> > There is a thread on the Jcorporate site under Expresso User forum which
> > discusses our users' thoughts on how they compare; as well as...
>
> Please post the URI...
One thing to bear in mind is that this is from earlier this year and
probably is a little out of date.
http://www.jcorporate.com/servlet/ControllerActionServlet?controller=com.jco
rporate.eforum.controller.Browse&next=/components/eforum/jsp/messages.jsp&st
ate=browseMessages&GroupId=1&ThreadId=142
[As a side note - a search feature will be on site in near future for the
site content, forums, faq, and helpdesk]
To access eServices you must be registered as a user.
Having heard Jon's complaint about this already - I will explain the reason
although we will probably "agree to disagree" ...
1. Considering the forums and other eServices cost Jcorporate money to write
and maintain - it is very good user value that the only cost is
registering - info which is only for internal use. Registering is after all
common practice. And if registering is too much effort there is always the
opensource listserv.
2. Registering enables creating and building a tighter sense of community
building as well as being able to offer more personalization. Registering
allows us to send forum thread postings to the user's email address if they
wish this service. As time goes on it will enable us to provide more
personalized services.
3. Registering also enables the user to see Expresso in action. Expresso
drives virtually everything on site as the foundation technology to the
forum, faq, helpdesk (task lists, bugs, news, projects), econtent management
etc etc. It a live, breathing example of Expresso (we have 1.25M hits or so
onsite); and we are generally the first site to eat our own cooking when a
new release is being prepared. How about your site - what is Turbine used to
drive?
> Yea, I remember you telling me what a genius he was then as
> well...what does
> "genius" mean? Did he get a 1600 on his SAT or something?
Ah...its nice to be remembered :). Michael is very private so suffice it to
say that academically he was exceptionally outstanding. Better yet you have
only to look at his work; or talk to Expresso's contributors to confirm it.
> > Outstanding Group Technical Contribution to the Java Community
> Yawn. No offense, but those awards don't really mean much. JServ
> got lots of
> awards and we all know what a piece of foobar that was. :-)
Interesting perception you have; as I understand it that foobar is what made
Apache known in the corporate world.
We've had a number of awards: both the reader choice awards and the
Sun/JavaPro awards brought considerably more traffic. On the basis of
results I view it as indicative of the value to the community, and feedback
on our work; and certainly better than that indicated by no awards from my
way of thinking. Feedback, both positive and negative is essential to
growing as a product and organization.
> > I'd be interested to hear about the size of the Turbine list
>
> Much much smaller than yours...something like 800 total.
> Although, we don't
> spend any money or energy on advertising. How much do you spend? :-)
We don't spend any money on advertising either.
> >; and how many downloads you have had to date?
>
> I have no idea. We haven't bothered tracking it as we aren't
> trying to make
> money off of our users or justify corporate involvement. :-)
No one using our OSS projects need pay us a dime; and all eServices are
free. Contributors get even more free. I don't understand your issue with
money - it's humorous as surely you live so you do use the stuff to pay for
food, clothes, car etc. ;)
We had to write/maintain a servlet to perform this count; and while this was
an investment of time we felt it be part of good management of the project.
It is often helpful to users to be able to gauge the project's maturity and
acceptance - especially when corporate personnel need to justify their
decisions. Heck 90% or more of the people using the community OSS work are
corporate. It is also useful so that we have a gauge to know how well we
are doing. It's like taking the temperature on a given afternoon. Over time
it provides a relative indication.
On another note, I'd like to add that is very important to Jcorporate and
our user community to build on shared OSS standards projects such as Log4J,
JUnit, Bouncycastle, Xerces, Xalan, Struts and others. Struts being the
latest integration that we just completed. All things considered with what
M$ is doing it would be ideal in the interest of promoting Java in the
marketplace to look at what we are all doing and align so that we build on
each other's work and strengths rather than recreating wheels. To work
together as an industry.
In closing I'd like to add that my personal believe is that people deserve
respect, and preferably thoughfulness and consideration. Most people's lives
are busy and as busy as our own!!! No matter how busy we are, being rude is
unnecessary and undesireable! It is desireable to create a healthy, creative
communities where people can safely express their ideas, questions and
concerns; and be authentically heard. To do otherwise and the community is
diminished over time and you lose valuable information and feedback which
can be gotten from the communituy and used to improve the information on
site and the product - and provide more value.
Sandra Cann
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"Our separation from each other is an optical illusion of consciousness.
(Albert Einstein)"
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