Hi Tom, thanks for working on this. I took a quick look, looks great.
Two issues: the fonts are too small (cf our competition's sites), and
the download menu appears behind everything else in firefox 1.5 on
gnu/linux.
Thanks again! Very nice.
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Doing nothing means that we are stuck with a broken and unmaintained Plone
1 site as our public face for awhile longer. I don't think any of us
really want that.
I piggyback on Geoff's insightful post and say the same thing about
Zwiki. It's bad marketing for the project I'm trying to grow h
I'd like to invite you to join the effort - but I don't want to think
about forking zope.org and i immediately loose interest when you say plone.
You are maintaining a plone site right now. Wouldn't you rather maintain
a supported version ?
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Geoff Davis phds.org> writes:
> Zope Corp owns the "Zope" trademark and the copyright to the content of
> zope.org.
I haven't heard that before. Did the writers and commenters make such a binding
agreement ? Did the product authors ? Manuals and logo, maybe. Is this really a
problem ?
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Does anyone share my point of view the collector overview page should
state the requirements explicitely?
If they must be so demanding, then yes, very much so.
Also you raised this just where I'd expect to see it.
Thanks,
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Well since you ask..
I fear that they sound like the usual style of A. Jung's School of Hard
Knocks For Newbies. No offense intended Andreas.
Those are valuable goals but we should pursue them in a way that does not
drive away even one would-be contributor. I've found myself in that
category
Tom, that looks just great here (firefox 1.0.5.6, ubuntu dapper).
While there I clicked on your Heavy Metal Timeline and found it very
interesting.
Thanks!
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Jim Fulton wrote:
> While I feel what I'm doing is still somewhat experimental, I'm happy to
write it down somewhere, if someone will tell me where. :)
How about
http://www.zope.org/DevHome/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ComponentArchitecture/FrontPage
-> Development process -> ChangeLogs
or just
Chris Withers wrote:
It'd be ral nice to bring the Zope Book back into one place under
the zope.org banner somewhere...
+1!
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Hi Martijn, thanks for your response. I'm replying on-list -
Martijn Faassen wrote:
Jim's answer about brittle mess on the mailing list makes it clear.
It makes his thinking clear, yes. I'm not clear on why he thinks that
way. I would think: a zope.org that's so fragile it can't be touched by
Jim Fulton wrote:
Having said that, I said that I would be willing to work with someone
familiar with the zope.org software yo update ZWiki. No one has stepped
forward yet. I wonder why.
Er.. I'd guess because: that was less than an hour ago; I heard you talk
about apache work, not a zwiki up
Jim Fulton wrote:
That was yesterday:
"Because zope.org is a brittle mess and I don't want to take a chance of making
in worse. If someone who feels that they have some grasp on that software
wants to help me, I'd be willing to try. "
Perhaps you took so much offense at the first part of wha
Seriously though, if all that is desired is a microsite, all we need to do
is setup a zwiki, point zwiki.zope.org to it. I believe Simon will do that?
I'd rather have zope.org/zope foundation own this - I don't want to be a
bottleneck. But this does sound like a good interim option to try.
I
Thanks Martijn, all. We made some good progress. For clarity, I heard no
arguments against me trying the below so right now I have this action and
will report any results here asap.
(11:01:29) sm: yes, some good progress
(11:01:40) sm: increased clarity & understanding of next steps anyway
(11
Hurrah! Great work all.
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Sure! I meant to be clearer. Practicing my citing/footnoting skills: since
it turns out that a zwiki upgrade on zope.org is not easy due to zope
version dependency[1], I'm now pursuing the suggestion of Andrew[2],
Lennart[3] and Michael[4] to harvest the wiki content off zope.org and host
it on
Simon Michael wrote:
wiki. I'll mirror it as-is on the joyful.com server, transferring the
wiki content by wget, export or whatever works, preserving things like
Transferring the objects by ZSyncer would be the most efficient way to do
this by far, I think. We would need to get (a zop
Or, could I get import/export or manage permissions permission at
http://www.zope.org/DevHome/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ComponentArchitecture ?
I have ZMI access but can't export.
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An upgraded copy of the Zope 3 wiki is now live:
http://zope3.zwiki.org
Please check it out and report any problems. Pretty much everything should
be intact. Note: 1. no special skinning or styling has been done - a topic
for later - and 2. it is slow, slower than it should be, I'll have to
and 2. it is slow, slower than it should be, I'll
have to investigate, but later.
Better now! I had removed some necessary catalog fields.
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Kevin - whether this is the final design or not - beautiful. :) Thanks for
doing this.
My 2c - as a consumer of zope docs, I'd be happy to see this very classy
water-motif top bar used across a bunch of zope foundation & zope.org
microsites. Also I like very much that you've kept the body font
Sorry, should have changed the subject.
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I dumped some process notes at http://zwiki.org/Zope3WikiMove .
Here are some questions I had about the configuration at zope3.zwiki.org :
- default markup ?
Structured Text will remain the default unless there is a consensus to
promote rst or something else for this wiki.
- show subtopics
Ok, I went ahead and did that. Chat me (sm) on #zope-web if you see any
trouble.
simon wrote:
> As part of zope.org cleanup, this wiki has been moved to a more
up-to-date server, currently: http://zope3.zwiki.org . The old one has been
made read-only and may go away soon. Please use the new on
Here are some questions I had about the configuration at zope3.zwiki.org :
Another:
- rating stars, on or off ?
I think any kind of user rating data is a good idea and might be put to
good use in unexpected ways later, so these are enabled. On the other hand,
arguably we won't get a useful q
Thanks Fred, Kevin. A quick comment on subtopics -
Showing all the subtopics makes the home page rather overwhelming. I
Right now it is, I agree. I'll just note some alternatives:
- sometimes that's just a sign that the hierarchy needs rearranging. For
example those children could be moved u
Could we point wiki.zope.org to 66.179.181.88 ? (not sure of the
technical term - CNAME ?)
I'd like to move the "WikiCentral" (http://zope.org/Wikis) wiki there,
and start updating its list of zope.org wikis.
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OMG, there's quite a lot of wikis under /Wikis. They will all be moved
too, and the old ones made read only if everything looks good. This
isn't going to happen right away, but I want to give everyone some warning.
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Also, down the road a little bit, but something we could be thinking
about: if we could redirect all these wiki pages to their new location
as Michael H. suggested, I think that would be good - better than me
adding status messages all over the place.
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Yes - Kevin, I just prepended the standard docutils stylesheet to your
stylesheet.css. I like to keep it intact and add any overrides at the
bottom, so we can easily replace it with docutils' latest.
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FYI: wiki.zope.org/zope3 now works as an alternative url for zope3.zwiki.org.
Thinking about efficient canonical urls - easy to type, spell, remember,
maintain - for the wikis (about 70 of them!), we could go with
1. wiki.zope.org/WIKIID
2. WIKIID.wiki.zope.org
3. WIKIID.zopewiki.org (for ex
.. 2 and 3 autocomplete in firefox much quicker ..
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I agree with you (on both points), even though 1 requires more typing. We
want to have common authentication, cookies etc. across these wikis.
So let's consider zope3.zwiki.org deprecated, I'll make it redirect to
wiki.zope.org/zope3.
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Is it a good idea to rename http://zopewiki.org to http://wiki.zope.org/zope2 ?
(Whether to merge zope 2 and zope 3 wikis is a separate issue, personally I
think they are better separate for the moment.)
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Thanks! I forgot to mention all those who helped, such as Jim (access),
Chris (dns), Michael (zope.org config), and everyone who gave feedback.
I'm not sure why the announcement didn't show up here.. reposting.
Simon Michael wrote:
> Zopistas,
>
> all wikis that were un
Chris Withers wrote:
Is it going to move to the great new style that's been used for the Zope
3 wiki?
Chris - I have several thoughts on that which I wanted to air -
I took some time to get used to the new skin. I like it a lot - great work
Kevin (and Tom).
(In fact I'd like to include a ge
But I think we definitely need some way to differentiate them.
Actually, just a distinctive logo for each of the zope2 and zope3 wikis,
and a generic look for the rest, might be the thing.
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Another source of ideas for wiki skin:
http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/CmsRequirementsSimon Michael wrote:
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cc'ing from zope list:
PS, here's a word of warning to FAQ writers from my own experience, a
trap to avoid:
You start writing answers for questions - it's so easy and tempting -
later you find better answers out on the web, even elsewhere in the
same wiki, but now you have a big, verbose body
Ok, I have simplified the redirect message.
I promised d2m I would post apache rewrite rules here and request
installation by whoever has that access. I haven't spent the time to figure
them out yet. I'd like to redirect each page in each old wiki to the
corresponding page in the new location
Does that mean apache rewrite rules are out ? Any idea how if the goal
(redirect all old pages corresponding new pages) is achievable ?
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Michael Haubenwallner wrote:
Redirection is effective now.
and seems to be working just right. Thanks a lot!
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Hi Christian, all
Zwiki always tried to keep login effort to a minimum; until now, the
lightweight optional username cookie has been enough. (It's no longer
optional on wiki.zope.org of course.)
There has been talk of moving up to the next level, ie some kind of real
authentication and membe
Good day all.. I have turned off the automatic subtopic links which used to
appear below the main page content in the zope3 wiki. The wiki content was
and is being created to work without them so I think it's better without
them, even if it means a little more manual labour maintaining links.
PS note the page hierarchy is still there, it can be seen above the page
title and when you click "all pages in this wiki", and it is a useful tool
to divide & conquer and organize our content.
This will happen mostly automatically as you create pages. When you want to
clean up or reorganize,
Could I have the wiki.zope.org MX record pointed to mail.joyful.com ? This
will allow me to email things to the wikis again.
Thanks
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Hi all. I apologise for today's outage of wiki.zope.org and zwiki.org .
Things were working ok until about lunchtime.. I and others even were doing
a bunch of maintenance. Around noon I packed the zodb (from 3 -> 2G). This
afternoon I notice zope down and I can't start the zeo client with either
Jim Fulton wrote:
'(cApp.ApplicationManager\nApplicationManager\nq\x$
Jim, thanks for the tips. I'm sorry, I see now the above was truncated. For
the record a more complete error is below.
fstest.py reported no problems and today I found ZODB/fsrecover.py (not in
SOFTWARE_HOME/bin), which p
Did you try the .old file left by the pack?
I did; it showed the same error. I agree, I don't think pack caused any
trouble.
I can keep the problem Data.fs around for a little longer, if there's any
other diagnostics that would be interesting to try let me know.
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Ok, thanks. Perhaps the problem arose from being too near this VPS's disk
quota.
I pack weekly, I'm going to try moving the wikis into a separate storage to
give me more control.
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The joyful.com/zwiki.org/wiki.zope.org server was down for 19 hours due to
some insane apache/zope/qmail/curl deadlock that I couldn't figure out.
Service has been restored and plans for better uptime are being hatched.
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Sorry folks. I've had more trouble bringing my zope up after a restart, and
I'm out of time. Currently it looks like it is serving requests.. just none
of mine.. or extremely slowly. This could be a routine scalability issue
due to increased traffic or newly exposed expensive links maxing out my
Seems to be back to normal now.
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An update on the wiki.zope.org/*.zwiki.org server for 2007/3/7:
Uptime troubles and investigations continue, and there have been
significant outages as I haven't always been able to respond
quickly. Thanks for your patience; we are making progress.
- Yesterday, an automated zope restart failed b
Hi all,
Fred Drake made a nice, very crisp style for the ZPT wiki, and I've
installed it as the default for the zope wikis (the zope3 wiki's style is
as before). See what you think.
I simplified and ramcached the index at http://wiki.zope.org and added a
last edit date. Aside from the big tw
Zopistas - I'm pleased to announce that wiki.zope.org has moved to a more
powerful server. You should now or very soon see wiki.zope.org pointing to
194.109.109.175. This is also the machine hosting foundation.zope.org,
kindly provided by amaze.nl.
We are in shake-down mode - all wikis should
Grok wiki is ready to use !
http://wiki.zope.org/grok
Keeping grok in the zope3 wiki is another option. Baijum has manage access
and I'll add it for anyone else necessary, so you can do what's needed.
Also wiki.zope.org is now back online, there was a network issue at the
server.
Cheers
-
Unfortunately, wiki.zope.org has been unreachable for more than 24 hours
now. This is embarassing in conversations like this:
(20:16:57) jmesquita: Ok, another thing I will have to look at and find
more information. There is nothing about that on the book either
(20:17:29) *sm:* check out wiki
PS to be clear - wiki.zope.org has been running much better on the Amaze
server than it did on mine. Perhaps we can get it added to the Amaze
monitoring/quick-response system ? That would be awesome.
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It's back up now.
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wiki.zope.org's zope server, at least, should have those startup scripts
already. Pretty sure I saw it start up after the last server outage.
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Good day all.. I noticed from irc there are some unicode errors still
occuring on the zope 3 wiki. This is probably related to
http://zwiki.org/1330 , I think I forgot to install the latest fixes on
wiki.zope.org after testing them. I'm about to do that. I plan to also
push the new history impl
Done. There shouldn't be any unicode errors when browsing wiki.zope.org
now, if you find any please let me know. History can be seen in the
usual way, by clicking the last edited time or via the y or d access
keys. As a bonus, page rendering is now a little faster.
Thanks Jens & all for taking care of this. Indeed I had fallen off the
zope-web list, resubscribed now.
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Coincidentally I've just been seeing the same problem on my own wiki
server. We might be exceeding some memory threshold due to new bot
activity, or just normal wiki growth. As a quick fix, I've reduced
wiki.zope.org's threads from 4 to 3.
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I wonder what we could do about that. I'm on #zope poking it with a
stick, if anyone wants to brainstorm ?
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I did this:
- investigated a little - we are running three zope servers in a xen
instance with 512M ram, debian stable, apache 2.2.3-4. The wikis are
running zope 2.10.3
- a 14-day pack of wiki.zope.org (3G -> 300M)
- installed a cron task to check wiki.zope.org zope size every minute
and resta
There is an apache, but zope was listening on all ports. Michael
> showed me how to restrict it to 127.0.0.1, thanks guys.
-Simon
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new.zope.org is looking good. Stimulated by the pending z3 release I was
thinking about using the styles to give the z3 wiki a facelift, to
create more coherency, similar to djangoproject.org where everything is
integrated under a consistent skin.
Then I realised it's a plone site, so you could
By "move the wiki in" I mean cut the zope3 wiki folder from
wiki.zope.org and paste it somewhere inside the n.z.o plone instance.
(Or rather, since they are separate machines, use zsyncer or
export/import.) It will use the plone skin then.
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Oh. That seems a pity, with Zope 3.4 just out; a site facelift would
help. Would the designer care to comment ?
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Speaking of various microsites.. it would be good to have a really
attractive, complete, well-publicised planet (blog aggregator) for the
zope world. Michael Haubenwallner currently maintains
http://planetzope.org , and the content is also displayed at
http://planet.zope.org .
Michael, one thi
Dear all.. I recently tweaked the spam filter for all wiki.zope.org wikis to
stop a spambot. But, I did it wrong and
managed to block some ordinary edits and comments. Sorry about that, it's fixed
now.
Cheers,
-Simon
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Hi Christian.. ok, deleted. Thanks.
-Simon
On Sep 15, 2009, at 1:53 AM, Christian Theune wrote:
> Hi,
>
> can you delete that thing? It's neither called framework nor is there
> any relevant information.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Christian
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access control. :-/
Since there is no member management software in place to allow you to
self-register, to get a login you'll need to either
- ask an admin to make one for you. The current wiki.zope.org admin
users are: Simon Michael, Andreas Jung, Baiju Muthukadan, Sasch
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