Dario Lopez-Kästen wrote:
Chris Withers wrote:
Andreas Jung wrote:
I've never met ppl who actually used the HelpSys so that's why I am
raising the question about the value of the HelpSys. Lots of my
co-workers work with Zope on different levels (scripters, product
developers)...I've always
Dario Lopez-Kästen wrote:
Chris Withers wrote:
Andreas Jung wrote:
I've never met ppl who actually used the HelpSys so that's why I am
raising the question about the value of the HelpSys. Lots of my
co-workers work with Zope on different levels (scripters, product
developers)...I've always
Andreas Jung wrote:
> Hi,
>
> for next release we plan to replace several parts with the corresponding
> components from Zope 3 (e.g. ZPT´). Philipp is working on a proposal on
> that issue. In addition I would like to get rid of some old stuff that
> is no longer maintained and buggy:
>
>
> - Z
On Dec 22, 2005, at 8:26 AM, Andreas Jung wrote:
--On 20. Dezember 2005 16:41:37 -0500 Chris McDonough
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Dec 20, 2005, at 4:22 PM, Paul Winkler wrote:
But I'm not sure I understand you.
Are you saying that in order to use Basket, my product can't call
registe
--On 20. Dezember 2005 16:41:37 -0500 Chris McDonough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
On Dec 20, 2005, at 4:22 PM, Paul Winkler wrote:
But I'm not sure I understand you.
Are you saying that in order to use Basket, my product can't call
registerHelp()?
Or are you saying that when installed via B
Chris Withers wrote:
Andreas Jung wrote:
I've never met ppl who actually used the HelpSys so that's why I am
raising the question about the value of the HelpSys. Lots of my
co-workers work with Zope on different levels (scripters, product
developers)...I've always pointed them to the Zope Bo
Andreas Jung wrote:
- HelpSys - from a programmers view pretty much useless and not very
helpful. I consider to replace it with something more useful (not sure
we can re-use apidoc from Zope 3 in some way, perhaps the inclusion
of Dieter's Docfinder might be more useful for programmers)
Jens Vagelpohl schrieb:
>
...
> IMHO it would be nice if the HelpSys could be changed so that it still
> provides those Help! links, but the product author can simply assign a
> URL to them to point to a place where they copied and pasted their docs
> into a website. That's not too much of an i
Andreas Jung wrote:
I've never met ppl who actually used the HelpSys so that's why I am
raising the question about the value of the HelpSys. Lots of my
co-workers work with Zope on different levels (scripters, product
developers)...I've always pointed them to the Zope Book...the HelpSys
was
On Dec 20, 2005, at 4:22 PM, Paul Winkler wrote:
But I'm not sure I understand you.
Are you saying that in order to use Basket, my product can't call
registerHelp()?
Or are you saying that when installed via Basket, registerHelp()
does nothing? That's fine.
Yep, the latter currently...
_
On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 03:58:05PM -0500, Chris McDonough wrote:
> FWIW, I have zero plans to support a registerHelp that does anything
> but "pass" or "warn" for Egg products. If people think that isn't a
> reasonable thing to do, I may need to take my committment to
> integrating eggs off
On Dec 20, 2005, at 3:29 PM, Paul Winkler wrote:
If so, the question then becomes: timetable and plan for deprecating
HelpSys. I don't think we can simply rip out registerHelp() in 2.10
unless we have deprecation warnings in 2.9; and a useful deprecation
warning requires something in place we ca
On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 08:18:18PM +, Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
> I would say the only benefit was the unification of docs for Zope and
> installed third party products in one place,
Good point!
> and its "context-
> sensitivity" for documenting screens in the ZMI when you're on them
> by c
--On 20. Dezember 2005 15:09:56 -0500 Paul Winkler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
- additional information and story telling should be done through doc
tests
For general "what is this / what does it do / how does it work"
docs, I like that idea.
But it doesn't help with filling out forms in the
On 20 Dec 2005, at 19:47, Andreas Jung wrote:
--On 20. Dezember 2005 14:27:18 -0500 Paul Winkler
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
just to be clear, the stuff I'm talking about is ZMI user interface
docs, not programmer docs.
I'll raise the question again: what are the benefits of the HelpSys
On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 08:47:34PM +0100, Andreas Jung wrote:
>
>
> --On 20. Dezember 2005 14:27:18 -0500 Paul Winkler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> >just to be clear, the stuff I'm talking about is ZMI user interface
> >docs, not programmer docs.
>
> I'll raise the question again: what ar
--On 20. Dezember 2005 14:27:18 -0500 Paul Winkler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
just to be clear, the stuff I'm talking about is ZMI user interface
docs, not programmer docs.
I'll raise the question again: what are the benefits of the HelpSys for a
Zope user? I just clicked through the HelpS
On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 08:13:18PM +0100, Andreas Jung wrote:
>
>
> --On 20. Dezember 2005 13:32:02 -0500 Paul Winkler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 01:24:32PM -0500, Paul Winkler wrote:
> >>Maybe if we don't want to bundle them, we could host them in a versioned
> >
--On 20. Dezember 2005 13:32:02 -0500 Paul Winkler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 01:24:32PM -0500, Paul Winkler wrote:
Maybe if we don't want to bundle them, we could host them in a versioned
hierarchy on zope.org, like the way old versions of Python docs are
always ava
On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 01:24:32PM -0500, Paul Winkler wrote:
> Maybe if we don't want to bundle them, we could host them in a versioned
> hierarchy on zope.org, like the way old versions of Python docs are
> always available on python.org.
... which, duh, doesn't handle help for third-party pro
On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 12:27:41PM -0500, Chris McDonough wrote:
> I agree it would be helpful to have the
> info that's currently in the helpsystem for builtin Zope products be
> available somewhere else, though.
I'm OK in principle with moving this stuff "somewhere else",
and with properly d
On Dec 20, 2005, at 12:38 PM, Andreas Jung wrote:
Speaking of eggs, could you please add this to the 2.10 wiki? :-)
Done...
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--On 20. Dezember 2005 12:27:41 -0500 Chris McDonough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
In Zope 2.10 , Products packaged as Python Eggs will need either to drop
support for helpsys stuff or the helpsys stuff will need to be revamped
support files living in zipfiles. The former sounds saner to me
On Dec 20, 2005, at 10:36 AM, Paul Winkler wrote:
- HelpSys - from a programmers view pretty much useless and not very
helpful. I consider to replace it with something more useful
(not sure
we can re-use apidoc from Zope 3 in some way, perhaps the inclusion
of Dieter's Docfinder might
On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 07:52:02AM +0100, Andreas Jung wrote:
> Hi,
>
> for next release we plan to replace several parts with the corresponding
> components from Zope 3 (e.g. ZPT??). Philipp is working on a proposal on
> that issue. In addition I would like to get rid of some old stuff that is
On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 09:43:18AM +0100, Lennart Regebro wrote:
| +0 on Gadfly, I have no opinion there.
| +1 on all else.
I have proposed using sqlite/ZSQLiteDA in the past which is more like
a real database, but still embeded, but people didn't like much the
idea.
--
Sidnei da Silva
Enfold Sy
+1 on all.
On Dec 20, 2005, at 1:52 AM, Andreas Jung wrote:
Hi,
for next release we plan to replace several parts with the
corresponding components from Zope 3 (e.g. ZPT´). Philipp is
working on a proposal on that issue. In addition I would like to
get rid of some old stuff that is no lo
On 20 Dec 2005, at 06:52, Andreas Jung wrote:
Hi,
for next release we plan to replace several parts with the
corresponding components from Zope 3 (e.g. ZPT´). Philipp is
working on a proposal on that issue. In addition I would like to
get rid of some old stuff that is no longer maintaine
+1 on all of them
On Tue, December 20, 2005 07:52, Andreas Jung wrote:
> Hi,
>
> for next release we plan to replace several parts with the corresponding
> components from Zope 3 (e.g. ZPT´). Philipp is working on a proposal on
> that issue. In addition I would like to get rid of some old stuff t
On 12/20/05, Andreas Jung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> for next release we plan to replace several parts with the corresponding
> components from Zope 3 (e.g. ZPT´). Philipp is working on a proposal on
> that issue. In addition I would like to get rid of some old stuff that is
> no longer m
+1 on the lot if you are looking for votes.
On Tue, 20 Dec 2005, Andreas Jung wrote:
> Hi,
>
> for next release we plan to replace several parts with the corresponding
> components from Zope 3 (e.g. ZPT´). Philipp is working on a proposal on
> that issue. In addition I would like to get ri
Hi,
for next release we plan to replace several parts with the corresponding
components from Zope 3 (e.g. ZPT´). Philipp is working on a proposal on
that issue. In addition I would like to get rid of some old stuff that is
no longer maintained and buggy:
- ZopeTutorial (could be ripped off
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