on 8/24/01 3:09 PM, "Rob Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I had a look at the discussion on the Jcorporate forum that Sandra
> mentioned. It is interesting, but I didn't learn a lot from it. I'm
> interested in these types of discussions since I haven't made a final
> decision as to which approach is best yet. The problem is that the products
> are both pretty large, so I guess it really comes down to comparing the bits
> you want to use.
With Turbine 2, it was quite large. We have been working to re-factor a lot
of that and make it much smaller and more compact. We are also working to
make the execution cleaner, most customizable and easier to work with as
well as understand.
turbine-3.jar is down to something like ~100k and less than 90 classes.
Pretty impressive for a fully featured framework.
> If anyone knows of other comparisons such as this and the
> one on the barracuda site, then I'd appreciate the URLs. For the moment I'm
> favoring Turbine because I prefer to use Velocity rather than JSP.
I think that is a key point right there.
> [As a side note - Sandra, you might wish to consider adding a search feature
> to your discussion groups - it can be hard to find stuff on there]
Hence the reason why mailing lists are better.
> The personality issue that Sandra mentions is important too. While I
> personally can deal with Jon's rather abrasive style of communication (I
> work with other developers all day, I'm used it!), I can understand how
> others may be intimidated and put off the whole Turbine project by that. The
> difference between the success or otherwise of a project can be influenced
> by how comfortable people are with using it, asking questions about it, etc.
Yup. The "abrasiveness" that people see is simply my lack of time to write
out nice :-) all over the place. Last month, I sent 972 emails, with the
majority being my effort to help people out, define the direction of the
bazillion projects I'm involved with, etc, how many did you send? I'm also
very opinionated. That isn't a bad thing IMHO.
If you meet me in person, you will note that I'm not abrasive at all and I'm
actually quite nice.
Good luck.
-jon
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