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The discussion started over whether there was such a thing as misogyny,
or if it was all in women's minds. I think it does exist, along with
other forms of prejudice and injustice.
What to do about it? I would favour a two-pronged approach. Use TROM or
any other effective therapy to help people heal from trauma, emotional
pain, etc. That can include taking responsibility for your past. Empower
the victims so they won't be victims anymore.
But at the same time, I wouldn't absolve other people of responsibility
for their actions. Nor would I favour a therapy that encouraged people
not to be empathetic towards others. Empathy is what sociopaths lack.
There are always sociopaths and others who would exploit people for
their own gain. You have to protect people from them, rehabilitate them
if you can, limit their power to exploit, channel their ambition towards
benefiting the world.
As for criminal governments, that's what you get when you let the
sociopaths maneuver themselves into positions of power - which is their
natural inclination. I can't remember the name of the psychologist who
studied sociopaths in prisons, but he later said he should have studied
the ones on Wall Street, because they were far more dangerous.
Fortunately, these people are in the minority. They rely on other people
not exercising their power to pursue justice and the public good, not
seriously debating the issues, not looking for the truth, not practicing
empathy.
It's a hard row to hoe, but I'm optimistic.
On 6/24/2012 7:42 PM, Pete Mclaughlin wrote:
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Hi Glen
Ok, we're not talking about my feelings as a TROMer or a Scientologist. we are
only discussing society that protects criminals.
it's my impression from reading history that all governments are simply
criminal organizations that control the police, military and many time even the
religion in a region. the people are treated like cattle to be slaughtered at
the whim and for the profit of the people running the government.
this occurs in every society and in every age throughout history.
what do you want to do about it?
my solution is:
Keep on TROMing
Pete
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I agree authorities have a duty to discover the facts. But the system, the
culture often has biases built in that undermine justice and which certain
perpetrators exploit. The problem is what happens when the woman and child are
not lying and still get blamed.
You will often find perpetrators who are very quick to blame their victims in
order to assuage their guilt and escape responsibility. If the victim accepts
that argument, they don't fight back or seek justice, so the perpetrator gets a
free pass and can continue assaulting that victim or other victims. It's how
playground bullies operate - hit someone, then find a way to escape punishment
so they can keep hitting people.
You will find cultures that are quick to assume that powerful people are innocent and the
powerless are guilty. It's not a logical assumption, but as they say, "Who are you
going to believe?" I think that's a society that has chosen to side with the bullies.
None of this argues against a person taking responsibility for their own life
and healing their past trauma using TROM or something else. It's an apples and
oranges comparison.
But imagine this... Some religious leader or other person cheats you out of your life
savings. And when you complain, they say, "Don't blame me. You create your own
reality, so what happened is entirely your fault. Why do you think you did that?" It
takes attention off the con and makes the victim wrong - as if the con artist has no
responsibility for his actions. Meanwhile, they keep your money.
Other examples...
A man rapes a woman and then tells her it's her fault for looking so attractive.
African people are enslaved, and then told it's not the enslavers fault because
God ordained it that way - check the bible.
Wealthy people put in place laws that allow them to make unlimited money while
making it very hard for the average person to get a decent job. Then they claim
that if anyone is poor it's only because they want to be or they're lazy.
A society that accepts such arguments would turn into a playground for
sociopaths.
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Glen
i see your point but,
What if the complaining woman gets her husband arrested and later it turns out
she just wanted him out of the way so she could clean out his savings and run
off with her new boyfriend?
What if it turns out the kids were lying about what the priest did?
Whenever authorities are asked to take action against some one who is accused
of doing wrong they must determine the facts in the case.
However what do these third dynamic activities have to do with TROM? TROM is a
first dynamic only activity where i try to improve myself.
I find that when applying TROM to myself it works best if work from the basis
that i caused my own problems, even the one where i lost a game.
Keep On TROMing
Pete
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The point I wanted to make regarding this is that there is a difference
between, on the one hand, taking responsibility for your life, healing past
trauma, and forgiving others and, on the other hand, allowing someone else to
dodge responsibility for their actions by blaming you for the violence they did
to you.
One empowers you. The other saddles you with undeserved guilt and self-loathing
(and has led to many suicides).
Also, the person pinning the blame doesn't have to be the perpetrator. Sometimes the
rules of a culture favor "blaming the victim."
An example is when a woman complains about being hit by her husband, and the authority's
first response is not to punish the husband, or even find the truth, but to ask the
woman, "What did you do to make your husband so mad?"
The assumption that the victim is to blame shows a society that gives greater
status, goodness, credibility, benefit of the doubt, etc. to perpetrators. Same
thing used to happen when a priest abused a child. The false belief was that
priests are holy, therefore more likely to be honest and good, whereas children
are born sinners and likely to lie. So the authorities would take the priest's
word for what happened and punish the child for lying (again, blaming the
victim). This often convinced the child
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at he was at fault for the abuse. So the child would blame himself and do
self-destructive things to punish himself.
In any kind of therapy or self-help, you must be careful to not to blame the
victim but to help the victim heal from the trauma and become empowered once
more. They are two different things.
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