Some believe that the soul comes into being when the human egg is fertilized; aka the moment of conception. In this way of thinking, with DNA as the software of the soul, the human DNA has the potential to form a complete person, but at the time of conception no organ is yet formed to contain the soul. With current technology, any cell in the body can be transformed into a omnipotent cell that can produce a human. So human spiritual characteristic is inherent in any DNA present in the human body. If this is true, do you commit murder when you cut your hair or trim your finger nails? If a mouse is given flawed disease carrying human DNA to simulate human disease or a goat is given human genes to produce human insulin, have these animals become human with a soul. If a geneticist copies human DNA, and puts it into a animal cell, does the animal become human? What parts of human DNA define the soul? Please extend your theology into the domain of genetic manipulation in your quest to define the soul.
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Jojo Jaro <jth...@hotmail.com> wrote: > ** > You've made my point better than I. For when you are studying the ones > and zeros wherever they may persist, you are in fact studying the > software. The ones and zeros are not hardware, they're software. > > Much like the soul. We can spend a hundred lifetimes studying neuron > chemical reactions, electrical impulses, cellular structure of brain cells > and other psychological theories and mumbo-jumbo; we will never understand > how Human consciousness works. To understand the human soul, one needs to > understand its creator. Much like studying the software requires an > understanding of Microsoft Software Engineer's design methods and > techniques, in fact, a understanding of the man himself. > > Tell me, can you reverse engineer the entire windows operating system from > the ones and zeros of machine code? Doesn't understanding windows require > understanding of its design at a higher level? not at the machine code > level? possibly by interviewing the designer and studying his work? Why > would one think he can understand the human soul by studying the individual > ones and zeros of the neurons? > > You see, this issue goes deeper than just discussions about the human > soul. This issue involves our humanistic prederilection to avoid > acknowledging the creator. We try our best to understand ourselves without > studying the human blueprint. Such efforts are always doom to fail, much > like the fallacies of Darwinian Evolution. > > > > Jojo > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Patrick Ellul <ellulpatr...@gmail.com> > *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com > *Sent:* Thursday, November 01, 2012 1:43 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:The Quantum Soul? > > If I studied close enough the inside of a computer that has MS Windows > installed on it, without ever switching it on, I can still see and > understand the expected behaviour. The software program is persisted as > ones and zeros on a memory device. > > On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Jojo Jaro <jth...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> Any psychological/psychiatric/**philosophical attempt to understand the >> soul is doom to failure from the onset. >> >> Let says you're a hardware/ASIC/Electronics/IC engineer who designed the >> Pentuim chip. Without understanding of the software, can you discern the >> operation of a PC from your understanding of the >> hardware/Chips/IC/CPU/GPU/etc? At best, you understanding would be >> severely incomplete and faulty. Software is the intangible thing that >> controls the behavior of the computer. Software controls the hardware. >> >> On the same token, experts in Psychology/Psychiatry/** >> Philosophy/Sociology/Humanism/**etc, can never hope to completely >> understand the Human Soul. It is that intangible entity - the soul, that >> controls the hardware consisting of your brain cells/neurons, etc. The >> Software soul is what needs to be understood for us to understand the >> behavior of man. You need to study the soul, not the brain. The brain is >> simply a mechanism that the soul controls much like the CPU chip is the >> mechanism that MS Windows controls. The analogy is apt and accurate. >> >> Hence, one is wasting their time trying to study all the ideas of these >> philosophers/psychologists/**psychiatrists/etc. They are at best >> severely incomplete, at worst gravely misleading. >> >> If you want to understand the spiritual soul, go to the one who wrote the >> software soul. Study his book - the Bible to have a better understanding >> of human behavior. >> >> >> Jojo >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Blanton" <hohlr...@gmail.com> >> To: <vortex-l@eskimo.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 10:15 PM >> Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Quantum Soul? >> >> >> >> I think Roger Penrose and Stuart Hameroff have the best explanation of >>> consciousness to date. It's called Orchestrated Objective Reduction, >>> or Orch-OR. The two actually developed the idea separately, Sir >>> Penrose being a physicist and Hameroff being a physician who >>> specialized in anesthesia and cancer research. Roger was seeking a >>> model of the brain that did not require computation. Hameroff wanted >>> to know how anesthesia worked and where the conscious went when under. >>> Penrose theorizes that spacetime is granular at the size of the >>> Planck length and that quantum superposition is linked to the >>> curvature. Orchestrated Reduction is the collapse of the >>> superposition. >>> >>> Hameroff brought in the neuron microtubles which provide the >>> structure. He sees a synchronous oscillation in neural MT can >>> influence other neurons. Together they see these electrons as a sea >>> embedded in the geometry of spacetime. >>> >>> Needless to say, they have many critics. :-) >>> >>> >>> >> > > > -- > Patrick > > www.tRacePerfect.com > The daily puzzle everyone can finish but not everyone can perfect! > The quickest puzzle ever! > >
