you can't change the baseclass. But that's a discussion
for anotehr day).
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gt; First, what i've to do to get service variable like
> like container, context, request, etc.. ?
> Which are differences between script and external
> method coding? i remember that the zope book
> indicates only imports.
>
> Ok, thank you for reading..
>
> Valerio
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widen .NETs appeal, but only
marginally. :-)
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On the Paris sprint, one thing that was noted was how ironic it was
that the release of 2.8, which includes support for the new
recommended development paradigm, was held up becuase we neeeded to
support an old non-recommended one. :-)
Anyway, my main question is: You who are using ZClasses, can'
list of what is actually supposed to be patented would be possible
for us poor non-lawyers to actually go through and see if they are
relevant.
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with zope3.
As mentioned, it is very important that the documentation get updated
to reflect this.
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; The 3.whatever one somewhere-I-don't-know?
I would expect it to be "featured", that is mentioned as a recommended
practice, in a Zope2.9 book, should one appear. I also thonk that with
2.8 a 2.8 book should be released, which main feature could be to move
the ZClass part to an
#x27;s a bit complex to use, and the property types definitions are too
inflexible for practical use, which is why archetypes, CPSSchemas and
Zope3 schemas exists now. :-)
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arts, or persistent per
request, or persistent per session? (the answer is different for all
of them, and usually, in Zope, "persistent" means "persistent over
server restarts").
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that uses the module that was refreshed,
and all modules that uses these modules. In the right order.
Quite often, no matter what you try, it will fail. In that case: restart.
The best way to avoid refresh-problems when debugging is to actually
use unit test, and thus avoid the whole issue...
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f2 request/URL3" />
And so on.
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#x27;] I create:
>
>
Ah.
> How I create refX?
I have no idea if that's even possible.
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rt but
don't document it.
Then we'll concentrate on getting 2.9s Zope3 support to be more
Zope3-ish, and documenting the differences into a Zope2.9 book. ;)
I don't have an overview of what needs to be done on the Zope book in
general though.
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I don't guarantee that it's remotely relevant, however. :-)
> Well, the chapter-by-chapter editing is still not done.
> See http://plope.com/Books/zb_signup for an overview of the known
> tasks to be done.
OK, but that's better than expected, I'd say. :) It sais "Fin
sn't changed that much. Stay clear of ZClasses and DTML.
(Although, if you aren't planning to use any third-party products, you
might actually want to look into using Zope3 instead, which is way
cooler, but a tad more complicated to get started with).
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ead a bit about it, and see what you think:
http://www.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ComponentArchitecture/FrontPage/Zope3Book
Zope2 is still good. Zope 3 is just better, in many ways, although it
still lacks in third-party product support.
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ill not ship with it and it is not actively maintained
> at this point.
> ---
>
> The first paragraph was great. The second wasn't :)
Well, that was all a part of the ideas they had for through-the-web
development, and that was put on hold to implement other stuff. With
file-sys
nd that the FTP
port or webDav port still tries to use the same port on both
instances?
Otehrwise I have no idea. It's always worked fine for me, I think. :)
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duplicate all the code in each 'Text'
> and 'Images' folder...
Well, no. You can just put all of it in the top folder. :)
Or, as mentioned above, make a python product.
> Is this in fact possible, or do I need to start tinkering with custom
> products?
Well,
t isn't,
and trying to use is as if it was will just get strange.
Acquisition can be handy for inheriting data (or rather,
configuration), but not methods.
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kins? Or, do all
object have all methods? CMF skins is not an object oriented
programming language either.
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On 4/22/05, Jens Vagelpohl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If you are not seeking user folder functionality then I would suggest
> doing it from python.
Or use CPS, which has LDAP directories where you can do this easily. :-D
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should be possible.
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Zope 3 is better in that respect. It still lacks good content
management tools (although this is in the works) so for content
management applications I'd recommend Zope2.
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the same script that actually does the
deletion.
http://blogs.nuxeo.com/sections/blogs/lennart_regebro/2005_04_19_python_statement/
May explain it a bit more, and if not, I should write something clearer. :^)
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> > forms with the validation but run it through Zope2?
>
> Yep, Five will give you those features.
But, at the moment, only for ascii, because the some Zope 3 widgets
make unicode(string) calls for no apparent reason, which fails under
Five if the string contains anything above chr(
//www.plope.com/Books/2_7Edition/SimpleExamples.stx#1-8
Sure, that works too, especially if you want the same template for
several scripts. While the other method works better for several
templates and one script. :)
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> it get the person_id identifying the record it's supposed to display the
> second time around?
You put it in a hidden input-field.
> I have a feeling that there's some point I'm just not getting here, but that
> I'm too new to this to figure out what it is.
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This:
context.REQUEST.RESPONSE.redirect('personform.htm')
When you do this, you loose everything in the form. When you then in
the personform.htm do "context.REQUEST.person_id" you get a key-error.
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On 5/19/05, Ken Winter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But that just changed the error to KeyError: 'personform_htm'.
Well, it's 'personform.htm', not undescore, right?
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Ruby on Rails or without it)? It's
> modern (if you compare it with python) and clear
I hear many Ruby-people claiming ruby is superiour ty Python. None has
yet been able to show me one superiority that is not simply matters of
taste.
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ezone, but when read, it is assumed to
be GMT. This is inconsistent.
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. So, the path list [''] means the
root/application object, just like '/' means the root/application
object.
However [] is an empty path, and is therefore the same as the URL ''.
So, the above behaviour is expected and as defined.
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On 5/19/05, Dieter Maurer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Lennart Regebro wrote at 2005-5-19 10:39 +0200:
> > ...
> >But, at the moment, only for ascii, because the some Zope 3 widgets
> >make unicode(string) calls for no apparent reason, which fails under
> >Fiv
custom view and set up the data there.
In Zope 2 you have to call a script that creates the data, or
reversely, use the script as the main view and let it call the
template. (I don't know how easy that last thing is with DTML, but the
first one works).
If you do this, the drawbacks of DTML beco
ike that, is the real
problem. But as noted, by making all data-gathering in a python
script, the problems with this are less and survivable.
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lly a much better option.
> which may help me get a better understanding of how Zope and Python interact.
When it comes to Zope2: Trust me, you don't want to know. :)
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ite easily, and we
would very much like to see this architecture come to full fruitition.
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_init__" is invalid because it begins with an
> underscore.
>
>
> how do i add this file?
The Products folder in the control panel is not a file system
directory. The Products directory refers to the directory "Products"
that is created on the file system, where you
or
Plone.
> 2. Does knowing some PHP, ASP and perl help?
Yes, it does, because knowing ASP and PERL will make you thank your
lucky star that you're not using any of them anymore. :-) I do.
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> thanks for the reply. Can you suggest a provider?
Sorry, no. But I'm sure others can.
> and do you think I could be up and running in a short time frame?
Sure setting up CPS is usually not a big problem at least.
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etc.)
> that can be easily used within Zope?
The CPS content management system has a workflow based on DCWorkflow
and a versioning system. I would think it would be an excellent base
for this project. http://www.cps-project.org/
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ge menu entry "logout". You can use that.
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> environment, or am I better off sticking with Zope 2
> for now, and porting my application once Zope 3 is a
> bit further down the line?
For applications development, zope3 is definitely recommended. Zope2
is only recommended if you you want to use a CMS application, like
Plone,
made designing web pages a doddle. Just wish there was something
> which would simplify the building of a Zope site.
Well, later version of CPS contains CPSSkins, which allows you to
design your site graphically, and CPSTypeMaker, which allows you to
create new types easily.
Maybe that'
Yup.
> I like the sound of this a bit better - just keep
> records in one place. So, if I've followed, I let the
> the house "knows" who owns it, and if I go to a
> certain owner's page and want it to give me a list of
> all the houses she owns, it would do a search thr
s mentioned earlier, unless you want to build your application
on top of one of the Zope2 content management systems around (CPS,
Plone, Silva, ...) you probably want too use Zope3 for your
application development anyway. And then only method 3 (disk based
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you pretty much explained how to do it
yourself, so...
What's your question?
And do you want to use Zope2 och Zope3.
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On 6/23/05, Tim Suter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Do I have to start all over?
Yes, do what Bakhtiar said: Install a clean, new zope + all your
products from the old zope. Copy in the data.fs. Start. Fix problems
one by one as they appear. :-)
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t are just not true or about technologies that you
> obviously don't understand. Maybe you should use some other framework that
> it is easier for you.
Whoah. All he did is say that he thinks the documentation is unsatisfactory...
I don't agree, especially, but John: You can alwa
an be
interpreted in several ways, including yours, but also in other ways.
"Look" and "nicely" can refer to code, for example.
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?
If it doens't look the same, that's because you don't generate the
same HTML. Compare the HTML output to see the differences in HTML, and
you will be able to close in on the problems.
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ell me what this is?
Well, it sais that the adress you try to use is already in use, and so
far I haven't seen this happen except when it is.
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's based on Five,
so you'll need Zope 3.0.0 or Zope 2.8.
http://www.cps-project.org/sections/projects/calendar_server
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ast thing is what almost all sites do with all that type of
Javascript functionality.
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A wild guess: Your post works, but returns a redirect to a nother
page, which returns nothing. This will look exactly like notyhing
happened at the browser side.
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ata"
> tal:define="mhi python:modules['ZTUtils'].make_hidden_input;
> dummy python:mhi(delete_ids=results)">
Seems more reasonable then just assigning it to a dummy variable,
Not that I have ever used make_hidden_input, mind you, I m
's usally easiest to avoid the Zope packages that many linuxes has,
and install from source.
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nd
> associated products from source.
Note that some weirdo have decided that "distutils" is a development
package, so you need to install both the python packages and the
python-dev packages, always.
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On 7/12/05, Jens Vagelpohl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 12 Jul 2005, at 15:28, Charlene wrote:
>
> > I'm using the book The Book of Zope: How to Build and Deliver Web
> > Applications to learn Zope. I'm on the chapter on Versions.
> > Neither the book nor Zope documentation explains exactly
deas on how to get a
useable exception report on unit tests?
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On 7/16/05, David H <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Really my question is, what approach is recommended for a Zope
> application to format numbers according to currency type?
Using a localization module is common.
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On 7/20/05, Andreas Jung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Isn't this really strange? How can ZEA register any ZC trademark?!
Well, you register trademarks per country, so that would be one way, I guess...
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ZC: Potay-to.
ZEA: Potah-to.
ZC: Potay-to!
ZEA: Potah-to!
ZC: Potay-to!!
ZEA: Potah-to!!
ZC: POTAY-TO, you evil thief!!!
ZEA: POTAH-TO you dictatiorial pig!!
Not a communications problem? My ass.
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On 7/27/05, michael nt milne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does anyone know if the zope uninstall program 'unwise.exe' can be got
> separately? I have installed zope on linux but the unwise.exe program
> isn't within the package.
That's because unwise.exe is only needed if you used wise to install
aster through the command line...
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On 8/17/05, Gabriel Genellina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello
>
> I need to execute something each time Zope starts,
Really? Could you explain what and why?
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ObjectA
> at '/folder/myfolder/ObjectA'
>
> Any ideas how I would go about making this happen?
Not without making your product "manually" do serious acquisition magic.
But there might be an easier way. Could you tell us what you are
trying to achieve?
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ide if you are gonna go with Zope2 or Zope3 first. They are quite
different. Ask again if you need help with the choice. :)
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Also, Plone (and any CMF technology in fact) has a serious performance
hit in the skins system. There are some improvements possible there,
like giving visitors a special skin that includes fewer skin folders
and such. Check on a plone list for more help there.
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What you are trying to do has nothing with SMTP to do. It's fully MS
Outlook specific. You would have to write a mailhost that does not use
SMTP, but integrated directly to an outlook server. I have no idea of
how to do that, or even if it's possible.
What you might want to do instead, is too see
On 9/1/05, Chris Larsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Lennart- the fax piece is something on my exchange server so as long as the
> headers are correct it will interpret and route to the physical fax server
> accordingly. The problem is that I can't seem to discover through googling
> what these h
On 9/8/05, Georgakopoulos Nicolas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Can some one help out how to set up a ZTP form to use a mailhost object
> and send a email with the data that the form was filled ?
> I have made the form successfully , my problem is that I don't know how
> to use the mailhost.
>
> ps
d up is. So I wouldn't hold my breath for that.
Besides, I like it better to do possibly incompatible changes in one
step. YMMV, of course.
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> that I can't pass throu an SSL connection (my smtp server use SSL) and I
> cant find a way on mailhost object to change the set SSL . Does mailhost
> object or ZOPE support SSL connections for SMTP protocol ?
No, I don't think it does.
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_url() will reflect how you are getting the image.
context['img.jpg'].aq_inner.absolute_url() may do what you expect.
> may someone help me ?
Sure. What's the problem? :)
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values ?
> I only know to get values from text boxes...
Because the people who designed the HTML form functionality are brain
dead morons, "Not checked" and "not existing" is the same thing.
Therefore you need to do this:
request.form.get('fieldname', False)
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On 9/27/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all,
> If i'm logged in as testuser and want to log in with a different user
> name, whats the right way of doing it?
> this is on zope 2.7
You select "Log out of ZMI". :-)
Unless you use CMF. Or some special user folder.
Oh, and it w
x27;t
understand what you are trying to do, so I don't know if it's a good
idea.
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On 9/29/05, Lennart Regebro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This code:
>
> if not hasattr(pack, '_m'): pack._m=fd.__dict__
> fd.debug_compile = debug_compile
> fd.debug_compile__roles__ = ('Manager',)
Seems to work. I just needed to debug a
orrect. Maybe you could tell us which
signs you are talking about?
And also, I think the zope3-users list is a better place to ask zope3
questions than the zope list.
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On 10/5/05, Jens Vagelpohl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is correct, but you're just papering over a deeper problem,
> namely bad cleanup in some unit tests.
Sure, but that's how reality looks. It's unfortunate, but there ya go.
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lly being btrees or something
like that, you would surely need several times that in practice. :)
Sorry for any calculation errors, but I can be rather a lot off
without it making a difference, so I can't be bothered to check. ;)
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On 10/7/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ok, does this error message mean that it is "just" a swap problem so that I
> wont have to install gcc, Python anymore?
> Having run "top", I could dectect that there is 10,241,428k total Swap. About
> 3,856,000k of it is actually being u
On 10/7/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Why not? I dont understand - killing processes does not mean getting their
> space?
It's probably not going to be enough anyway.
> But do you advise me to do?
That depends on what your goal is. Why are you trying to run Zope on a
virtua
> concerned about stability and compatibility.
>
> Can the list provide words of advice?
If you don't need 2.8, and since 2.7 is still maintained, stay with 2.7.
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e high-level usage (Plone), and dig downwards, and start with the
low-level nitty-gritty (Python) and work upwards. Starting from the
middle tends to confuse. :)
It also tends to lead you into things that are pretty much dead-ends
from a Plone standpoint, such as DTML and ZClasses.
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Oh, and another thing:
On 10/20/05, Pierre Thibault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I also plan to learn Plone after Zope, is it a good path?
[...]
"/Users/pierreth/Download/Zope-3.1.0/build/lib.darwin-8.2.0-Power_Macintosh-2.3/zdaemon/tests/testzdrun.py",
> > line 260, in testUmask
You installed Zo
s a sparc port which
could be an alternative. And new CPU boards cost, like, nothing, so it
could be a pretty cool server.
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On 10/20/05, Pierre Thibault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Lennart Regebro a écrit :
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> >Oh, and another thing:
> >
> >
> >You installed Zope 3.1. Zope 3 is very different from Zope 2, and
> >Plone does not run on it. So, the question is of you want to lea
ring startup.
It crashes, without any error messages? Really? Have you turned on debug mode?
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On 10/26/05, Håkan Johansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On Oct 26, 2005, at 17:00, Lennart Regebro wrote:
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> > On 10/26/05, Håkan Johansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> My personal guess is that both Epoz and Kupu has "hidden" prereqs that
r 2.8.4 or 3.1.0.
> Any tips if I should go for the latest and greatest or stick with 2.8?
Depends on what you are going to use it for. So, tell us! :-)
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On 10/27/05, HaraldFinnås <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > Depends on what you are going to use it for. So, tell us! :-)
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> Not sure myself yet. :) There will certainly be a couple of Plone sites
Well, Plone doesn't run on Zope 3, so there ya go. :)
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#x27;zc-python' rather than 'python'.
>
> What's the recommended way of maintaining an extra Python installation for
> Zope?
You keep it in /usr/local. In fact, when downloading and compiling
python, that's the default place it ends up. And /usr/local/bin
usually
bly more due to
nobody using it than being perfect. The reason for that is that Zope
already has a very good scripting language, so the need to use perl is
very miniscule, and almost always more pain than it's worth.
Which of course is true for every use of Perl.
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python wrapings, and not have to use Zope-perl.
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Most likely, you want to use
that instead. There are no standard timezone implementation, but Zope
3 has one you might be able to use.
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Zope
work to make that work in a way that doesn't
instantly break every Zope instance in existance.
> what was the intention to create DateTime anyway, if there's a
> python pendant already?
It didn't exist then.
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