On 9/12/06, Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
FWIW, I use the following approach:
- Early in the process, I mark every real reproducable bug as blocking.
In this last go around, this included a number of bugs that had been
around for months or years.
- Later in the process I downgraded
Hi there,
Thanks for doing this work, Christian. I'm in favor of going for Zope
3.4 on a timely basis.
Concerning the delay of Zope 3.3, I think we should consider whether
we're not too perfectionistic.
On the one hand core developers seem to be happy to use the trunk for
development
On 9/12/06, Martijn Faassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What about a policy where we fix bugs until the release date, and then
on the release date, we actually release? Any bugs that are still in it
are going to go with it.
I totally agree. My feeling is that the x.x.0 release this time will
be
On Sep 12, 2006, at 5:25 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote:
Hi there,
Thanks for doing this work, Christian. I'm in favor of going for
Zope 3.4 on a timely basis.
Concerning the delay of Zope 3.3, I think we should consider
whether we're not too perfectionistic.
On the one hand core
On Sep 12, 2006, at 8:40 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote:
Jim Fulton wrote:
On Sep 12, 2006, at 5:25 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote:
[snip]
Anyway, if the Gnome project can do time-based releases *on the
date* we should be able to do it too.
Maybe they have more volunteers.
Yes. They also have a
Hi,
Jim Fulton wrote:
On Sep 12, 2006, at 8:40 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote:
Jim Fulton wrote:
On Sep 12, 2006, at 5:25 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote:
[snip]
Anyway, if the Gnome project can do time-based releases *on the
date* we should be able to do it too.
Maybe they have more volunteers.
On Sep 12, 2006, at 8:58 AM, Christian Theune wrote:
...
Ack. One thing that bothers me (and it's totally possible that I'm
missing some documentation from zope.org) is that the overall process
isn't well documented, so it's hard for me (and probably other people)
to jump in and do stuff.
Um.
Jim Fulton wrote:
On Sep 12, 2006, at 8:40 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote:
[snip]
One problem we have is getting things to be tested. It hardly
motivates people to test for and report bugs if their reports
don't affect he release. I think we have a serious problem that
needs to be addressed. I
Hi,
Jim Fulton wrote:
On Sep 12, 2006, at 8:58 AM, Christian Theune wrote:
...
Ack. One thing that bothers me (and it's totally possible that I'm
missing some documentation from zope.org) is that the overall process
isn't well documented, so it's hard for me (and probably other people)
to
On Sep 12, 2006, at 8:57 AM, Jim Fulton wrote:
I still think our quality standards for a release have been too
high. Getting people to fix more bugs is good, sure, but perhaps
we should separate this at least somewhat from the release itself.
Sorry, I agree very much. I'd be willing
On Sep 12, 2006, at 9:17 AM, Christian Theune wrote:
Then your idea of perfection and mine are far apart. Letting bugs
languish for months or even years is not acceptable. Ignoreing bugs
reported during beta testing, when we get too little testing to begin
with is unacceptable.
I agree on
On Sep 12, 2006, at 9:50 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote:
Jim Fulton wrote:
On Sep 12, 2006, at 8:40 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote:
[snip]
One problem we have is getting things to be tested. It hardly
motivates people to test for and report bugs if their reports
don't affect he release. I think we
Jim Fulton wrote:
Sometimes it feels to me that when Stephan or you prioritize a bug that
you have a rough understanding of the solution,
You are mistaken. Stephan should speak up on his criteria, but I have
the impression that it is guilty until proven innocent. That is, I
think he marks
On Sep 12, 2006, at 9:53 AM, Christian Theune wrote:
Hi,
Jim Fulton wrote:
On Sep 12, 2006, at 8:58 AM, Christian Theune wrote:
...
Ack. One thing that bothers me (and it's totally possible that I'm
missing some documentation from zope.org) is that the overall
process
isn't well
On Sep 12, 2006, at 10:33 AM, Christian Theune wrote:
- I think we want a release manager.
You're a genius! I'll just snap my fingers.
What happened after you snapped? :)
You became the release manager. Welcome aboard!
Does the application of irony indicate that we (I) should get over
Hi,
Jim Fulton wrote:
On Sep 12, 2006, at 10:33 AM, Christian Theune wrote:
- I think we want a release manager.
You're a genius! I'll just snap my fingers.
What happened after you snapped? :)
You became the release manager. Welcome aboard!
Can I make you my assistant? Do I get free
Hey,
Jim Fulton wrote:
[snip]
I would go further. I would not unfreeze the trunk until until we've
cleaned up all open bugs, either by fixing them or rejecting them.
-1
Why, do you think we should allow old bugs to languish forever?
I think this would be a bad thing to do after every
On Tuesday 12 September 2006 10:13, Jim Fulton wrote:
Sometimes it feels to me that when Stephan or you prioritize a bug
that
you have a rough understanding of the solution,
You are mistaken. Stephan should speak up on his criteria, but I
have the impression that it is guilty until
On Sep 12, 2006, at 10:50 AM, Christian Theune wrote:
Hi,
Jim Fulton wrote:
On Sep 12, 2006, at 10:33 AM, Christian Theune wrote:
- I think we want a release manager.
You're a genius! I'll just snap my fingers.
What happened after you snapped? :)
You became the release manager.
Jim Fulton wrote:
On Sep 12, 2006, at 10:50 AM, Christian Theune wrote:
Jim Fulton wrote:
On Sep 12, 2006, at 10:33 AM, Christian Theune wrote:
- I think we want a release manager.
You're a genius! I'll just snap my fingers.
What happened after you snapped? :)
You became the release
Martijn Faassen wrote at 2006-9-12 11:25 +0200:
...
On the one hand core developers seem to be happy to use the trunk for
development projects, and on the other hand we demand a lot of work
doing bugfixes in a release, up to the point where we delay the release
itself.
core developers
On Sep 12, 2006, at 1:24 PM, Christian Theune wrote:
Jim Fulton wrote:
On Sep 12, 2006, at 10:50 AM, Christian Theune wrote:
Jim Fulton wrote:
On Sep 12, 2006, at 10:33 AM, Christian Theune wrote:
- I think we want a release manager.
You're a genius! I'll just snap my fingers.
What
Hi there,
Jim Fulton wrote:
I know. So Martijn and I both stepped forward a small bit on this. So we
need some conflict resolution. :)
Let Martijn do 3.3.1. Why don't you do 3.4.
Actually dividing that job up to different people, maybe on a kind of
rotation, sounds like a good plan. What do
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