Brian Brinegar wrote at 2010-3-16 10:12 -0400:
Our university relies heavily on a Zope product based on Dieter Maurer's
Reference product. Recently, we upgraded from Zope 2.9.6 to Zope
2.11.x and found some changes in behavior.
In short the Reference product creates a Symlink like pointer
Dieter Maurer wrote at 2010-3-16 17:42 +0100:
Brian Brinegar wrote at 2010-3-16 10:12 -0400:
Our university relies heavily on a Zope product based on Dieter Maurer's
Reference product. Recently, we upgraded from Zope 2.9.6 to Zope
2.11.x and found some changes in behavior.
In short the Reference
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observe such problems.
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and the monkey patching takes place.
The current version does not yet restore the distribution functionality
(of Zope products). Let me know when you need this functionality.
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not know such
magic -- therefore, I doubt that your verification was correct.
But, you may put your session storage at a different place
(say session_storage) and reconfigure the session_data_manager to
point to this new place. This way, no magic should be able to
modify your mount point.
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that it is indeed a mount point.
One way is to use app._p_activate(); app.__dict__['session_folder'].
This must return a mount point, not a folder.
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serverconn.manage_listObjects(path)
File /opt/zope/zinstances/xxx/Products/ZSyncer/ConnectionMgr.py, line
183, in __call__
ok,rd = cPickle.loads(data)
EOFError
which has me baffled. Any suggestions? Other folks have been using
ZSyncer without problems on Zope 2.11.
Dieter, you contributed
opinions (especially not my personal
hero Dieter :)
- Andrew, I agree with very much of what you say. Just because Zope2
has flaws doesn't mean we should trash and burn it.
- Dieter, glad to hear it wasn't just me who had problems keeping up
with the backwards incompatible improvements. You seem
with the context check
(is the accessed object in the context of the UserFolder authenticating
the current user). Of course, such checks fail for objects not acquisition
wrapped. If we let pass this check in such cases, Zope 2 can protect
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the accessed object to the root.
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compatibility broke something.
Here is a simpler script to check for problems:
from Acquisition import Implicit
class C(Implicit):
def __getitem__(self, i): return self.l[i]
l=[1,2,3]
c=C()
iter(c)
list(_)
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list(_)
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care
about providing documentation for Zope 3 as opposed to documentation for
Grok or individual libraries?
I find http://apidoc.zope.org/++apidoc++/; very helpful -- for Zope 2 users.
I would not like to loose it
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Hanno Schlichting wrote at 2009-4-11 14:35 +0200:
...
In all other debates we seemed to agree on not over specifying
requirements in setup.py files, I wonder why anybody still tries to
follow this route.
Because the way the Zope 2.12a1 egg did it has broken within a few weeks
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an early adopter. But, I see the same
behaviour also with Zope 2 and its features
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installed)
.
If yes, then i don't know, if no, then you can just install the
version you want.
We are in the no case.
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something.
The people driving the Zope Foundation are (mostly) unfortunately heavily in
favour of what they call cleaning up code and removing backward
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Andreas Jung wrote at 2009-4-12 09:52 +0200:
@Dieter: participate or be silent.
I do not obey your orders.
You are Zope 2 release manager and part of the
Foundation board -- but you do not have command power over things outside
the Zope 2 release management and the foundation.
Thus, I
Andreas Jung wrote at 2009-4-12 09:52 +0200:
...
@Dieter: participate or be silent. You are member of the Zope community
for years, you are member of the Zope Foundation as a committer member.
Such statements are at most laughable based on your record of your
active contributions to the Zope
.
Avoid misleading names in the future
think renaming Zope 2 to Zope Classic will be easy. If the Zope 2
developers are okay with this, let's go right ahead.
I will continue to speak of Zope 2 (not Zope Classic).
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, in the classic software engineering
sense, along with some pure libraries.
Zope Toolkit, perhaps? (No relationship to Portal Toolkit. :-] )
+1
If you want to attract non-Zope people, then Zope Toolkit may
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skinning. True, you have a separate namespace
for views and thus avoid name clashes in edge cases -- but is this
really worth the extra effort?
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/a
/td
/tr
/dtml-if sequence-end
/dtml-in
Not sure, whether you will find it useful.
But, you may have a look at
http://www.handshake.de/~dieter/pyprojects/zope/book/chap3.html#c37ac15c14b4;.
Search there for 4.3.5.2.3. Batch control.
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Christian Theune wrote at 2009-4-3 08:45 +0200:
...
I don't want to change the process structure: I only want to assure that
the processes we start also quit.
Then no objection from me.
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heavyweight for the average new user.
no, sorry, you can't use Zope 2.12 with anything other than what it
comes with unless you get your own egg repository running
The egg-repository can be a virtualenv (or even the site-packages
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earlier proposed a meta egg to represent versions.cfg in
a setuptools only (non buildout) environment.
A meta egg is an egg that only list dependencies and does not contain
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should be moved to old.zope.org (it must remain
available for the time being (with URL redirections to the Products
and Member area).
Why does it need to keep living even at old.zope.org?
Because members put there content (product implementations) still usable?
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on this: using different
access protocols is hampered by svn:external as they were (still
are?) required to be absolute urls (including the protocal).
This way, the access protocol may change in between of a checkout
(involving svn:externals).
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should be moved to old.zope.org (it must remain
available for the time being (with URL redirections to the Products
and Member area).
Why does it need to keep living even at old.zope.org?
Because members put there content (product implementations) still usable?
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Chris Withers wrote at 2009-4-2 20:22 +0100:
Dieter Maurer wrote:
SkinnedFolder (at least if you mean
http://www.handshake.de/~dieter/pyprojects/zope/index.html#bct_sec_4.7;)
makes CMFCore's SkinsTool available (without the need to use
CMFDefault or portal objects).
That might involve getting
you plan that any test runs in a separate process?
Then, I would have an objection -- test suites would take far longer.
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so)
but Jim spare enough time to help me overcome the problem.
After I changed my username from d.maurer to dmaurer,
everything worked immediately.
I would not like to enter my password every time I call svn.
If this can be arranged, I am content.
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read access via http.
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Chris Withers wrote at 2009-4-2 20:24 +0100:
Dieter Maurer wrote:
I am very happy about stable packages because I often extend them.
For example, I have extended LocalFS to allow configuration of
its instances via environment variables. This allows us to synchronize
our ZODBs in the test
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Martin Aspeli wrote at 2009-4-1 22:02 +0800:
I'd like to add support for the following:
1) Provider decorator:
@provider(IFoo)
def some_function(context)
pass
I have already searched for this several times -- and was disappointed
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efficiency is important (which probably is
the case as the dependency graphs for larger applications will be huge).
Thus: I appreaciate much your wish to solve this problem but expect
that it will be quite complex.
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, modify the zdaemon code to ensure
that problems are logged to a file you know.
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when you don't do it every time you
start a script.
Are you sure?
I think setuptools usually only searches for distributions during
installation time.
Runtime distribution searching is restricted to the require call
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(helpful to perform tests and resolve issues) even though
the file system layout is different.
Fewer updates means fewer merging in of our extensions -- with the
corresponding work and testing.
Of course, you are free to apply different quality criteria
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SkinnedFolder (I think) implementing
are similar functionality.
SkinnedFolder (at least if you mean
http://www.handshake.de/~dieter/pyprojects/zope/index.html#bct_sec_4.7;)
makes CMFCore's SkinsTool available (without the need to use
CMFDefault or portal objects).
FileSystemSite
(http
)).
But this is not easy and I do not know whether I should recommend it
to someone new to Zope.
The alternative:
obviously, you have a protected standard_html_header.
Try to locate it and unprotect it (you learn about protection
and how to unprotect in the Zope Book (2.7 edition, on plope.org).
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from name lookup. Depending on how you call the method
you may even loose all context.
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),
then you can let the static library be directly delivered from the
web server. This is usually far more efficient than delivery by
Zope (about an order of magnitude).
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-- and I had to exclude them from the suite to get a result
from the total suite.
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=myDateTimeClass should be able
to replace the DateTime class -- sometimes.
Be aware, however, that this replacing takes effect only after
your assignment. Modules that already have imported the DateTime
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not when installed via easy_install from PyPI (i.e. without
a KnownGoodSet index)
(zcpython)newdm: mkzopeinstance
Traceback (most recent call last):
File /home/dieter/ZopeSVN/ZClasses/zcpython/bin/mkzopeinstance, line 5, in ?
from pkg_resources import load_entry_point
File
/home
The Zope 2.12 documention tells that the test command was removed
from zopectl.
test was a convenient way to test products and packages in the
context of the instance. How is this use case now supported?
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be part of the installed egg).
I will file a bug report.
Minor note: the installation instructions are actually in INSTALL.rst
not INSTALL.txt.
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Andreas Jung wrote at 2009-3-15 08:53 +0100:
On 15.03.2009 8:31 Uhr, Dieter Maurer wrote:
The Zope 2.12 documention tells that the test command was removed
from zopectl.
Have to investigate that.
test was a convenient way to test products and packages in the
context of the instance. How
Andreas Jung wrote at 2009-3-15 08:56 +0100:
...
On 15.03.2009 8:36 Uhr, Dieter Maurer wrote:
The documentation on PyPI tells to look into doc/INSTALL.txt
to find installation instructions.
However, doc is not installed by the standard easy_install process.
Therefore, it is not so easy
Hanno Schlichting wrote at 2009-3-15 11:10 +0100:
Dieter Maurer wrote:
The Zope 2.12 documention tells that the test command was removed
from zopectl.
test was a convenient way to test products and packages in the
context of the instance. How is this use case now supported?
The normal way
to /home/dieter/ZopeSVN/ZClasses/zcpython/bin
Installing mkzeoinstance script to /home/dieter/ZopeSVN/ZClasses/zcpython/bin
Installing mkzopeinstance script to /home/dieter/ZopeSVN/ZClasses/zcpython/bin
Using
/home/dieter/ZopeSVN/ZClasses/zcpython/lib/python2.5/site-packages/Zope2-2.12.0.a1-py2.5-linux
Andreas Jung wrote at 2009-3-15 08:48 +0100:
... Zope2 2.12.0a1 distribution broken ...
...
Try using the traditional
python bootstrap.py
bin/buildout
approach.
That (magically) worked.
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the ZCML files.
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Tres Seaver wrote at 2009-3-12 14:25 -0400:
...
Sorry, I meant mandatory tests which load ZCML. I'm actually against
ever loading ZCML in tests at all.
If you ship ZCML, you should test it, no?
You will not ship ZCML, but this may not apply to everybody
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Tres Seaver wrote at 2009-3-13 16:20 -0400:
...
Dieter Maurer wrote:
Tres Seaver wrote at 2009-3-12 14:25 -0400:
...
Sorry, I meant mandatory tests which load ZCML. I'm actually against
ever loading ZCML in tests at all.
If you ship ZCML, you should test it, no?
Not necessarily: in fact
subsections
of the zodb_db sections in your Zope configuration file.
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is still being used in e.g.
zc.notification and zope.app.preference (where it was added by me at the
time).
I expect that use cases like this (looking up objects in a foreign site
context) will be important for my current employer (if it continuous to
use Zope in the future).
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Roger Ineichen wrote at 2009-3-8 14:38 +0100:
...
Can you give an example of a meaningless deprecation
warning?
A few of the deprecations I have disliked for a long time:
/home/dieter/Z/Products/Archetypes/__init__.py:15: DeprecationWarning: The
module, 'Products.CMFCore.CMFCorePermissions
can be a corruption of the storage file.
The timestamp is part of the file data -- it the data changes,
the timestamps may seem to be out of order.
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Beside the reminders, you need people that do the work.
For this, at least, these people must be convinced.
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in confused semantics and
misleading names.
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If the framework too often drifts away, the maintenance costs
for these applications gets too high -- and make the framework
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Martijn Faassen wrote at 2009-3-5 17:35 +0100:
Perhaps it's time to deprecate the deprecation system.
...
Thoughts?
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difficult, expand the graph
in the trivial way before you start the reasoning.
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the Python package M2Crypto.EVP
for the encryption/decryption.
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change the PAS plugin that stores the user identification
such that is also stores the password (e.g. in the session)
such that you can retrieve it for a remote login.
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the contribution of stop energy (discourage
the utterances of don't, stop, this is wrong,
stop talking about this).
+ 1
... although I quite often complain about changes (such as the removal
of ZClasses, the (temporary) removal of the logging interface, )
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Andreas Jung wrote at 2009-2-16 19:50 +0100:
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Andreas Jung wrote at 2009-2-16 19:20 +0100:
...
Please come off it. Either become an active contributor and participate
in our dictatorship
I will never
Jens Vagelpohl wrote at 2009-2-16 20:43 +0100:
...
On Feb 16, 2009, at 19:43 , Dieter Maurer wrote:
Andreas Jung wrote at 2009-2-16 19:20 +0100:
...
Please come off it. Either become an active contributor and
participate
in our dictatorship
I will never participate in your dictatorship
Zvezdan Petkovic wrote at 2009-2-19 13:06 -0500:
I can adapt to any style
and believe that the fine grain details should not be dogmatically
enforced but rather allow for variations in such subjective preferences.
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it intercepts every POST request with content type text/xml
and may interfere with the Zope 3 way to integrate xmlrpc.
Maybe, you disable the xmlrpc integration code in ZPublisher.HTTPRequest
and see whether than the Zope 3 integration works better.
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and no-debug
mode: in debug mode, modifications should be seen even when done
after Zope has started. In no-debug mode, usually a restart is
necessary to see modifications.
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how Zope
works. The Zope Book, 2.7 edition, on http://plope.org;
may be a good starting point.
After you skimmed the book, come back if questions remain.
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no replacement for DTML for at
least one major TTW use case (SQL methods).
In addition, CSS and Javascript is easier generated with DTML than
with page templates.
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Andreas Jung wrote at 2009-2-16 19:20 +0100:
...
Please come off it. Either become an active contributor and participate
in our dictatorship
I will never participate in your dictatorship!
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think your single zip would not mind whether it were build
from a flat egg structure or from one with :extra
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be more complicated than creating, maintaining and
distributing a complete package?
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Jim Fulton wrote at 2009-2-10 14:01 -0500:
On Feb 10, 2009, at 1:49 PM, Dieter Maurer wrote:
Jim Fulton wrote at 2009-2-8 13:00 -0500:
...
IMO, introducing an extra is like introducing a new package and in a
rather complicated way.
I agree with the first part of your sentence -- but cannot
it is not deterministic
which of them will actually be loaded. __init__.py is just
a common case of this problem.
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to avoid name conflicts and provide a homogenous
map between package and its configuration package.
You would get subpackages zope.configuration.zope.proxy,
zope.configuration.z3c.
Nasty
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are silenced altogether --
making even serious deprecation warnings less effective as they
should be
...
Let's discuss it once again :)
Tres examples have been good, haven't they?
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/description
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would find is very unintuitive when configuration were centralized
(in subpackages of zope.configuration) rather than modular.
Configuration belongs to the application or framework component
that depends on this configuration not to any central component.
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not expect a more modern 'pstats' format).
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do not seem to match: disallow-by-default would mean
that unexpected stuff would be disallowed by default.
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Hanno Schlichting wrote at 2009-1-23 19:36 +0100:
Wichert Akkerman wrote:
Previously Tres Seaver wrote:
Andreas Jung wrote:
- removing ZClasses completely
This is done now.
Wow. This was quick!
Much quicker than fixing bugs reported in the collector :-(
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Andreas Jung wrote at 2009-1-25 10:21 +0100:
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Andreas Jung wrote at 2009-1-21 14:55 +0100:
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TARGET=Python 2.6.X
ACCEPTABLE=Python 2.5
Python 2.4.X would be basically not acceptable but could
will instead try to preserse useful functionality dropped without need from
the Zope core *wink*.
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Martijn Pieters wrote at 2009-1-25 13:29 +0100:
On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 12:56, Dieter Maurer die...@handshake.de wrote:
I plan to provide such a package as dm.ZClasses or (maybe) Zope2.ZClasses
-- of course with some complaints against the Zope release management
in the documentation
anymore.
We see clearly: philosophical opinions -- not complexity of keeping
it working
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an application based on zope.globalrequest, this
is a totaly different base concept how you will develop
applications like we do now. And you have to pay the price
with a complex test setup.
I can live with this complexity :-)
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