Pres. Harold B. Lee had an interesting aphorism. He said, "It's okay to rescue
your ox from the mire on Sunday. But not if you pushed him into it on Saturday
evening." (he meant: prepare yourselves for the Sabbath ahead of time to the
extent you can)
Geoff FOWLER wrote:
> >>> Scott favored us wit
>>> Scott favored us with the following: >>>
>I tend to use (not abuse) the "Ox in the mire" philosophy. For
>instance, there was a time a few months back where I had to
>run to the store for something we really needed on a Sunday.
>I felt really bad about it, and resolved more strongly to antic
On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 07:25:28 -0800, "Doug McGee"
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> I did go to a restaurant on a Sunday back in June. We were on vacation
> and figured we had to eat something.
Hmm, so it is ok to break the sabbath on vacation? You probably should
have bought something the night bef
*Some* of that criticism of the Repubs is deserved, I think -- Bush was tight with
oil interests, which is okay, but he allowed further deregulations which basically
allowed companies to hide a lot of stuff from their shareholders.
Not that we're lily-white, either. The TSX (the Toronto Stock Exch
Well, I'm sure you know that has changed today (although I'm not responding directly
to your implication that it would be with nuclear weapons -- the doctrine was that
during the
Cold War we would have been the "Belgium" if a nuclear exchange broke out between the
US and the USSR, as we're smack
Gary said:
>women reproductive issues - I can't use the real term because it is
>against charter,
Yeah but we knew what you meant.
;-)
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John:
Speaking of unlawful transfer of property, a couple of days ago my son made
an interesting observation. He said that the USA provides a national
defense for Canada and gets Canada to pay for it by abusing trade
regulations. I'm not sure you would agree with the first half of the
stateme
Marc:
I don't care whose watch they were codified under -- they're still laws
which
allow for unlawful transfer of property.
Dan:
Oh, I agree, but on this side of the border and prior to the elections, the
standard complaint was that the Enron debacle was the sole fault of the
Republicans. I wa
> In effect we've struck a devil's bargain -- raw materials and geography in turn
> for huddling under your nuclear umbrella, so your son's actually not far off the
> mark.
I'd feel much safer without the umbrella, especially since 11 September 2001. No one
has ever yet given me a list of t
>The United
>Order was voluntary, socialism isn't. That is a pretty big difference
in
>my book.
Of course your right, John. Why didn't I think of that?
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>In my opinion the more parties the better.
>
>Stacy.
>
>I agree. . .party on, dude!!
Yeahh! Let's all have a party!!
:-)))
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I give up. You have indeed trapped me in a time warp. Just don't mess up the 31st
century, where I come from.
Jon Spencer wrote:
> But how do you know that then is not now?
>
> Jon
>
> Marc A. Schindler wrote:
>
> Maybe. But that will be then. This is now, and we're to listen to the
> counsel
> w
In effect we've struck a devil's bargain -- raw materials and geography in turn
for huddling under your nuclear umbrella, so your son's actually not far off the
mark.
"John W. Redelfs" wrote:
> After much pondering, Marc A. Schindler favored us with:
> >I don't care whose watch they were codified
I have heard that one of the most profitable times for Dominos in Provo is
the 12 am shift on Monday morning.
Jon
Paul Osborne wrote:
> I've snuck out a few times over the years and it makes me feel guilty.
> But, when I've gone shopping after midnight (Monday morning) my
> conscience is as clea
At 07:25 AM 11/12/2002 -0800, Doug wrote:
Yup, us bad old Utah Mormons..
Don't be redundant.
Rick Mathis
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Stacy Smith wrote:
> In my opinion the more parties the better.
>
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But how do you know that then is not now?
Jon
Marc A. Schindler wrote:
Maybe. But that will be then. This is now, and we're to listen to the
counsel
we're given now.
Jim Cobabe wrote:
> "One party rule" will eventually fulfil the prophetic vision of early
> Church leaders. There will be only
After much pondering, Marc A. Schindler favored us with:
I don't care whose watch they were codified under -- they're still laws which
allow for unlawful transfer of property.
Speaking of unlawful transfer of property, a couple of days ago my son made
an interesting observation. He said that t
I don't care whose watch they were codified under -- they're still laws which
allow for unlawful transfer of property.
Dan R Allen wrote:
> "John W. Redelfs" wrote:
>
> > For instance, to me a "socialist" is anyone who advocates government
> > redistribution of the wealth from those who produce
Well, you'll note how most of his projects end up.
"Elmer L. Fairbank" wrote:
> At 12:46 11/12/2002 -0700, M Marc wrote:
> >This is a concept we're well acquainted with in Canada, where we separate
> >the Head
> >of State from Head of Government. The Head of State (the husband) is purely
> >c
After much pondering, Geoff FOWLER favored us with:
Will you please post some of the references you used in your family
night? I would be interested in reading them.
Discourses of Brigham Young, pp. 305-310. --JWR
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After much pondering, Paul Osborne favored us with:
Plunder?? Can we read about this in the D&C? Consecration? United Order?
Let us take from the riches of John Redelfs and give to poor Paul
Osborne! After all, we are all brethren and we should be more equal in
wealth. Right?
I'll take a bucket o
After much pondering, Paul Osborne favored us with:
Plunder?? Can we read about this in the D&C? Consecration? United Order?
Let us take from the riches of John Redelfs and give to poor Paul
Osborne! After all, we are all brethren and we should be more equal in
wealth. Right?
If you need anythin
>>> John Redelfs favored us with: >>>
>You bet I do. That's called corporate welfare, and is just as
disgusting
>as any other kind, even more so because the big weenies already sleep
in
>nice beds and beautiful homes. Brigham Young had some interesting
things
>to say about the distribution of
After much pondering, Marc A. Schindler favored us with:
Such as laws which allowed the workers of Enron to have their pension
funds robbed
by the big brass (sorry, I couldn't resist, although I'm sure John
would actually agree).
You bet I do. That's called corporate welfare, and is just a
JWR said:
>I am opposed to the concept of legal plunder which is
>using the law to steal from one man and give it to another. And the
>Democrats have pretty much built their party on that concept.
Plunder?? Can we read about this in the D&C? Consecration? United Order?
Let us take from the ric
Irwin wrote,
"A strong federal government is a must in order to
protect the rights of the minority."
Paul:
I agree, just so long as they don't step on my right while in the process
of protecting others. ;-)
Dan:
A strong federal government is also a must in order to eliminate the rights
of a
"John W. Redelfs" wrote:
> For instance, to me a "socialist" is anyone who advocates government
> redistribution of the wealth from those who produce wealth to those who
> don't. Using that definition the Democratic party is definitely
controlled
> by socialists. But then using that definiti
At 12:46 11/12/2002 -0700, M Marc wrote:
This is a concept we're well acquainted with in Canada, where we separate
the Head
of State from Head of Government. The Head of State (the husband) is purely
ceremonial and only really needed in times of crisis ;-)
You mean Red was giving me bad advice
>>> Paul wrote: >>>
>I've snuck out a few times over the years and it makes me feel
guilty.
>But, when I've gone shopping after midnight (Monday morning) my
>conscience is as clear as can be. What do you think of that? I love
those
>loopholes. ;-)
I don't consider them loopholes at all. When I sta
I would refrain from making such comments on the list in case certain
persons come on this list that are known between us. I wasn't trying to
correct you but only giving my views on the subject for the list. Do I
believe everyone should have free health care? Too expensive in my
opinion. Th
This is a concept we're well acquainted with in Canada, where we separate the Head
of State from Head of Government. The Head of State (the husband) is purely
ceremonial and only really needed in times of crisis ;-)
"John W. Redelfs" wrote:
> After much pondering, Irwin Delay favored us with:
> >
Irwin wrote,
"A strong federal government is a must in order to
protect the rights of the minority."
I agree, just so long as they don't step on my right while in the process
of protecting others. ;-)
Paul O
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>I've been thinking of becoming a Democrat. I can't see a nickle's worth
of
>difference between Democrats and Republicans except in their
>rhetoric. They both vote the same wrong way on the issues that matter
to
>me. And since I never vote for the candidate of either party, why not
be a
>Dem
Well, I had a rather different idea about what kind of parties to have. Lol.
Stacy.
At 02:18 PM 11/12/2002 -0500, you wrote:
At 11:00 11/12/2002 -0800, you wrote:
In my opinion the more parties the better.
YES!!! the more the merrier. Now who's bringing the cookies? the
green jell
>What I read into Elder Jensen's article is if the Democratic party isn't
>what we want it to be, then perhaps if enough of us were to switch over
>to it, we could change it for the better. We'd kick the socialists out
of
>it and into the Green Party (or other socialist party of one's choice),
>and
>Thinking back, I don't recall the last time I was even at a grocery
store or
>any other kind of store on a Sunday.
I've snuck out a few times over the years and it makes me feel guilty.
But, when I've gone shopping after midnight (Monday morning) my
conscience is as clear as can be. What do you
"John W. Redelfs" wrote:
> For instance, to me a "socialist" is anyone who advocates government
> redistribution of the wealth from those who produce wealth to those who
> don't. Using that definition the Democratic party is definitely controlled
> by socialists. But then using that definitio
At 11:00 11/12/2002 -0800, you wrote:
In my opinion the more parties the better.
YES!!! the more the merrier. Now who's bringing the cookies? the
green jello
Till the party animal
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At 11:42 11/12/2002 -0700, M Marc wrote:
And politicians are like underwear: they need to be
changed periodically.
And dunked in suds and hung out to dry. (or would taken to the cleaners
be better? no, that's what they do to us)
Till the ever watchful
Well said, and welcome to the list, Irwin.
Irwin Delay wrote:
> Hello, my name is Irwin Delay. I recently joined the list. Although I am not
> a Latter-day Saint, I have been reading LDS literature for the past three
> years. Also, I am engaged to a Latter-day Saint.
>
> I must respond to the sta
Jim Cobabe wrote:
> Gary Smith wrote:
> ---
> What I read into Elder Jensen's article is if the Democratic party isn't
> what we want it to be, then perhaps if enough of us were to switch over
> to it, we could change it for the better.
> ---
>
> I read the same, underlining the "perhaps". Thes
In my opinion the more parties the better.
Stacy.
At 07:00 AM 11/12/2002 -0900, you wrote:
After much pondering, Gary Smith favored us with:
I think the problem in a one party system is shown historically. The
South became polarized to the Democratic party in the 1850s, with other
parties bein
-Irwin-
> Thanks for the clarification. We are not even married yet and
> I need to be corrected. (grin)
-John-
> After you are married, you will get all the correction you need.
That's what I thought at first, but Michelle informs me that this is a
slanderous falsehood.
Stephen
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Yeah, fundamentalists are taking control all over the place. Pretty sad, isn't it?
Jim Cobabe wrote:
>
> Perhaps the motivation behind liberal rhetoric reacting to the
> Republican domination in US politics is more instructive than all the
> supposedly moderate and centrist Democrat voices urging
Gary Smith wrote:
> I think the problem in a one party system is shown historically. The
> South became polarized to the Democratic party in the 1850s, with other
> parties being totally squeezed out (Republicans, Whigs, Know-Nothings,
> etc)
Well, actually the Know-Nothings became known as Sou
After much pondering, Irwin Delay favored us with:
Thanks for the clarification. We are not even married yet and I need to be
corrected. (grin)
After you are married, you will get all the correction you need. --JWR
//
At 09:42 11/12/2002 -0800, Stacy wrote:
I think what everyone means by "socialists" are the people informally who
believe that the government should pay for health care for everyone
regardless of income or social status, not necessarily those that belong
to the Communist party or groups thereof
In a previous post, Stacy Smith wrote, "I think what everyone means by
"socialists" are the people informally who
believe that the government should pay for health care for everyone
regardless of income or social status, not necessarily those that belong to
the Communist party or groups thereof. I
I think what everyone means by "socialists" are the people informally who
believe that the government should pay for health care for everyone
regardless of income or social status, not necessarily those that belong to
the Communist party or groups thereof. I think this needs to be clarified
so
After much pondering, Irwin Delay favored us with:
Hello, my name is Irwin Delay. I recently joined the list. Although I am not
a Latter-day Saint, I have been reading LDS literature for the past three
years. Also, I am engaged to a Latter-day Saint.
Welcome to the list, Irwin. Congratulation o
We hicks out here in the stayx don't shop on Sundays (speaking for me and my
house, anywho). I won't even put gas in the car on Sunday. We always make sure
there's enough gas in the cars on Saturday so that whoever is taking a vehicle
into Edmonton Monday morning has enough.
Doug McGee wrote:
> Y
Hello, my name is Irwin Delay. I recently joined the list. Although I am not
a Latter-day Saint, I have been reading LDS literature for the past three
years. Also, I am engaged to a Latter-day Saint.
I must respond to the statements of Gerald Smith. Let me first say I am an
unapologetic, flaming l
Gary Smith wrote:
---
What I read into Elder Jensen's article is if the Democratic party isn't
what we want it to be, then perhaps if enough of us were to switch over
to it, we could change it for the better.
---
I read the same, underlining the "perhaps". These are matters of
personal choice
After much pondering, Gary Smith favored us with:
I think the problem in a one party system is shown historically. The
South became polarized to the Democratic party in the 1850s, with other
parties being totally squeezed out (Republicans, Whigs, Know-Nothings,
etc). This one party system then all
Perhaps the motivation behind liberal rhetoric reacting to the
Republican domination in US politics is more instructive than all the
supposedly moderate and centrist Democrat voices urging respect and
tolerance for their views. Perhaps Bill Moyers editorial gives a better
picture of what the
After much pondering, Doug McGee favored us with:
Yup, us bad old Utah Mormons..
Gosh, I haven't been to the Mall on a Sunday yet. I must just not know what
I'm missing. Do they have free entertainment on Sundays???
Thinking back, I don't recall the last time I was even at a grocery store
After much pondering, Jon Spencer favored us with:
Then I think that ALL Utah Mormons should be ex'ed. Hmmm - good bye
President Hinckley.
Are you suggesting that President Hinckley goes shopping at the mall on
Sunday?
OK, so that won't work. How about this? Set up a booth in the malls whi
Yup, us bad old Utah Mormons..
Gosh, I haven't been to the Mall on a Sunday yet. I must just not know what
I'm missing. Do they have free entertainment on Sundays???
Thinking back, I don't recall the last time I was even at a grocery store or
any other kind of store on a Sunday.
I did go t
Then I think that ALL Utah Mormons should be ex'ed. Hmmm - good bye
President Hinckley.
OK, so that won't work. How about this? Set up a booth in the malls which
will give $100 to anyone with a temple recommend. Collect the names. After
a few weeks, ex them all!
Yes!
By the way, when I get a
Most of the concern about Utah Democrats wasting away to nothing is
misplaced anyway. Democrats have always been well represented as a
minority in state politics. There are regularly Democrat members of the
Utah delegation to the US Congress, as with the current Sentator
Matheson, and former
I understand that the Church does not endorse any political policy,
except in cases where a moral issue is involved. There is a strong
effort to avoid the suggestion that the platform of a particular
political party represents or has the unilateral backing of the Church.
This has been the po
-Marc-
> [Previously] One party domination is in direct defiance of the
> Brethren.
> [Now] Also, you've missed a quite legitimate parsing of my
> sentence. When one says x is in defiance of y, that implies
> that "belief in x" is in defiance of y.
Okay, that's reasonable. I don't agree with it, b
Maybe. But that will be then. This is now, and we're to listen to the counsel
we're given now.
Jim Cobabe wrote:
> "One party rule" will eventually fulfil the prophetic vision of early
> Church leaders. There will be only one party that follows the Lord.
> Everyone else will follow the adversary
Stephen Beecroft wrote:
> -Marc-
> > One party domination is in direct defiance of the Brethren.
>
> "Defiance"? Institutions are not capable of defiance, only individuals.
> Which individuals do you believe are in defiance of the Brethren?
Well, for starters the Republican congressman who publ
Steven Montgomery wrote:
> At 04:11 PM 11/11/2002, Marc wrote:
>
> > Here in Utah in part I think it's related to the fact that the
> > Democratic
> >Party has in the last 20 years waned to the point where it really is
> >almost not a
> >factor in our political life right now. And I think
After much pondering, Marc A. Schindler favored us with:
I guess I should repost the interview with Pres. Marlin K. Jensen after
all. This
is the interview where he discusses and clarifies a letter that had been
sent out
to stake presidents to be read in all wards in at least the United States.
"One party rule" will eventually fulfil the prophetic vision of early
Church leaders. There will be only one party that follows the Lord.
Everyone else will follow the adversary. Ultimately this is the only
partisan association that matters. While this may not be the pattern
for this day,
-Marc-
> One party domination is in direct defiance of the Brethren.
"Defiance"? Institutions are not capable of defiance, only individuals.
Which individuals do you believe are in defiance of the Brethren? The
leaders of the Republican party in Utah? Any Utah Republicans? Any LDS
Republicans?
Very good!
Stacy.
At 04:11 PM 11/11/2002 -0700, you wrote:
I guess I should repost the interview with Pres. Marlin K. Jensen after
all. This
is the interview where he discusses and clarifies a letter that had been
sent out
to stake presidents to be read in all wards in at least the United Sta
At 04:11 PM 11/11/2002, Marc wrote:
Here in Utah in part I think it's related to the fact that the
Democratic
Party has in the last 20 years waned to the point where it really is
almost not a
factor in our political life right now. And I think there is a feeling
that that
is not healthy
I guess I should repost the interview with Pres. Marlin K. Jensen after all. This
is the interview where he discusses and clarifies a letter that had been sent out
to stake presidents to be read in all wards in at least the United States. One
party domination is in direct defiance of the Brethren.
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