Hey Tony, I'm going to run with your ideas and have started to play around with the TOC macros...!
On Wednesday, April 11, 2018 at 7:29:54 AM UTC+9, TonyM wrote: > > JD, > > I am not sure about the full blown part, but outline yes. > > This difficulty between composing large texts and the tiddler as the basic > unit is a common stumbling block for newbies, until they understand the > model they do create large tiddlers, then come to the forum asking > questions how to deal with large tiddlers. > > It makes sense we have a solution already made for authors of larger > content that also encourages use of the tiddler and structuring that data. > Personally unless we do this a lot of users will not even see how powerful > it is to divide and organise there data or documents. Outlining is the > minimum structure we need to support large documents. > > I agree on using the TableOfContents model or similar, I would like to see > a check box or setting that hides and shows tiddler names, edit links, tags > and perhaps even author notes. SOne of those settings will show it in a way > it can be printed and another so that open in new window is a valid way to > monitor the whole documents progress while working on its parts. Further > ease of reordering is also important, and a preview plugins so you can see > content of tiddlers from links also makes sense. > > When users can author paragraphs and a paragraphs or section "is a > tiddler" then collaborative documents is a possibility with all the > features than can be applied to tiddler management becoming available. > > Regards > Tony > > On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 11:17:45 PM UTC+10, JD wrote: >> >> Hi Tony, you mean, like a full-blown outline, right? >> >> If that's so, I think, maybe, we can use the TOC template for this. And >> instead of transcluding the title, we transclude the body of the text >> (while still following the tag-tree structure). What do you think? >> >> My contribution in this will be slow during the weekdays (9 - 5 job + >> lots of overtime gets in the way) >> >> This is exciting stuff. I'm thinking of using this to write a novelette. >> >> >> On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 9:17:59 AM UTC+9, TonyM wrote: >>> >>> JD, >>> >>> Should we be using a new thread to collaborate otherwise we are somewhat >>> hijacking the thread? >>> >>> Of note is I am using filters such as "[tag[WhitePaper]]" where it would >>> be nice to either include all tiddlers tagged by the tiddlers that are >>> tagged by WhitePaper like the Table of Contents macro >>> >>> I think there would be value being able to specify more than one filter >>> as you suggest. >>> >>> For the moment I am just thinking will the second filter be wrapped >>> inside the first? >>> >>> Imagine filter1 filter2 filter3 = chapter section paragraph >>> >>> So when listing paragraphs we only want to be listing those with the >>> same chapter and section >>> And ideally each filter will provide the sort order. >>> >>> I will return to this soon. >>> >>> Tony >>> >>> >>> On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 10:24:26 PM UTC+10, JD wrote: >>>> >>>> Hey Tony, I was thinking of adding "subtiddler" as another optional >>>> parameter, then going along these lines: >>>> >>>> <$list filter="$filter$" variable="parItem"> >>>> <$transclude tiddler=<<parItem>> subtiddler="$subtiddler$"/> >>>> </$list> >>>> >>>> As you can see, I'm not quite imaginative enough to think of more than >>>> that 😅. Please do share your ideas, and use the code present on the >>>> demo site to build something better (we can build them together, too, I >>>> just don't know how collabs work). >>>> >>>> I'm also still mulling over using the Navigator widget, which requires >>>> the creation of additional tiddlers, with the absolute pro of not having >>>> to >>>> rely on temporary tiddlers... 🤔 >>>> >>>> >>>> On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 7:30:47 AM UTC+9, TonyM wrote: >>>>> >>>>> JD, >>>>> >>>>> I just tried this and it is very helpful. Thanks for the demo. >>>>> >>>>> I just applied it to a list of issues (items tagged Issues) and >>>>> realised It would be helpful to list the sub tiddlers. >>>>> >>>>> I have more ideas and some ideas about how to approach it, if you were >>>>> to develop it further but as you say this conversation is already under >>>>> way. >>>>> >>>>> It seems a somewhat simpler approach is down this path. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Tony >>>>> >>>>> On Sunday, April 8, 2018 at 2:09:28 PM UTC+10, JD wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I hastily created a wordy little macro that does the same thing, >>>>>> before I read your post, and now I feel stupid lol >>>>>> >>>>>> Still, I created a demo for the "paragraphs" macro, as seen here >>>>>> http://j.d.paragraphs.tiddlyspot.com/ >>>>>> >>>>>> But the navigator widget(?) method does look cleaner >>>>>> >>>>>> EDIT: corrected URL >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sunday, April 8, 2018 at 12:05:45 PM UTC+9, zemoxian wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Here's a barebones template to start from: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <$navigator story="PE:story" history="PE:history"> >>>>>>> {{$:/core/ui/Buttons/new-tiddler}} >>>>>>> <$list filter="[list[PE:story]]" template="$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate" >>>>>>> editTemplate="$:/core/ui/EditTemplate" >>>>>>> emptyMessage={{$:/config/EmptyStoryMessage}} /> >>>>>>> </$navigator> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can create custom templates to replace $:/core/ui/EditTemplate >>>>>>> and $:/core/ui/EditTemplate with simpler templates with the >>>>>>> required functionality. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For example the view template could be as simple as: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <div> >>>>>>> {{||$:/core/ui/Buttons/edit}} >>>>>>> {{||move-up button}} {{||move-down button}} >>>>>>> <div><$view field=title /></div> >>>>>>> <div> >>>>>>> <$transclude /> >>>>>>> </div> >>>>>>> </div> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The move-up and down buttons would allow you to move paragraphs or >>>>>>> sections up and down. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Saturday, April 7, 2018 at 9:58:26 PM UTC-4, zemoxian wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You could combine a navigator widget with a list widget and a >>>>>>>> couple of templates to manipulate multiple tiddlers from one tiddler. >>>>>>>> This >>>>>>>> is actually how the story works in the PageTemplate. I've done this >>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>> past while fiddling with stuff. The navigator widget handles >>>>>>>> manipulation >>>>>>>> of the story tiddler by handling messages from buttons on the view and >>>>>>>> edit >>>>>>>> templates for the sub tiddlers. You can create, edit, delete, save, >>>>>>>> etc. >>>>>>>> You can also create buttons with list operations to sort or reorder >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> tiddlers. (I.e. move up 1, move down 1, move to top, move to bottom, >>>>>>>> etc.) >>>>>>>> So, it is possible to keep each sub tiddler as a single paragraph with >>>>>>>> its >>>>>>>> own title, tags, and fields and reorder them as needed. It just >>>>>>>> depends on >>>>>>>> what features you want for a particular story editing app. It is a >>>>>>>> little >>>>>>>> tedious creating an app like this because you need to create the >>>>>>>> various >>>>>>>> templates and buttons, etc. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 3, 2018 at 12:46:29 PM UTC-4, Vytas wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think it is not that important, whether you segment one tiddler >>>>>>>>> by its fields (if their content can indeed contain longer texts, >>>>>>>>> links, >>>>>>>>> images..), or by creating new tiddlers within the primary tiddler, AS >>>>>>>>> LONG >>>>>>>>> AS you have the ability to EDIT those segments within the edit-window >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> that primary tiddler. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Indeed, if you are writing a coherent text, tagging separate >>>>>>>>> paragraphs by excising those paragraphs into different tiddlers makes >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> editing very cumbersome: you have to jump to those new tiddlers to >>>>>>>>> edit >>>>>>>>> them and then come back to the primary tiddler to see the integral >>>>>>>>> result. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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