Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I wonder what Simon Michael is up to nowdays?
I have been visiting family.. I'll be back in the US next week.
Great thread here. I also feel this pain, grovelling around between
wiki, mailing list, newsgroup, message board, etc.
I wonder if we should
I like where you're going with this Martijn.
Spurred on by your concrete examples, how about this: every wiki page
has an email address and functions as a "mailing list". Eg: I could
subscribe or send edits to
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StructuredTextWiki:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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"Rik Hoekstra" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I think everyone agees about that, but at least some of the participants in
this discussion also agree that most of the existing discussion tools for
any mode of discussion are frustrating and insufficient at times. Moreover,
apparently not everyone
Flat Database (was ListMate) is just what I need to whip up an
interface for non-technical administrators - thanks. So I migrated two
data tables ("workshops" "registrations") from gadfly to flatdb
instances using the CSV import feature, and the admin interface is
working fine.
I'm having a
He 8-) ... sounds like a good time to mention the below
(and Ken, your new feature priorities look very close to mine):
I have uploaded a release candidate:
http://zwiki.org/zwikidir/releases/ZWiki-0.7.0.tgz .
Please hammer on it if you can - tomorrow is an auspicious date for
release!
Here are some draft howto-like things some might find helpful
(improvements welcome) :
http://zwiki.org/ZopeDebuggingRoadmap
http://zwiki.org/HowToDebugZopeInEmacs
and a burning question:
how can I invoke zserver such that I will get the interactive debug
prompt ? I'd like to have my
this should resolve a problem with the recent release. From
http://zwiki.org/FrontPageNews:
"The original (pre-0.7.0) problem was this: in dtml modes, initial
lines containing : followed by a blank line were not rendered (because
they were considered to be http headers).
The symptoms of
Re this error when adding a zwiki web:
Error Type: KeyError
Error Value: H?v`H?v$y_?-006412673360557
Content-Disposition: form-data; name="wiki_type" basic
Tony McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It is a Mac actually. IE 5.0. I've just asked a colleague to try
Juan, thanks for shining some light towards this murky area. Maybe
ZWiki and other zope products need to be LGPL or dual-licensed, maybe
the zope license can use some refinement. I for one won't know without
seeing some enlightened discussion of the issue.
This stuff is unsexy but important.
Simon Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Or, if someone wants to distribute something which includes zope and
one or more GPL products.
I mean, eg, you want to distribute your end-user package Easy Portal
Creator 2000, based on zope/ptk/squishdot/zwiki
This is great, Lalo! Thanks.
I checked in ZUnit support to ZWiki-cvs, and the first couple of unit
tests. Suddenly, I feel all Extreme!
FWIW, here's how I run the tests. I made a TestRunner called
ZWikiTests, pointing to "Products.ZWiki.TestSuite". I have these rules
in a makefile:
I added some ZUnit tests which invoke Tim Peters' doctest testing
framework in the zope environment. More at http://zwiki.org/DocTest
regards,
-Simon
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Simon Michael wrote:
Flat Database (was ListMate) is just what I need to whip up an
interface for non-technical administrators - thanks. So I migrated two
data tables ("workshops" "registrations") from gadfly to flat
Michel Pelletier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I am, in particular, barely not lazy enough to check stuff into
branches, much less whole other repositories. ;)
Nicely put. Posted on zwiki.org so I can use it later. :)
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I think it needs an image content-type ?
Sorry, just my flaky link. For shame, to think such a thing.
My two cents on the screenshot:
- looks like good progress!
- the top bar as shown definitely doesn't make best use of my precious
screen space
Great, Dieter!
If anyone can post a link to some example output, please do.
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Hi Lalo,
thanks for your work on ZUnit. I have just been playing with 0.2.
To get it working in my zope account at Codeit, I moved Hiper from
Shared/ to Products/ and changed the import statements.
I also needed to make some changes of this kind:
#manage_RunTestsForm =
Lalo Martins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
To get it working in my zope account at Codeit, I moved Hiper
from Shared/ to Products/ and changed the import statements.
Why?
Zope or the codeit setup didn't seem to see things in
INSTANCE_HOME/Shared and I don't have access to
Hi all,
I want to highlight a wiki page's last changes, so I have a need for a
better display of diffs between two revisions.
Can you recommend any good free diff code out there with nice html
output ?
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from http://zwiki.org/FrontPage:
simon - why is the antidecaptiation kludge there?
tav - it was a temporary way around an undocumented feature of DTML
Documents, namely if your document's text begins with one or more
lines that look like a http: header, they get moved into the actual
http
If you have a recipe or script or ideas for this, I'd appreciate it. I
have a non-functional makefile recipe that currently looks like this -
echo id=$(PRODUCT)-$(VERSION).tgz\nfile=`cat releases/$(PRODUCT)-$(VERSION).tgz | \
python -c import sys,urllib; print
Morten W. Petersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Cool. And maybe some apt-get functionality? Like 'zope-apt-get
dist-upgrade'? :-)
Yeah, hang on -
uh, Jerome ? Hey, uh, me and the folks on the list think there's this
one little extra that would make zshell perfect.. :)
Meanwhile, if I could
Now I can do something like
make zdoreleaseall
creating ZWiki-0.9.3.tgz release on zope.org
uploading ZWiki-0.9.3.tgz
configuring ZWiki-0.9.3.tgz properties
submitting ZWiki-0.9.3.tgz to the catalog
creating ZWiki-0.9.3-released news item on zope.org
configuring ZWiki-0.9.3-released properties
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Here comes the liscence wars again.
Nope. Please don't drag down a constructive thread.
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WikiForNow project. As soon as i'm clear form a current project i
*may* be able to concentrate on at least formulating a reasonable
quick-and-dirty way to do notifications, and getting it done for the
Hey Ken - since you used the magic words
Jan-Oliver Wagner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The license dicussion takes place elsewhere as all of you surely
know. License wars tend to come up at various places but are usually
not competent discussions.
With respect - loose talk of license wars should be avoided. What
you say is true but
reviewing the thread just now, I couldn't figure out how Jan-Oliver
first participated and then argued against it. Now I think he was
responding to Steve Drees and not saying what I thought he said.
Sorry Jan! :)
so-far-so-good-ly'rs,
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Thanks for a most illuminating thread. Slight clarification to a
comment of yours Shane -
Shane Hathaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
GPL code together. ZWiki is just in a strange position because the
GPL is not actually in effect.
I'm not sure I'd use those words - the license is certainly
Shane Hathaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
One of the consequences being that someone re-distributing zope
zwiki together, under their default licenses, is technically in
violation right now, I think we are all agreeing.
Technically yes, although I like to think that the product developers
Simon Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Well, I'm guessing there was a shout of joy around the world - it made
my day. I think many of us then said well thank god for some sanity
PS, and in case that wasn't clear -
I want to say a BIG THANK YOU to all who put so much hard work into
solving
Now you're talking. Seconded.
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Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 16:43:05 -0600 (MDT) From: Richard Stallman
snip
If the latter, then in general, you can't take someone's GPL-covered
code and combine it with Zope, because the Zope license is
GPL-incompatible.
If someone wrote a
Jan-Oliver Wagner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I am not sure what you want to express with your statement.
that I now see we were in agreement. Sorry for the confusion.
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I think I read someone had integrated the sample zwiki web(s) into the
python product, removing the need for the import which causes great
confusion. If you know anything about this, please get in touch.
Thanks -Simon
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Chris McDonough [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Yes, the CMFWiki product does this... it's fairly simple code that I
think could be lifted directly from the product. I think CMFWiki
comes with the CVS checkout of the CMF now...
Thanks Chris, I will look. I posted a tentative plan on
Hi Stephan, thanks for this. Sounds pretty useful.
IMPORTANT: SmartSections requires OrderedFolder!
and CoreSessionTracking.. and Formulator.. and SmartWizard.. (or not?)
It seems to be happy with dependencies now but when I create a Smart
Section in the ZMI I get
Error Type: AttributeError
FYI - http://zwiki.org/ChatMode :
ChatMode is an experimental port of Jim Washington's clever
!ZRTChat product:http://www.zope.org/Members/jwashin/ZRTChat. It
stores comments on an ordinary zwiki page. The idea here is that any
zwiki page can function as a chat room by viewing it in chat
And life is just not the same without it!
I had auto refresh working fine until recently. Today, if I change a
py file I see the pyc file being regenerated, but only when I do a
manual refresh. And I do not see the effect of the changes until I do
a full zope restart.
FWIW, several things
Shane Hathaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Are you running Zope 2.4.x? If so, don't install the Refresh product,
since the functionality is now built-in.
No, 2.3.3.
Or maybe the refresh product isn't initializing... ?
hmm it looks normal.
Perhaps it's something to do with today's date.
R. David Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Probably, but I naively imagined that I was sophisticated enough
to be finding a real problem...but I'm obviously not smart enough
to realize that a breakage this fundamental could be due to a package
like ZDebug.
I wasn't either.. I think the word
Shane Hathaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Looking at the zope.org logs, I once saw GoogleBot generate URLs like
this to zope.org of 1000 characters or more.
I had this too, leading to heavy traffic what's more. Cf
http://zwiki.org/TheRobotProblem.
Since then, as a temporary measure I set the
And you could take a look at http://zwiki.org/ZwikiTracker .
Cheers
-Simon
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Andreas Jung wrote:
I would be fine to have reStructuredText inside the Zope core (for 2.7)
and to deprecate the current StructuredText in the long run.
My two cents - there are some things in rST I would like to have but I
think it has gone too far with it's rules. If I had to choose one or
R. David Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
it would be really sad. So if that is a ruling criterion, I'd
vote for two versions of structured text, preferably with a
translator between them.
Well, it would be easy enough (or maybe not, with current stx code) for
structured text to accept
Paul Everitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
+1
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Hi all - can we get the http://collector.zope.org/Zope/432 fix into 2.6.1
*cough*andreas*cough*. This undoes a regression that currently requires
all zwiki users to patch their zope source.
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undo the harmful http://collector.zope.org/Zope/432 .
Andreas, it looked like you were going to fix this for 2.6.0 .
Did it slip through the cracks or are you having second thoughts ?
Recap: Andreas made ' take precedence
John Barratt wrote:
the problem (which seems likely) then you can ghostify the objects that
were ghosts to begin with, and it will save memory (unless all those
objects are already in cache).
This is rather interesting, but I don't quite follow what's happening.
If you can say a little more,
John - your post and the links helped a lot. Thanks!
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Upgrading a product whose permissions have been renamed can be a pain..
you lose your permissions settings and have to recreate them.
Has anyone seen a script that would walk the zodb and replicate the old
permission settings under the new name ?
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It does sound suspiciously like the freebsd python issue. What do you
get in the event log when python crashes ? Is it SIGSEGV(11)/SIGBUS(10)
or whatever ?
This tends not to get triggered with a zeo debug prompt, for whatever
reason.
To find out, you could:
- rebuild python with a very large
What a great discussion.
I'm not sure I can catch up and make a single coherent reply, so I'll
just drop this into the stew right here: I think Zope 3 is firmly on the
right track. At the same time let us not forget the ideas around
http://www.dreamsongs.com/WorseIsBetter.html .
Casey Duncan wrote:
On a bright note, I think zopewiki.org could change that. It *greatly*
lowers the bar on contributing
That is exactly the intent. We have needed this since the days of the ZDP.
I see no reason why it being or not being on Zope.org is relevant. Its a
social thing: Simon
The web-based development environment (see demo) of http://wheatfarm.org
might be of interest too.
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http://www.wheatfarm.org/wiki/EinkornServer
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Yeah, this is exactely what I would need. Maybe I could ask someone to install
this for me. Mmmhh, ...
Hi Stephan.. I'll look into installing it on zopewiki for experiments.
If someone wants to enable it on zope.org as well I will support.
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+1. This happens a bit on plone.org as well. Valid issues get rejected a
bit too quickly when they should be left open or clarified further.
Since the submitter is relatively powerless in these trackers there is a
bad psychological effect.
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I wonder if there's any connection with
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=983311group_id=5470atid=105470
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Hi all,
I'd like to print a this page was rendered in ... milliseconds as you
see on php sites. I think I'd get better accuracy by getting at least
the start time from ZPublisher because.. actually it may not help, but
I'm thinking about the case where a request generates a redirect and
Hi all. How would I capture the output of test.py ? 21 seems not to help.
Also, shouldn't it exit with a failure code when tests fail ? If anyone
has made this work, I'd appreciate hearing about it.
Cheers
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Hi all. How would I capture the output of test.py ? 21 seems not to help.
AH. 21 must come after , explained in the bash man page.
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Hi all,
I would appreciate it if someone would post a transcript of running
product tests with the Zope 2.9 testrunner.
Thanks
-Simon
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Thanks.. that doesn't work for me, ideas anyone ?
/zope2$ bin/zopectl test
/zope2.9/lib/python/App/ImageFile.py:21: DeprecationWarning: Using
OFS.content_types is deprecated (will be re\moved in Zope 2.11). Instead
use zope.app.contenttypes.
from OFS.content_types import guess_content_type
I got it working by copying $ZOPE_SRC/test.py to $SOFTWARE_HOME/bin.
make install doesn't do this - it seems
http://www.zope.org/Collectors/Zope/1989 was overlooked.
Your example got me there, thanks a lot.
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All hail Ken Manheimer, pdbtrack is very cool.
HAIL!
Also hail Ross and hail Chris. I didn't know about that trick for debugging
restricted code with source.
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I'm not sure what effect disabling TTW RST would have on Zwiki.
Definitely lots of Zwiki users using and enjoying RST. I think losing
include is fine, raw will be missed, but oh well.
Thanks for working on this,
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The zope2 wiki says All content here is licensed under GFDL unless
noted otherwise.
The others don't have a license statement as far as I know. When they
were hosted on zope.org, they may have fallen under a global content
license there.
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Hi all,
I made a first pass at surveying current Zope 3 docs, at
http://wiki.zope.org/zope3/DocsOverview .
I think this is more complete and current than other lists I've seen. I
hope to keep improving it and use it to guide or possibly just replace
other wiki docs. Feedback and help would
Could someone show me an example of defining a widget to set the size of
the rendered input?
Marcelo, here's what I did:
class PromosEditForm(EditForm):
An edit form to modify promo selection fields.
form_fields = form.FormFields(IContentPromoFields)
def setUpWidgets(self,
I have updated http://wiki.zope.org/zope3/Zope3Wiki , merging the
aforementioned docs overview. http://wiki.zope.org/zope3/DocsCleanup
talks more about this. I hope you agree, all feedback, improvements and
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consumption than others). Few people know about this because the
documentation is not aggregated anywhere (except for some bits on
apidoc.zope.org).
Not so! I recently did this at http://wiki.zope.org/zope3 . I hope it
helps you.
Tres Seaver wrote:
I think it is too premature to be moving the DTML chapters out of the
book: if we arent just updating the book to be current with 2.12, then
we probably need to discuss what kind of book we want, before chopping
it apart.
and
I would rather make the case, explaining the
Hey Andreas.. yay, thank you for taking this on. I'd like to help
however I can.
You asked about write access on wiki.zope.org - assuming you mean zope
manager access, I've added an account for you, see private mail. (For
the record, other manager accounts on wiki.zope.org at this time are:
Martijn Faassen wrote:
and a Sphinx-based website for official documentation maintained in SVN.
+1 of course,
Anyway, overall I'm a big supporter of the microsite approach. It's
the only approach that actually got us to new web sites over the last years.
I must quibble: I agree with you, if
Tres Seaver wrote:
thanks a lot for the effort that has been put into the new zope
documentation.
the colors of the index (light green on whit) is uncomfortable to my eyes and
+1 and +1. It may be an interim solution, but it's currently the best
Zope docs site, and it should be 1-minute job
Andreas Jung wrote:
Everyone is invited to actively participate (means: get an account
and add content
That needs a little more. First it's not clear how to get an account
(currently, add /join_form to the url). Second, after submitting the
join form I just got a login form and the account
Andreas Jung wrote:
I moved most of the relevant stuff into SVN this afternoon:
Ok, were you able to clean up, ie delete, the obsolete content as well ?
I think this is an important step we need more of in Zope docs-land.
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jump in here. Martin I think you said that very well and I'm convinced.
I appreciate and generally support Martijn's proposal. When in doubt,
I'd be in favour of emulating what's been shown to work in the Plone
community - eg
This message seems like a reasonable start to me: Zope 3 has become
focused on supporting frameworks and applications, rather than trying
to be one itself. It is now called the Zope Toolkit. Parts of it are
used by Zope 2, Plone, Grok, Repoze.bfg, and by many other different
Lennart Regebro wrote:
So, if I'm gonna act hurt, I'll claim that anybodys opinion here is
being disregarded, it's mine. ;-)
And I'll state it again, for clarities sake:
I think that Zope 3 should be renamed. I proposed Blue Bream (and
...
I have still to see any arguments against this. If
Have you considered just Bream ?
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I really liked that music for Zope. Substantial, timeless, yet also sweet and
humorous. :)
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Ravels Bolero (or some part of it):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Urfjyj4FnUc
Or some not so well-known piano music from Rachmaninov:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EkeM8Q3Z-A
Something more theatralic (at 0:23):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yctfXIqugXc
Or this (at 3:37):
Great job Andreas, thanks a lot.
Best,
-Simon
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Excellent, I hope it's a regular feature. The summary should probably go on
some blog that will be picked up by
planetzope.org/planet.zope.org, too.
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Terrific. Thanks!
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On 4/3/10 4:56 PM, Hanno Schlichting wrote:
27059 simon 20 0 98664 6388 4360 R 100 0.2 43327:19 darcs
Ack, my cunning plan to bog down all but the One True VCS is leaking. Must be
more *careful*..
But seriously, ha ha ha, no, I have no idea what that process was doing there,
sorry
On 4/8/10 8:30 PM, Jan Smith wrote:
I've published the irc meeting summaries on the Australian OzZope site
- it also has an rss feed available.
http://www.ozzope.org/weekly-zope-development-meeting
Could this be added to planetzope.org ? The planet's feed is also announced on
#zope.
On 4/21/10 7:21 AM, Christian Theune wrote:
week and we're back on a text format.
Hurrah! :)
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Great, GO TEAM!
On 5/10/11 2:57 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote:
And just talk about 'Zope community has grown' instead of starting with
Zope Corp. and the Zope community, which I think gives the impression
the community is some kind of appendage to Zope corp, the driving force
behind it all. While
On 5/10/11 11:01 PM, Andreas Jung wrote:
Please take a cup of coffee and relax.
Bah, your suggestions conflict!
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On 5/18/11 11:38 PM, Andreas Jung wrote:
Dear all,
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Thanks.. hopefully that explains it.
I tried to forward the announcement to this list, but it never appeared.
-Simon
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I've made the zope 3 wiki's skin consistent with the other wikis,
leaving the pond design for sole use of the foundation site.
I also did a little front page cleanup and updated the intro -
corrections welcome.
Until some cache expires or can be flushed/restarted by Jens, you might
see a messed
Thanks for all the hard work Michael!
Best,
-Simon
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