong testimony right now, but every little bit helps! Again, thanks! === Grampa comments: The Rangers are a breed apart from most GIs. And though they often drink hard and play rough, the Rangers have provided us with some of the strongest members we have had. A common (though not unanimous) belief is that God placed them in the Rangers. Some even believed that they were being trained to fight in Armageddon. Had one who trained and excelled in hand-to-hand and bladed weapons, believing a literal interpretation of scriptures that speak of fighting the final battle with swords. Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] This is I (sorry that I kin speekee the English)
Jon Spencer wrote: Children: 2 David - 17 - leaves 4/14/2004 for Fort Benning - Basic/AIT, then jump school, then RIP (Ranger Indoctrination Program), then Ranger training, then probably the Middle East, then Special Farces if he gets his way. == Grampa Bill comments: If after RIP and Ranger Training, he actually joins the Rangers, and if he makes the First Ranger Battalion (There are three, but all our local Rangers assure me that the First is the best.), he might pass through Savannah from time to time. Have him look up old Grampa Bill in the First Ward (There are three.) I'll take him out and buy him a twenty ounce Porterhouse somewhere. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] A reading list
John W. Redelfs wrote: There have been 15 Presidents of the Church in this dispensation. Have you read the standard compilation of the sermons of each? If not, they should be on a ten year reading list. --JWR Grampa Bill comments: Sounds to me like a shameless plug for http://www.zionsbest.com . Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Commies and Pinkos
Elmer L. Fairbank wrote: When my 5th son was an undergraduate here, he used to complain all the time about some of his left-wing, commie professors, with their touchy-feely pseudo-intellectual clap-trap. It was a treat to listen to him. But then he calls his mother a socialist, too. = Grampa Bill comments: It has been written that if a boy does not grow up to be a better man than his father, then they are both failures. Can we parphrase that to say that if a boy doesn't grow up to be further to the right than his father (or mother) then they are both failures? Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Loving Mormon Bashers
John W. Redelfs wrote: Love isn't just something claimed, it must be felt by the object of that love. == Grampa Bill opines: Not sure I can agree with this statement. When a loving parent (heavenly or mortal) disciplines a wayward child, seldom does that child feel the love that impelled the discipline... years later, perhaps, but at the momment, no! Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Repentance from adultery (was: RE: Is God's Love Unconditional?)
Stephen Beecroft wrote: I always thought it was "twice and you're out" -- that is, you can repent of adultery once, but not twice. I suppose this is based on D&C 42:25-26: "But he that has committed adultery and repents with all his heart, and forsaketh it, and doeth it no more, thou shalt forgive; But if he doeth it again, he shall not be forgiven, but shall be cast out." ==== Grampa Bill comments: Not at all certain of this, but it appears that this might be instruction rather than doctrine. That is the Lord here instructs Church Leaders how to handle recidivist adulterers... cast them out or excommunicate them. It is not offered as doctrine, binding the Lord's hands as to whether they can ever obtain forgiveness from Him. But I may well be wrong in my understanding of this passage. Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Israelites in Egypt
Gerald Smith wrote: There's an article in the Sep/Oct 2003 Biblical Archaeological Review (BAR) magazine from Manfred Bietak, a well-known Egyptologist, on finding evidence of the Israelites in Egypt... He dates the site to the time of Ramses IV, Ramses IV reigned from 1153-1147 BC, so it is possible that the Exodus, according to him didn't occur until 1150-1125 BC. I thought this interesting, and their evidence rather compelling for the dating and evidence of an Exodus in the timeframe cited. ====== Grampa Bill comments: Some people just can't let sleeping Pauls lie. :-) Seriously Paul, how does this fit with your chronology? Love y'all. Grampa Bill in Savannah // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Roll Call
John W. Redelfs wrote: Some former list members are returning. Hallelujah! I'm interested in finding out who is still here. Let's have a roll call. Are you there Paul Osborne? How about you Elmer Fairbanks? Johnna, WRU? Mark Gregson, are you still getting the list mail? Gary Smith, you are back with us, right? I wish Marc Schindler would return, but I guess that is asking for too much. Can anyone think of a way to get Tom Valletta back on here? I think that Elmer said he was off his mission. Grampa Lewis, are you still with us? How about you Cousin Bill? I know you are there Heidi. Are you there Tammy Reber? John English, you are still with us, aren't you? Let's get this list going again. It has been dying on the vine since Tom Matkin, Gary Smith, and Marc Schindler left. But it is worth saving, don't you think? ===== Grampa Bill never left. Zion is worth saving. I miss it terribly when it's quiet. Love y'all Grampa Bill in Savannah // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Breaking the charter?
George Cobabe wrote: What are you incensed about? Is it the fact of the essay or the conclusion reached??? Grampa Bill answers: I am incensed at the initial act of bigotry and blasphemy. I am further incensed that the police arrested my brethren. There are times when a quick run to the nearest Krispy Kreme is appropriate. This was such a time. In my mind I can hear 37 radio calls to the comm center simultaneously, "I'm ten-seven at Dunkin' Donuts!" And while we're on the subject, where are the Danites when you really need 'em? Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
[ZION] Breaking the charter?
Dear ones, I received the following by email. It probably violates the charter for me to forward it... but does anyone know the truth of this? I am incensed! === HOW ABOUT TOLERANCE FOR ALL? Some Muslims wear sacred clothing. So do some Jews. The same for Native Americans and some Hindus and others. Bits of cloth or string that are physical reminders of God and his bond with man. Sacred things, really, prayer shawls or beads, head coverings or aprons, medicine bags. Things that are special to people, honorable and good things. Things that should be respected. One would not, for example, rip the yarmulke from a Jewish man's head and mockingly fling it like a Frisbee. Nor would you wear a yarmulke as a spoof or joke. Certainly not as an attack on Judaism. Not as a mockery of Jews and their faith. Yet something like that happened this weekend. In front of thousands of people in one of America's great cities. An act of religious desecration, bigotry and discrimination. And the perpetrators boast of it to the press. It was in Salt Lake City. And it was against Mormons. And somehow that makes it acceptable. Here's what happened. Over the weekend, Mormons gathered for what they call "general conference." It is a twice-a-year meeting that draws tens of thousands to Salt Lake City and is broadcast around the world to an audience in the low millions. It is a worship service. It is sacred and special to them. And each year it is protested. So-called Christian evangelists stand on the sidewalk outside the Mormon meetings and shout rude condemnations of the religion to the thousands who pass in and out. It is an odd spectacle, unmatched in American society. To think that crude protesters would stand outside a mosque or synagogue, or a cathedral or church, and harass worshipers and denounce a religion is just beyond the pale. It is an act of indefensible religious bigotry. And yet it happens, and is often applauded and boasted of. This column started with a mention of sacred clothing. Well, Mormons have sacred clothing, too. Like a variety of religious garments, it is worn against the skin. It is a type of underclothing. They don't talk about it. They don't show it to people. They keep it sacred. Like virtually all-religious clothing, it is a specific reminder of promises made to God. Like virtually all religious clothing, it is precious and significant to the people who wear it. Well, Sunday the evangelists had some. Maybe six guys, Baptist ministers, mocking the Mormons as they came out of a meeting. Shouting rude things to people coming out of church. And they had these sacred garments. And one supposed minister of the gospel was wiping his backside with them, laughingly treating them like toilet paper as thousands who held them sacred walked by. Can you see that being done to a prayer shawl in front of a Synagogue, or a prayer rug in front of a mosque? Wouldn't all decent people publicly denounce that sacrilege? He also draped them around his neck, and pretended over and over to sneeze into them. And loudly blow his nose into them. While families and children walked past. Stop for a moment. Lay aside what you do or don't think about Mormons. But was that right? More to the point, was that Christian? Is that what Jesus would do? Is that what any decent person of any faith would do? Absolutely not. It is wrong, bigoted and un-American. No matter who it's against. It was an affront. It smelled like the bigotry of the Klan and the Third Reich. And yet the ministers boasted of it to reporters and posed for pictures and no one in the Utah or American religious, media or civil rights communities has condemned it. And, oddly, two worshipers were taken away in handcuffs. One man, dressed in his church clothes, walked past in the crowd, saw the insults and desecrations, and grabbed the piece of clothing. To protect it. He was charged with robbery and taken to jail. Half an hour later another worshiper similarly grabbed a molested garment and attempted to take it away. He was unsuccessful and waiting police stepped in to take him into custody. And that's the world we live in. You are harangued for your beliefs and arrested for defending them. And the bigotry of our society is illustrated by how selectively we practice tolerance. - by Bob Lonsberry C 2003 // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/i
Re: [ZION] Fw: CNN Breaking News
Cousin Bill wrote: (B (B>-- China launches its first manned space mission, becoming third (B>country to do so. (B>-- (B>Wonderful news, in my opinion, though I will be much more excited (B>when a winner is declared for the X Prize. (B> (B> (B= (BGrampa Bill comments: (BDisagree on point 1; hearty agreement on point 2. I still consider the (Bfuctionaries at Beijing as a criminal gang; not a legitimate government. (BTheir entire space program is part of their expansionist enterprise. (BThey will not share any breakthroughs with mankind. Wicked, evil people (B(the masters; not the slaves). (BThe winners of the X Prize will be well on the way toward commercial (Bspace travel for mankind. (BLove y'all, (BGrampa Bill in Savannah (B (B// (B/// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// (B/// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// (B/ (B--^ (BThis email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (B (BEASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 (BOr send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (B (BTOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! (Bhttp://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html (B--^
Re: [ZION] Salvation
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Each term, salvation and exaltation, has a specific meaning; however, I think they are often used interchangeably. === Grampa Bill comments: Even by the prophets, and even in the scriptures. But I agree, there is a difference. Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] the Need for Speed
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The topic(s)? (Of the talks, not of the GD class!) Either something we learned in General Conference, one of the talks, or on the process of listening and learning from our prophets, seers, revelators, and just plain good ol' folks who spoke to us from that old tree stump that became a podium. = Grampa Bill comments: Call me with less than a week to give a talk? Then I get to pick my own topic. Sorry, those are the rules! Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Ward and Stake Web Pages
Lew Thomas wrote: Has anyone login to a Stake or Ward Web Page? They can be found at: http://www.lds.org/units/find/0,12831,2311-1,00.html Grampa Bill replies: Yup! Matter of fact, I'm the webmaster--- if the limited functions we are allowed to perform can be called those of a webmaster--- of the Savannah First Ward of the Savannah Georgia Stake. Love y'all Grampa Bill in Savannah // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Trouble with Topica
Stacy Smith wrote: I wonder if it works best only with Outlook or Outlook Express? However, I use Eudora, so that puts another thing in the mix. === Grampa Bill comments: I use Mozilla. I always assume if I ain't read it, it's 'cause you ain't sent it! Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] apostate working women {was}working woman
Paul Osborne wrote: I'm just expressing my view when white collar men grumble out of their lips against the woes of blue collar men and how they can supposedly fix their low income problems. The fact is, many white collar men are ignorant and lack real experience when it comes to blue collar money woes as they sit in the ivory tower of plenty. = Grampa Bill comments: I think part of our problem in coming to a consensus is that we are tending toward dividing all jobs into white collar or blue collar without acknowledging that there are broad gradations within each. For several years I refused to accept a twenty percent pay raise and be put into a salaried slot. Fact is, I was making better than thirty percent above base in my "blue collar" when my OT was calculated in. The "white collar" position would have amounted to a pay cut. The military comes to mind. They make a broad distinction between the "blue collar" enlisted men and the "white collar" officers. Yet a twenty year Command Sergeant Major certainly makes more money and probably has more prestige than a shave-tail Second Lieutenant fresh out of OCS. I believe we err when we paint the picture with too broad a brush. Both the white collar and the blue collar positions contain men who are put upon and treated unfairly, and both have men who are not worth a fourth what they are actually compensated. Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] confiding in bishops
Paul Osborne wrote: My observations are that bishops are selected from a pool of men who can administer and who have been successful in the ways of the world. I would be delighted to see men selected from a pool of men who can minister without regard to administering skills which could be left to the counselors. Grampa Bill observes: It is my understanding that at one point in the early days of the Church, it was the practice for a ward to have both a Bishop who attended to the spiritual needs of the ward and a Ward Preident who was an administrator. The stakes still have a vestige of those days with a Patriarch who is the Father of the Stake and a Stake President who administers. Disputes between the Bishops and the WPs regarding authority and division of responsibility led to the elimination of the WP position. Incidently, I have been a Bishop and have never had financial sucess in life. I believe I was probably a better minister than administrator though I tried to surround myself with men who were better than myself. Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] confiding in bishops
Jim Cobabe wrote: "Counsel with the bishop" is a standard answer. As a problem solving strategy, it usually doesn't work at all, at least in my experience. Bishops don't have effective answers for any but the most routine problems. Many of them are good at running LDS wards, but terrible as personal counselors. ===== Grampa Bill comments: As a former Bishop of the Savannah First Ward, I tend to agree. While I was given the keys to receive revelation on behalf of the ward, I was not given revelation on behalf of Brother Smith's family. Brother Smith himself solely had that right. Incidently, as I understand the order of the Church, neither the Stake President, the Area President, The Brethren, nor the Prophet hold such keys. They are given only to Brother Smith. Of course, Sister Smith had the right to revelation in living her own life. About all a bishop can do is look to see if the members are following generalized counsel as given in the scriptures and by the Brethren, and counsel them to move in that direction. If he goes further, it is at his own peril. Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] The Meaning of the Olive Press or the Winepress in Practical Terms
Paul Osborne wrote: Joseph Smith went out and bought real wine because real wine seemed like the thing to do and everyone liked the taste of wine-- or people wouldn't have drunk it all the time. Grampa Bill comments: Well, no, Paul. I 'spect he bought wine because the revealed Sacrament prayer specified wine. A later revelation relieved the Saints of that commandment, allowing use of GatorAde and Saltine Crackers if that's what's available. Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] The Meaning of the Olive Press or the Winepress in Practical Terms
George Cobabe wrote: How is grape juice a better symbol than water? the color? Other than that there is little difference. Grampa Bill comments: Going back to my youth in the Methodist Church, the grape juice tasted better. Upon gpoing to my first few LDS meetings, I was disappointed in the use of water. That stopped after I began to obey the Law of the Fast. After a day's fast, those few drops of pure sweet, clear water go down mighty well! ;-) Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] freedom versus free agency
Stacy Smith wrote: Who is really free? I don't consider myself free. Freedom has become a silly joke in my case. Everyone always wants to know where I'm going, when I'll be back, even what I eat. ========= Grampa Bill opines: Stacy, take a lesson from our kids when they were teenagers: Where are you going? Out. What are you going to do? Nothing. When will you be back? I dunno. Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Goiod news/bad news
Jon Spencer wrote: The good news is that my Norton/Symantec virus scanner is catching the new viruses. The bad news is that I am getting so many, that my virus detection screen is popping up faster than I can enter dates into my TroopMaster software for Scouts! In my last batch, it caught about 13-15 infected emails. Yikes! I can't believe that people don't have anti-viral software. McAfee (is that it?) doesn't catch the virus. I know this because our virus software at work is - well was until today - McAfee. We are now switching to Norton/Symantec, like I have had at home for several years. However, my 'puter didn't get infected because I NEVER open any attachment that I am not expecting, or that I don't verify somehow. ===== Grampa Bill comments: Found an excellent (if wordy) discussion on staying safe in a virus infected world at http://www.isalliance.org/resources/papers/ISAhomeuser.pdf . Many of their suggestions are common semse, but it never hurts to make sure the basics are covered before going off into the wild blue yonder. McAfee has an excellent reputation (though like you, I use Norton). Do you know if the virus definitions were being kept up-to-date? How about Windows patches and critical updates? Actually, these, (which are free) are all that are needed to prevent infection by this latest Love-san worm. Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] West Nile virus
Jim Cobabe wrote: Anybody else know of local news about the spreading virus? Grampa Bill responds: I understand it has been detected in deceased birds in Chatham County, Georgia (Savannah) this year, but no human cases have been made public. Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] DNA and the Book of Mormon
Paul Osborne wrote: I'm brutally honest just like JR is but with less tact. Grampa Bill asks: Less tact than JR? Hard to believe! :-) Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Kicked Off the FAIR List
George Cobabe wrote of FAIR: It is without a doubt the best group and list that I have been lucky enough to associate with. = Gramp Bill comments: Well, hrumph! What are we... chopped liver? Tried a lot of 'em. Zion's the best! Love y'all Grampa Bill in Savannah // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] The Exodus from Nauvoo
Valerie Nielsen Williams wrote: I don't think, though, that the persecution will have the backing of the government as it did in the days of Boggs. = Grampa Bill comments: I beg to disagree. I 'spect there are many in government, both elected and appointed, who, when the winds are blowing correctly, would use the full power of their office to persecute us, either to gratfy their own hatred or to curry favor with a hating constituency. There is a movement afoot today to pass a Constitutional amendment to define marriage as a union between a man and a woman. This is being promoted as a ban on homosexual marriage. I view it as a Constitutional sanction against Plural Marriage. Now, I do not know if this principle will again be restored prior to the Lord's return. But if this amendment is passed and the principle restored, you can bet that the full armed might of the government will be raised against us. People are people. They are no less bigoted and devilish than they were a hundred or two hundred years ago. They just have a thin veneer of sophistication to hide their bigotry. Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Gods and Generals
John W. Redelfs wrote: Perhaps the thing that most detracted from my enjoyment of the film was the Confederate bias. Of course Jackson was a southerner, so I guess I couldn't expect anything else. But I am most definitely a Yankee when it comes to my thinking about the Civil War. I don't care for books and films that make heros of the rebels. ===== Grampa Bill comments: Without going into the merits of the Southren cause during the Recent Unpleasantness, (JWR seems somewhat sensitive on this issue, and I try to to offend the touchy. ;-) ) Stonewall Jackson was probably the greatest fighting general since Alexander the Great! With apologies to Julius Caesar, Big Al and Stonewall didn't let no woman get in their way when there was fightin' to be done! It is, of course, debatable whether the South could have won even if Stonewall had not been killed. but I believe everyone will agree that it would have been a much closer contest. Had the South won, I believe that the Church would be much smaller, not a world-wide religion, and limited primarily to the independent nation of Deseret comprised of the present Idaho, Utah, Arizona, Nevada, California, Oregon, Washington, British Columbia, and Alberta. That (not the righteousness of the northern cause) is probably why the Lord allowed the barbarians to prevail. Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] Aaronic Temples vs. Melchizedek Temples
John W. Redelfs wrote: Who is Richard O. Cowan? Is he LDS or RLDS? Just curious. --JWR = Grampa Bill comments: The website from which Professor Cowan's talk is taken ( http://www.ldslastdays.com/ ), also posts talks and quotes from Gordon B. Hinckley, Ezra Taft Benson, Joseph F. Smith, and Joseph Fielding Smith. Not, of course, that those dead prophets would impress Brother Paul. ;-) For those who will consider writings from other than Presidents of the Church, it also cites Marion G. Romney, Bruce R. McConkie, Joseph Fielding McConkie, James E. Talmage, and Hugh Nibley. This site would hardly seem to be a bastion of RLDS thinking! I have bookmarked this site. Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Factthat Most
Paul Osborne wrote to our BLT: I'm a bigger jerk than you and that's pretty bad! ;-) ======== Grampa Bill comments: But Till lives in a deeper (and more humble) hole than either of you. Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] Samoa Temple
John W. Redelfs wrote: President Benson said the whole Church was under condemnation because we don't properly value the Book of Mormon. Has that changed? I don't think so, but I suppose I could be wrong. When I hear glowing reports about the growth of the Church, and how well we are accepted by the world on the one hand, and hear about condemnation because of our disregard of the Book of Mormon I suffer from some cognitive dissonance. I suppose there is some resolution of the two, but on the surface they seem to contradict. ===== Grampa Bill comments: Can a student be doing very well in school while at the same time be facing financial ruin? Can a saint be in failing physical heath while at the same time be near having his Calling and Election made sure? Can a dictator's political and military power be near the zenith while his family life is in tatters? I believe the two reports are measuring two different matters, both important but the spiritual health of the Church as measured by its disregard of the Book of Mormon being of immeasurably greater import. Apples and Oranges... no dissonance. There's a lott'a tares in that there wheat field. Oh well, the Master will clean them (us?) out when the field is ripe. Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] Dead List
At 09:07 AM 7/11/2003, JWR wrote, regarding the book by Jon Krakauer called, _Under the Banner of Heaven: A Story of Violent Faith: I doubt if I will buy the book, but apparently a great many others will. It isn't going to do our missionary work any good. Steven Mongomery replied: I don't know John. I find that when the Devil and all his minions rage against righteousness that rather than hurt, it actually attracts the honest in heart to the gospel. ======== Grampa Bill comments: An old saying in show-biz goes, "Bad publicity is better than no publicity!" Love y'all, Gramp Bill in Savannah // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] Dead List
Stacy Smith wrote: Is it a novel or nonfiction? Is there such a thing as an anti-Mormon novel? Probably not, come to think of it. = Grampa Bill comments: IIRC one of the very early (perhaps the first) Sherlock Holmes novels had a very anti storyline. Anyone out there who can either confirm or refute? Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] Royal Families
Maj Tom Merrill wrote: ...according to them, some families within Israel have been singled out for greatness. That there are lineages that have been set aside to rule and reign over the rest of us. What is the opinion of the group? = Grampa Bill comments: Reading the first several answers to the Good Major's query, there seems to be near unanimity that the doctrine being taught is false. I'm not quite sure. True enough, the question is posed in such a manner as to elicit near visceral outrage, but lets look at some other aspects. First, let's get rid of that "rule and reign over the rest of us" line. Christ taught that to rule is to serve and set the example in washing His Apostles' feet. Seems this ruling and reigning business ain't all it's cracked up to be. Next, it is obvious there are certain families both within and outside the Chirch that rise to and remain in positions of prominence. The Smith family comes to mind immediately. Prophets, Patriarchs, Apostles, Seventies and numerous General Officers of the Church have arisen from this family over a number generations. It is not limited to the Smiths. Check the Pratts and the Youngs, the Tanners, et al. In fact, this phenomenon is so prevalent that if the doctine of Royal Blood is not true, the Church would seem to be a hot bed of nepotism. One of the great blessings one seeks is to raise up a righteous posterity. If blessings follow righteousness, one would expect to see prominence in certain families. I have read that Colonel George Reade, a prominent pre-Revolutionary War patriot, fathered a number of U.S. Presidents and a brace of General Authorities and Officers of the Church. He is also one of my ancestors and whatever prominence his descendants enjoy certainly skipped my branch and generation. I think the main thing is that certain folks, by their pre-existant and/or mortal righteousness merit having some of the "great and noble" spirits to be born into their posterity. I don't know that I have expressed this well, but I 'spect ther is something to this doctrine regardless of how distastefully it might have been expressed. Love y'all Grampa Bill in Savannah // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] Danites
Paul Osborne wrote: Do you think that Joseph Smith and his assistants were wasting their time when they created the Egyptian Alphabet & Grammar and translation manuscripts? Grampa Bill replies: I do not believe they were wasting their time in that effort. Their work brought blessings to themselves and/or generations yet to come. The nature, extent, and beneficiaries of those blessings will be made clear in the Lord's due time. And for the record, I believe those documents are inspired contrary to what most LDS apologists and scholars think today. I do not argue with this assertion. I should not wish to be numbered among those who denigrate the Prophet's works. Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] Danites
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've read the official stuff from the Encyclopedia of Mormonism and such. Don't want the outrageous "whispers". Door #2, "our whispers". ======= Grampa Bill whispers: They were/are real. Special Operations group for the Council of the Fifty. Co50 is another shadowy organization. Set up by Joseph Smith, their mission is seldom really clear, If you read the minutes and comments of its members, there seems to be confusion. Some even thought the Fifty was to take the lead of the Church after JS's martyrdom. Almost childish ramblings and jockeying for position. Last meeting in late 1800s after which it dissolved. I don't believe a word of it. Co50 was undeniably real. JS spent much time and effort establishing it (and JS didn't waste his time). Purpose is less clear but seems that even as the Church is to prepare the world spiritually for Christ's return, the Co50 was/is to prepare the world politically and economically. I believe that it became expedient to do this in a very quiet discreet manner and so the group mocked itself and publicly dissolved while continuing its work unseen by the world. I suspecct that a great deal of the world's wealth and resources are controlled today by the Co50 awaiting the time to publicly turn it over to the Lord and His prophet. If the Co50 was what it appeared to be, s group of buffoons who sqabbled and fought until it fell apart, then JS spent a lot of time and energy on what became a total failure. Can't believe that. Was real/is real. Back to Danites or Avenging Angels. I believe they did/do what had/has to be done. That does NOT mean midnight visits to everybody whose testimony was/is weak or who was reluctant to allow his daughter become a plural wife of one of the Bretheren. Did/do they have a "license to kill?" Probably, but used EXTREMELY infrequently, and only when the necessity approached/s that of Nephi wasting Laban. Today, I 'spect there is some shifting back and forth between Church Security and the Danites with Church Security providing a training ground and a ripe field for recruitment of Danite operatives. All of the above is probably merely the fevered ravings of a somewhat delusional old man. Only the Danites themselves (if they exist), the First Presidency, the Fifty, and the Executive Committee (the three with the most seniority) of the Twelve are likely to know for certain. Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] Danites
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who can educate me on the "Danites" in the late 1830's and later? ========= Grampa Bill asks: You want the official history or the whispers? If the whispers, you want our whispers or the antis? I often ask, "Where are the Danites when ya' really need them?" Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
[ZION] David Nelson
Dear Ones, I was just checking the Drudge Report. He referenced a story ( http://www.dailynews.com/Stories/0,1413,200~20954~1456010,00.html )about people named David Nelson being hassled at airports because there is allegedly a wanted terrorist by that name. The story went on to report that David Nelson, the actor/producer (brother of Ricky, son of Ozzie and Harriet; now 66 years old. Is it possible???)) was stopped while flying to visit his daughter in Salt Lake. Anyone know of an LDS connection with this famous family? Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] Bomber found
Gerald Smith wrote: The bomber of the Atlanta Olympics and a few Ab clinics, Rudolph, was captured this weekend while digging in a dumpster in a small town in North Carolina, where the feds suspected he was. === Grampa Bill comments: The accused, alleged, purported, suspected bomber of the Atlanta Olympics You think the Feds are as certain of his guilt as they were of Richard Jewel's? I say, let's see what kind of evidence they have. If they had solid evidence against Rudolph, why did they go after Jewel with such a vengeance? From what I've heard, the evidence is strongest in the Birmingham Abortion Clinic bombing. At least there, his vehicle was seen in the neighborhood. As for the three bombings in Georgia, another Abortion Clinic, a Gay Bar, and the Olympic Park, I 'spect the Bureau is just trying to close cases. I'll try to keep an open mind on this though it is a certainty that the media... even Fox... has already convicted him. Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] Disney cartoon
Jim Cobabe wrote: _Finding Nemo_ is a fun film, really entertaining and uplifting. Worth seeing. Following the fine example of one of the principals in the film, I am now learning to speak whale. === Grampa Bill comments: Read a few weeks ago that one of our mental institutions was looking for a Klingon translator. Seems that some (maybe only one) of their patients refuses (or cannot) communicate in any other language. Their might be a similar career opportunity for a whale translator.. Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] The veil
Scott McGee wrote: Man is that he might have JOy! == Grampa Bill comments: Sorry! Letty's woman enough for me! Love y'all Grampa Bill in Savannah / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Iraq: letters in Meridian
Marc A. Schindler wrote: Our foreign affairs people are advising Canadian citizens who were born in the Middle East not to travel via the US. = Grampa Bill comments: Well, that's about the best news I've heard lately! "Don't waste the atonement." Sue Woodbury, Oct. 20, 2002 Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Jerusalem temple
At 08:44 PM, Saturday, 10/26/02, Gary Smith wrote: According to Alma 29:8 and also Brigham Young, Pres Kimball and others, there are many people called of God in other belief systems to teach a level of truth. Those who teach a terrestrial law are doing so under inspiration of the Light of Christ (and the Holy Ghost). Their calling to preach and work is just as real as ours in this Church, it just doesn't have all the saving ordinances or truths. = Grampa Bill comments: This is true. Martin Luther, the founder of Lutheranism and John Wesley, the founder of Methodism are pointed to as examples. However, can any one name a person living while the Fullness of the Gospel was on the earth who was called of God to teach a lesser truth? -- "Don't waste the atonement." Sue Woodbury, Oct. 20, 2002 Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] The Jerusalem Temple
Gary Smith wrote: Most Jewish religions now see Christ as a righteous man who taught good. They respect him as a teacher of righteousness. They just do not accept him as Messiah. = Grampa Bill asks: How can this be? If Jesus was not the Christ, the Son of God, then His entire life and His ministry in particular is built upon a lie. I see no way to respect Christ and His teachings other than to accept his Godhood. -- "Don't waste the atonement." Sue Woodbury, Oct. 20, 2002 Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] James' Ossuary
Gary Smith wrote: It fits. So there is a high possibility of this being authentic and in the right timeframe. But imagine having the bones of James! == Grampa Bill comments: But the ossuary is empty... as we would expect if James has been resurrected! Highly likely considering his position. -- "Don't waste the atonement." Sue Woodbury, Oct. 20, 2002 Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] High Priests have money
Paul Osborne wrote: I was referring to Stake President and up. They have money and prestige. There are plenty of talented yet poor High Priests who never get the call because they don't have money. Money is a prerequisite to those callings. === Grampa Bill responds: I know of one SP who was a mechanic until his business went bust just before his call, He then sold house trailers for a while but was terminated because of too few sales. After a period of unemployment he want to work as a machinist for the county. I know of another who was (and is) an electronic technician. As for the importance of being a High Priest, I submit the following from the Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson_ Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, p.604 The temple work for the fifty-six signers of the Declaration of Independence and other Founding Fathers has been done. All these appeared to Wilford Woodruff when he was president of the St. George Temple. President George Washington was ordained a high priest at that time. You will also be interested to know that, according to Wilford Woodruff's journal, John Wesley, Benjamin Franklin, and Christopher Columbus were also ordained high priests at that time. It is my understang that others of the founding fathers were ordained Elders as is common practice today when the dead receive their temple work. I'm not sure of the significance of these ordinations but thought I'd throw them out there. "Don't waste the atonement." Sue Woodbury, Oct. 20, 2002 Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] A Saint First, Then an American
Our BLT wrote: > > I am a saint first, and then an American. I hope we all feel that way. === Grampa Bill comments: I do. But in all candor, I must admit that I would be very uncomfortable if I heard a Muslim say, " I am a Moslem first, and then an American." Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah Check out my "General Authority Pages," the most comprehensive source of information on the General Authorities available anywhere(!!!) on my web site at: http://personal.lig.bellsouth.net/lig/w/o/wol3 Comments welcome. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Patriot Fizzles being moved into place
"Elmer L. Fairbank" wrote: > Depends on the shape/size of the hubcaps, we suppose . > > Till who won't go into ANY more detail, thank you ==== Grampa Bill responds: Remember, we'se talkin' about military ordinance. Them's warheads, not hubcaps. Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah Check out my "General Authority Pages," the most comprehensive source of information on the General Authorities available anywhere(!!!) on my web site at: http://personal.lig.bellsouth.net/lig/w/o/wol3 Comments welcome. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: Re: [ZION] Ivory Coast - who goes?
> From: "Marc A. Schindler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Culturally speaking, the further north you go the more Moslems there are. Bouaké, the main city in > northern Cote d'Ivoire is in an area with a lot of Muslims, and fundamentalists >there are trying to foment a secessionist revolt. ==== Grampa Bill asks: Is there an area anywhere in the world where Muslims constitute a majority or a sizable minority in which they get along with their neighbors? If not, is there a message here? Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Sabvannah / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [ZION] Patriot Fizzles being moved into place
"Marc A. Schindler" wrote: > *Have you ever noticed that military nomenclature loses in the > translation? We think of "Desert Storm," and call our missiles > "Minuteman" [Russian commander to his intelligence aide: "Wass iss? Some > kind of rice?" -- Grampa Bill comments: And then there's the "Hell Fire" missile. I suspect that translates pretty well into most modern cultures! Among my favorites for aircraft are the F-14 "Tom Cat" (Just pure mean and ready for a fight! "Any time, Saddam baby, any time!) and the B-70 "Valkyrie," named for the Norse War Maidens. Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] rumors about the scriptures
> Gary Smith wrote: > > > I guess the person to ask would be John Tvedtnes, since it sounds like > > he's one of those heading this up. > > Anyone got his email address handy? == Grampa Bill asks: Is my memory failing me? (Likely!) I thought he got in a snit an' cut us off 'cuz we couldn't figure out how to pronounce his name. Or maybe that was another list. Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Rumour about the scriptures
> At 12:58 AM 9/29/02 -0600 Marc A. Schindler favored us with: > >There's an interesting rumour floating around. Apparently the more > >expensive versions of the scriptures (like the leather bound ones) are > >marked as "discontinued" now (this from the owner of an LDS bookstore), > >although they're still available for individual sale at the Church > >Distribution Centre online. This couple who owns the bookstore says they > >were told there's going to be some kind of revision within a year or > >two. > > > >That's all I know. I have no idea if a) the rumour is correct; and if > >so, b) what kind of "revision" they have in mind. === Grampa Bill comments: There has been speculation for some time on adding the "Proclamation on the Family." I doubt it'll be a biggie like the sealed plates from the _Book of Mormon_. Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah Check out my "General Authority Pages," the most comprehensive source of information on the General Authorities available anywhere(!!!) on my web site at: http://personal.lig.bellsouth.net/lig/w/o/wol3 Comments welcome. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] War on Iraq
"Elmer L. Fairbank" wrote: > There is an Arab proverb that goes something like: The friend of my friend > is my friend, the friend of my enemy is my enemy. ---- Grampa Bill comments: And I've heard the converse, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." But I like the one that goes, "The son of my enemy grows up to be the enemy of my son." Bombs AWAAAY . Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Education
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > A recession is when it happens to your neighbor. > A depression is when it happens to you. [grin] === Grampa Bill comments: Close but no banana. When our neighbor is out of work it's an economic correction. When you are out of work it's a recession. When I am out of work it's a depression. -- ..nevertheless, "It was cruel and cunning, an act of consummate evil." Gordon B. Hinckley 10/7/2001 Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah Check out my "General Authority Pages," the most comprehensive source of information on the General Authorities available anywhere(!!!) on my web site at: http://personal.lig.bellsouth.net/lig/w/o/wol3 Comments welcome. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: Re: [ZION] Assassins
From: "Marc A. Schindler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I understand the point of your analogy. What I am trying to point out is that your >rich uncle *hasn't* left money and other goodies with anyone except for one kid, the >block bully, who steals all the other kids' lunch money. Grampa Bill responds: Your addition to my analogy is germane. I suppose the crux of the matter is whether, on average, the "typical" African is better off or worse off as a result of western interference. My guess is that he is better off. Certainly the crumbs did not fall evenly. And there might be a few who are actually worse off, but on average, I believe the colonial powers improved the lot of most Africans even if that was not their intention. Love y'all, Grampa Bill / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: Re: [ZION] Assassins
> > From: "Marc A. Schindler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >I don't understand what > technology has to do with political meddling and military adventurism. === Grampa responds, The analogy, I suppose, would be that of a rich uncle, who when he visits, leaves money and other goodies, but who is prone to belching and tooting and even interfering with the discipline of the kids. The question is whether we are better off with his visits or not. This depends on where we are on the socio-economic spectrum. If we are young, naive, and flat broke, his visits are to our benefit, regardless of how annoying they might be. As we age and become more sophisticated, his visits are less of a blessing and more of an annoyance. I believe that pre-colonial Africa needed all the help that could be given. And the point that not all Africans have received of the Colonial powers' largess seems irrelevant. Most are at least somewhat better off. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
