Mark, 

I remember we had this conversation on another thread when I brought up 
Anki as well lol. I'd summarize that, IMO, if you buy into the TW 
philosophy that its your external brain - that you place all information 
that is somewhat important to you into TW - it only makes sense that it 
would have some mechanism to help you remember certain key pieces. 

Add onto that that its completely open source and lets you *completely* 
customize what any "card"/question can act and look like, it seems like a 
no-brainer to me!

Diego

On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 12:38:52 PM UTC-5, Mark S. wrote:
>
> I'm not as convinced with Anki. Anki is already free, open-source, and 
> well-written. Your data may be kept in the cloud, but unless you're a spy 
> no one is going to be interested in your language study progress.
>
> How about a bookmark app that you could take with you? Especially if it 
> were possible to capture and store small thumbprints of web-pages. 
>
> -- Mark
>
> On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 10:24:55 AM UTC-7, Diego Mesa wrote:
>>
>> I 100% agree with you Mark that a Dynalist built into TW would be a 
>> killer app. I also think the same about Anki, and am working with Simon to 
>> achieve that as well! 
>>
>> If we could get one or two killer, easy to use and easy to follow 
>> "applications" built into TW like that, I think it will do much to bring TW 
>> to a much larger audience. 
>>
>> On a related note, I have personally built a Paper/Reference management 
>> system into TW that I am happy with, and have in the back of my mind to 
>> distil into a plugin/edition for demonstration as well.
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 11:51:32 AM UTC-5, Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>> Workflowy looks like it decided to rest on it's laurels before it had 
>>> any.
>>>
>>> For the price of Dynalist, you could get two subscriptions to Evernote. 
>>>
>>> None of the cloud-based services seem to promise client-side encryption. 
>>>
>>> An outlining tool built on TW might be the killer app (edition) for TW 
>>> that everyone keeps talking about.  I've started on my own "TWFlowy" once 
>>> or twice, built on the TOC macro. Someone who knew what they were doing 
>>> could probably come up with something really nice, with the security of 
>>> local files and the flexibility of TW.
>>>
>>> -- Mark
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 6:25:53 AM UTC-7, David Gifford wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Seems like a lot of effort when there are better tools for writing and 
>>>> outlining, like Dynalist or Workflowy.
>>>>
>>>> David Gifford
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 8:17 AM, JD <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Tony, you mean, like a full-blown outline, right? 
>>>>>
>>>>> If that's so, I think, maybe, we can use the TOC template for this. 
>>>>> And instead of transcluding the title, we transclude the body of the text 
>>>>> (while still following the tag-tree structure). What do you think? 
>>>>>
>>>>> My contribution in this will be slow during the weekdays (9 - 5 job + 
>>>>> lots of overtime gets in the way)
>>>>>
>>>>> This is exciting stuff. I'm thinking of using this to write a 
>>>>> novelette. 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 9:17:59 AM UTC+9, TonyM wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> JD,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Should we be using a new thread to collaborate otherwise we are 
>>>>>> somewhat hijacking the thread?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of note is I am using filters such as "[tag[WhitePaper]]" where it 
>>>>>> would be nice to either include all tiddlers tagged by the tiddlers that 
>>>>>> are tagged by WhitePaper like the Table of Contents macro
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think there would be value being able to specify more than one 
>>>>>> filter as you suggest.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For the moment I am just thinking will the second filter be wrapped 
>>>>>> inside the first?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Imagine filter1 filter2 filter3 = chapter section paragraph
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So when listing paragraphs we only want to be listing those with the 
>>>>>> same chapter and section
>>>>>> And ideally each filter will provide the sort order.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will return to this soon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tony
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 10:24:26 PM UTC+10, JD wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey Tony, I was thinking of adding "subtiddler" as another optional 
>>>>>>> parameter, then going along these lines:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <$list filter="$filter$" variable="parItem">
>>>>>>> <$transclude tiddler=<<parItem>> subtiddler="$subtiddler$"/>
>>>>>>> </$list>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As you can see, I'm not quite imaginative enough to think of more 
>>>>>>> than that 😅. Please do share your ideas, and use the code present 
>>>>>>> on the demo site to build something better (we can build them together, 
>>>>>>> too, I just don't know how collabs work).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm also still mulling over using the Navigator widget, which 
>>>>>>> requires the creation of additional tiddlers, with the absolute pro of 
>>>>>>> not 
>>>>>>> having to rely on temporary tiddlers... 🤔
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 7:30:47 AM UTC+9, TonyM wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> JD,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just tried this and it is very helpful. Thanks for the demo.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just applied it to a list of issues (items tagged Issues) and 
>>>>>>>> realised It would be helpful to list the sub tiddlers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have more ideas and some ideas about how to approach it, if you 
>>>>>>>> were to develop it further but as you say this conversation is already 
>>>>>>>> under way.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It seems a somewhat simpler approach is down this path.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>> Tony
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sunday, April 8, 2018 at 2:09:28 PM UTC+10, JD wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I hastily created a wordy little macro that does the same thing, 
>>>>>>>>> before I read your post, and now I feel stupid lol 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Still, I created a demo for the "paragraphs" macro, as seen here 
>>>>>>>>> http://j.d.paragraphs.tiddlyspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But the navigator widget(?) method does look cleaner
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> EDIT: corrected URL
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, April 8, 2018 at 12:05:45 PM UTC+9, zemoxian wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Here's a barebones template to start from:
>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <$navigator story="PE:story" history="PE:history">
>>>>>>>>>> {{$:/core/ui/Buttons/new-tiddler}}
>>>>>>>>>> <$list filter="[list[PE:story]]" 
>>>>>>>>>> template="$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate" 
>>>>>>>>>> editTemplate="$:/core/ui/EditTemplate" 
>>>>>>>>>> emptyMessage={{$:/config/EmptyStoryMessage}} />
>>>>>>>>>> </$navigator>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  You can create custom templates to replace 
>>>>>>>>>> $:/core/ui/EditTemplate and $:/core/ui/EditTemplate with simpler 
>>>>>>>>>> templates with the required functionality.
>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>> For example the view template could be as simple as:
>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <div>
>>>>>>>>>> {{||$:/core/ui/Buttons/edit}}
>>>>>>>>>> {{||move-up button}} {{||move-down button}}
>>>>>>>>>> <div><$view field=title /></div>
>>>>>>>>>> <div>
>>>>>>>>>> <$transclude />
>>>>>>>>>> </div>
>>>>>>>>>> </div>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  The move-up and down buttons would allow you to move paragraphs 
>>>>>>>>>> or sections up and down.
>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, April 7, 2018 at 9:58:26 PM UTC-4, zemoxian wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You could combine a navigator widget with a list widget and a 
>>>>>>>>>>> couple of templates to manipulate multiple tiddlers from one 
>>>>>>>>>>> tiddler.  This 
>>>>>>>>>>> is actually how the story works in the PageTemplate.  I've done 
>>>>>>>>>>> this in the 
>>>>>>>>>>> past while fiddling with stuff.  The navigator widget handles 
>>>>>>>>>>> manipulation 
>>>>>>>>>>> of the story tiddler by handling messages from buttons on the view 
>>>>>>>>>>> and edit 
>>>>>>>>>>> templates for the sub tiddlers.  You can create, edit, delete, 
>>>>>>>>>>> save, etc.  
>>>>>>>>>>> You can also create buttons with list operations to sort or reorder 
>>>>>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>>>>>> tiddlers. (I.e. move up 1, move down 1, move to top, move to 
>>>>>>>>>>> bottom, etc.)  
>>>>>>>>>>> So, it is possible to keep each sub tiddler as a single paragraph 
>>>>>>>>>>> with its 
>>>>>>>>>>> own title, tags, and fields and reorder them as needed.  It just 
>>>>>>>>>>> depends on 
>>>>>>>>>>> what features you want for a particular story editing app. It is a 
>>>>>>>>>>> little 
>>>>>>>>>>> tedious creating an app like this because you need to create the 
>>>>>>>>>>> various 
>>>>>>>>>>> templates and buttons, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 3, 2018 at 12:46:29 PM UTC-4, Vytas wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think it is not that important, whether you segment one 
>>>>>>>>>>>> tiddler by its fields (if their content can indeed contain longer 
>>>>>>>>>>>> texts, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> links, images..), or by creating new tiddlers within the primary 
>>>>>>>>>>>> tiddler, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> AS LONG AS you have the ability to EDIT those segments within the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> edit-window of that primary tiddler. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Indeed, if you are writing a coherent text, tagging separate 
>>>>>>>>>>>> paragraphs by excising those paragraphs into different tiddlers 
>>>>>>>>>>>> makes the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> editing very cumbersome: you have to jump to those new tiddlers to 
>>>>>>>>>>>> edit 
>>>>>>>>>>>> them and then come back to the primary tiddler to see the integral 
>>>>>>>>>>>> result. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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