I agree with Jim, the situation got bad and they gave up. i doubt that the 250 tickets a week get solved and I bet machine age and no normal maintenance is a result of, "They can't fire me, so why bother". And sometime in situations like this it's like trying to swim up Niagara Falls. If the BOE wants it cleaned up they are going to have to stick some bigger $$ into the problem. Don't forget, 5 year old servers too, but that doesn't mean there bad, probably neglected.
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 8:39 AM, JimHays <hay...@sages.us> wrote: > Anyone taking this position needs to demand a 3-year contract and a > financial commitment from the sup't and the board - in writing - that the > program will grow and not simply maintain. $300,000 is not nearly enough > for a district this size. The tech budget for a district this size needs to > be at the very least $1,000,000 to 1,500,000 and probably more than that. > Mike Oliveri wrote: >> >> That could also be how they got into this position. If it's a revolving >> door position (which is what I'm afraid of given Peoria 150's notorious >> political and financial situation), everyone coming in could just be >> maintaining. >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> On Oct 22, 2010, at 8:02 AM, Heath Henderson wrote: >> >>> Bad part is you need to evaluate for a year to see how they use it to >>> know what is best for the cause! I guess you could "maintain" and just fix >>> what is broken and not working now. Maybe thatcoukd carry them through the >>> year. >>> >>> -Heath Henderson >>> >>> On Oct 22, 2010, at 7:42 AM, Jason Livezey <jlive...@nlsd122.org >>> <mailto:jlive...@nlsd122.org>> wrote: >>> >>>> The Tech-Geek special forces should storm the district get everything >>>> running then slowly disappear into the night. That way whoever takes this >>>> job has a fighting chance of getting things turned around in the district. >>>> >>>> JL >>>> >>>> On Oct 22, 2010, at 7:35 AM, Scott Oyer wrote: >>>> >>>>> In this case a lot -- because they are union... >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 22, 2010, at 6:58 AM, Bill Purcell wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> That was my first thought.. 20-30 min login.. Those techs should be >>>>>> fired... Was does it take to fire a tech for incompetence... >>>>>> Percy >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Eric Pingel <etpinge.l...@gmail.com >>>>>> <mailto:etpinge.l...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> might be a union deal that login times are 30-40 minutes >>>>>> >>>>>> ---- >>>>>> Eric Pingel >>>>>> Network Manager >>>>>> Lake Bluff School District 65 >>>>>> epin...@lb65.org <mailto:epin...@lb65.org> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 11:16 AM, Jim Flanagan wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> don't forget, get the login tim down to 5 min. and you are a >>>>>>> hero ;-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Brian Tobin >>>>>>> <brian.to...@dist428.org <mailto:brian.to...@dist428.org>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So it basically sounds like 80-90K a year to do nothing. Ha! >>>>>>> It would be interesting to see what kind of skill set the >>>>>>> techs have, and how bad the network config is. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Brian Tobin >>>>>>> DeKalb Community Unit School District 428 >>>>>>> 901 s 4th st >>>>>>> DeKalb, IL 60115 >>>>>>> brian.to...@dist428.org <mailto:brian.to...@dist428.org> >>>>>>> ilfastpi...@gmail.com <mailto:ilfastpi...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> W815.754.2284 >>>>>>> M302.468.6246 >>>>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>>>> From: tech-geeks-boun...@tech-geeks.org >>>>>>> <mailto:tech-geeks-boun...@tech-geeks.org> >>>>>>> [tech-geeks-boun...@tech-geeks.org >>>>>>> <mailto:tech-geeks-boun...@tech-geeks.org>] On Behalf Of >>>>>>> Chris Franzen [chrisfran...@nokomis.k12.il.us >>>>>>> <mailto:chrisfran...@nokomis.k12.il.us>] >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 11:03 AM >>>>>>> To: Tech-Geeks Mailing List >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [tech-geeks] Job Opening - Dir of Tech >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yeah that would be my problem as well. I would be hands >>>>>>> on and upset the union. good luck to anyone who wishes >>>>>>> to truck down this path. >>>>>>> Chris Franzen >>>>>>> Technology Coordinator >>>>>>> Nokomis School District >>>>>>> 511 Oberle St. >>>>>>> Nokomis, IL 62075 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:47 AM, T Suter >>>>>>> <suterscomput...@gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:suterscomput...@gmail.com><mailto:suterscomput...@gmail.com >>>>>>> <mailto:suterscomput...@gmail.com>>> wrote: >>>>>>> I should clarify......I wasn't mad because I HAD to do >>>>>>> the work. It was because I had several grievances filed >>>>>>> against me because I WANTED to do the work...and did. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:46 AM, T Suter >>>>>>> <suterscomput...@gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:suterscomput...@gmail.com><mailto:suterscomput...@gmail.com >>>>>>> <mailto:suterscomput...@gmail.com>>> wrote: >>>>>>> Delawder, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I remember back in a former life....being a supervisor in >>>>>>> a factory. All my floor personnel was union....and I >>>>>>> wasn't of course. While I could go on and on about what >>>>>>> I know of that experience, I'll just say that I was less >>>>>>> than happy several times when I would go to do some labor >>>>>>> because a person was sick. The politics of that whole >>>>>>> situation superimposed onto the politics already >>>>>>> manifested for a Director who DOESN'T have to deal with >>>>>>> union subordinates, screams Rolaids. Does the benefit >>>>>>> package have some sort of comprehensive care/life >>>>>>> insurance for stress related illnesses, mental or >>>>>>> physical, that is sure to take the Director down? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I guess if that budget is all the district can do for >>>>>>> their technology, the new courageous soul taking on that >>>>>>> load of a position should be allowed to enlist the most >>>>>>> diligent and creative grant writer that would find some >>>>>>> tech funds for that budget to upgrade that heaping pile >>>>>>> of a collision domain. While I believe that throwing >>>>>>> money at something doesn't necessarily always fix >>>>>>> it....$300,000 a year for a tech budget of a school that >>>>>>> size with the problems it has.............- WOW! Isn't >>>>>>> that like an early/mid 90's budget? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Mike Oliveri >>>>>>> <mike.oliv...@student.rb60.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:mike.oliv...@student.rb60.com><mailto:mike.oliv...@student.rb60.com >>>>>>> <mailto:mike.oliv...@student.rb60.com>>> wrote: >>>>>>> I'm wondering if they're talking to Cat. State Farm gives >>>>>>> out old equipment in Bloomington, so I'm wondering if Cat >>>>>>> does the same. They've got their big offices downtown and >>>>>>> facilities all over the area. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mike >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:03 AM, Richard Kasson wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > Let me get this straight. The techs are all union so >>>>>>> the tech director >>>>>>> > can't touch the equipment? That's the scariest part. >>>>>>> Does that budget >>>>>>> > figure include the salaries or are salaries separate. >>>>>>> If salaries are >>>>>>> > separate, you can get creative and make it work. I >>>>>>> manage on $25,000 a year >>>>>>> > or less depending on what my REAP grant is and whether >>>>>>> Congress continues to >>>>>>> > fund it. You just have to find and use available >>>>>>> resources that provide >>>>>>> > things for free. There is absolutely no reason that >>>>>>> those techs shouldn't >>>>>>> > be visiting Rock Island arsenal on a regular basis to >>>>>>> take advantage of what >>>>>>> > the Army is rotating out of service. There's some >>>>>>> pretty nice two and >>>>>>> > three-year-old equipment available. All it takes is >>>>>>> someone to fill out the >>>>>>> > paperwork and watch the website. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > That login thing is a bit worrisome. I had 9 year old >>>>>>> Celeron 600s with 64 >>>>>>> > MB RAM that didn't take 20 minutes to login, even when >>>>>>> we were a Novell >>>>>>> > Network. Something definitely ain't correct there. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > It does sound like a challenge and it would be a blast >>>>>>> to give it a shot - >>>>>>> > if I lived closer. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> > From: tech-geeks-boun...@tech-geeks.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:tech-geeks-boun...@tech-geeks.org><mailto:tech-geeks-boun...@tech-geeks.org >>>>>>> <mailto:tech-geeks-boun...@tech-geeks.org>> >>>>>>> > [mailto:tech-geeks-boun...@tech-geeks.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:tech-geeks-boun...@tech-geeks.org><mailto:tech-geeks-boun...@tech-geeks.org >>>>>>> <mailto:tech-geeks-boun...@tech-geeks.org>>] On Behalf Of >>>>>>> Mike Oliveri >>>>>>> > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 7:08 PM >>>>>>> > To: Tech-Geeks Mailing List >>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [tech-geeks] Job Opening - Dir of Tech >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > That's what I'm thinking. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Mike >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > On Oct 20, 2010, at 6:28 PM, Heath Henderson wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >> Yes, failure, but from the creative standpoint, it >>>>>>> sure would be fun to >>>>>>> > try. From the technical side (outside of the tech plan >>>>>>> etc) it sure would be >>>>>>> > challenging to try and get that system fixed back up >>>>>>> right. Sounds like the >>>>>>> > infrastructure is there though. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> -Heath Henderson >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> On Oct 20, 2010, at 5:07 PM, Jason Livezey >>>>>>> <jlive...@nlsd122.org >>>>>>> <mailto:jlive...@nlsd122.org><mailto:jlive...@nlsd122.org >>>>>>> <mailto:jlive...@nlsd122.org>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >>> It is going to be really hard for a Director if he or >>>>>>> she can't touch >>>>>>> > anything. I have to manage things on a daily basis >>>>>>> just so I can make an >>>>>>> > educated decision about what I need and who is going to >>>>>>> manage it. >>>>>>> > Obviously something is seriously wrong with their setup >>>>>>> if they have login >>>>>>> > times of 20+ minutes. That basically means those >>>>>>> machines are useless... >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> You would have to go backwards before you could go >>>>>>> forward. With that >>>>>>> > current budget you could only spend about $7500K a >>>>>>> building if you divided >>>>>>> > equally. With a district that big a budget like that >>>>>>> for tech is just bad. >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> Talk about setting up for failure... >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> JL >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> On Oct 20, 2010, at 3:47 PM, Delawder, Scott wrote: >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>>> Union District means no Hands on for the Director >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> Jason Livezey >>>>>>> >>> Director of Technology >>>>>>> >>> New Lenox School District #122 >>>>>>> >>> Cell: 815.693.9338 >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> ACMT Certified >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> | Subscription info at http://www.tech-geeks.org >>>>>>> <http://www.tech-geeks.org/> | >>>>>>> >> | Subscription info at http://www.tech-geeks.org >>>>>>> <http://www.tech-geeks.org/> | >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > | Subscription info at http://www.tech-geeks.org >>>>>>> <http://www.tech-geeks.org/> | >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > | Subscription info at http://www.tech-geeks.org >>>>>>> <http://www.tech-geeks.org/> | >>>>>>> >>>>>>> | Subscription info at http://www.tech-geeks.org >>>>>>> <http://www.tech-geeks.org/> | >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> | Subscription info at http://www.tech-geeks.org >>>>>>> <http://www.tech-geeks.org/> | >>>>>>> >>>>>>> | Subscription info at http://www.tech-geeks.org >>>>>>> <http://www.tech-geeks.org/> | >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Jim Flanagan >>>>>>> 4439 N. 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