Re: [ZION] The veil

2002-11-04 Thread Stacy Smith
How does one get an arranged marriage if one might wish one? I'm mad it seems it can't be done in this culture. Stacy. At 08:49 PM 11/04/2002 +, you wrote: On Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:21:53 -0900, John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I do not think it is possible to fall out of love with

Re: [ZION] scriptures are not secular?

2002-11-05 Thread Stacy Smith
If it is all in your mind, then how about the thousands of others who have not only experienced God but also written prophecies, etc.? Stacy. At 07:36 PM 11/05/2002 +, you wrote: At 15:23 11/3/2002 -0600, St Paul (not Minnesota) wrote: Also, maybe our whole religious experience is self

Re: [ZION] scriptures are not secular?

2002-11-05 Thread Stacy Smith
Then we must ask ourselves if the Biblical accounts are a. Only allegories. B. Lies. C. Half and half. D. Half truth, half error. If they are erroneous our faith is in vain. For if God did not intervene in the affairs of man, our faith is vain. If Christ be not raised, etc. Stacy.

Re: [ZION] The veil

2002-11-05 Thread Stacy Smith
I guess I meant, what if you wanted someone to help do it for you? Stacy. At 07:51 PM 11/05/2002 +, you wrote: On Mon, 04 Nov 2002 14:03:17 -0800, Stacy Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: How does one get an arranged marriage if one might wish one? I'm mad it seems it can't be done

Re: [ZION] Guns, Germs and Steel

2002-11-05 Thread Stacy Smith
Not all of us are required to prove theories. Stacy. At 03:55 PM 11/04/2002 -0900, you wrote: After much pondering, Gary Smith favored us with: No, it is postulating a theory. Once a theory is set out for all to read, then it is up to the rest of us to disprove the theory by testing it

Re: [ZION] Global Warming

2002-11-06 Thread Stacy Smith
Have you seen any season reversals in the last few years? I don't think I have seen actual complete reversals--maybe something for a day or two. Stacy. At 01:04 PM 11/06/2002 -0600, you wrote: We have a glacier up here in Alaska that is growing every year. I don't recall the name of it, but

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-06 Thread Stacy Smith
Do any of you believe that the Islamist goal is not just to get Israel out of the west bank but also to take over the entire world? Stacy. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// ///

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-06 Thread Stacy Smith
Who says we should attack anybody? Stacy. At 08:35 PM 11/06/2002 -0500, you wrote: Who objected to Marc's obvious statement? The Taliban was put in power by people in Pakistan. This is a real Duh!. By the way, are you advocating that we attack Pakistan first, and THEN Iraq? I have a better

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-06 Thread Stacy Smith
it started the Jews and Christians threatened the little religion by war. I am not totally convinced any longer that Islam was always out to convert everyone by the sword. Often, definitely, but not always. Stacy. At 01:41 PM 11/06/2002 -0900, you wrote: After much pondering, Stacy Smith favored us

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-06 Thread Stacy Smith
If the Taliban are coming back, why are we moving on? Stacy. At 06:20 AM 11/06/2002 -0900, you wrote: http://www.guardian.co.uk/pakistan/Story/0,2763,834287,00.html It looks like Marc may be vindicated in his predictions that the Taliban will come to power in Pakistan. Why we are planning a

Re: [ZION] Guns, Germs and Steel

2002-11-06 Thread Stacy Smith
put a lot of barriers in our own way, and often attempt to put barriers in other people's lives, too. Don't let anyone put barriers in your way. And what I've said goes for Gary, too. I'm sure I'm not telling any of you anything you don't already know, but this is by way of encouragement. Stacy

Re: [ZION] scriptures are not secular?

2002-11-06 Thread Stacy Smith
If a testimony is only based on how often the Lord can get me to follow Him, then I could be in trouble not because of God but because of my stubborn will. How do I know I'm not at fault? My testimony never alone rests on my puny experience. Stacy. At 05:50 PM 11/05/2002 -0600, you wrote:

Re: [ZION] George III continues the tradition of malleable truth

2002-11-06 Thread Stacy Smith
The thing that gets me is this: If we're all of a sudden so concerned about Saddam's nuclear and biological weapons abilities, why weren't we as concerned in 1992? Stacy. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at

Re: [ZION] scriptures are not secular?

2002-11-06 Thread Stacy Smith
I've read some of the higher criticism and don't really appreciate or like it. Stacy. At 10:51 PM 11/06/2002 -0700, you wrote: There was, in the most recent conference, a reference to the Pentateuch (although not by that name) as being by Moses, or written according to what had been passed

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-06 Thread Stacy Smith
My point still holds even if they are no longer in Afghanistan. Why are we moving on? Stacy. At 09:30 PM 11/06/2002 -0700, you wrote: My original point was to ask why the US was so obsessed with Iraq when Pakistan presents a greater danger. And there's more to it than saying they were put

Re: [ZION] scriptures are not secular?

2002-11-06 Thread Stacy Smith
On a lighter side of discussion, just for fun and humor I took my little electronic device to the bishop one day and told him I had the gold plates for the triple combination and promptly showed him my electronic computer wherein was displayed one line of my triple combination. It was meant to

Re: [ZION] Guns, Germs and Steel

2002-11-07 Thread Stacy Smith
is the flip side of opportunity. Why do we have proportionately fewer serious music composers today than in the 18th and early 19th century, for example? Fewer talented people? Stacy Smith wrote: What are we to do if our talents are being hindered? Stacy. At 07:58 PM 11/05/2002 -0700, you wrote

Re: [ZION] George III continues the tradition of malleable truth

2002-11-07 Thread Stacy Smith
We are surely the laughingstock of the world and also many Americans, including me. Stacy. At 01:13 AM 11/07/2002 -0700, you wrote: Jon Spencer wrote: We didn't want to upset the UN, now, did we? Actually, we did have an agreement with Iraq to implement full inspections, and he did

Re: [ZION] scriptures are not secular?

2002-11-07 Thread Stacy Smith
wrote: Then stay away from it. There are other ways to learn. Stacy Smith wrote: I've read some of the higher criticism and don't really appreciate or like it. Stacy. -- / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read

[ZION] Fwd: The Brookings Update on Terrorism, 11/6/02

2002-11-07 Thread Stacy Smith
I thought all would like to see this report I have been getting since around 9/11. Stacy. X-Mailer: Lyris ListManager Web Interface Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:30:48 -0500 Subject: The Brookings Update on Terrorism, 11/6/02 To: Update: Brookings Project on Terrorism [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL

Re: [ZION] George III continues the tradition of malleable truth

2002-11-07 Thread Stacy Smith
I didn't mean LDS; I meant us as a larger part of Americans. Stacy. At 07:43 AM 11/07/2002 -0500, you wrote: Then there is ample justification in doing what we do! After all, bringing happiness to the world is an important role. Jon Stacy Smith said with great mirth: We are surely

Re: [ZION] George III continues the tradition of malleable truth

2002-11-07 Thread Stacy Smith
P.S.: I meant that remark rather scornfully. Stacy. At 07:43 AM 11/07/2002 -0500, you wrote: Then there is ample justification in doing what we do! After all, bringing happiness to the world is an important role. Jon Stacy Smith said with great mirth: We are surely the laughingstock

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-07 Thread Stacy Smith
We are moving to other targets as if we have the Taliban licked. We don't. Stacy. At 07:30 AM 11/07/2002 -0500, you wrote: OK, I'll bite. What should we do? And why do you think we are moving on (could you define that please?)? Jon Stacy Smith wrote: My point still holds even

Re: [ZION] War Against All of Islam

2002-11-07 Thread Stacy Smith
I basically believe we will attack and they in turn attack us. We will then incite the entire Islamic world and all will turn against us. Stacy. At 04:47 AM 11/07/2002 -0900, you wrote: After much pondering, Stacy Smith favored us with: Of course, no one here on this list, including myself

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-07 Thread Stacy Smith
a carefully thought our opinion, I must assume that I do not understand what you are saying or implying. Jon Stacy Smith wrote: We are moving to other targets as if we have the Taliban licked. We don't. Stacy. At 07:30 AM 11/07/2002 -0500, you wrote: OK, I'll bite. What should we do

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-07 Thread Stacy Smith
Definitely we should win the victory over the Taliban before going on to other types of terrorists. Stacy. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html ///

Re: [ZION] Osama bin Laden

2002-11-07 Thread Stacy Smith
My point exactly and right on target. Stacy. At 11:07 AM 11/07/2002 -0900, you wrote: Is everyone pretty convinced that Osama bin Laden is still alive? If he is, maybe we should finish that part of the War on Terrorism before adding Saddam Hussein to the hit list. --JWR

RE: [ZION] Bible vs the Scientists

2002-11-07 Thread Stacy Smith
I would like a listing of Steven E. Robinson's books so I might buy them. This one sounds interesting. Stacy. At 09:45 PM 11/07/2002 +, you wrote: This discussion by Stephen Robinson applies with equal validity to questions about the historical accuracy of the Bible... Naturalistic

Re: [ZION] Bible vs the Scientists

2002-11-07 Thread Stacy Smith
Do we have any of these in immediate electronic form I could look at on a web site? Stacy. At 08:35 PM 11/07/2002 -0700, you wrote: Jim Cobabe wrote: Stacy Smith wrote: --- I would like a listing of Steven E. Robinson's books so I might buy them. This one sounds interesting

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-07 Thread Stacy Smith
I remember that video. Stacy. At 09:30 PM 11/07/2002 -0700, you wrote: Actually he admitted it on a videotape played on Al-Jezeera television, out of Doha, Qatar, the day after. He'd prepared the video ahead of time, so there's not much doubt. Paul Osborne wrote: Do we really know for sure

RE: [ZION] Bible vs the Scientists

2002-11-07 Thread Stacy Smith
Thanks. Stacy. At 07:49 PM 11/07/2002 -0900, you wrote: After much pondering, Stacy Smith favored us with: I would like a listing of Steven E. Robinson's books so I might buy them. This one sounds interesting

Re: [ZION] Home automation

2002-11-08 Thread Stacy Smith
About the closest I'll ever get to automation is my talking computer, talking thermometer, talking VCR, talking alarm clock, talking braille device with speech included, etc. Stacy. At 05:05 AM 11/08/2002 +, you wrote: Anyone here interested in home automation? Anyone do any? Stephen

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-08 Thread Stacy Smith
Yes, but cocky people are very proud of their deeds. I don't have any doubts. Stacy. At 07:13 AM 11/08/2002 -0900, you wrote: After much pondering, Marc A. Schindler favored us with: Actually he admitted it on a videotape played on Al-Jezeera television, out of Doha, Qatar, the day after.

Re: [ZION] Best Arguments on Evolution

2002-11-08 Thread Stacy Smith
I thought the church should strongly against the issue on an evolutionary process. Stacy. At 06:36 AM 11/08/2002 -0900, you wrote: Marc, Who in your opinion presents the best, book length, argument in favor of evolution? And who in your opinion best presents the best argument against

Re: [ZION] Osama bin Laden

2002-11-08 Thread Stacy Smith
Well, we can only spread ourselves so thin. Stacy. At 11:34 AM 11/08/2002 -0500, you wrote: I am constantly amazed at the fuzzy thinking that some people exhibit by dragging up this obviously silly argument. Now let me get this straight by using another example that, I believe, is entirely

Re: [ZION] Best Arguments on Evolution

2002-11-08 Thread Stacy Smith
I'm compiling a long list of books to buy so that when I walk into an LDS bookstore I'm not just going um, um, um. Stacy. At 10:43 AM 11/08/2002 -0700, you wrote: Strictly speaking, I honestly don't know, because I don't consider evolution to be a moral issue which one is converted to -- it's

Re: [ZION] War Against All of Islam

2002-11-08 Thread Stacy Smith
Dreamer! Stacy. At 07:43 AM 11/08/2002 -0900, you wrote: After much pondering, Jon Spencer favored us with: It wouldn't matter if they did - they wouldn't honor them. Especially considering their votes today in the UN. So you are absolutely sure that if we attack Iraq that no other

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-08 Thread Stacy Smith
I agree, but no matter what we do we will be overrun. I don't know if I agree with the prevailing LDS sentiment that we will prevail, either. I suppose one has to ask what is meant by prevail. If you mean win but only with a tiny fraction of people left, I don't really call that winning.

Re: [ZION] Governing the Least

2002-11-08 Thread Stacy Smith
Just what is predicted will happen. We will be overrun and the people that will be left will be in anarchy. Only a relatively few of us (those in the church that are left) will be the ones to save ourselves and the remnant of the people. This is the way I see the prophecies that have been

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-08 Thread Stacy Smith
AM 11/08/2002 -0900, you wrote: After much pondering, Stacy Smith favored us with: I agree, but no matter what we do we will be overrun. I don't know if I agree with the prevailing LDS sentiment that we will prevail, either. I suppose one has to ask what is meant by prevail. If you mean win

[ZION] Virtual Personalities?

2002-11-08 Thread Stacy Smith
I thought all personalities were real, despite the way they appear on the virtual screen. Stacy. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html ///

Re: [ZION] Governing the Least

2002-11-08 Thread Stacy Smith
I do not want to see the U.S. destroyed. I just know that it will be. Since I'd like to spend what remains of my mortal existence in relative comfort, I hope I am dead before much of these events take place. Stacy. At 04:22 PM 11/08/2002 -0500, you wrote: OK, I'll go with your last

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-08 Thread Stacy Smith
there will be at least 8 people left. But wait! There will be two apostles, which means there must be at least on President, so that's 3 guys plus 21 gals - 28 people. And remember, whoever gives his life for me will be saved. Jon Stacy Smith wrote: I agree, but no matter what we do we will be overrun. I

Re: [ZION] War Against All of Islam

2002-11-08 Thread Stacy Smith
Don't forget that when we started WW II we were pretty much a righteous nation. I frankly don't see how we can really carry on our battles with these people when they aren't any more righteous than the majority of the nation. Stacy. At 04:36 PM 11/08/2002 -0500, you wrote: Ah, but I would

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-08 Thread Stacy Smith
or powers that renders their disability irrelevant. Jon Stacy Smith wrote: If I can't understand how eight people survived after the ark, how will I be able to understand only 28? Suppose some of those 28 are handicapped? Stacy. At 04:27 PM 11/08/2002 -0500, you wrote: Well, we know

Re: [ZION] Best Books

2002-11-08 Thread Stacy Smith
Thomas S. Monson and Boyd K. Packer. Stacy. At 01:44 PM 11/08/2002 -0900, you wrote: Why do you suppose the Lord repeats himself so many times in commanding us to study words of wisdom out of the best books? Is he referring only to the scriptures? Or does he want us to seek out and read

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-08 Thread Stacy Smith
Yes, I've started getting those. Stacy. At 03:26 PM 11/08/2002 -0700, you wrote: Stacy: Yes, but merely in terms of numbers, I guess I was thinking that there wouldn't be too many desirables around to date, etc. How about cooking? We probably would all have to hunt as plant life would not

Re: [ZION] War Against All of Islam

2002-11-08 Thread Stacy Smith
I'd rather have Hinckley than Bush. Stacy. At 03:23 PM 11/08/2002 -0700, you wrote: Jon: Ah, but I would (be so sure of that)! You see, unlike some on this list, I am willing to be led by President Bush. I believe that he is honest and sincere, and that he is no idiot. I don't take

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-08 Thread Stacy Smith
pondering, Stacy Smith favored us with: Or are you thinking we could have manna again? I guess that's a possibility. I guess I'm saying it wouldn't be a very desirable world. Maybe radioactive ravens could bring you morsels. --JWR

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-08 Thread Stacy Smith
Try buying one of those military special gliders that one runs on one's back or whatever. Stacy. At 01:55 PM 11/08/2002 -0900, you wrote: After much pondering, Jon Spencer favored us with: There is no other side of the world anymore, or hadn't you noticed. Of course, it is probably easier to

RE: [ZION] Governing the Least

2002-11-08 Thread Stacy Smith
I've wanted out of here for some time. Does that mean I'm wrong? Stacy. At 02:15 AM 11/09/2002 +, you wrote: Paul Osborne wrote: --- Trust me, you're not alone. I don't care about Jackon County or the second coming or any of the dreaded prophecies of doom. I just want to get my mission

Re: [ZION] Governing the Least

2002-11-08 Thread Stacy Smith
So am I. Stacy. At 07:39 PM 11/08/2002 -0600, you wrote: Since I'd like to spend what remains of my mortal existence in relative comfort, I hope I am dead before much of these events take place. Trust me, you're not alone. I don't care about Jackon County or the second coming or any of the

Re: [ZION] George III continues the tradition of malleable truth

2002-11-08 Thread Stacy Smith
Then we will have to practically police the world. I don't think that is appropriate. Why weren't we sending money overseas to help the people in those countries make better lives instead of trying to make huge profits in this country as businessmen? Stacy. At 06:37 PM 11/08/2002 -0600, you

Re: [ZION] Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego

2002-11-08 Thread Stacy Smith
I'm living in Pasadena, so I'm close also. Stacy. At 02:49 PM 11/08/2002 -0900, you wrote: After much pondering, Stacy Smith favored us with: Going through this world as blind is challenge enough. Going through the same after nuclear attack I cannot fathom. I cannot but think

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-08 Thread Stacy Smith
Dropping currently powerful nuclear bombs could also mean our destruction as a nation, any way you see it. Stacy. At 11:42 PM 11/08/2002 -0600, you wrote: Steve, I still stay that all out war is always on the table when it comes to preserving ones country, religion, and

Re: [ZION] War against all of Islam

2002-11-08 Thread Stacy Smith
I want to assure you that not all Muslims want this but I believe the Islamists do. Stacy. At 11:12 PM 11/08/2002 -0600, you wrote: JWR asked: Do you really think there is any danger that Islam could become a giant threat that engulfs the nations? That seems rather unlikely to me regardless

Re: [ZION] War Against All of Islam

2002-11-08 Thread Stacy Smith
Where do the Mexicans align themselves? Stacy. At 02:01 AM 11/09/2002 -0500, you wrote: Marc, that's great! You can now go to those books and read how we put people into the area immediately, and then built up our forces unilaterally over a several month period before ever establishing an

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-08 Thread Stacy Smith
Then why weren't the Japanese able to overcome the effects? The key here, I believe, is how would we know we had been hit to take the showers? Plus, what if they're laced with bioweapons? Stacy. At 01:52 AM 11/09/2002 -0500, you wrote: Actually, dirty bombs are not a big deal from a

Re: [ZION] War Against All of Islam

2002-11-08 Thread Stacy Smith
Let's get rid of Bush and elect Hinckley. I should have written his name in. Stacy. At 01:31 AM 11/09/2002 -0500, you wrote: But we have both! Jon I'd rather have Hinckley than Bush. Stacy. / /// ZION LIST

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-09 Thread Stacy Smith
aeronautics company to replace the AVRO Arrow, which was cancelled by Diefenbaker, almost certainly under pressure from the U.S. to use their fighters rather than develop our own (which we've done ever since; our workhorse fighters are modified F-18's called CF-18's). Stacy Smith wrote: Then why

Re: [ZION] War against all of Islam

2002-11-09 Thread Stacy Smith
I suppose you have a dim view of all Muslims, then? Or is it just the Islamist factions? Stacy. At 12:09 PM 11/09/2002 -0600, you wrote: If Jewish and Christian fundies don't beat them to it by attacking the Temple Mount. Well, anything is possible. But--you have to consider that the Jews

Re: [ZION] War Against All of Islam

2002-11-09 Thread Stacy Smith
demographic, did): http://www.hispanicvista.com/html2/110302thompson.htm Stacy Smith wrote: Where do the Mexicans align themselves? Stacy. -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland “Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he

Re: [ZION] War Against All of Islam

2002-11-09 Thread Stacy Smith
://www.hispanicvista.com/html2/110302thompson.htm Stacy Smith wrote: Where do the Mexicans align themselves? Stacy. -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland “Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up

Re: [ZION] War Against All of Islam

2002-11-09 Thread Stacy Smith
To my understanding, Saudia Arabia is the next most Islamist state around next to Iraq now. They seem to be the most strict observers. Stacy. At 10:23 AM 11/09/2002 -0700, you wrote: I don't think so. The foreigners had to get their assets into place, too. It wasn't unilateral. In fact, it's

RE: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-09 Thread Stacy Smith
Yes, and for a while I was afraid to eat Hershey bars because I understood the company was in the vacinity of Three Mile Island. Stacy. At 07:08 PM 11/09/2002 +, you wrote: Jon Spencer wrote: --- Of course, with all the hysteria over nuclear power that the envirowackos have stirred up,

Re: [ZION] War against all of Islam

2002-11-09 Thread Stacy Smith
Possibly, but I doubt it. You see, I'm not happy with the way in which the modern Israel was created. It's my contention that the gathering of spiritual Israel began before the political figures got involved and the gathering of the Jews to their homeland wasn't supposed to be happening

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-09 Thread Stacy Smith
And I think you may be a bloodthirsty man. I will not say definitely, however, because I am not supposed to judge mankind, Jesus is. You may very well have good motives, but I think you should watch them closely. Stacy. At 05:54 PM 11/09/2002 -0600, you wrote: Jon wisely said: Those who

Re: [ZION] War against all of Islam

2002-11-09 Thread Stacy Smith
Muhammad Karim, ex-Muslim and Christian. He only disapproves of the way that modern Israel as a nation came into existence. Stacy. At 05:42 PM 11/09/2002 -0600, you wrote: I suppose you have a dim view of all Muslims, then? Or is it just the Islamist factions? Millions upon millions of

Re: [ZION] War against all of Islam

2002-11-09 Thread Stacy Smith
Why doesn't he count? He claims as a Muslim he didn't hate Jews either, only the way modern Israel came into being. I'll name another one who claims to have loved all people. He even married a Christian woman while he was Muslim, namely my sister. He is from Turkey. His name is Tahir

Re: [ZION] Governing the least

2002-11-09 Thread Stacy Smith
I'll agree with those sentiments. Stacy. At 08:50 PM 11/09/2002 -0600, you wrote: Gary, I'm glad you cope so well on this earth. I want it to be as easy as possible and I want the least amount of trials too but that doesn't seem to be my lot. If life as a god is not as happy as I expect it

Re: [ZION] War against all of Islam

2002-11-09 Thread Stacy Smith
There are other sections of the Qur'an, it is true, that tell the soldiers to slaughter unbelievers, but when one talks to most Muslims they claim that this was during the first wars in self-defense from Christian and Jewish opposition and that this has not always held true. At times

RE: [ZION] Social Mormons (was: Liberal dems unveil...)

2002-11-10 Thread Stacy Smith
Sounds like an interesting book. I'll get it. I thought a social Mormon was one who never went to church, used coffee and tea but was involved in cultural events. Stacy. At 07:23 AM 11/10/2002 +, you wrote: If Satan can't intimidate or bully us with physical trials, he'll often try to

Re: [ZION] War against all of Islam

2002-11-10 Thread Stacy Smith
In addition, there are Christian Arabs who feel the same way about the modern Jewish state. I can't name the author right now, but perhaps you can find it on the internet. Read a book entitled BLOOD BROTHERS and then tell me how you feel about the issue. I played hookey today but for a good

Re: [ZION] Removing Christianity from US history

2002-11-10 Thread Stacy Smith
I want to see more of this kind of stuff. Where can I find more? Stacy. At 06:15 AM 11/11/2002 +, you wrote: http://www.abbottloop.org/alconweb/pol_news/mythafa.htm During the French and Indian War, the 23-year-old Washington was fighting with the British against the French who were

Re: [ZION] One Party Rule?

2002-11-11 Thread Stacy Smith
Very good! Stacy. At 04:11 PM 11/11/2002 -0700, you wrote: I guess I should repost the interview with Pres. Marlin K. Jensen after all. This is the interview where he discusses and clarifies a letter that had been sent out to stake presidents to be read in all wards in at least the United

Re: [ZION] Removing Christianity from US history

2002-11-11 Thread Stacy Smith
by a Protestant preacher, iirc, in the 19th century. Stacy Smith wrote: I want to see more of this kind of stuff. Where can I find more? Stacy. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com

Re: [ZION] War against Islam

2002-11-11 Thread Stacy Smith
I agree that the Islamists are gaining power. Stacy. At 09:25 PM 11/11/2002 -0600, you wrote: Islam is gaining power in much of the Western world. Already in the Norway, they make up 10% of the population, which is a huge part of the voting bloc. With such a power bloc like that, politicians

Re: [ZION] One party rule?

2002-11-12 Thread Stacy Smith
I think what everyone means by socialists are the people informally who believe that the government should pay for health care for everyone regardless of income or social status, not necessarily those that belong to the Communist party or groups thereof. I think this needs to be clarified

Re: [ZION] One party rule?

2002-11-12 Thread Stacy Smith
In my opinion the more parties the better. Stacy. At 07:00 AM 11/12/2002 -0900, you wrote: After much pondering, Gary Smith favored us with: I think the problem in a one party system is shown historically. The South became polarized to the Democratic party in the 1850s, with other parties

Re: [ZION] One party rule?

2002-11-12 Thread Stacy Smith
Well, I had a rather different idea about what kind of parties to have. Lol. Stacy. At 02:18 PM 11/12/2002 -0500, you wrote: At 11:00 11/12/2002 -0800, you wrote: In my opinion the more parties the better. YES!!! the more the merrier. Now who's bringing the cookies? the green

Re: [ZION] Social Mormons (was: Liberal dems unveil...)

2002-11-12 Thread Stacy Smith
Then I'm in trouble because I use lots of convenience foods because I have trouble cooking. I guess I'll have to tell the bishop that I'm working on substituting some soy products for meat dishes but I'll need to know where soy TV dinners, etc. exist. Stacy. At 11:46 AM 11/12/2002 -0700, you

Re: [ZION] One party rule?

2002-11-12 Thread Stacy Smith
. The disabled should have it insofar as they are able to live in a free society and having liberty. Everyone? No. Stacy. At 12:36 PM 11/12/2002 -0600, you wrote: In a previous post, Stacy Smith wrote, I think what everyone means by socialists are the people informally who believe

Re: [ZION] Magnetic Personality

2002-11-12 Thread Stacy Smith
It's a tragedy these things happen. Everyone who goes into an MRI room should be trained and no unauthorized person should be allowed in. Stacy. At 10:56 PM 11/12/2002 -0700, you wrote: It seems that the incident actually did happen. Here's a typical report that came up when I did a Fetch

Re: [ZION] Magnetic Personality

2002-11-13 Thread Stacy Smith
Well, I wasn't talking about the patient, of course not, just the workers. Stacy. At 07:31 AM 11/13/2002 -0500, you wrote: At 23:38 11/12/2002 -0800, St Stacy wrote: It's a tragedy these things happen. Everyone who goes into an MRI room should be trained and no unauthorized person should be

Re: [ZION] Hardwired for God?

2002-11-16 Thread Stacy Smith
That's the very conclusion I've come to. Stacy. At 11:37 PM 11/13/2002 -0700, you wrote: Steven Montgomery wrote: I agree with you regarding the basis for materialism. Marxist scientists have for decades attempted to establish a material basis for spiritual experiences, that is nothing

Re: [ZION] Coffee beans

2002-11-16 Thread Stacy Smith
I agree that there are more sensible alternatives. Doctors need to be sensitive to religious backgrounds as well as physical conditions. Stacy. At 11:32 PM 11/13/2002 -0700, you wrote: I know someone for whom this is also the case, although for a different condition. But I think today

Re: [ZION] Social Mormons (was: Liberal dems unveil...)

2002-11-16 Thread Stacy Smith
What else does coffee have in it besides caffeine? Are there other active ingredients? Stacy. At 03:08 PM 11/12/2002 -0600, you wrote: Marc wrote: Many people assume it means no caffeine, but if that were the case a good portion of OTC drugs that we take would be verboten. Is decaff okay? No.

Re: [ZION] Governing the Least

2002-11-16 Thread Stacy Smith
Didn't the Nephites adopt something similar in terms of freedom of religion, etc.? I don't mean a President and Congress, however. Stacy. At 06:28 PM 11/09/2002 -0500, you wrote: Just shows to go that if the world were full of smart and humble people, they would have long ago adopted our

Re: [ZION] Coffee, Tea or Eternity

2002-11-16 Thread Stacy Smith
. Pepper, they are ecstatic. I have not yet been able to get local bottlers to get the caffeine free DP here. your sis in Mishawaka val On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 10:11:19 -0800 Stacy Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What else does coffee have in it besides caffeine? Are there other active ingredients

[ZION] Does America Need To Be Destroyed As It Is In Its Current Form?

2002-11-16 Thread Stacy Smith
What is your current belief concerning the United States? Does it need to be destroyed in its present form--White House, Congressional buildings, Pentagon, etc., as Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden think or should it remain with its current governmental structural architecture? I know that

Re: [ZION] Social Mormons (was: Liberal dems unveil...)

2002-11-16 Thread Stacy Smith
It shocked me to realize that coffee has theophylline in it. That's considered a medicine by doctors. I think it dilates the bronchials. Interesting. Stacy. At 08:03 PM 11/16/2002 -0700, you wrote: Interesting -- I didn't know that. A case of faux amis (false cognates). So what's phylline

Re: [ZION] Does America Need To Be Destroyed As It Is In Its Current Form?

2002-11-16 Thread Stacy Smith
I guess I'm referring to the next couple of years or so. Stacy. At 06:05 PM 11/16/2002 -0700, you wrote: To complicate the question, one might also ask what is the future of nation-states in general? // /// ZION

RE: [ZION] Hogwarts and all

2002-11-16 Thread Stacy Smith
I'm much less enthused by Harry Potter. This was discussed on another list, so I'll just say that I think it could encourage young people in a totally different direction. Maybe I'll have to eat humble pie and read all of the books to find out because so many LDS people seem to be in favor

[ZION] Something Else To Ponder

2002-11-16 Thread Stacy Smith
I've long suspected that psychoactive drugs, while helping someone to feel better, also lessens perception of personal revelation. Am I right? Stacy. At 05:59 AM 11/17/2002 +, you wrote: Quick recap and primer for all interested parties (or should I say, both interested parties):

Re: [ZION] Coffee, Tea or Eternity

2002-11-18 Thread Stacy Smith
The reason I can't drink that barley drink is that I haven't found a good way to measure it easily. Stacy. At 09:33 AM 11/18/2002 -0700, you wrote: John W. Redelfs wrote: Stacy Smith wrote: Then why can't the church take an active stance on caffeine if that is the real problem

Re: [ZION] Hogwarts and all

2002-11-18 Thread Stacy Smith
As a young girl I never cared to play with dolls. Stacy. At 08:01 PM 11/17/2002 -0600, you wrote: Well, I'll confess that I've been seen occasionally at the DnD table with my son and his friends. My current character, an Elven priest, was zapped into oblivion recently. While I've been busy

[ZION] Mail Returning

2002-11-19 Thread Stacy Smith
On another list it was possible to stop my own mail from coming back to me. Do we have such a provision on this list? Stacy. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html

[ZION] No Desire To Discuss What Is Forbidden

2002-11-19 Thread Stacy Smith
Guys and gals, I finally read the charter just now. I found out, to my utter delight, that I haven't violated any charter rules, nor did I ever have a desire to discuss such topics as are forbidden by charter rules. It seems as though I have already been obeying charter rules without even

RE: [ZION] Something Else To Ponder

2002-11-19 Thread Stacy Smith
The question then remains: Can we legitimately use substances which would lower our anxiety level, especially if those substances are said to be nonaddictive? Stacy. At 05:52 PM 11/19/2002 +, you wrote: -Stacy- I've long suspected that psychoactive drugs, while helping someone to feel

Re: [ZION] Something Else To Ponder

2002-11-19 Thread Stacy Smith
forgotten your sins. What a waste for Him to forget them and for you not to? Otherwise, why did He go through the Atonement for you (and me)? Jut a kindly and humbly administered slap to shake you out of it! Jon - Original Message - From: Stacy Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL

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