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Ok, we're not talking about my feelings as a TROMer or a Scientologist. we are only discussing society that protects criminals. it's my impression from reading history that all governments are simply criminal organizations that control the police, military and many time even the religion in a region. the people are treated like cattle to be slaughtered at the whim and for the profit of the people running the government. this occurs in every society and in every age throughout history. what do you want to do about it? my solution is: Keep on TROMing Pete Sent from my iPad On Jun 24, 2012, at 6:22 AM, Glen Strathy <[email protected]> wrote: > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > ************ > I agree authorities have a duty to discover the facts. But the system, the > culture often has biases built in that undermine justice and which certain > perpetrators exploit. The problem is what happens when the woman and child > are not lying and still get blamed. > > You will often find perpetrators who are very quick to blame their victims in > order to assuage their guilt and escape responsibility. If the victim accepts > that argument, they don't fight back or seek justice, so the perpetrator gets > a free pass and can continue assaulting that victim or other victims. It's > how playground bullies operate - hit someone, then find a way to escape > punishment so they can keep hitting people. > > You will find cultures that are quick to assume that powerful people are > innocent and the powerless are guilty. It's not a logical assumption, but as > they say, "Who are you going to believe?" I think that's a society that has > chosen to side with the bullies. > > None of this argues against a person taking responsibility for their own life > and healing their past trauma using TROM or something else. It's an apples > and oranges comparison. > > But imagine this... Some religious leader or other person cheats you out of > your life savings. And when you complain, they say, "Don't blame me. You > create your own reality, so what happened is entirely your fault. Why do you > think you did that?" It takes attention off the con and makes the victim > wrong - as if the con artist has no responsibility for his actions. > Meanwhile, they keep your money. > > Other examples... > > A man rapes a woman and then tells her it's her fault for looking so > attractive. > African people are enslaved, and then told it's not the enslavers fault > because God ordained it that way - check the bible. > Wealthy people put in place laws that allow them to make unlimited money > while making it very hard for the average person to get a decent job. Then > they claim that if anyone is poor it's only because they want to be or > they're lazy. > > A society that accepts such arguments would turn into a playground for > sociopaths. > > > On 6/24/2012 12:01 AM, Pete Mclaughlin wrote: >> ************* >> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >> ************ >> Glen >> i see your point but, >> >> What if the complaining woman gets her husband arrested and later it turns >> out she just wanted him out of the way so she could clean out his savings >> and run off with her new boyfriend? >> >> What if it turns out the kids were lying about what the priest did? >> >> Whenever authorities are asked to take action against some one who is >> accused of doing wrong they must determine the facts in the case. >> >> However what do these third dynamic activities have to do with TROM? TROM >> is a first dynamic only activity where i try to improve myself. >> I find that when applying TROM to myself it works best if work from the >> basis that i caused my own problems, even the one where i lost a game. >> >> >> Keep On TROMing >> Pete >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jun 23, 2012, at 2:14 PM, Glen Strathy <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> ************* >>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>> ************ >>> The point I wanted to make regarding this is that there is a difference >>> between, on the one hand, taking responsibility for your life, healing past >>> trauma, and forgiving others and, on the other hand, allowing someone else >>> to dodge responsibility for their actions by blaming you for the violence >>> they did to you. >>> >>> One empowers you. The other saddles you with undeserved guilt and >>> self-loathing (and has led to many suicides). >>> >>> Also, the person pinning the blame doesn't have to be the perpetrator. >>> Sometimes the rules of a culture favor "blaming the victim." >>> An example is when a woman complains about being hit by her husband, and >>> the authority's first response is not to punish the husband, or even find >>> the truth, but to ask the woman, "What did you do to make your husband so >>> mad?" >>> >>> The assumption that the victim is to blame shows a society that gives >>> greater status, goodness, credibility, benefit of the doubt, etc. to >>> perpetrators. Same thing used to happen when a priest abused a child. The >>> false belief was that priests are holy, therefore more likely to be honest >>> and good, whereas children are born sinners and likely to lie. So the >>> authorities would take the priest's word for what happened and punish the >>> child for lying (again, blaming the victim). This often convinced the child >>> th >> at he was at fault for the abuse. So the child would blame himself and do >> self-destructive things to punish himself. >>> In any kind of therapy or self-help, you must be careful to not to blame >>> the victim but to help the victim heal from the trauma and become empowered >>> once more. They are two different things. >>> >>> : >> _______________________________________________ >> Trom mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list [email protected] http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
