Please tone down the aggression a little bit. No one is saying that freedom
of speech is not allowed here.

Yes, with Apache NetBeans, like any other Apache project, you're allowed to
do whatever the Apache license allows you to do.

Can we all get along? :-)

Now, let's focus on getting Apache NetBeans (incubating) released!



On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 4:44 PM, Ashton Hogan <>

> Hey Neil, a small suggestion, don't tell everyone that their freedom of
> speech is not allowed here and then also "welcome it" in the same
> paragraph. No one's interested in staying within your little box and
> waiting for you to give them a permission slip to have an idea.
> Non-commercial doesn't have more working options than commercial, this is
> simply false. Go browse around on github right now, see for yourself how
> great the percentage of projects there are just dead and dormant. With
> commercial software, it tends to live while it's profitable and when it's a
> bad idea or poorly run, it disappears. Survival of the fittest in action.
> You say that these ideas are "impossible" and that it's "trolling" - is it
> really? As far as I can tell, if Apache was truly open about things (which
> I know they aren't), nothing stops me from taking the netbeans source code,
> applying a commercial license and keeping all the profit for myself.
> Obviously that helps no one but it certainly proves that it's not
> impossible.
> On Wednesday, 7 March 2018, 15:36:58 GMT, Neil C Smith <
>> wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 at 15:08 José J. Rodriguez <>
> wrote:
> Anyway, it seems to me that "capitalism" has actually proven not to be a
> good role model for software development, see Windows bugs and backdoors
> vs. Linux security,
> I realise you put it in quotation marks, but can we please stop
> perpetuating this myth of the equivalence of capitalism and closed-source
> software.  I mean, Linux is mostly developed by corporations, including
> Microsoft, right?!
> NetBeans is an ASF project, it has to play by the rules here, and at the
> same time we need to make sure it thrives here.  But the only measures of
> that success are what we decide them to be.  So, constructive input to that
> seems welcome, impossible suggestions or criticism bordering on trolling,
> less so!
> Aside - whenever anyone asks why I use open-source / Linux over Windows,
> my stock response is always that I got fed up of paying for stuff that
> doesn't work properly.  Now I've got loads of other stuff that doesn't work
> properly, but at least I don't feel ripped off for it! ;-)
> Best wishes,
> Neil
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> Neil C Smith
> Artist & Technologist
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