> > Does anyone have any info on how JCorporate's Expresso
> framework compares to Turbine ?
Turbine and Expresso have historically taken different approaches and it
really depends on what you are doing which will determine which is more
suitable to your needs. I would explore both as part of your evaluation.
There is a thread on the Jcorporate site under Expresso User forum which
discusses our users' thoughts on how they compare; as well as in the Turbine
archives from earlier this year. It might be best to try them both on for
size.
> Expresso is a framework done by a "corporation" of one employee...Michael
> Nash.
Gosh darn Jon, forget me so soon? ;) I was the tall, slender, good looking
brunette you met at Apachecon in Orlando. You met me and 4 other members of
our Jcorporate team at an ApacheCon and talked for quite some time with you
about Turbine and Expresso. You were actually charming in person, a contrast
to your bark online ;).
More seriously though, Expresso is a framework done by a team of 24 members,
with Michael Nash being the lead developer. Michael is a genius and good
leader and we are very grateful to have him managing the project.
The Expresso team received recognition by Sun and JavaPro magazine during
JavaOne this year being the recipient of the prestigious 2001 Java Community
Award for *Outstanding Group Technical Contribution to the Java Community*,
at the Third Annual Java Technology Achievement Awards event. This award was
one of 5 Java Community Awards for 2001.
> The best quote from the Enhydra site is:
> "One of the things that puzzles me about Expresso is that for an
> open-source
> framework that claims a community of more than 3000 developers,
> the mailing
> list is a mere trickle."
It is understandable that our listserv has less traffic because we also have
online forums which messages are posted to. The listserv has about 15-20
messages per day plus those messages posted to the active various forums.
The developers forum is especially active. We pride ourselves on the quality
of the listserv and forums, and the respect in which people are treated. We
presently have 3678 developers subscribed to the listserv. I have no problem
substantiating this figure via our hosting company if you doubt it.
Jcorporate offers both a listserv as well as online forums for users,
developers, core developers, CVS checkins etc etc (which can send posting
via email too). The great thing about forums is that users can decide if
they want to check the discussions onsite and/or have the postings mailed to
them. This gives users more options - offering both pull and push methods
for getting information they need. Both the listserv and the forums are
active with fresh "meat".
> Maybe Mr. Nash would like to comment as he is subscribed to this list. :-)
Since you ask... (although I am not he) ;)
Expresso has more than 62,000 downloads to date as we prepare for the
release of Expresso 4.0. Expresso 4.0ea was released last week and is now
fully
integrated with Apache Struts!
With Release 4.0ea Expresso has made Controller objects available to Struts
as Actions, so the URL mapping, configuration, and other great capabilities
of Struts are available - with all of the advantages that Expresso standard
Web application functionality provides such as Controller object, DBObjects
(object-relational mapping), configuration management, security, database
connection pooling, email connectivity, job control, logging, event
notification, caching, internationalization, and more. The Controller
servlet (ActionServlet) still handles dispatching, then the specific
Controller object provides the UI-independant business logic.
For more information:
http://www.jcorporate.com/components/internal/projframe.jsp?category=65
I'd be interested to hear about the size of the Turbine list; and how many
downloads you have had to date?
Sandra Cann
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COO, www.jcorporate.com
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