Re: [ZODB-Dev] SpatialIndex

2010-06-29 Thread Enrique Perez
Hi, On 30/06/10 00:39, Nitro wrote: > > This is all very useful information. Thanks for the pointers Laurence. > I'm glad you(we)'ve come up to a useful conclussion: we need clear, ordered, findable, consensued information (documentation) on a very complex technological organism. (Thanks Alan

Re: [ZODB-Dev] SpatialIndex

2010-06-29 Thread Nitro
Am 28.06.2010, 23:42 Uhr, schrieb Laurence Rowe : > On 28 June 2010 21:27, Nitro wrote: >> ZODB is a general python object database with a much wider audience than >> just plone. It suits desktop applications just as well as applications >> you'd normally use twisted and pickle for. Forcing all t

Re: [ZODB-Dev] SpatialIndex

2010-06-28 Thread Shane Hathaway
On 06/28/2010 07:29 PM, Nitro wrote: > P.S.: This will be my last lengthy mail about this topic. I'll rather > spend time writing blog entries for the docs project. That sounds fine. Shane ___ For more information about ZODB, see the ZODB Wiki: http://w

Re: [ZODB-Dev] SpatialIndex

2010-06-28 Thread Nitro
Am 28.06.2010, 23:30 Uhr, schrieb Shane Hathaway : > Matthias, > > You are conflating two conversations, and as a result you are reacting > to the non-stated suggestion that the packaging system provides > sufficient stability information to consumers. I've experienced the packaging system is

Re: [ZODB-Dev] SpatialIndex

2010-06-28 Thread Laurence Rowe
On 28 June 2010 21:27, Nitro wrote: > ZODB is a general python object database with a much wider audience than > just plone. It suits desktop applications just as well as applications > you'd normally use twisted and pickle for. Forcing all those zope > dependencies like buildout on people does no

Re: [ZODB-Dev] SpatialIndex

2010-06-28 Thread Shane Hathaway
Matthias, You are conflating two conversations, and as a result you are reacting to the non-stated suggestion that the packaging system provides sufficient stability information to consumers. That suggestion would obviously be false, since anyone, including people with hostile intentions, can

Re: [ZODB-Dev] SpatialIndex

2010-06-28 Thread Laurence Rowe
On 28 June 2010 19:31, Nitro wrote: > Am 28.06.2010, 16:52 Uhr, schrieb Laurence Rowe : > >> So why don't we all work on the same packages? The main reason is one >> of legacy. Plone is built on Zope2 and ZCatalog. It works, but it is >> not without it's issues - we can't have queries that join fr

Re: [ZODB-Dev] SpatialIndex

2010-06-28 Thread Nitro
Am 28.06.2010, 20:31 Uhr, schrieb Shane Hathaway : > Around here, Python packages are how we communicate code. Think of a > released package as a well-refined email. If you choose not to release > packages, you are really choosing not to communicate through the > established channels, so m

Re: [ZODB-Dev] SpatialIndex

2010-06-28 Thread Jim Fulton
On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Alan Runyan wrote: ... >> No it can't. ZODB isn't a namespace package and can't be one without >> breaking backward compatibility. > > Should it be a namespace package over the long term? Not IMO. That's partly because I think ZODB should be small. I also don't t

Re: [ZODB-Dev] SpatialIndex

2010-06-28 Thread Nitro
Am 28.06.2010, 18:23 Uhr, schrieb Leonardo Santagada : > Although I think this sounds like an optimal solution, I think it isn't > necessary. I wish only that there was a "complements" in ZODB wiki with > a simple list of best of breed package for each task and maybe a list of > alternatives

Re: [ZODB-Dev] SpatialIndex

2010-06-28 Thread Nitro
Am 28.06.2010, 17:52 Uhr, schrieb Alan Runyan : > I have similar feelings as Matthias. > > - We could use something similar to the Apache incubation process. Yes. I think in general the library should be rather flexible. I.e. (minor) things can be deprecated and removed rather fast. I'd also

Re: [ZODB-Dev] SpatialIndex

2010-06-28 Thread Shane Hathaway
On 06/28/2010 04:44 AM, Nitro wrote: > I do not like the current packaging approach as I discussed in length in a > recent message to this list [1]. Until this changes I am not going to > spend time creating random packages. Around here, Python packages are how we communicate code. Think of a re

Re: [ZODB-Dev] SpatialIndex

2010-06-28 Thread Nitro
Am 28.06.2010, 16:52 Uhr, schrieb Laurence Rowe : > So why don't we all work on the same packages? The main reason is one > of legacy. Plone is built on Zope2 and ZCatalog. It works, but it is > not without it's issues - we can't have queries that join from that > catalog to a zc.relation catalog.

Re: [ZODB-Dev] SpatialIndex

2010-06-28 Thread Alan Runyan
> Mixing meta data into names is a bad idea.  You don't want to change > the name of something just because some of its meta data changes. Your right. It's just that sometimes people may have a package name that is not agreeable to the broader community. >> The namespace could be, zodb. > > No i

Re: [ZODB-Dev] SpatialIndex

2010-06-28 Thread Jim Fulton
On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Alan Runyan wrote: ... >  - Have a canonical namespace which denotes quality, proven, > and widely used packages. >  Packages should never be in this > namespace unless the package can meet some quality level. Mixing meta data into names is a bad idea. You don't

Re: [ZODB-Dev] SpatialIndex

2010-06-28 Thread Leonardo Santagada
Although I think this sounds like an optimal solution, I think it isn't necessary. I wish only that there was a "complements" in ZODB wiki with a simple list of best of breed package for each task and maybe a list of alternatives. To make it even better a good "deprecated" section would be good

Re: [ZODB-Dev] SpatialIndex

2010-06-28 Thread Alan Runyan
I have similar feelings as Matthias. My thoughts: - Have a canonical namespace which denotes quality, proven, and widely used packages. Packages should never be in this namespace unless the package can meet some quality level. The namespace could be, zodb. - We could use something similar t

Re: [ZODB-Dev] SpatialIndex

2010-06-28 Thread Laurence Rowe
On 28 June 2010 15:23, Nitro wrote: > Am 28.06.2010, 14:10 Uhr, schrieb Dylan Jay : > >> I don't use a lot of other indexes other than what comes with plone but >> I can see the value of what your suggesting in having an installable >> tested collection of indexes. I can also see that this is a re

Re: [ZODB-Dev] SpatialIndex

2010-06-28 Thread Nitro
Am 28.06.2010, 14:10 Uhr, schrieb Dylan Jay : > I don't use a lot of other indexes other than what comes with plone but > I can see the value of what your suggesting in having an installable > tested collection of indexes. I can also see that this is a really big > itch for you and you've al

Re: [ZODB-Dev] SpatialIndex

2010-06-28 Thread Nitro
Am 28.06.2010, 08:21 Uhr, schrieb Thomas Lotze : > Nitro wrote: > >> packaging: I don't plan to create a package for this as I don't see much >> point in adding yet another package to the clutter of packages >> surrounding >> zodb. > > Just a quick remark: Without being available as a package, y

Re: [ZODB-Dev] SpatialIndex

2010-06-27 Thread Thomas Lotze
Nitro wrote: > packaging: I don't plan to create a package for this as I don't see much > point in adding yet another package to the clutter of packages surrounding > zodb. Just a quick remark: Without being available as a package, your code will be far less useful (if not outright useless) to a