Re: [ZION] Redelfs' International Odyssey Report

2002-11-26 Thread Steven Montgomery
I am thrilled that you had such a good times with such good people. -- Steven Montgomery At 04:29 PM 11/25/2002, you wrote: Greetings from the wild man of the north. I want to give a brief account of my adventures in Utah, Alberta and British Columbia. A full report will have to be filed lat

[ZION] Make a Wish!

2002-11-26 Thread Steven Montgomery
Today the Make a Wish Foundation is giving my stepson a log playhouse. It is as big as a small cabin! Although 17, Eric, my stepson, has the mental capacity of a 5 or 6 year old. In March of this year he also underwent a kidney transplant. In addition to the playhouse I understand he will be re

Re: [ZION] Make a Wish!

2002-11-26 Thread Steven Montgomery
I forgot to add that after five days days recuperating from nasal surgery (Ouch!) I finally feel good enough to post a few things. -- Steven Montgomery At 06:35 AM 11/26/2002, you wrote: Today the Make a Wish Foundation is giving my stepson a log playhouse. It is as big as a small cabin! Althou

Re: [ZION] Fundis

2002-11-26 Thread Jon Spencer
This of course begs the question whether ANYONE should be telling others how to run their lives. And I do not think that this is a simple question. Prophets throughout time have told people how to run their lives. Was this wrong? personally, I do not think so, and in fact I am grateful that the

Re: [ZION] Can Anyone Become A Fully Qualified Member In Good Standing After Hav

2002-11-26 Thread Jon Spencer
Certainly, if a person who has committed a crime has satisfied society's requirements as far as punishment and restitution, and the person has also satisfied any Church imposed punishments, s/he can be restored to full membership. Could that man be a Bishop? I guess so, if the Lord wanted him to

Re: [ZION] Are Mormons Christians?

2002-11-26 Thread Jon Spencer
You'll have to change the name - we sell a book with that exact title. :-) Jon Gary Smith wrote: > > I've just put together a concise and to the point web page or two > answering the question: Are Mormons Christians? > > If any of you would like to proof read it, review it and let me know wh

[ZION] Paul's dad

2002-11-26 Thread Gary Smith
Paul, I lost my Dad in 1989 when he wouldn't stop bleeding during surgery, so I understand your concern and pain. As for the blessings though, consider two things. First, that your Dad was freed for several years from cancer, giving him more time. Second, not all priesthood blessings are given b

[ZION] Are Mormons Christians?

2002-11-26 Thread Gary Smith
No problemo, dude. As long as it isn't Kerry Shirts asking (as his introduction to the link would probably be longer than this page). Just keep it concise. BTW, I didn't know you had a goatee. Tom Matkin is a bald wrestler and you are Colonel Sanders. H Sounds like Canada is a pretty c

[ZION] Redelf's trip

2002-11-26 Thread Gary Smith
John, good to have you back. There were a few moments there when I thought the list members were going to mutiny, but after shooting a few of 'em as an example for the rest, they all fell silently back into line like the silly sheep they are. Don't worry, they were only flesh wounds. However, one

Re: [ZION] Coffee, tea or eternity?

2002-11-26 Thread Jon Spencer
Speaking of bathroom humor :-) This is not so humorous. Whoever came up with these don't work toilets need to be flushed down one of them! Who wants to go in with me when I drive up to Canada to get some toilets that actually do not need the Seinfeld "courtesy flush"? (I assume that it is

Re: [ZION] Paul's dad

2002-11-26 Thread Paul Osborne
Thanks, Gary. I'm trying to work through a lot of negative energy that seems to surround me these days. Ever since 9-11 I have really taken a beating as the events of that disaster have effected me very much and have seriously hurt my Psyche. I have not been back to the temple since that terrible

[ZION] A McGee Vacation summary

2002-11-26 Thread Scott McGee
John shared with us his recent trip to Utah and back. I thought I might share a few highlights from my own recent trip. My parents have three different time share condo's, and are enjoying spending my inheritance (with my complete approval!). They had booked a condo in Hawaii, on the island of Mau

Re: [ZION] Are Mormons Christians?

2002-11-26 Thread Scott McGee
On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 17:32:37 -0600, "Gary Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > I've just put together a concise and to the point web page or two > answering the question: Are Mormons Christians? Well, Gary. It was concise and to the point, but I think I would tend to prefer it expanded a bit! Sc

Re: [ZION] A McGee Vacation summary

2002-11-26 Thread Wayne and Sandra Riner
WOW!!! that sounded like sooo much fun and I think it was wonderful to spend that kind of fun with your girls and parents. You know Scott you`re a walking testimony to me of how staying close to our Father in Heaven during hard times will bring wonderful blessings. Thanks for sharing with us Sandr

[ZION] Francie Ducros to quit

2002-11-26 Thread Marc A. Schindler
It's just been announced on CBC Radio that Francie Ducros has decided to leave the PMO (Prime Minister's Office) staff, and return to the general public service -- code for a position not attached to a ministry; in practice it means even private comments wouldn't provoke the kind of "interest" that

[ZION] Francie Ducros quits

2002-11-26 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Sorry, I forgot to include the link to the CBC item: http://cbc.ca/stories/2002/11/26/ducros_resigns021126 And here's the link to Margaret Wente's column today: <<http://www.globeandmail.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/PEstory/TGAM/20021126/COWENT26/Columnists/columnists/columnistsNat

Re: [ZION] Redelf's trip

2002-11-26 Thread Marc A. Schindler
squiggle, squiggle. "Eeep! Eeep!" Gary Smith wrote: > John, good to have you back. There were a few moments there when I > thought the list members were going to mutiny, but after shooting a few > of 'em as an example for the rest, they all fell silently back into line > like the silly sheep the

Re: [ZION] Make a Wish!

2002-11-26 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Wow! Way to go! Steven Montgomery wrote: > Today the Make a Wish Foundation is giving my stepson a log playhouse. It > is as big as a small cabin! Although 17, Eric, my stepson, has the mental > capacity of a 5 or 6 year old. In March of this year he also underwent a > kidney transplant. In addit

RE: [ZION] Francie Ducros to quit

2002-11-26 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Marc- > As I have suggested to USAmericans who are over-reacting, leave > the thin-skinned theatrics to us Canuckistanis. We do it far > better, having had more practice. ;-) "Over-reacting"? As far as I have seen, you've made that comment to two people on this list -- Jim, who expressed amazeme

Re: [ZION] Are Mormons Christians?

2002-11-26 Thread Marc A. Schindler
I actually have a medical reason for it, believe it or not (not that I think it would have to be justified anyway, but it just so happens I do). I used to have a full beard, but kept it short. As a fairly, er, big guy, a beard looked good on me, I'd been told. Anyway, in June 1999, when I landed my

RE: [ZION] Francie Ducros quits

2002-11-26 Thread Jim Cobabe
A much more important event-- "http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,450016822,00.html"; University of Utah head football coach McBride is fired after beating BYU, and calling everyone at BYU morons. It is prudent to pay insults carefully these days. Never know when _your_ head might end up

Re: [ZION] Fundis

2002-11-26 Thread Paul Osborne
> >Actually, all I was trying to ask in a general way was: Should > >Fundamentalist Baptists be telling anyone how to run their lives? Again, absolutely not! The Baptists need to forsake their apostate religion, quit telling people what to do, and come to Mormonism. It is the only way. "I was

Re: [ZION] Coffee, tea or eternity?

2002-11-26 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Jon Spencer wrote: > Speaking of bathroom humor :-) > > This is not so humorous. Whoever came up with these don't work toilets need > to be flushed down one of them! Who wants to go in with me when I drive up > to Canada to get some toilets that actually do not need the Seinfeld > "courte

[ZION] CBW etc.

2002-11-26 Thread Marc A. Schindler
DRES (Defence Research Establishment Suffield) is in the news these days as it's the only place, apparently, that U.S. marines can do training with live chemical and biological agents. DRES is in "Palliser's Triangle," one of Canada's few true deserts [Drumheller, site of Dinosaur Provincial Park,

Re: [ZION] CBW etc.

2002-11-26 Thread Ronn Blankenship
At 12:00 PM 11/26/02 -0700, Marc A. Schindler wrote: DRES (Defence Research Establishment Suffield) is in the news these days as it's the only place, apparently, that U.S. marines can do training with live chemical and biological agents. That is of course because they closed Fort McClellan to "

Re: [ZION] A McGee Vacation summary

2002-11-26 Thread Paul Osborne
Scott >Anyway, for any of you considering a trip to Hawaii, I highly recommend >it. I can give you some ideas for Maui if you are headed that way too. >(Just let me know, I'll be glad to go on and on about it if you want!) Totally cool and you're a lucky guy! I'm sure if I got to do all that fun

RE: [ZION] Canadian fears

2002-11-26 Thread Jim Cobabe
Hmm... First, we simply misread. Wrong to assume that people engaged in politics are politicians. Next, we didn't comprehend the niceties of the highly sophisticated Canadian political machine. Then it was foolishly quoting idiosyncratic definitions from Merriam-Webtster's Dictionary. Now

[ZION] Women with false hopes

2002-11-26 Thread Jim Cobabe
Deseret News, Tuesday, November 26, 2002 Deseret News editorial Every now and then a study comes along that puts old problems in a new light. Last week, the Toledo Blade reported that a Bowling Green State University professor has found that while fewer cohabitating couples end up getting mar

[ZION] Belated report of John's trip

2002-11-26 Thread Mark Gregson
You can't keep a good man down. John went down south but soon returned to the North, pausing only long enough to visit a few list members. Having just got back onto the list from yet another soft bounce, I may be going over old news. For those who haven't met John Redelfs but have been on

Re: [ZION] Paul's dad

2002-11-26 Thread Jon Spencer
Paul - Don't you think that it is about time to return to the House of the Lord? I do believe that your outlook on life and the blessings you receive will improve/increase. It was interesting that when we in Raleigh were in the Washington DC Temple District, we and the Columbus OH stakes seemed t

Re: [ZION] Francie Ducros quits

2002-11-26 Thread Jon Spencer
No. He meant "Mormons!" Someone just misquoted him, just like that Canuckistani. Jon Jim Cobabe wrote: > > > A much more important event-- > > "http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,450016822,00.html"; > > University of Utah head football coach McBride is fired after beating > BYU, and calling

Re: [ZION] Fundis

2002-11-26 Thread Jon Spencer
Y'all just come on down here to Apex, NC. We have a Baptist church on just about every corner. YOU tell them to convert to Christ's church. You can do it during their annual anti-Mormon Sunday meeting. Of course, the field IS ripe and ready to harvest. We have had more than 15 convert baptisms

Re: [ZION] Coffee, tea or eternity?

2002-11-26 Thread Jon Spencer
That would be so great! Imagine lifting the lid and not finding any little surprises, and not having to unplug the stupid thing once a week. But 5 gallons! I would settle for 3! This may be enough reason to move to Canada, even with the socialized medicine! (well ...) Jon Marc A. Schindl

Re: [ZION] A McGee Vacation summary

2002-11-26 Thread Jon Spencer
Paul - I've got a great idea! The Democrats are scrounging around for an issue that they could win with. How about suggesting that you would vote for Gore if he promised an entitlement for everyone to get a free trip to Hawaii is your income is less the $200K, to be paid for by all those who make

Re: [ZION] Francie Ducros to quit

2002-11-26 Thread Marc A. Schindler
English requires that if one is referring to more than one person, one use the plural form. Two is more than one (at least in the metric system). There is also a hidden assumption in your response that only Zionisti were included. That may or may not be correct. Stephen Beecroft wrote: > -Marc- >

Re: [ZION] Francie Ducros to quit

2002-11-26 Thread Jon Spencer
Actually, following on your Canuckistanis, I would call us Zionistanis. It has such a nice ring to it ... Jon Marc A. Schindler wrote: English requires that if one is referring to more than one person, one use the plural form. Two is more than one (at least in the metric system). There is also

Re: [ZION] Francie Ducros quits

2002-11-26 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Now Margaret Wente's (Globe and Mail) advice would have made a lot more sense here: "'Mormon!' I meant to say 'Mormon'!" Jim Cobabe wrote: > A much more important event-- > > "http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,450016822,00.html"; > > University of Utah head football coach McBride is fired aft

Re: [ZION] Canadian fears

2002-11-26 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Jim, you never got it from the beginning. You're just making it worse. Jim Cobabe wrote: > Hmm... > > First, we simply misread. Wrong to assume that people engaged in > politics are politicians. > > Next, we didn't comprehend the niceties of the highly sophisticated > Canadian political machine.

Re: [ZION] Belated report of John's trip

2002-11-26 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Mark Gregson wrote: By the way, John, we saw Harry Potter on Saturday night in Spruce Grove. If you liked the first you should like the second. Contrariwise, likewise, I'm sure. The theatre has been selling out on Fridays and Saturdays for this movie. For us it's a great deal because they

RE: [ZION] Women with false hopes

2002-11-26 Thread Jim Cobabe
The irony is painful. Our society has willfully destroyed the stablity of families, compromising traditional marriage in the name of serving women's rights. Now the growing contingent of single women look back with nostalgia on the way things were, wondering why their lives can't work as befo

Re: [ZION] Coffee, tea or eternity?

2002-11-26 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Don't quote me on that -- I'm going from memory and I actually went and looked at our nearest toilet, but it doesn't say what the capacity is. ...I went and took the tank cover off. There's some stuff stamped into the ceramics near the top. Besides CSA (like your UL) it says American Standard (th

Re: [ZION] Francie Ducros to quit

2002-11-26 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Except that I would have to include myself in that category, but I was referring to two others. Too bad the lingua franca here isn't Tahitian. My brother, who served in French Polynesia, says that Tahitian not only has a singular and a plural, but a dual, and it has two plurals, an inclusive (us gu

Re: [ZION] Coffee, tea or eternity?

2002-11-26 Thread Stacy Smith
You guys are the lucky ones over in Canada. You have full capacity and I have to struggle with six. Stacy. At 05:57 PM 11/26/2002 -0700, you wrote: Don't quote me on that -- I'm going from memory and I actually went and looked at our nearest toilet, but it doesn't say what the capacity is.

[ZION] A question: meaning of "ally"

2002-11-26 Thread Marc A. Schindler
I'd like to know why this issue of Francie Ducros, an unelected official (we elect our politicians here), overheard in a private conversation (not in a public statement as Jim initially misquoted the Toronto Star) -- an official not one in 10 000 Canadians would have heard of before this incident -

Re: [ZION] Paul's dad

2002-11-26 Thread Paul Osborne
>Paul - >Don't you think that it is about time to return to the House of the Lord? I >do believe that your outlook on life and the blessings you receive will >improve/increase. I agree. I'll get back to it sooner or later. Probably a little later than sooner. In the mean time... Paul O [EMAIL P

Re: [ZION] A McGee Vacation summary

2002-11-26 Thread Paul Osborne
>I've got a great idea! The Democrats are scrounging around for an issue >that they could win with. How about suggesting that you would vote for Gore >if he promised an entitlement for everyone to get a free trip to Hawaii is >your income is less the $200K, to be paid for by all those who make mo

Re: [ZION] Belated report of John's trip

2002-11-26 Thread Paul Osborne
>For those who haven't met John Redelfs but have been on the list for some years, you >would recognize him if you met him. He is very much the person in the flesh as I have >come to understand him via email. Yeah, I agree. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___

Re: [ZION] Fundis

2002-11-26 Thread Stacy Smith
Well, I was told the same thing but not in a visible way. I wish I had a design on my shirt saying so. It's too bad we're not allowed to do that. Stacy. At 12:43 PM 11/26/2002 -0600, you wrote: > >Actually, all I was trying to ask in a general way was: Should > >Fundamentalist Baptists be te

Re: [ZION] Paul's dad

2002-11-26 Thread Stacy Smith
I suggest you make arrangements to attend the temple as soon as possible. Denying yourself the blessings of the temple is not the way to face these dire events. Stacy. At 09:34 AM 11/26/2002 -0600, you wrote: Thanks, Gary. I'm trying to work through a lot of negative energy that seems to sur

Re: [ZION] Coffee, tea or eternity?

2002-11-26 Thread Ronn Blankenship
At 09:51 AM 11/26/02 -0500, Jon Spencer wrote: Speaking of bathroom humor :-) This is not so humorous. Whoever came up with these don't work toilets need to be flushed down one of them! Then aren't you glad Al Gore wasn't elected President so he could force more stuff like that down our

Re: [ZION] Fundis

2002-11-26 Thread Stacy Smith
I guess I'd have to agree with this. Stacy. At 09:19 AM 11/26/2002 -0500, you wrote: This of course begs the question whether ANYONE should be telling others how to run their lives. And I do not think that this is a simple question. Prophets throughout time have told people how to run their l

[ZION] Canada: Bush is an idiot

2002-11-26 Thread Jim Cobabe
Another article worrying about Canadian political insults. "http://canada.com/national/story.asp?id=%7BAFC42C56-BB5F-457B-AEAF-5D58F21AB39C%7D"; Those Canadian political officials can't seem to keep their lips buttoned. --- Mij Ebaboc /

Re: [ZION] Can Anyone Become A Fully Qualified Member In Good Standing Afte

2002-11-26 Thread Stacy Smith
Suppose I suspect this individual failed to disclose this information before baptism? If he is now living a good life, does any of this information need to come out? Stacy. At 05:45 PM 11/25/2002 -0600, you wrote: This doesn't violate the charter. All people have the opportunity to repent and

Re: [ZION] Are Mormons Christians?

2002-11-26 Thread Stacy Smith
Perhaps this is reinventing the wheel with so much information already on this topic? Stacy. At 05:32 PM 11/25/2002 -0600, you wrote: I've just put together a concise and to the point web page or two answering the question: Are Mormons Christians? If any of you would like to proof read it, re

Re: [ZION] Can Anyone Become A Fully Qualified Member In Good Standing After

2002-11-26 Thread Stacy Smith
Then what about the safety of blind people who wish to travel? Truly I'm beginning to wonder about our liberties. Stacy. At 12:35 PM 11/25/2002 -0600, you wrote: Jim >It is a complicated world we live in. Indeed it is. It wasn't too long ago that a young person could commit murder here in Da

Re: [ZION] Can Anyone Become A Fully Qualified Member In Good Standing After

2002-11-26 Thread Paul Osborne
>Then what about the safety of blind people who wish to travel? Truly I'm >beginning to wonder about our liberties. Carry mace. I do. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month!

Re: [ZION] Can Anyone Become A Fully Qualified Member In Good Standing After

2002-11-26 Thread Paul Osborne
>Suppose I suspect this individual failed to disclose this information >before baptism? If he is now living a good life, does any of this >information need to come out? Yes, if the original information was something that should have been referred to the Mission President via the Zone Leaders w

RE: [ZION] Coffee, tea or eternity?

2002-11-26 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Marc- > W/L 5/8 BELOW > Any plumbers out there who can read toiletese? ;-) I'm neither a plumber nor fluent in toiletese, but I suspect the first number is the tank capacity, while the second refers to the total amount of water per flush. Septic Stephen ///

Re: [ZION] Can Anyone Become A Fully Qualified Member In Good Standing Afte

2002-11-26 Thread Stacy Smith
If I tried to make this public what could happen to me? Is this considered "gossip?" and "heresay?" Stacy. At 11:22 PM 11/26/2002 -0600, you wrote: >Suppose I suspect this individual failed to disclose this information >before baptism? If he is now living a good life, does any of this >inform

Re: [ZION] Can Anyone Become A Fully Qualified Member In Good Standing After

2002-11-26 Thread Stacy Smith
This would be dangerous for us as any assailant could use the mace against us. Stacy. At 11:25 PM 11/26/2002 -0600, you wrote: >Then what about the safety of blind people who wish to travel? Truly I'm >beginning to wonder about our liberties. Carry mace. I do. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [ZION] Can Anyone Become A Fully Qualified Member In Good Standing After

2002-11-26 Thread Paul Osborne
>This would be dangerous for us as any assailant could use the mace against us. He who is the quickest trigger puller is the winner. Survival of the fittest in this bad world can really make a difference. Practice whipping out your mace and give it a shot. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] _

Re: [ZION] Can Anyone Become A Fully Qualified Member In Good Standing Afte

2002-11-26 Thread Paul Osborne
>If I tried to make this public what could happen to me? Is this considered >"gossip?" and "heresay?" I don't know about your situation but if I was close to someone whom I was pretty sure had committed a serious sin and was not repenting I would probably let the bishop know about it and leave

Re: [ZION] Canada: Bush is an idiot

2002-11-26 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Odd that we get critized for merely reacting to the U.S. but now a truly insignificant molehill is over-shadowed by a mountain, and all the [sorry, I can't finish the rest of this. I feel a seizure coming on and will have to go to bed (in our timezone it's long past my bedtime anywaah). IMore tommm

Re: [ZION] Can Anyone Become A Fully Qualified Member In GoodStandingAfter

2002-11-26 Thread Marc A. Schindler
You all will likely recall that one of the questions asked during a temple recommend interview is whether there is anything in your past that hasn't been resolved properllly. Paul Osborne wrote: > >Suppose I suspect this individual failed to disclose this information > >before baptism? If he is