Thanks Craig. Noted.

On Wednesday, September 21, 2016, <craig.pr...@ch2m.com> wrote:

> You might want to look at the wording in 9.3.2.4 which deals with Flexible
> Coupling for Drops where it uses the term “drops to hose lines”.  So a
> line coming off a sprinkler system serving a hose line is referred to as a
> “drop”, not a riser.
>
>
>
> Also, for example, 9.3.5.5 speaking of lateral sway bracing uses the
> phrase “…and OTHER piping….”, therefore addressing piping in the system
> which does not fall within the definitions of Feed and Cross Mains and
> Branch lines which are the typical piping components of a sprinkler system.
> I would submit that a drop to a hose valve would fall under the “other
> piping” category.
>
>
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> *Subject:* Re: small hose connections [EXTERNAL]
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> You might also want to point out for the approximately 650 lurkers on the
> forum who may be confused that a riser is any vertical piping, regardless
> of the direction of water flow that isn't a drop, sprig up or arm over
> ending with a sprig or drop.
>
> On Wednesday, September 21, 2016, Parsley Consulting <
> parsleyconsult...@cox.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','parsleyconsult...@cox.net');>> wrote:
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> Cliff,
>     You've pointed out a conclusion on my part that was not in what Rocci
> posted.  He didn't say it was a part of a standpipe.  That was a
> supposition on my part.
>     If it were a part of a sprinkler system, such as a line feeding a hose
> valve in rack storage, the horizontal portions would not require bracing,
> in my perspective, as they simply aren't mains [longitudinal], and aren't
> branch lines [lateral].
>     Now, if they had an elevation change exceeding 3'-0", that pipe would
> be regarded as a "riser", by 3.5.9, it would require a 4-way brace at the
> top per 9.3.5.8.1.
>     It also might fall into the need for flexible couplings per
> 9.3.2.3.1(1).
>     Good call.  And I suppose I should acknowledge Craig's question, and
> note that I made the conclusion that since Rocci is in California, where
> almost everything has to be protected from earthquake damage, AND he asked
> the question, that seismic protection was necessary on his system.
> sincerely,
>
>
>
>
>
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> On 09/21/2016 9:10 AM, Cliff Whitfield wrote:
>
> Ken,
>
>
>
> If this is an 1½” hose line in an NFPA 13 condition (which Rocci didn’t
> actually state but I’m assuming it is), then the definition of ‘branch
> line’ in NFPA 14 would not apply.  If that is the case, would this still be
> considered a ‘branch line’ or does it become a ‘feed main’?
>
>
>
> Cliff Whitfield
>
>
>
> *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-bounces@lists.firesprinkler.
> org] *On Behalf Of *Parsley Consulting
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:06 PM
> *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
> *Subject:* Re: small hose connections
>
>
>
> Rocci,
>     Glad to see you made it back safely from Nashville, and it was great
> to meet there and put a face with the name.
>     By the definition in section 3.3.2 of NFPA 14 [2013 ed], the pipe you
> describe is a "branch line."  Section 6.1.2.5 of that document advises that
> you need to follow NFPA 13 to provide protection against damage from
> earthquakes.
>     Lateral bracing for that line is not required per NFPA 13 [2013]
> 9.3.5.5.1, as it is not a branch line 2½" or larger.
>     Longitudinal bracing for that line is not required per 9.5.6.1 as it
> is not a feed or cross main.
>     My opinion only.  Please see the disclaimer below.
> sincerely,
>
>
>
>
>
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> On 09/21/2016 8:17 AM, Rocci Cetani 3 wrote:
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> Do I need to earthquake brace my 1½” feed for hose connections?
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