Sounds almost like an issue with the DLU not being set correctly....but not 
being there to see...hmmm...
On Oct 22, 2010, at 8:32 AM, Richard Kasson wrote:

> True, but 20 minute login times wouldn’t be acceptable no matter how they use 
> it.  I don’t care how old the computers are, that’s just unreasonable.   The 
> Novell client doesn’t slow things down that much.  That needs to be fixed 
> sooner rather than later and should have never been allowed to get that far.  
>  My guess is that they aren’t concerned with fixing the problem because I’m 
> thinking Scott has already told them what was causing the problem and they 
> haven’t been concerned about making it go away.
>  
> From: tech-geeks-boun...@tech-geeks.org 
> [mailto:tech-geeks-boun...@tech-geeks.org] On Behalf Of Heath Henderson
> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 8:02 AM
> To: Tech-Geeks Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [tech-geeks] Job Opening - Dir of Tech
>  
> Bad part is you need to evaluate for a year to see how they use it to know 
> what is best for the cause!  I guess you could "maintain" and just fix what 
> is broken and not working now. Maybe thatcoukd carry them through the year.
> 
> -Heath Henderson
> 
> On Oct 22, 2010, at 7:42 AM, Jason Livezey <jlive...@nlsd122.org> wrote:
> 
> The Tech-Geek special forces should storm the district get everything running 
> then slowly disappear into the night.  That way whoever takes this job has a 
> fighting chance of getting things turned around in the district.
>  
> JL
>  
> On Oct 22, 2010, at 7:35 AM, Scott Oyer wrote:
> 
> 
> In this case a lot -- because they are union...
>  
> On Oct 22, 2010, at 6:58 AM, Bill Purcell wrote:
> 
> 
> That was my first thought.. 20-30 min login.. Those techs should be fired... 
> Was does it take to fire a tech for incompetence...
> Percy
> 
> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Eric Pingel <etpinge.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
> might be a union deal that login times are 30-40 minutes
> 
> ----
> Eric Pingel
> Network Manager
> Lake Bluff School District 65
> epin...@lb65.org
>  
> On Oct 21, 2010, at 11:16 AM, Jim Flanagan wrote:
> 
> 
> don't forget, get the login tim down to 5 min. and you are a hero ;-)
> 
> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Brian Tobin <brian.to...@dist428.org> wrote:
> So it basically sounds like 80-90K a year to do nothing.  Ha!
> It would be interesting to see what kind of skill set the techs have, and how 
> bad the network config is.
> 
> Brian Tobin
> DeKalb Community Unit School District 428
> 901 s 4th st
> DeKalb, IL 60115
> brian.to...@dist428.org
> ilfastpi...@gmail.com
> W815.754.2284
> M302.468.6246
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> From: tech-geeks-boun...@tech-geeks.org [tech-geeks-boun...@tech-geeks.org] 
> On Behalf Of Chris Franzen [chrisfran...@nokomis.k12.il.us]
> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 11:03 AM
> To: Tech-Geeks Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [tech-geeks] Job Opening - Dir of Tech
> 
> Yeah that would be my problem as well.  I would be hands on and upset the 
> union.  good luck to anyone who wishes to truck down this path.
> Chris Franzen
> Technology Coordinator
> Nokomis School District
> 511 Oberle St.
> Nokomis, IL  62075
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:47 AM, T Suter 
> <suterscomput...@gmail.com<mailto:suterscomput...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> I should clarify......I wasn't mad because I HAD to do the work.  It was 
> because I had several grievances filed against me because I WANTED to do the 
> work...and did.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:46 AM, T Suter 
> <suterscomput...@gmail.com<mailto:suterscomput...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Delawder,
> 
> 
> 
> I remember back in a former life....being a supervisor in a factory. All my 
> floor personnel was union....and I wasn't of course.  While I could go on and 
> on about what I know of that experience, I'll just say that I was less than 
> happy several times when I would go to do some labor because a person was 
> sick.  The politics of that whole situation superimposed onto the politics 
> already manifested for a Director who DOESN'T have to deal with union 
> subordinates, screams Rolaids.  Does the benefit package have some sort of 
> comprehensive care/life insurance for stress related illnesses, mental or 
> physical, that is sure to take the Director down?
> 
> I guess if that budget is all the district can do for their technology, the 
> new courageous soul taking on that load of a position should be allowed to 
> enlist the most diligent and creative grant writer that would find some tech 
> funds for that budget to upgrade that heaping pile of a collision domain.  
> While I believe that throwing money at something doesn't necessarily always 
> fix it....$300,000 a year for a tech budget of a school that size with the 
> problems it has.............- WOW!  Isn't that like an early/mid 90's budget?
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Mike Oliveri 
> <mike.oliv...@student.rb60.com<mailto:mike.oliv...@student.rb60.com>> wrote:
> I'm wondering if they're talking to Cat. State Farm gives out old equipment 
> in Bloomington, so I'm wondering if Cat does the same. They've got their big 
> offices downtown and facilities all over the area.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:03 AM, Richard Kasson wrote:
> 
> > Let me get this straight.  The techs are all union so the tech director
> > can't touch the equipment?  That's the scariest part.  Does that budget
> > figure include the salaries or are salaries separate.  If salaries are
> > separate, you can get creative and make it work.  I manage on $25,000 a year
> > or less depending on what my REAP grant is and whether Congress continues to
> > fund it.  You just have to find and use available resources that provide
> > things for free.  There is absolutely no reason that those techs shouldn't
> > be visiting Rock Island arsenal on a regular basis to take advantage of what
> > the Army is rotating out of service.  There's some pretty nice two and
> > three-year-old equipment available.  All it takes is someone to fill out the
> > paperwork and watch the website.
> >
> > That login thing is a bit worrisome.  I had 9 year old Celeron 600s with 64
> > MB RAM that didn't take 20 minutes to login, even when we were a Novell
> > Network.  Something definitely ain't correct there.
> >
> > It does sound like a challenge and it would be a blast to give it a shot -
> > if I lived closer.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 
> > tech-geeks-boun...@tech-geeks.org<mailto:tech-geeks-boun...@tech-geeks.org>
> > [mailto:tech-geeks-boun...@tech-geeks.org<mailto:tech-geeks-boun...@tech-geeks.org>]
> >  On Behalf Of Mike Oliveri
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 7:08 PM
> > To: Tech-Geeks Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [tech-geeks] Job Opening - Dir of Tech
> >
> > That's what I'm thinking.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > On Oct 20, 2010, at 6:28 PM, Heath Henderson wrote:
> >
> >> Yes, failure, but from the creative standpoint, it sure would be fun to
> > try. From the technical side (outside of the tech plan etc) it sure would be
> > challenging to try and get that system fixed back up right. Sounds like the
> > infrastructure is there though.
> >>
> >> -Heath Henderson
> >>
> >> On Oct 20, 2010, at 5:07 PM, Jason Livezey 
> >> <jlive...@nlsd122.org<mailto:jlive...@nlsd122.org>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> It is going to be really hard for a Director if he or she can't touch
> > anything.  I have to manage things on a daily basis just so I can make an
> > educated decision about what I need and who is going to manage it.
> > Obviously something is seriously wrong with their setup if they have login
> > times of 20+ minutes.  That basically means those machines are useless...
> >>>
> >>> You would have to go backwards before you could go forward.   With that
> > current budget you could only spend about $7500K a building if you divided
> > equally.  With a district that big a budget like that for tech is just bad.
> >>>
> >>> Talk about setting up for failure...
> >>>
> >>> JL
> >>>
> >>> On Oct 20, 2010, at 3:47 PM, Delawder, Scott wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Union District means no Hands on for the Director
> >>>
> >>> Jason Livezey
> >>> Director of Technology
> >>> New Lenox School District #122
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