I would love for it to be less than $1000 list price, but I doubt there is
anything that can get to that price point. With that being said, the OP
mentioned that MikroTik was out of the question, so they must have looked
at MikroTik who does has sub $1000 PE routers (with limitations). So that
brings me to the understanding that the OP is looking for something
economical (aren't we all).

In this day and age when providers are selling 1Gbps on 10G ports for sub
$400 a month (I am looking at you Cogent and HE.NET) , having an economical
PE that can aggregate multiple customers and not cost $20k seems like a
great option to me. The problem with a $20k PE is that support on it will
be at least $1k per year too!

So if not MikroTik what the the lowest cost, "carrier grade" option out
there with say 4 or more 10G ports on it? Most of the whitebox options I
have seen are full blown 48 port + options.

On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 5:15 PM, Dan Kitchen <dkitc...@razorblue.com> wrote:

> Are you really expecting a carrier grade router that does 10G for less
> than $1,000 list?
> You can’t even get a decent switch for that price.
> To address the original question - You can pick up MX80’s for £5-10k on
> the second user market and they probably meet most requirements here on a
> budget. We have a bunch of them within our core and they are ok but do
> struggle with RIB/FIB update speeds on large reconvergences (KRT queue
> stuff).
> Anything better than that and you are looking £10-20k+ (with discount) for
> Cisco or Juniper options depending on config. Remember a lot of stuff these
> days is license based so you buy the box then license the ports.
> You can go cheaper with white box kit but personally I wouldn’t risk our
> network stability with it  - customers don’t like being guinea pigs - YMMV.
> Dan Kitchen
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> On 6 Mar 2018, at 21:07, Colton Conor <colton.co...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> There have been quite a few products listed on this thread, but I think
> they all have a wide degree of costs. Can anyone detail the different
> options and their price points?
> Is there anything out there with 10G, speaks MPLS, and is less that $1000
> new without some crazy discount level that you can only get once in a blue
> moon?
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> On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 10:44 AM, James Bensley <jwbens...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> On 6 March 2018 at 12:22, Paul Bone <paul.b...@bridgefibre.co.uk> wrote:
>> > We need 4*10G Ports, multiple 1G SFP ports, IPv4 and IPv6 L3VPN, L2VPN
>> > etc…..we do not need any HQOS features on these devices.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > We use a fair few Cisco ME3600 but these only have 2*10G and are
>> > discontinued so at the moment, the CISCO ASR920 is looking the most cost
>> > effective solution but we are interested if anyone else has any ideas?
>> We
>> > have Juniper MX in the network as well, which we like, but I don’t think
>> > there is a Juniper option as cost effective as the ASR920.
>> The ASR920s are great little boxes. If you want the same mix of 1G and
>> 10G you have on the ME3600X/ME3800X devices then the 24x1G + 4x10G
>> ASR920 variants are working great for us with all the usual edge
>> features (IPv4/6, L3VPN, L2VPN P2P/P2M, BGP, QoS, Multicast, OSPF,
>> ISIS, LDP, FRR-LFA(r)).
>> A Cisco ASR9001 with the 20x1G MICs would be a good fit here too but
>> they are possibly too expensive.
>> From Juniper look at the MX105, ACX5048 and QFX5100s.
>> Cheers,
>> James.

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