On Friday 03 February 2006 15:11, Jeff Shell wrote:
I'm trying to think of other examples where people have produced a new
brand name by adding a version number. MacOS X? PlayStation2? I'm
I agree. Apple was able to get the message out that Mac OS X = Mac OS
10 = A totally different
On Fri, 2006-02-03 at 11:54 +0100, Lennart Regebro wrote:
On the name change idea, I think it's just gonna make things more confused.
What, there is now Zope 2, Zope 3 AND Zope Zingo?
I think the idea was Zope 3.2 Zingo, Zope 3.4 Bingo, not Zope Zingo :)
This way it would be clear it is
Alen Stanisic wrote:
On Fri, 2006-02-03 at 11:54 +0100, Lennart Regebro wrote:
On the name change idea, I think it's just gonna make things more confused.
What, there is now Zope 2, Zope 3 AND Zope Zingo?
I think the idea was Zope 3.2 Zingo, Zope 3.4 Bingo, not Zope Zingo :)
This way it
On 2/3/06, Alen Stanisic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think the idea was Zope 3.2 Zingo, Zope 3.4 Bingo, not Zope Zingo :)
Well, all we do then is making funny release code names. That's not
clarifying the difference between Zope 2 and Zope 3 at all...
This way it would be clear it is Zope 3.
Does this make sense? It's only a small rebrand (and the Zope3 stays
intact) and an assembly of components that already exist. Basically,
you can use this occasion as a coming out party... Zope3 is here, and
we're for real.
YESSS! Zope3 - imho - has a really big marketing Problem at the
On 2/3/06, Tonico Strasser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Alen Stanisic wrote:
On Fri, 2006-02-03 at 11:54 +0100, Lennart Regebro wrote:
On the name change idea, I think it's just gonna make things more confused.
What, there is now Zope 2, Zope 3 AND Zope Zingo?
I think the idea was Zope
Lennart Regebro [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On 2/2/06, Stephan Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My sense from the sprint is that developers here use Zope 3 on its technical
merits and not its marketing ones.
Which is why we should market those strengths better.
On the name change idea,
Lennart Regebro [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On 2/3/06, Alen Stanisic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think the idea was Zope 3.2 Zingo, Zope 3.4 Bingo, not Zope Zingo :)
Well, all we do then is making funny release code names. That's not
clarifying the difference between Zope 2 and Zope 3 at
On Fri, Feb 03, 2006 at 01:07:57PM +, Martin Aspeli wrote:
Max M [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Not calling it Zope would be a mistake, but how about adding a qualifier
to the name. Like microsoft did with Windows NT
I think that's what the suggestion is all about.
eg. Zope DR aka
On 2/3/06, Reinoud van Leeuwen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, Feb 03, 2006 at 01:07:57PM +, Martin Aspeli wrote:
Zope-TNG (The Next Generation) springs up my mind. And it is a good
description of what it is really about.
The problem with TNG is how will you call the rewrite of Zope 3 ?
Lennart Regebro [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
But having a name that signifies that there is something a little more than
a
new major-version release going on here would go a long way in giving people
something to fix their minds on.
Not if that name changes with every release, becuase
Not if that name changes with every release, becuase then people will
see it as a release code name, because that's what it will be.
Absolutely - we seem to be on the same page. :)
The branding needs to be consistent and carried forward, until such time we
refactor the whole thing
Martin Aspeli wrote:
Lennart Regebro [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
But having a name that signifies that there is something a little more than a
new major-version release going on here would go a long way in giving people
something to fix their minds on.
Not if that name changes with
Reinoud van Leeuwen reinoud.v at n.leeuwen.net writes:
On Fri, Feb 03, 2006 at 01:07:57PM +, Martin Aspeli wrote:
Max M maxm at ... writes:
Not calling it Zope would be a mistake, but how about adding a qualifier
to the name. Like microsoft did with Windows NT
I think
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with an appropriate branding (e.g. a logo derived from the Zope logo
and a new
website to drum up excitement and get people started quickly). Both the
Zope
and 3 parts should stay in the picture.
Klaus Bremer wrote:
Giving zope 3 an own website has the problem that some www.zope3.tlds
are already owned by others.
Resolving that problem would be a good task for the Foundation.
BTW: zope3.org and zope3.com are owned by Zope Corp. and I would assume
are being transfered to the
Florent Guillaume wrote:
Martin Aspeli wrote:
Zope 3.2 Zalza
(how many more lame names can we come up with?)
Zope 3 / Rebirth is the lame name I'd vote for :)
Or Zope 3 / Renaissance, if french names are still trendy.
Florent
--
Florent Guillaume, Nuxeo (Paris, France) Director of RD
On Fri, Feb 03 17:24, Encolpe Degoute [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Zope 3 / Revolution ?
well, how about Zope3, Reloaded for all the matrix fans out there? :)
but seriously, imho an additional name part can add something, but it's
by far not as important as a rather impressive web-site. i've
Andreas Zeidler wrote:
On Fri, Feb 03 17:24, Encolpe Degoute [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Zope 3 / Revolution ?
well, how about Zope3, Reloaded for all the matrix fans out there? :)
The idea of release code names adds a little spice. Most people like
spices on their food, so why not on
(how many more lame names can we come up with?)Zope 3 / Rebirth is the lame name I'd vote for :)
Florent
Hm, Zope 3 / Renassaince sounds posh :-) and it's also a good
excercise in spelling :p (except for the French-speaking like
yourself)
Regards,
Miklós
-- Miklós
Jegenye 2001 Bt (Miklós Prisznyák) wrote:
(how many more lame names can we come up with?)
Zope 3 / Rebirth is the lame name I'd vote for :)
Florent
Hm, Zope 3 / Renassaince sounds posh :-) and it's also a good
excercise in spelling :p (except for the French-speaking like
On Friday 03 February 2006 05:38, Maik Ihde wrote:
So what can we do about it?
I think conducting interviews with people developing pure Zope 3 applications
and Five based applications would help. I can provide you with an initial
list of people, if you like.
Pull out a Website about Z3 in a
On Friday 03 February 2006 08:48, Jim Washington wrote:
The vision includes a new trademarked tagline (Invent the Future) and a
new logo incorporating the tagline.
http://www.vtnews.vt.edu/story.php?relyear=2006itemno=53
We could do something similar:
Zope 3: Excellence in Web Component
I vote for Joel as Omnipotent Message Autocrat. Man, this is the most
fun we've had around here in a while.
Joel, I agree a lot with your points. A whole lot. I'll add to your
list some other things, but that's a useless quibble. I also think the
OS X Tiger codename thing could pay off,
On 2/3/06, Graham Stratton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Lennart Regebro wrote:
Not if that name changes with every release, becuase then people will
see it as a release code name, because that's what it will be.
I agree. Personally I don't think this name change/extension is
necessary. We've
On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 10:16:56 -0800, Joel Moxley
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Zope 3, the Chuck Norris release. I like it. ;)
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On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:00:04 -, Stephan Richter
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Hi Joel,
I hope your app is season-ready. :-)
On Thursday 02 February 2006 11:50, Joel Moxley wrote:
Does this make sense? It's only a small rebrand (and the Zope3 stays
intact) and an assembly of components that
On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 16:50:30 -, Joel Moxley
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've followed the Guido blogs/discussion loosely. As a relative
newcomer, this is my first real experience with the Python community's
confusion of Zope2 and Zope3. I've seen on the list that people have
been
On Thursday 02 February 2006 15:07, Martin Aspeli wrote:
Those very
same Plone and Zope 2 developers will be more likely to push towards Zope
3 if they feel others are using it, are convinced it has a future, and are
convinced they will be able to collaborate with developers on unrelated
On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 08:50:30 -0800, Joel Moxley
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've followed the Guido blogs/discussion loosely. As a relative
newcomer, this is my first real experience with the Python community's
confusion of Zope2 and Zope3. I've seen on the list that people have
been
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