At 16:20 11/10/2002 -0900, BLT wrote:
Another was "the shot heard 'round the world" fired at Lexington and
Concord. I wish we could do it again. It would have been wonderful to
have lived in that day when freedom was a flame upon every lip, or at least
every lip that mattered.
I stood in
There are many who profess to be religious and speak of themselves as
Christians, and, according to one such, "as accepting the scriptures
only as sources of inspiration and moral truth," and then ask in their
smugness: "Do the revelations of God give us a handrail to the kingdom
of God, as th
Too true, but there really were overlapping and conflicting claims, even amongst
the 13 colonies, let alone the rest of British North America (remember that there
weren't just 13 colonies -- it's just that you learn about those specifically
because they're later what became the USA). But I seem to
I was going from memory, as I implied, so will do some more research into this.
It could be that it was something from the English Revolution (the so-called
Glorious Revolution of the late 17th century).
"John W. Redelfs" wrote:
> After much pondering, Marc A. Schindler favored us with:
> >Incide
After much pondering, Marc A. Schindler favored us with:
Incidentally true conservatism as we understand it outside the US is
"Toryism,"
and seeks merely to preserve the status quo. It is most ironic to me that
the one
single thing that led to Thatcher's downfall was her imposition of a poll
ta
After much pondering, Marc A. Schindler favored us with:
Hmm, I seem to recall from my 10th grade civics class that there was a
stamp tax
and a poll tax. The Quebec Act was only "intolerable" because it put a
quick end
to the fantasy that the rights of the Atlantic colonies extended forever
west
I understand that. I was talking about the *British* imposing a poll tax on the
colonies. I admit I'm only going from memory -- I just thought that was one of
the intolerable acts. In any case, that Thatcher did this puts her in clear
violation of the US constitutional principles she claims to have
Hmm, I seem to recall from my 10th grade civics class that there was a stamp tax
and a poll tax. The Quebec Act was only "intolerable" because it put a quick end
to the fantasy that the rights of the Atlantic colonies extended forever
westwards.
Steven Montgomery wrote:
> At 10:56 AM 11/10/2002,
24th Amendment
The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or
other election for President or Vice President, for electors for
President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in
Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any
State by r
At 12:26 PM 11/10/02, Steven Montgomery wrote:
At 10:56 AM 11/10/2002, you wrote:
It's something the party takes a lot of ribbing for, but arose because in the
Depression era, or even early for all I can remember, the Prairie-based
Populist
group, the Progressives, joined with the Tory, Bay Stre
At 10:56 AM 11/10/2002, you wrote:
It's something the party takes a lot of ribbing for, but arose because in the
Depression era, or even early for all I can remember, the Prairie-based
Populist
group, the Progressives, joined with the Tory, Bay Street boys, the
Conservatives.
Incidentally true c
It's something the party takes a lot of ribbing for, but arose because in the
Depression era, or even early for all I can remember, the Prairie-based Populist
group, the Progressives, joined with the Tory, Bay Street boys, the
Conservatives.
Incidentally true conservatism as we understand it outsi
At 09:23 PM 11/9/2002, Marc wrote:
in my opinion). Melchin is Progressive Conservative, which is the dynasty
here,
and has been since 1970 or so.
Now there's an oxymoron if I ever heard one. How can one claim to be a
"progressive" (which has socialist roots) and conservative (which
ostensibly
Jim Cobabe wrote:
> It is further obvious to me that some onlookers to the political scene
> lack the discernment to note that good and honest people cannot in good
> conscience affiliate, without serious reservations, with either of the
> major political groups in this country. I have every co
It is further obvious to me that some onlookers to the political scene
lack the discernment to note that good and honest people cannot in good
conscience affiliate, without serious reservations, with either of the
major political groups in this country. I have every confidence that
noted Chur
Actually I've pondered the possibility of running as a democrat in the next
State House election. The incumbent who just got reelected ran unopposed,
there was no challenger from the Democratic Party.
--
Steven Montgomery
At 08:18 PM 11/9/2002, you wrote:
Not so far to the left that at least tw
At 08:17 PM 11/9/2002, you wrote:
Steven Montgomery wrote:
---
I'm just as concerned about one party domination as you are. One problem
is that the Democratic Party has steered themselves way too far to the
left.
---
It appears to me that partisan affiliation is largely irrelevant, at
least at t
Not so far to the left that at least two well-known GAs have been active in the
Utah party: Presidents Marlin K. Jensen and Faust. Pres. Jensen explained why, and
what he felt he and like-minded LDS could do as a leavening contributor, in his
famous interview with the Trib.
Steven Montgomery wrote
Steven Montgomery wrote:
---
I'm just as concerned about one party domination as you are. One problem
is that the Democratic Party has steered themselves way too far to the
left.
---
It appears to me that partisan affiliation is largely irrelevant, at
least at the national level. Both major n
I'm just as concerned about one party domination as you are. One problem is
that the Democratic Party has steered themselves way too far to the left.
Meanwhile the Republican Party is full of RINO's (Republican in name only).
What I meant to say previously was that there is no requirement that t
dust under my bed to fit either bugbears OR guilt under my bed.
>
> Jon
>
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Jon Spencer wrote:
> You sound quite a bit like McAuliffe and Daschle! Blame is a liberal
vice.
You'd never know that by hanging out around here :-/
Bush has total control of the Administration and Congress, but there's
That may be why Pres. Hinckley asked Pres. Jensen to give an interview to the
Tribune to underscore the point -- too many Utahns didn't understand the point the
first time around. Even afterwards, one Rep. rep. publicly criticized Pres. Jensen
for what he said. The guy has more guts than I do -- I'
Indeed. This is also what seems to have happened in Turkey with the recent
election, incidentally. A party with Islamist roots appears to have a much more
pragmatic platform (in any case, Turkey's constitution declares the secular
nature of the country, and the military have traditionally reined in
Who says there needs to be two major parties? I didn't read that in the 1st
Presidency statement. The Democratic demise would pave the way for one of
the third party movements, the Constitution party, Libertarian party,
Independent American Party, etc.
--
Steven Montgomery
At 09:17 AM 11/9/200
Jon Spencer wrote:
> You sound quite a bit like McAuliffe and Daschle! Blame is a liberal vice.
You'd never know that by hanging out around here :-/
Bush has total control of the Administration and Congress, but there's still
bugbears under your bed, it seems.
--
Marc A. Schindler
Spruce Grov
So the official 1st presidency statement of Jan 98 expressing concern at the
predominance of one party in Utah, is like water off a duck's back for you?
Steven Montgomery wrote:
> At 07:20 PM 11/8/2002, you wrote:
> >After much pondering, Steven Montgomery favored us with:
> >>If the Democratic p
-Jim-
> Senator Peolosi from San Francisco is being groomed to take
> over the top of the Dem heap in the Congress [...] It will be
> truly gratifying if such openly radical nuts dominate in the
> new Democrat organization.
-John-
>> [Steven] Choosing Senator Pelosi will ring a death knell for
>>
You sound quite a bit like McAuliffe and Daschle! Blame is a liberal vice.
Are you saying that it was not the Senate which has held up all of the
judicial appointments, or homeland security, or prescription drugs, or
?
And the threat from the Dems is not over. You need 60 votes in the Senat
At 07:20 PM 11/8/2002, you wrote:
After much pondering, Steven Montgomery favored us with:
If the Democratic party hopes to survive they would be wise to move to
the center by backing Rep. Martin Frost of Texas, a moderate. Which is
what I think will happen. Choosing Senator Pelosi will ring a
After much pondering, Steven Montgomery favored us with:
If the Democratic party hopes to survive they would be wise to move to the
center by backing Rep. Martin Frost of Texas, a moderate. Which is what I
think will happen. Choosing Senator Pelosi will ring a death knell for the
Democratic Par
At 06:27 PM 11/8/2002, you wrote:
Senator Peolosi from San Francisco is being groomed to take over the top
of the Dem heap in the Congress, while many of the other rats abandon
the sinking ship. Appears that she doesn't even attempt to hide her
whacked-out leftist socialist feminazi idealism. N
If I were you, I'd be more worried about what might happen if Administration
policies fail. There's no Democratic Congress to blame anymore.
Jim Cobabe wrote:
> Senator Peolosi from San Francisco is being groomed to take over the top
> of the Dem heap in the Congress, while many of the other rats
Senator Peolosi from San Francisco is being groomed to take over the top
of the Dem heap in the Congress, while many of the other rats abandon
the sinking ship. Appears that she doesn't even attempt to hide her
whacked-out leftist socialist feminazi idealism. Near as I can tell,
she is an ic
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