find a distribution for 'zc.zope3recipes==0.6b1'.
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Any objections?
This would basically involve retiring the zope3-dev list and moving
zope3 developers to the zope-dev list.
+1.
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(like maybe generating buildout.cfg files, or virtualenv derivatves).
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Martijn Faassen wrote:
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[snip]
Total effort involved in maintaining the gated community then becomes
keeping a set of tarballs available at some web-downloadable location,
and re-running the script
, with various
justification. If you want to guarantee that somebody will be
able to recreate the known environment, even in the face of missing
distributions, you have to mirror the blessed distributions.
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Martijn Faassen wrote:
Hey,
Tres Seaver wrote:
[snip]
I think that replacing 'index_url' with a gated community of packages
is the only path to sanity here: the contract of the Cheeseshop (share
new releases of all packages with everyone ASAP
the
meta-egg actually makes that problem worse.
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Hey,
On 9/27/07, Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sep 26, 2007, at 8:26 PM, Tres Seaver wrote:
[snip]
Including a file other
that README in the root requires extra effort that I don't want to
require -- writing
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I don't like it either. I thought we resolved this though so I'm not
sure why we're discussing this. CHANGES.txt in the root dir it is,
right?
- -1. I argued
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Anybody running against the Cheeseshop today is *more* on the bleeding
edge than a sysadmin whose production boxes are running 'sid': Debian
has cultural constraits, even for that distro, which are vastly more
restricted than
makes it too easy to cut a premature / broken release;
such mistakes are going to damange our story if we don't get out ahead
of them.
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an egg. The
top-level README.txt should be boilerplate, and point to those files
(the setup.py process can then stitch them all todgether).
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the advantage that it causes
the files to be included in eggs as well as source distributions.
Not having those files available after installing is a complete
non-starter for me.
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the release
process transfers pain / cost to everyone downstream.
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work too.
I prefer neither, as I don't want to encourage people to make releases
without doing the bookkeeping required to get the versions right.
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I'd rather have no version number at all.
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is orders of magnitude bigger than
any value derived from convenience in installing the 'develop' egg.
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name).
sound reasonable to me. We then explain that if you call IFoo directly,
IFoo.adapt is called. These could then also be extended to support named
adapter lookup and such.
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Thing (a least surprise violation, if nothing else).
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working set discussion
started a while ago)
Tres Seaver wrote:
This is the known good problem. I'm pretty convinced that adding some
kind of PyPI subset, where gardeners for a given package set keep
the list of packages / versions known to work well together, is the only
way out of this issue
-grained reuse.
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of that to a couple of macro definitions, though.
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or
not. That said, we can't drop Python 2.4 support until
... we've made sure Zope 2 runs on Python 2.5...
How are you getting ExtensionClass working? Last I looked, the C
extension didn't compile on 2.5.
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in SVN...
I guess I don't get the usecase for maintaining known good
dependencies outside of setup.py (for the meta egg).
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Philipp von Weitershausen wrote:
On 4 Sep 2007, at 01:21 , Tres Seaver wrote:
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote:
Wichert Akkerman wrote:
The only problem is that distributing grok-0.11.cfg is a bit
tedious.
How about if buildout could get
/ IronPython (which
are alreday stable, and run on platforms we don't yet support).
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is already documented; we should not need to expend any
significant effort maintaining it.
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Christian Theune wrote:
Am Mittwoch, den 22.08.2007, 16:15 -0400 schrieb Tres Seaver:
I eventually came to the conclusion that our original conclusion was
sound, but that we should only introduce backward incompatibilities
when the need
to tag them as problematic).
Releasing a software package is a contract which implies more than
flavor of the week status, at least in lots of circles.
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, raising an
exception is policy; they shouldn't be mixed here. Let the caller
raise an exception if that is appropriate
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to see it used as follows::
errors = zope.schema.validate(obj, IMySchema)
if not errors:
print 'OK
else:
print 'Errors: \n%s' % '\n'.join([str(x) for x in errors])
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expecting to track day-to-day development) is a disaster.
Dumping revision-stamped (unreleased) eggs into a directory used by
unsuspecting users is a recipe for bringing *all* development to a
screeching halt.
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via a named utility / adapter; then packages which supply a namespace
are not dependencies at all.
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http://svn.zope.org/Zope/?rev=75066view=rev
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, that their location (site-packages) isn't ideal...
System pythons be damned.
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package-based development.
If zopeproject makes it obvious where to put filesystem pages, people
will use them, probably.
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Philipp von Weitershausen wrote:
Tres Seaver wrote:
Point me at an existing source release, and I'll be happy to generate
corresponding windows eggs.
I made windows eggs for the latest version of zope.interface that's in
pypi.
Great. So we
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Gary Poster wrote:
On Jul 13, 2007, at 11:30 AM, Jim Fulton wrote:
On Jul 13, 2007, at 11:07 AM, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote:
Tres Seaver wrote:
Doing proper release management can't reeally be called a waste
of time
(that would include
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shiny features.
Note that the flavor-of-the-month is actually WSGI now, rather than
Tsisted (which uses the WSGI support): see Philipp's zope on a paste
demo, for instance.
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Benji York wrote:
Tres Seaver wrote:
[1] This means *never* doing 'svn mv' or 'svn remove' on such a tag,
once announced. No exceptions, period, even for brown bags.
I can see that rule applying to eggs, but I'm not sure why we need
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opportunistically
(as modules get touched anyway) would be welcome gardening of the
codebase.
- -1. Such cosmetic cleanup tends to make backporting patches harder, for
very little win.
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and been
over all the z3 doco, it would be great if there was a simple howto on
setting up a thread that would have the usual access to various
components.
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the Zope servvice:
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. If this isn't already the
default behavior, then I'd like syntax for spelling it.
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Jim Fulton wrote:
On May 31, 2007, at 10:58 AM, Tres Seaver wrote:
I'd rather have the dot, e.g. foo 2.* = 2.5, just for clarity:
- It makes the intent clearer (that you want any version in the
two dot release line).
- It disambiguates
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Marius Gedminas wrote:
On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 12:21:42PM -0400, Tres Seaver wrote:
Reinoud van Leeuwen wrote:
On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 10:39:22AM -0400, Fred Drake wrote:
As a developer it might be a good idea to have different installed pythons
environment, plus a mess of symlinks.
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+1 for avoiding gratuitous version-specific dependencies in library
eggs; unless there is a known incompatibility, eggs should specify
their dependencies by name.
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Christian Theune wrote:
Hi,
Am Donnerstag, den 03.05.2007, 13:18 -0400 schrieb Tres Seaver:
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Fred Drake wrote:
On 5/3/07, Christian Theune [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I started moving packages
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Martijn Faassen wrote:
Tres Seaver wrote:
[snip]
One example of such an implementation would be an optional, lxml-based
directive which uses the native structure of the ZCML file and XPath.
E.g. to include only adapters from a package
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Martijn Faassen wrote:
Hello,
Tres Seaver wrote:
David Pratt wrote:
On the basis that eggs spell out dependencies, I am thinking the
inclusion of packages and their dependencies should be enough to dictate
the sequence of inclusion
AT-based code is like Napoleon before Moscow: thigh deep
in freezing mud.
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Tres Seaver wrote:
Rocky Burt wrote:
On Wed, 2007-10-01 at 11:09 -0500, Tres Seaver wrote:
While I am vehemently opposed to code generation per se, one alternative
which I think is important is to generate stuff *at runtime* from
artifacts which
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restrictions, even for the
superuser)
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) to spply such transforms.
E.g.::
def renderTag(tag, **kw):
cleaner = querytUtility(IWidgetTagCleaner)
if cleaner is None:
kw = cleaner(kw)
...
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to the developer who checks out the
whole thing.
I know that distutils / setuptools complain if they find no 'README.txt
' next to setup.py: I ususally have a nearly empty one pointing down
to the real one.
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a_named = IFoo(context, name='named')
a_named.__class__.__name__, a_named.name
('FooAdapterNamed', 'named')
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to
look it up against *two* objects (like a view).
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to deal with this as
it's the default).
Form edit still potentially confusing as encoding= bit disappears, but
at least suggestion to user is not made that information *presented* in
a textarea is in a particular encoding specified in the encoding= bit.
Tres Seaver proposal (speculation
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*can't* pass a Unicode string to the libxml2 *at all* , unless you want
a core dump. The API requires that you pass it strings encoded as UTF8.
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Andreas Jung wrote:
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wrote:
Dieter Maurer wrote:
A halfway intelligent parser would
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Rocky Burt wrote:
On Wed, 2007-10-01 at 11:09 -0500, Tres Seaver wrote:
While I am vehemently opposed to code generation per se, one alternative
which I think is important is to generate stuff *at runtime* from
artifacts which are more
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http://wanderingbarque.com/nonintersecting/2006/11/15/
I think that an add-on product which provided a SOAP server,
implementing one of the competing semantics, could
a remote host.
http://plope.com/software/supervisor/
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. Everybody
wants benchmarks that apply across applications, but that is a pipe dream.
OTOH, it should be feasible to come up with a reasonable set of tests that
can be used to compare servers.
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Jim Fulton wrote:
Stephan Richter wrote:
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I agree with your assessment. It is extremely difficult to figure out
which
WSGI server fulfills Zope's
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Chris Withers wrote:
Tres Seaver wrote:
We were discussion a (notional) value adapter, whose factory would
have the contract of returning an object of a specific concrete type,
rather than on implementing an interface.
Right, but the CA
for the
index. In many cases, having 'None' as the value for an attribute is
*not* the same thing as not having the attribute at all -- I'll agree
with you that objects who don't have the attribute should not
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a little curry powder:
map = {}
for name in 'foo', 'bar', 'baz':
... def whoami(name=name):
... return name
... map[name] = whoami
...
map['foo']()
'foo'
map['bar']()
'bar'
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