Re: [Zope] Dieter Mauer's Reference Product

2010-03-16 Thread Dieter Maurer
Brian Brinegar wrote at 2010-3-16 10:12 -0400: Our university relies heavily on a Zope product based on Dieter Maurer's Reference product. Recently, we upgraded from Zope 2.9.6 to Zope 2.11.x and found some changes in behavior. In short the Reference product creates a Symlink like pointer in the

Re: [Zope] Dieter Mauer's Reference Product

2010-03-16 Thread Dieter Maurer
Dieter Maurer wrote at 2010-3-16 17:42 +0100: Brian Brinegar wrote at 2010-3-16 10:12 -0400: Our university relies heavily on a Zope product based on Dieter Maurer's Reference product. Recently, we upgraded from Zope 2.9.6 to Zope 2.11.x and found some changes in behavior. In short the Reference

Re: [Zope] ZopeProfiler uninstall

2009-12-01 Thread Dieter Maurer
Gaute Amundsen wrote at 2009-12-1 14:33 +0100: We have ZopeProfiler 1.72 installed on a site (Zope 2.7.5-1.fc3) that don't need it anymore. I've removed the folder and deleted the product, but I cant' find a way to remove it form the controlpanel. I notice it's been asked once before, but I cant

Re: [Zope] [Zope-Annce] ZClasses resurrected

2009-10-04 Thread Dieter Maurer
Allen Schmidt Sr. wrote at 2009-10-4 16:40 -0400: So...we are on 2.8.10 and our biggest app on our site is a ZClass based news object. How close will this provide functionality to just drop our data.fs into 2.12 and have those zclasses work? I do not know. ZClasses have quite vast

[Zope-Annce] ZClasses resurrected

2009-10-03 Thread Dieter Maurer
The Zope developers have ripped out the ZClasses functionality from the Zope core in version 2.12. As promised, I have collected the former code in a new package (dm.zopepatches.zclasses on PyPI). When imported, this package uses monkey patching to restore the ZClasses functionality. New tests

Re: [Zope] Reconnection session_data to own Session.fs storage

2009-08-05 Thread Dieter Maurer
I verified using your process that it is indeed just a folder. So I deleted the session_folder in the root and then tried to add a ZODB mount point in the root and it showed the session_folder was ready to be created. I made sure that option was checked and clicked Ok. It reloaded the root

Re: [Zope] Reconnection session_data to own Session.fs storage

2009-08-04 Thread Dieter Maurer
Allen Schmidt Sr. wrote at 2009-8-4 13:45 -0400: ... In the ZMI, there are: /session_folder/ ( a regular folder ) session_data ( Transient Object Container ) /session_data_manager ( Session Data Manager ) All the parts seem right but its not workingsession writes wind up as

Re: [Zope] ZSyncer-0.71 problems

2009-07-19 Thread Dieter Maurer
Dennis Allison wrote at 2009-7-19 17:03 -0700: Zope 2.11, Python 2.4 ... # EOFError # # Traceback (most recent call last): ... dest_base_info, dest_sub_info = self._getRemoteList(remote, path) File /opt/zope/zinstances/xxx/Products/ZSyncer/ZSyncer.py, line 1211, in _getRemoteList return

Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-05-26 Thread Dieter Maurer
Peter Bengtsson wrote at 2009-4-13 15:03 +0100: - Chris, I rarely agree with you but I actually like your fearless and provocative bashing for the sake (hopefully) of stirring up some action. - Andreas, you've done a great job with Zope but let's raise the bar and not pass judgement on peoples

Re: [Zope-dev] who wants to maintain Zope 3?

2009-04-13 Thread Dieter Maurer
Lennart Regebro wrote at 2009-4-12 17:18 +0200: On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 08:51, Dieter Maurer die...@handshake.de wrote: I see myself rather as an application developer and conclude that Zope may no longer be adequate to build large applications on top of it -- applications that need to live

Re: [Zope-dev] Proposal: Align Zope 2 and Zope 3 permissions

2009-04-13 Thread Dieter Maurer
Martin Aspeli wrote at 2009-4-12 18:31 +0800: Finally, there is not total parity between Zope 2 security and Zope 3 security. Zope 2 cannot protect 'property set', for example. Since Zope 2.8, Zope 2 could in principle -- and until quite recently I thought, it really can: it only fails

Re: [Zope-dev] Proposal: Align Zope 2 and Zope 3 permissions

2009-04-13 Thread Dieter Maurer
Martin Aspeli wrote at 2009-4-12 18:31 +0800: ... 3) Change the Permission class in AccessControl so that it tries to look up an IPermission utility and use the title of that utility as the permission name, falling back on the current behaviour of using the passed permission name directly.

Re: [Zope-dev] iterating over class without __iter__ but with __getitem__ raises AttributeError:__iter__

2009-04-13 Thread Dieter Maurer
Chris Withers wrote at 2009-4-13 03:14 +0100: The context for this is trying to get ParsedXML 1.5 running on Zope 2.12 under Python 2.5 (don't ask why!) Anyway, ParsedXML has a class: class ManageableNodeList(ManageableWrapper, DOMProxy.NodeListProxy,

Re: [Zope-dev] who wants to maintain Zope 3?

2009-04-12 Thread Dieter Maurer
Martijn Faassen wrote at 2009-4-10 18:33 +0200: Is anyone interested in maintaining Zope 3? You should leave a bit more time before you take any drastic actions... There are holidays, time of intensive other activity, ... * the thing that has some kind of documentation website - do you

Re: [Zope-dev] Don't have Zope 2 hard-specify its versions!

2009-04-12 Thread Dieter Maurer
Hanno Schlichting wrote at 2009-4-11 14:35 +0200: ... In all other debates we seemed to agree on not over specifying requirements in setup.py files, I wonder why anybody still tries to follow this route. Because the way the Zope 2.12a1 egg did it has broken within a few weeks -- Dieter

Re: [Zope-dev] who wants to maintain Zope 3?

2009-04-12 Thread Dieter Maurer
Hanno Schlichting wrote at 2009-4-11 15:05 +0200: ... +1, to declaring Zope 3 dead. That should allow us to refactor the remaining packages much more aggressively and reduce the dependencies. You (Zope developers) are very fast in declaring things dead and destroy things application developers

Re: [Zope-dev] Don't have Zope 2 hard-specify its versions!

2009-04-12 Thread Dieter Maurer
Lennart Regebro wrote at 2009-4-11 16:12 +0200: ... Does easy_install keep track of already installed dependencies and refuse to install it if it break dependencies? easy_install checks dependencies only at installation time -- for the egg that is installed (not for those that are already

Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-12 Thread Dieter Maurer
Andrew Milton wrote at 2009-4-11 21:46 +1000: ... So your position is, the code is fine, but, the docs suck so don't use it. Well the docs have always sucked, the zope-3 docs don't seem any better. Perhaps the people deprecating and removing interfaces willy-nilly should document the

Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-12 Thread Dieter Maurer
Andreas Jung wrote at 2009-4-12 09:52 +0200: @Dieter: participate or be silent. I do not obey your orders. You are Zope 2 release manager and part of the Foundation board -- but you do not have command power over things outside the Zope 2 release management and the foundation. Thus, I

Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-12 Thread Dieter Maurer
censorship. Thus, should you soon no longer hear from me, you know what happened Here the complete message of Andreas (in German): From: Andreas Jung li...@zopyx.com To: Dieter Maurer die...@handshake.de Subject: Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea... Date: Sun, 12 Apr

Re: [Zope-dev] naming Zope

2009-04-10 Thread Dieter Maurer
Martijn Faassen wrote at 2009-4-8 15:31 +0200: ... In order to make Zope 2 and Zope 3 fit the pattern, it'd be nice if they had names that fit the Zope is a project, not software pattern. We could rename Zope 2 to Zope Classic, as was suggested. I think we should also rename Zope 3 to

Re: [Zope-dev] naming Zope

2009-04-10 Thread Dieter Maurer
Wichert Akkerman wrote at 2009-4-9 10:40 +0200: Previously Shane Hathaway wrote: discussion type=bikeshed Tres Seaver wrote: WRT the Framework name: framework is a misleading name for the collection of packages salvaged from the new Coke effort: it is actually a *bunch* of frameworks,

Re: [Zope] RIP Zope 2!

2009-04-10 Thread Dieter Maurer
Tim Nash wrote at 2009-4-5 14:05 -0700: Also, I have been critical of the zope 3 line because I love zope 2 and it appears to me that zope 3 is killing zope 2. I share your feeling. With my current experience, the Zope 3 way to handle skins is considerably more work then the previous CMF

Re: [Zope] dtml-in pagination

2009-04-10 Thread Dieter Maurer
Bobby wrote at 2009-4-7 09:58 -0700: td colspan=3 a href=?table=dtml-var tableorder_by=dtml-var order_bysort=dtml-var sortstart=dtml-var previous-sequenceprevious/a a href=?table=dtml-var tableorder_by=dtml-var order_bysort=dtml-var sortstart=dtml-var next-sequencenext/a

Re: [Zope-dev] zope.testing.runner: protecting against rogue threads

2009-04-05 Thread Dieter Maurer
Christian Theune wrote at 2009-4-3 08:45 +0200: ... I don't want to change the process structure: I only want to assure that the processes we start also quit. Then no objection from me. -- Dieter ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org

Re: [Zope-dev] [Fwd: [Bug 343079] [NEW] Broken distribution (2009-03-15)]

2009-04-05 Thread Dieter Maurer
Chris Withers wrote at 2009-4-2 20:36 +0100: ... Personally, I evaluate such eggs in a sandbox, and then add them to the project-specific index once I'm sure that they work with the other software in the index: I don't use PyPI at all when building out production sites. That seems overly

Re: [Zope-dev] setting missing minimum version in setup.py

2009-04-05 Thread Dieter Maurer
Chris Withers wrote at 2009-4-2 20:42 +0100: ... KGS the concept is very easy to implement; you just make available on some URL a buildout versions.cfg, or you run your own package index. OK, the former I can see happening on an end-user project, the latter is just too much work. Tres has

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-05 Thread Dieter Maurer
Chris Withers wrote at 2009-4-2 21:29 +0100: Andreas Jung wrote: Andrew others have been working on this issue at the sprint. There is consensus that www.zope.org must be turned into landing page with some mission statement and then links to the related subprojects. The current zope.org site

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-05 Thread Dieter Maurer
Marius Gedminas wrote at 2009-4-3 01:34 +0300: On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 07:31:00PM +0100, Chris Withers wrote: So, svn.zope.org causes me pain at the moment: - it uses the bizarre svn or svn+ssh protocols, which I find annoying (ports blocked on routers, can't check with a browser, etc) +10

Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-05 Thread Dieter Maurer
Chris Withers wrote at 2009-4-2 21:29 +0100: Andreas Jung wrote: Andrew others have been working on this issue at the sprint. There is consensus that www.zope.org must be turned into landing page with some mission statement and then links to the related subprojects. The current zope.org site

Re: [Zope] How to add existing folder in Zope

2009-04-05 Thread Dieter Maurer
Chris Withers wrote at 2009-4-2 20:22 +0100: Dieter Maurer wrote: SkinnedFolder (at least if you mean http://www.handshake.de/~dieter/pyprojects/zope/index.html#bct_sec_4.7;) makes CMFCore's SkinsTool available (without the need to use CMFDefault or portal objects). That might involve getting

Re: [Zope-dev] zope.testing.runner: protecting against rogue threads

2009-04-02 Thread Dieter Maurer
Christian Theune wrote at 2009-4-2 13:30 +0200: if tests spawn non-daemon threads, then the test runner can get stuck. The easiest way that I see is to always --exit-with-status and to make --exist-with-status also call sys.exit() when the tests passed. I do not understand the implication. Do

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-02 Thread Dieter Maurer
Chris Withers wrote at 2009-4-2 19:44 +0100: ... I prefer using password-protected (as opposed to key-protected) https. What do other people prefer? I am fine with the ssh access. True, the initial setup was a bit difficult (the key program did not like the . in d.maurer -- but forgot to tell

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-02 Thread Dieter Maurer
Jacob Holm wrote at 2009-4-2 20:44 +0200: ... For write access I completely agree. For read-only unauthenticated access it would be nice to be able to use http(s). It may be possible to have it all at the same time. I have been told that there are mirrors of the Zope SVN repository providing

Re: [Zope] LocalFS unsupported and doesn't work without patching...

2009-04-02 Thread Dieter Maurer
Chris Withers wrote at 2009-4-2 20:24 +0100: Dieter Maurer wrote: I am very happy about stable packages because I often extend them. For example, I have extended LocalFS to allow configuration of its instances via environment variables. This allows us to synchronize our ZODBs in the test

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope and Cygwin

2009-04-01 Thread Dieter Maurer
Cesar Canassa wrote at 2009-3-30 14:54 -0300: It would be possible to modify the plonectl script in order to make it run without using the zdaemon? As someone modified zopectl to run under Windows without zdaemon (in newer Zope versions), it should be possible to change plonectl in a similar way.

Re: [Zope-dev] Two small convenience suggestions for zope.interface and zope.component

2009-04-01 Thread Dieter Maurer
Martin Aspeli wrote at 2009-4-1 22:02 +0800: I'd like to add support for the following: 1) Provider decorator: @provider(IFoo) def some_function(context) pass I have already searched for this several times -- and was disappointed about my failure :-) -- Dieter

Re: [Zope-dev] trying out the buildout-based Zope 2.12...

2009-03-29 Thread Dieter Maurer
Chris Withers wrote at 2009-3-27 16:02 -0500: ... Got zope.principalregistry 3.7.0. While: Installing zopetest. Error: There is a version conflict. We already have: zope.component 3.5.1 but zope.app.security 3.7.0 requires 'zope.component=3.6.0'. Okay, so I thought I'd be smart and try

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope and Cygwin

2009-03-29 Thread Dieter Maurer
Cesar Canassa wrote at 2009-3-27 19:56 -0300: Does Zope requires that a root user should exist on system in order to run properly? I am asking this because when I try to run Zope as a daemon I got this: $ ./plonectl start instance: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Unlinking stale socket

Re: [Zope-dev] trying out the buildout-based Zope 2.12...

2009-03-29 Thread Dieter Maurer
Jim Fulton wrote at 2009-3-29 12:02 -0400: ... 2. Backtracking is more practical in buildout than with easy_install. easy_install (not sure about pip) does conflict detection/resolution at run time, whereas buildout does it at build time. Slow conflict resolution is a lot more practical

Re: [Zope] How to add existing folder in Zope

2009-03-29 Thread Dieter Maurer
thedag...@gmail.com wrote at 2009-3-28 00:16 +: ... LocalFS has [not] been updated since 2006. There is nothing in the zope world that is as well maintained as plone. Sorry. I would like to stress that stable packages (those that do not need to be continously updated) are in fact a

Re: [Zope] How to add existing folder in Zope

2009-03-29 Thread Dieter Maurer
Andreas Jung wrote at 2009-3-28 14:13 -0500: ... Installing Plone in such a case is only the solution if one has no better idea about doing things. The Filesystem Directory View functionality is available out-of-the-box through CMF (which is much smaller than Plone). There was also something like

Re: [Zope] Migrated from Zope 2.7.8 to 2.10; how to fix Unauthorized: You are not allowed to access 'standard_html_header' in this context error?

2009-03-29 Thread Dieter Maurer
Aleksey Tsalolikhin wrote at 2009-3-28 21:57 -0700: I recently migrated from Zope 2.7.8 to 2.10 and am now seeing this error in my event.log: 2009-03-28T21:15:52 ERROR root Exception while rendering an error message Traceback (most recent call last): File

Re: [Zope] Importing .zexp files

2009-03-27 Thread Dieter Maurer
Bobby wrote at 2009-3-25 13:17 -0700: I___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce

Re: [Zope] help with running a dtml method

2009-03-27 Thread Dieter Maurer
Dvir Bar-lev wrote at 2009-3-26 10:12 +0200: I have a site with the following folder structure in zope: Dvir WebSite contentPages I have and index_html in the WebSite folder, in it I call a dtml method that's in the contentPages folder named overview_html, in the same folder

Re: [Zope] How to add existing folder in Zope

2009-03-27 Thread Dieter Maurer
amol kumbhar wrote at 2009-3-27 18:39 +0530: Actually I want to use SmartClient for my web site and for this I have to add the SmartClient Library folder into zope so using this I can write JS which include these libraries. If you have a web server before Zope (recommended for production use),

Re: [Zope-dev] setup.py extra dependencies

2009-03-25 Thread Dieter Maurer
Christian Theune wrote at 2009-3-23 14:44 +0100: ... I usually just run the tests that I'm interested (-s or -t or a combination) in during those times. I never had to go in and comment out a test_suite function. I had when I had run the ZODB test suite. Some tests deterministically had hang --

Re: [Zope] Overriding DateTime

2009-03-25 Thread Dieter Maurer
Tim Knapp wrote at 2009-3-23 18:21 +1300: I would like to override the DateTime.DateTime class within my functional tests. I have tried mocking (via mocker) and injecting the subclassed DateTime class into sys.modules (results in a TraversalError). The fartherest I've gotten is to set

Re: [Zope] Regarding ZODB

2009-03-25 Thread Dieter Maurer
amol kumbhar wrote at 2009-3-25 10:28 +0530: I am trying to execute following code *import ZODB from Persistence import Persistent For Zope 2.8, the package/module structure has been drastically changed. What used to be in Persistence is now in persistent. I.e. you now use from persistent

[Zope-dev] [Zope 2.12] distribution broken

2009-03-15 Thread Dieter Maurer
In order to test my external 'ZClasses' implementation, I easy_installed Zope2 (about 1 hour ago) -- but unfortunately, the distribution is broken: version conflict zope.component 3.5.1 versus zope.component 3.6.0. Maybe, the eggification of Zope2 will not turn out to be an advantage -- at least

[Zope-dev] [Zope 2.12] how to test products/packages?

2009-03-15 Thread Dieter Maurer
The Zope 2.12 documention tells that the test command was removed from zopectl. test was a convenient way to test products and packages in the context of the instance. How is this use case now supported? -- Dieter ___ Zope-Dev maillist -

[Zope-dev] [Zope 2.12] Packaging weakness

2009-03-15 Thread Dieter Maurer
The documentation on PyPI tells to look into doc/INSTALL.txt to find installation instructions. However, doc is not installed by the standard easy_install process. Therefore, it is not so easy to find it. Relevant documentation should be installed by the standard easy_install process (it should

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope 2.12] how to test products/packages?

2009-03-15 Thread Dieter Maurer
Andreas Jung wrote at 2009-3-15 08:53 +0100: On 15.03.2009 8:31 Uhr, Dieter Maurer wrote: The Zope 2.12 documention tells that the test command was removed from zopectl. Have to investigate that. test was a convenient way to test products and packages in the context of the instance. How

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope 2.12] Packaging weakness

2009-03-15 Thread Dieter Maurer
Andreas Jung wrote at 2009-3-15 08:56 +0100: ... On 15.03.2009 8:36 Uhr, Dieter Maurer wrote: The documentation on PyPI tells to look into doc/INSTALL.txt to find installation instructions. However, doc is not installed by the standard easy_install process. Therefore, it is not so easy

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope 2.12] how to test products/packages?

2009-03-15 Thread Dieter Maurer
Hanno Schlichting wrote at 2009-3-15 11:10 +0100: Dieter Maurer wrote: The Zope 2.12 documention tells that the test command was removed from zopectl. test was a convenient way to test products and packages in the context of the instance. How is this use case now supported? The normal way

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope 2.12] distribution broken

2009-03-15 Thread Dieter Maurer
Andreas Jung wrote at 2009-3-15 08:48 +0100: ... Zope2 2.12.1a1 version conflict ... ... In addition: setuptools 0.6c7 is pretty old and known to be broken in some ways. As expected, setuptool 0.6.c7 was not the problem. After easy_install -U setuptools, an easy_install -U Zope2 leads to

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope 2.12] distribution broken

2009-03-15 Thread Dieter Maurer
Andreas Jung wrote at 2009-3-15 08:48 +0100: ... Zope2 2.12.0a1 distribution broken ... ... Try using the traditional python bootstrap.py bin/buildout approach. That (magically) worked. -- Dieter ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope 2.12] how to test products/packages?

2009-03-15 Thread Dieter Maurer
Andreas Jung wrote at 2009-3-15 18:36 +0100: ... test was a convenient way to test products and packages in the context of the instance. How is this use case now supported? Go with the buildout approach and use the alltests.cfg for testing support (see alltests.cfg). Means: work with a SVN

Re: [Zope-dev] Dependencies for ZCML

2009-03-13 Thread Dieter Maurer
Tres Seaver wrote at 2009-3-11 21:27 -0400: ... In packages that don't load their own ZCML during the tests, it's harder to say. One reaction could be that this package doesn't have enough tests then! Of course another would argue that this is configuration information only that can be

Re: [Zope-dev] Dependencies for ZCML

2009-03-13 Thread Dieter Maurer
Tres Seaver wrote at 2009-3-12 14:25 -0400: ... Sorry, I meant mandatory tests which load ZCML. I'm actually against ever loading ZCML in tests at all. If you ship ZCML, you should test it, no? You will not ship ZCML, but this may not apply to everybody -- Dieter

Re: [Zope-dev] Dependencies for ZCML

2009-03-13 Thread Dieter Maurer
Tres Seaver wrote at 2009-3-13 16:20 -0400: ... Dieter Maurer wrote: Tres Seaver wrote at 2009-3-12 14:25 -0400: ... Sorry, I meant mandatory tests which load ZCML. I'm actually against ever loading ZCML in tests at all. If you ship ZCML, you should test it, no? Not necessarily: in fact

Re: [Zope] re ad-only-database

2009-03-13 Thread Dieter Maurer
Jean Jordaan wrote at 2009-3-12 04:11 -0700: The only place I find a clue about 'read-only' is in .../zope2/lib/python/ZODB/component.xml after grepping (after reading Dieter's message) That's what you should use for your read-only databases. It describes a configuration option for your storage

Re: [Zope-dev] deprecating the deprecation system?

2009-03-11 Thread Dieter Maurer
Lennart Regebro wrote at 2009-3-9 17:09 +0100: On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 15:56, Dieter Maurer die...@handshake.de wrote: The product_name parameter used to be mandatory -- thus all calls to ToolInit had to use it. Then, a means was found to derive it automatically from the context. The developper

Re: [Zope-dev] Python3 and attribute annotations.

2009-03-11 Thread Dieter Maurer
Dan Korostelev wrote at 2009-3-10 00:20 +0300: ... But there's a problem: those annotations will be stored in object's __annotations__ attribute, which is also used by zope.annotation's AttributeAnnotation implementation, so they will conflict. And the problem is far wider: The Python

Re: [Zope-dev] Question: additional context for IAnnotations adapter?

2009-03-09 Thread Dieter Maurer
Jacob Holm wrote at 2009-3-6 01:55 +0100: ... I added it while working for ZC two years ago. It was needed to support a use case where the context used for looking up the annotation was not necessarily the current site. I don't know if the use case is still relevant to ZC, but the pattern is

Re: [Zope-dev] deprecating the deprecation system?

2009-03-09 Thread Dieter Maurer
Roger Ineichen wrote at 2009-3-8 14:38 +0100: ... Can you give an example of a meaningless deprecation warning? A few of the deprecations I have disliked for a long time: /home/dieter/Z/Products/Archetypes/__init__.py:15: DeprecationWarning: The module, 'Products.CMFCore.CMFCorePermissions'

Re: [Zope] fstest reports time-stamp reduction, what does it mean and should I be worried?

2009-03-09 Thread Dieter Maurer
Chris Withers wrote at 2009-3-8 12:26 +: Nope, Zope 2.9.8. In older ZODB versions, this should happen when your clock jumped back into the past. The clocks on both the storage servers are NTP synched and I'm pretty sure they've not jumped back at any point... Another (more serious) cause

Re: [Zope-dev] the Zope Framework project

2009-03-05 Thread Dieter Maurer
Martijn Faassen wrote at 2009-3-3 00:36 +0100: ... * how will the community make hard decisions where lots of people disagree? You try to achieve consensus. When you do not, you get the chance that people turn away. ... * who reminds us of necessary tasks and directions we're going into?

Re: [Zope-dev] the Zope Framework project

2009-03-05 Thread Dieter Maurer
Martin Aspeli wrote at 2009-3-3 17:21 +0900: ... How many times have we gotten bogged down in semantics or naming discussions and killed off the momentum behind something? A clear notion of semantics and well chosen names are important for any project. I would not want momentum resulting in

Re: [Zope-dev] the Zope Framework project

2009-03-05 Thread Dieter Maurer
Martijn Faassen wrote at 2009-3-3 22:11 +0100: ... backwards compatibility at all costs, I agree that have erred on the side of too much backwards compatibility. That increased the overhead of changes tremendously and blocked innovation. Large applications are built upon the framework. If

Re: [Zope-dev] deprecating the deprecation system?

2009-03-05 Thread Dieter Maurer
Martijn Faassen wrote at 2009-3-5 17:35 +0100: Perhaps it's time to deprecate the deprecation system. ... Thoughts? +1 -- Dieter ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML

Re: [Zope-dev] setup.py extra dependencies

2009-03-05 Thread Dieter Maurer
Dan Korostelev wrote at 2009-3-5 22:14 +0300: ... -0.75 for removing functionality extras. I still don't get how extras are different from additional packages. I agree with Dan -- and add -1. The extras are equivalent to almost identical additional packages. If this makes reasoning more

Re: [Zope] sending a encrypted login URL

2009-03-05 Thread Dieter Maurer
Joseph Thomas (s) wrote at 2009-3-4 10:29 -0600: We'd like to construct a zope login URL of the form on another server: http://zope.domain:port/context/logged_in?__ac_name=uzz__ac_passwor d=xxxsubmit=Log+in where the ac_name and ac_password parameters are encrypted using zope public key

Re: [Zope] fstest reports time-stamp reduction, what does it mean and should I be worried?

2009-03-05 Thread Dieter Maurer
Chris Withers wrote at 2009-3-5 11:28 +: For one customer, I have a secondary storage server that copies repozo backups, restores them and then runs fstest over the restored result once every few hours. (I'd like to move to zeoraid, but it's not quite there yet!) On a few occasions

Re: [Zope] Reconnection session_data to own Session.fs storage

2009-03-05 Thread Dieter Maurer
Allen Schmidt Sr. wrote at 2009-3-5 10:34 -0500: Somehow, and not sure how, our session_data objects got deleted. No one admits doing it so no idea what happened. I recreated the objects with the same IDs and even setup the ZODB mount point to point to the right parts. But our SESSION calls

Re: [Zope] sending a encrypted login URL

2009-03-05 Thread Dieter Maurer
Joseph Thomas (s) wrote at 2009-3-5 14:01 -0600: Thanks, could you elaborate a bit, I'm somewhat new zope/plone: I assume we'd need a shared key on both on ore j2ee server and zope EVP (documented in the *nix man pages) supports both symmetical as well as unsymmetrical encryption. When you use

Re: [Zope-dev] the Zope Framework project

2009-03-02 Thread Dieter Maurer
Chris McDonough wrote at 2009-3-2 12:11 -0500: ... I'm pretty sure a steering group and a rebranding of existing software is not going to make us more effective. + 1 Here's what I believe would make us more effective: - encouraging radical change for experimentation purposes, releasing folks

Re: [Zope-dev] SVN: zope2book/trunk/ Lot's of updates over the weekend!

2009-02-21 Thread Dieter Maurer
Andreas Jung wrote at 2009-2-16 19:50 +0100: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 16.02.2009 19:43 Uhr, Dieter Maurer wrote: Andreas Jung wrote at 2009-2-16 19:20 +0100: ... Please come off it. Either become an active contributor and participate in our dictatorship I will never

Re: [Zope-dev] SVN: zope2book/trunk/ Lot's of updates over the weekend!

2009-02-21 Thread Dieter Maurer
Jens Vagelpohl wrote at 2009-2-16 20:43 +0100: ... On Feb 16, 2009, at 19:43 , Dieter Maurer wrote: Andreas Jung wrote at 2009-2-16 19:20 +0100: ... Please come off it. Either become an active contributor and participate in our dictatorship I will never participate in your dictatorship

Re: [Zope-dev] Coding style clarifications

2009-02-21 Thread Dieter Maurer
Zvezdan Petkovic wrote at 2009-2-19 13:06 -0500: I can adapt to any style and believe that the fine grain details should not be dogmatically enforced but rather allow for variations in such subjective preferences. +1 -- Dieter ___ Zope-Dev

Re: [Zope] Zope2 and XMLRPC methods

2009-02-21 Thread Dieter Maurer
Rowan Woodhouse wrote at 2009-2-17 21:36 +: ... I'm having some trouble getting XML-RPC methods going on Zope2/Five. I've got the following in my configure.zcml: The Zope 3 xmlrpc implementation may not work with Zope2. Zope2' xmlrpc implementation is incredibly hard (and broken): it

Re: [Zope] Filesystem Directory View Child Folders

2009-02-21 Thread Dieter Maurer
Garito wrote at 2009-2-18 13:13 +0100: I have a filesystem directory view that has 2 child folders But when I switch to debug mode off the 2 folders disappears Is this the normal FDV behaviour or I have any kind of problem? No. There should only be a single difference between debug and

Re: [Zope] Help with my first steps

2009-02-21 Thread Dieter Maurer
deconya wrote at 2009-2-20 15:14 +0100: Im new in this list and I need help for my first steps. Im received a server with zope installed to administer 3 webs but one has the problem that fails the configuration to establish the initial page. I fear you need some background reading to understand

Re: [Zope-dev] SVN: zope2book/trunk/ Lot's of updates over the weekend!

2009-02-16 Thread Dieter Maurer
Tres Seaver wrote at 2009-2-15 10:45 -0500: ... At the moment, the book is largely a guide to what can be done with Zope TTW. DTML is still part of that store: it isn't gone, nor even deprecated: its just that most core developers prefer not to use it in most cases. Note that there is still no

Re: [Zope-dev] SVN: zope2book/trunk/ Lot's of updates over the weekend!

2009-02-16 Thread Dieter Maurer
Tres Seaver wrote at 2009-2-15 11:03 -0500: ... I would rather make the case, explaining the tradeoffs, including the fact that the consensus of the community is as you express, but then let people make up their own minds. +1 I hate the tendancy of quite a few Zope core developpers to dictate

Re: [Zope-dev] SVN: zope2book/trunk/ Lot's of updates over the weekend!

2009-02-16 Thread Dieter Maurer
Andreas Jung wrote at 2009-2-16 19:20 +0100: ... Please come off it. Either become an active contributor and participate in our dictatorship I will never participate in your dictatorship! -- Dieter ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org

Re: [Zope-dev] ZCML implementations: where should they go

2009-02-10 Thread Dieter Maurer
Hanno Schlichting wrote at 2009-2-8 14:14 +0100: Wichert Akkerman wrote: I'ld rather not see a whole slew of extra packagse appear. I also wonder how the extra number of packages and increasing size of sys.path influence performance and restrictions on environments like GAE. For environments

Re: [Zope-dev] ZCML implementations: where should they go

2009-02-10 Thread Dieter Maurer
Jim Fulton wrote at 2009-2-8 13:00 -0500: ... IMO, introducing an extra is like introducing a new package and in a rather complicated way. I agree with the first part of your sentence -- but cannot follow you with the second part: How can 'extra' : sequence of required distributions be

Re: [Zope-dev] ZCML implementations: where should they go

2009-02-10 Thread Dieter Maurer
Jim Fulton wrote at 2009-2-10 14:01 -0500: On Feb 10, 2009, at 1:49 PM, Dieter Maurer wrote: Jim Fulton wrote at 2009-2-8 13:00 -0500: ... IMO, introducing an extra is like introducing a new package and in a rather complicated way. I agree with the first part of your sentence -- but cannot

Re: [Zope-dev] multiple packages in the same namespace

2009-02-08 Thread Dieter Maurer
Christian Theune wrote at 2009-2-7 09:36 +0100: ... According to the setuptools documentation and our experiments on the sprint, this is supposed to work and does work: When you declare a package to be a namespace package, it means that the package has no meaningful contents in its __init__.py,

Re: [Zope-dev] zope.security changes

2009-02-06 Thread Dieter Maurer
Chris Withers wrote at 2009-2-6 12:31 +: ... I would find is very unintuitive when configuration were centralized (in subpackages of zope.configuration) rather than modular. Configuration belongs to the application or framework component that depends on this configuration not to

Re: [Zope-dev] SVN: zope.app.component/trunk/ Please, don't just remove things that could be used in users code.

2009-02-06 Thread Dieter Maurer
Dan Korostelev wrote at 2009-2-6 14:10 +0300: ... I still think we need to bug developers that they need to upgrade their code with deprecation warnings, so we can eventually remove old imports. When you abuse deprecation warnings for minor cosmetic issues you risk that deprecation warnings are

Re: [Zope] Disabling ZEO file cache?

2009-02-04 Thread Dieter Maurer
Morten W. Petersen wrote at 2009-2-2 18:23 +0100: how does one go about in the configuration file to disable the ZEO file-caching feature? What is the ZEO file-caching feature? When you mean the persistent ZEO client cache feature, then ZODB/component.xml -- zeoclient tells you about all

Re: [Zope-dev] zope.security changes

2009-01-31 Thread Dieter Maurer
Chris Withers wrote at 2009-1-30 18:50 +: Brian Sutherland wrote: zope.configuration.x zope.configuration.y Please don't, having namespace packages that contain files (as zope.configuration already does) breaks setuptools. Then setuptools needs fixing. But not for this purpose: I

Re: [Zope] ZopeProfiler and Kcachegrind, how to convert statistics files ?

2009-01-28 Thread Dieter Maurer
Jean-Michel FRANCOIS wrote at 2009-1-28 16:56 +0100: Is someone has try to use ZopeProfiler with KCacheGrind ? I would like to try KCachegrind because i found xdot very slow. I have started to read the code of ZopeProfiler and i have discovered the world of profiling file format. It seems that

Re: [Zope-dev] Plans for Zope 2.12

2009-01-25 Thread Dieter Maurer
Andreas Jung wrote at 2009-1-21 14:55 +0100: ... TARGET=Python 2.6.X ACCEPTABLE=Python 2.5 Python 2.4.X would be basically not acceptable but could be used at your own risk using the --with-python option. ... - - removing ZClasses completely But hopefully provided by a separate

Re: [Zope-dev] Plans for Zope 2.12

2009-01-25 Thread Dieter Maurer
Chris Withers wrote at 2009-1-22 09:38 +: ... One thing that myself and Shane talked briefly about on this list was re-implementing the AST manipulation as dissallow-by-default filter rather than a straight manipulation. That way, unexpected stuff should be allowed by default. The terms

Re: [Zope-dev] Plans for Zope 2.12

2009-01-25 Thread Dieter Maurer
Hanno Schlichting wrote at 2009-1-23 19:36 +0100: Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously Tres Seaver wrote: Andreas Jung wrote: - removing ZClasses completely This is done now. Wow. This was quick! Much quicker than fixing bugs reported in the collector :-( -- Dieter

Re: [Zope-dev] Plans for Zope 2.12

2009-01-25 Thread Dieter Maurer
Andreas Jung wrote at 2009-1-25 10:21 +0100: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 25.01.2009 9:27 Uhr, Dieter Maurer wrote: Andreas Jung wrote at 2009-1-21 14:55 +0100: ... TARGET=Python 2.6.X ACCEPTABLE=Python 2.5 Python 2.4.X would be basically not acceptable but could

Re: [Zope-dev] Plans for Zope 2.12

2009-01-25 Thread Dieter Maurer
Andreas Jung wrote at 2009-1-25 12:53 +0100: ... - removing ZClasses completely This is done now. Wow. This was quick! Much quicker than fixing bugs reported in the collector :-( Please stop bitching and fix your favorite bugs in the collector. You have svn commit right *wink* I will

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