From: Steve Alexander
>I found your discussion of ZPatterns terms very thought-provoking.
Thanks. The first positive comment about it :-)
Your reply seems thorough. I will read it through in a day or two. (Has a
deadline right now.)
>Max, I'm extremely impressed! When I first read through your
Steve Alexander wrote:
>
> You've described the Model-View relationship.
> The Controller part is where ZPatterns gets interesting; you can use
> SkinScript to do a load of validation on your data, all in one place, in
> a fairly specific and declarative language, which gets applied on
> commi
Thanks Max,
I found your discussion of ZPatterns terms very thought-provoking.
Max Møller Rasmussen wrote:
>
> To avoid this zPatterns use an anbstraction of a table called a "Rack". If
> you define this Rack how it is implemented at the backend doesn't matter. It
> can be an SQL database, or
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
> >Hmm, maybe it's the time for a translate-zPatterns-to-english effort?
> I'll give it a try:
Thanks for the effort, but I'm an application server architect myself so I do
understand the things that zPatterns tries to solve.
It's not about understanding, my issue with
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
> The basic problem as I experience it is not so much the jargon,
> because you get used to it.
That's what they told me about Perl, too. And because I couldn't get used to
that mess, I switched to Python (maybe zPatterns was written for the wrong
language? ;-})
--
Cee
Have you seen:
http://www.zope.org/Members/sspickle/DumbZPatternsExample
there is an upgrade in the works. ;-) I'm working out the
kinks with a way to do documentation/modeling with ZPatterns.
Hopefully within a week or two...
-steve
> "Dario" == Dario Lopez-Kästen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wri
Cees de Groot wrote:
>
> Chris Withers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> >...I disagree, ZPatterns only major flaw is that its totally immersed in
> >its own jargon which very few people understand :-(
> >
> >That said, my impression is that if you can wade through the b/s, it's
> >more than worth th
> > I simple products that does things the ZPatterns way, and
> explains why and
> > how would be just great.
>
> The problem, and this I totally agree with PJE, Ty Sarna and the other
> people who're using ZPatterns and fully understand it, is
> that they are
> using it to do their jobs and s
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Hmm, maybe it's the time for a translate-zPatterns-to-english effort?
I'll give it a try:
Normally you talk about multi tier applications, when talking about
something like zPatterns.
Say you want to make a website where users can write artic
"Magnus Heino (Rivermen)" wrote:
>
> Are there any more docs or any examples available now than a couple of
> months ago?
Maybe
> I simple products that does things the ZPatterns way, and explains why and
> how would be just great.
The problem, and this I totally agree with PJE, Ty Sarna and t
Chris Withers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>...I disagree, ZPatterns only major flaw is that its totally immersed in
>its own jargon which very few people understand :-(
>
>That said, my impression is that if you can wade through the b/s, it's
>more than worth the effort...
>
Hmm, maybe it's the time
> ...I disagree, ZPatterns only major flaw is that its totally
> immersed in
> its own jargon which very few people understand :-(
>
> That said, my impression is that if you can wade through the b/s, it's
> more than worth the effort...
Are there any more docs or any examples available now th
Brad Clements wrote:
>
> On 6 Dec 2000, at 23:54, Bill Welch wrote:
> works well, but the terminology used in ZPatterns always gives me a
> headache. Clearly a shortcoming on my part
...I disagree, ZPatterns only major flaw is that its totally immersed in
its own jargon which very few people un
Gijs Reulen wrote:
Files\Zope_216\lib\python\Products\ZPatterns\Proxy.py",
> line 2, in ?
> from AccessControl import getSecurityManager
> ImportError: cannot import name getSecurityManager
It looks like 0.4.1snap1 needs Zope 2.2 for the new Security interface.
I see from the path you're usin
Solved that one had to install ExtensionClass from the zope source.
Owen Smith wrote:
> I installed the dev version of python which solved my first problem but
> when I do a make I get this
>
> zope@phonix:/usr/local/dc/zope/lib/python/Products/ZPatterns$ make
> gcc -fPIC -I../../ZODB -I../
On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, Owen Smith wrote:
> make[1]: *** No rule to make target
> `/usr/lib/python1.5/config/Makefile', needed by `sedscript'. Stop.
> make[1]: Leaving directory
> `/usr/local/dc/zope/lib/python/Products/ZPatterns'
> make: *** [boot] Error 2
>
> Where am I going wrong?
> I know /usr
That's right. Copy the Makefile.pree.in.boot from the python library in
your zope. Then do as you said yourself. run make -f Makefile.pre.in
boot, then run make. Then your'e home free
/Mathias
Demos Economacos wrote:
> > To: Mathias Bengtsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > MIME-
Chris Withers wrote:
>
> Bill Anderson wrote:
> > What happens when the object is in multiple racks?
> > (Assuming it is possible)
>
> Then it'll be missing if something tries to get it from a rack. The same
> thing as would happen if something tried to get it from a single rack
> after it'd bee
Scott Parish wrote:
> Another thought i just had was that if you deleted by placing a call to the
> Rack, then you couldn't allow the class to override manage_delete. You might
> want to do such (overriding) if you wanted it to clean up a catalog or perform
> some other auxiliary function before
Bill Anderson wrote:
> What happens when the object is in multiple racks?
> (Assuming it is possible)
Then it'll be missing if something tries to get it from a rack. The same
thing as would happen if something tried to get it from a single rack
after it'd been deleted. So this case should be cove
Thus spake Chris Withers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> Scott Parish wrote:
> > I'm not entirely clear how
> > asking the object to delete itself in this case is going to improve the
> > situation over just asking the rack to, but I think that was the intent.
>
> Okay, I see the intent now too, but I ag
Chris Withers wrote:
>
> Scott Parish wrote:
> > I'm not entirely clear how
> > asking the object to delete itself in this case is going to improve the
> > situation over just asking the rack to, but I think that was the intent.
>
> Okay, I see the intent now too, but I agree with you that I can
Scott Parish wrote:
> I'm not entirely clear how
> asking the object to delete itself in this case is going to improve the
> situation over just asking the rack to, but I think that was the intent.
Okay, I see the intent now too, but I agree with you that I can't see
what advantage asking the obj
Thus spake Chris Withers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> Ty Sarna wrote:
> > call the manage_delete() method on the object. That is, you ask the
> > object to delete itself.
>
> This seems unnecessarily long-winded to me. What are the reasons for it
> being like this? (examples are good... ;-)
>
> > How
Ty Sarna wrote:
> call the manage_delete() method on the object. That is, you ask the
> object to delete itself.
This seems unnecessarily long-winded to me. What are the reasons for it
being like this? (examples are good... ;-)
> However, once you have the object, operations on the object should
In article ,
Jeff Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> However, search as I might, I cannot figure out how to delete an item
> once it's been created. On gut instinct, I figured there would be a
> deleteItem() to complement the newItem() method. No
Hi,
I don't know of a ZPatterns "Hello, World". I remember feeling quite
pleased when I managed to get a ZClass instance added to a Rack. Of course,
how one would define "Hello, world" in the context of ZPatterns, I'm not
sure. I haven't yet had a chance to use 0.4, so this example won't ment
Thanks but, I did a find and I can't find the file anywhere in the
zope install. Does anyone know where I should look? Is it in the python
dir or some part of python, I tried looking in there too but couldn't find
it.
Perhaps I need some other product?
Thanks for any help,
Pete
Monty Taylor
If you're running from the RPM install, I believe it puts the Components
dir somewhere else. (Can't remember, though)
For what it's worth...
Monty
Peter Simmons wrote:
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> I was trying to setup ZPatterns 0.3.0 and I got up to making the
> extension DynPersistc. I had run "make -f
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From: "Chris Withers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Paul Everitt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2000 9:06 AM
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> Paul Everitt wrote:
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> > Howdy folks. As mentioned previously, a gem i
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