VACList-Digest Monday, January 21, 2002 Issue 188
Today's Topics:
1. Re: yr of mfg?
2. Re: Acid washing
3. Re: Acid washing
4. A frame rust
5. Re: Solar - More Choices (2 of 3)
6. Re: Acid washing
7. Re: Acid washing
8. Re: Acid washing
9. Re:
10. Re: Potty rot
11. A/C drip pan
12. Re: A frame rust
13. Re: Potty rot
14. Fw: A/S Interior Parts Available
15. Re: A/C drip pan
16. Re: A frame rust
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Message Number: 1
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 21:18:14 -0500
From: "Wayne A. Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: yr of mfg?
Message Number: 9
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 15:13:45 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: yr of mfg?
hi folks,i have this airstream,overlander,26 ft.the guy that gave it to me
cant find the paper work on it .curious as to what year it is?ser. no
is...s-126410417. also what are those black numbers across the front for?
thanks,[EMAIL PROTECTED] in ojai,ca.
Hey Gil,
You have a California made-Internationl package-Overlander model-built in
1964-Double bed-serial# 0417.
If the numbers are 6" high they are most likely WBCCI club membership
numbers and they were red. However the plastic has probably disintigrated
from UV rays and what is left is the adhesive which attracts dirt and
appears to be black.
Later
WAM
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Message Number: 2
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:09:20 -0800
From: Webmaster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Acid washing
Pure aluminum doesn't corrode (the gray oxidation film is not same). Pure
aluminum is also soft as a baby's butt. Other elements are blended in to
aluminum to give it strength (alloying). These alloys are susceptible to
bad corrosion when exposed to the elements, therefore a thin layer (aluminum
cladding) is applied to the alloy sheet to protect the under layer from
exposure and subsequent intergranular corrosion.
Supposedly the alloying process got so refined that the alloy sheets were
not as susceptible to corrosion, and the practice (from the 1930's) was
stopped.
RJ
VintageAirstream.com
> From: "Kenneth E. Johansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:41:33 -0700
> To: Multiple recipients of VACList <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [VAC] Re: Acid washing
>
> If thats the case, whats the purpose of the ALClad? Over the years I've
> know there has been a fair amount of discussion on ALClad - I also heard
> the aluminun will shine up if the AlClad is gone - I'm a little confused.
>
> Ken Johansen
> 5359
> 59 Traveler
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Message Number: 3
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 04:03:32 +0000
From: "Frank M. 'Mitch' Hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Acid washing
At 19:09 01/20/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>Pure aluminum doesn't corrode (the gray oxidation film is not same). Pure
>aluminum is also soft as a baby's butt. Other elements are blended in to
>aluminum to give it strength (alloying). These alloys are susceptible to
>bad corrosion when exposed to the elements, therefore a thin layer (aluminum
>cladding) is applied to the alloy sheet to protect the under layer from
>exposure and subsequent intergranular corrosion.
>
>Supposedly the alloying process got so refined that the alloy sheets were
>not as susceptible to corrosion, and the practice (from the 1930's) was
>stopped.
>
>RJ
>VintageAirstream.com
. .
RJ,
Do I read this correctly, the practice of manufacturing ALCLAD aluminum has
stopped ? I would seriously question this comment if so, I just purchased
a couple of pieces of 2024 ALCLAD aluminum sheet x .032" from the local
metals supplier. Surely that is not what you meant...
TNX, 73, Mitch - WA1YKN
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Message Number: 4
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 04:38:47 -0500
From: "Red" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: A frame rust
Hello,
My 67' has rust damage on the "A" frame where the cable (the one that hooks
to the tow vehicle) runs into the frame. It appears that over the years
when it rains, snows the water follows the cable into the frame area and
sits there and rusts the steel. How do you determine how much rust is to
much? When looking into the frame with a flashlight you can see pitting on
the bottom edge. The other side of the "A" frame appears to be OK. Thanks
for any advice. Dave
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Message Number: 5
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 06:01:17 -0700 (MST)
From: "Karl F. Larsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Solar - More Choices (2 of 3)
Five years ago I put solar panel power on my 23 foot Airstream. I
bought from a local seller in Las Cruces, NM and he sold me a 75 watt
Siemans panel for $400.00 and a simple no-moving parts regulator for
$50.00. I installed the panel on top of the trailer near the back. The
wires run down along side a toilet vent and then sneak over to a closet
that has one side next to a bed.
Here I took the hot wire from the reading light and called it
Battery and connected it to the controller battery terminal. I then
connected the solar panel wires to the controller and I was done.
I'm a Ham Radio nut and always take with me several radios that
all operate from 12 volts DC. I take a shower every afternoon. With the
radio I get my internet e-mail every day.
My most favorite spot to camp has no electricty or sewage or water
provided. Electricty is from the sun. Water is from the creek. Sewage is
from the Forest Service as pit toilets. I can spend weeks there.
On Sat, 19 Jan 2002, Terry Tyler wrote:
>
> Hi Airstreamers,
> When we started getting serious about solar panels, I began keeping a
> journal and would jot down notes periodically. Here's a summary of salient
> points from several years of notes.
> Terry
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Message Number: 6
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 05:52:26 -0800
From: Webmaster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Acid washing
AlClad is still made thanks to the old aircraft guys. New aircraft and
Airstreams aren't skinned of it anymore.
RJ
> From: "Frank M. 'Mitch' Hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 04:03:32 +0000
> To: Multiple recipients of VACList <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [VAC] Re: Acid washing
>
> RJ,
>
> Do I read this correctly, the practice of manufacturing ALCLAD aluminum has
> stopped ? I would seriously question this comment if so, I just purchased
> a couple of pieces of 2024 ALCLAD aluminum sheet x .032" from the local
> metals supplier. Surely that is not what you meant...
>
> TNX, 73, Mitch - WA1YKN
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Message Number: 7
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 07:33:02 -0700
From: "Kenneth E. Johansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Acid washing
RJ
>From what you say, I would conclude that it is really not a big deal if the
ALClad is gone?? In an earlier post I was getting the sense that ALClad
was there to protect the aluminun alloy.
Ken Johansen
5358
1959 Traveler
At 05:52 AM 1/21/02 -0800, you wrote:
>AlClad is still made thanks to the old aircraft guys. New aircraft and
>Airstreams aren't skinned of it anymore.
>RJ
>
>> From: "Frank M. 'Mitch' Hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 04:03:32 +0000
>> To: Multiple recipients of VACList <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: [VAC] Re: Acid washing
>>
>
>> RJ,
>>
>> Do I read this correctly, the practice of manufacturing ALCLAD aluminum has
>> stopped ? I would seriously question this comment if so, I just purchased
>> a couple of pieces of 2024 ALCLAD aluminum sheet x .032" from the local
>> metals supplier. Surely that is not what you meant...
>>
>> TNX, 73, Mitch - WA1YKN
>
>
>
>
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Message Number: 8
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 07:31:42 -0800 (PST)
From: Toby Folwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Acid washing
in 1959 I think the alclad was there to protect the
aluminum alloy - or at least that's why they were
using it. by the late 60's Airstream changed the type
of aluminum they were using on their trailers -
probably because alclad was not necessary, and likely
because the newer "refined" alloys that RJ mentioned
were significantly cheaper to use.
Toby
--- "Kenneth E. Johansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> RJ
>
> >From what you say, I would conclude that it is
> really not a big deal if the
> ALClad is gone?? In an earlier post I was getting
> the sense that ALClad
> was there to protect the aluminun alloy.
=====
"The apple grows so bright and high,
And ends its days in apple pie." - s. hoffenstein
http://www.tobyfolwick.com
Minneapolis, MN
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Message Number: 9
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:46:07 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re:
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Ken. Generally speaking, any Airstream trailer or motorhome that has been
acid washed, is a never ending water leaker.
The acid gets under the rivet heads and usually not rinsed properly. For that
matter, a steam cleaner does not do a good job of rinsing. The net results,
"over time", is the acid will repeatedly reactivate and will continue to eat
away at the aluminum, "underneath" the rivet heads.
Purchasing such a unit, with my past 36 years experience of observation,
would be
risking, "will it or will it not" have future water leaks. The usual answer,
is "yes."
Andy
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Ken. Generally speaking, any Airstream trailer or motorhome that has been acid washed,
is a never ending water leaker.<BR>
The acid gets under the rivet heads and usually not rinsed properly. For that matter,
a steam cleaner does not do a good job of rinsing. The net results, "over time", is
the acid will repeatedly reactivate and will continue to eat away at the aluminum,
"uPurchasing such a unit, with my past 36 years experience of observation, would be
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Message Number: 10
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:03:23 -0600
From: "Raymond Pillar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Potty rot
Hi VACer's
Although I've posted to the list before it's been awhile. I'm in the process
of refurbishing a '66 Safari. The entire rear floor has been replaced. I
searched all the archives but can find a good description of the pan that
holds the black tank. Mine is completely rusted and can't ascertain where
the main members, angle iron, are supposed to be. Does anyone have photos or
is there anyone in the Chicago land area that I could visit it would be
appreciated.
Thanks
Ray Pillar
1966 Safari
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Message Number: 11
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:05:43 -0600
From: "Raymond Pillar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: A/C drip pan
Hi,
I just bought a Coleman 8333 air conditioner for my 66 Safari, sale at
Camper World, they said I should contact Air Stream about getting a drip pan
for the unit. I just received the e-mail back from A/S and they said that
they only carry pans for another brand. Does anyone know if a pan could be
fabricated? If so what are the dimensions.
Thanks
WBCC 6514
Ray Pillar
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Message Number: 12
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:21:55 -0500
From: Jim Dunmyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A frame rust
Dave,
The 'A' frame on our 1968 GT was rusted in exactly that manner; I
discovered it when trying to tap holes for the little ball thingy for
the anti-sway device.
To find out how far back the rust damage went, I simply cut off the 'A'
frame about 4" ahead of the trailer body. Although I was prepared to go
back as far as I had to to fix it, the frame looked pretty good at that
point. So, we fabricated a replacement, including a new hitch from
Northern Tool & Equipment (looked almost exactly like the old one), and
welded it on.
Someone on this list showed pictures of their trailer where the 'A'
frame had broken. No doubt due to the interior rust, along with the
pressure from the WD bars.
<<Jim>>
Red wrote:
> Hello,
> My 67' has rust damage on the "A" frame where the cable (the one that hooks
> to the tow vehicle) runs into the frame. It appears that over the years
> when it rains, snows the water follows the cable into the frame area and
> sits there and rusts the steel. How do you determine how much rust is to
> much? When looking into the frame with a flashlight you can see pitting on
> the bottom edge. The other side of the "A" frame appears to be OK. Thanks
> for any advice. Dave
>
>
>
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Message Number: 13
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:37:28 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Potty rot
Ray. Any sheetmetal shop can fabricate a pan for the holding tank. All the
drawings for the vintage items are gone. Andy
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Message Number: 14
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:35:25 -0500
From: "James Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Fw: A/S Interior Parts Available
I've taken the liberty of forwarding Peter's mail to this list since there
may be some interest from vintage owners.
Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind
----- Original Message -----
From: "peter count" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 11:49
Subject: Re: [A/S] Digest Number 856
> Hi - I have a lot of interior stuff from a 31'1973 international ,front
> lounge, entertainment center , tambours, curtains, room dividers, trim,
> panels, galley overhead w/ tambors, new 50 amp univolt etc. etc. pics
> available. Anyone interested?? Oh , also a really nice oak child's bed
> which was built to replace the rear bedroom bed. Thanks .....Peter
>
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Message Number: 15
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:46:40 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: A/C drip pan
Ray. The drip pan must match the Air Conditioner that you purchased. The AC
must fit totally within that pan. Having one made from plastic is ideal, in
that one from sheetmetal, even galvanized, will show oxidation, in time.
Andy
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Message Number: 16
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 15:31:41 -0600
From: lefty frizzell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A frame rust
Hey, Jim....thank God for Northern Tool & Equipment...when I die I wanna
be buried on the property. I've spent so much at that place, over the
years, that I feel I should own a 6x4 piece of the back parking lot.
Lefty Frizzell
http://home.earthlink.net/~leftyfrizzell
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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
Jim Dunmyer
Sent: 21 January 02 11:22
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Subject: [VAC] Re: A frame rust
Dave,
ncluding a new hitch from
Northern Tool & Equipment (looked almost exactly like the old one), and
welded it on.
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